Get the Epic now? - Epic 4G General

I know, I may be crazy but I'm thinking about swapping my EVO for an Epic 4G now. It'd be an even swap, so I wouldn't have to pay or anything. I know other Galaxy phones are going to come out, and maybe even soon, but I'd imagine they would cost more with no contract and my upgrade isn't due until August anyway.
I take a lot of photos and videos on my phone and I've come to realize that the EVO just doesn't do a great job of videos, it's Ok when it comes to photos.
So I have a few questions. Is the leaked froyo update good enough to run as a ROM with EVERYTHING working? Being on EVO 2.2 since August, pretty much can't go back to 2.1. Do you think Samsung will release 2.2 officially soon? And how is the camera for stills and videos?

While I can't comment on if official froyo is coming soon I can say that the current dk28 leaks are stable daily drivers. I've run all of the froyo leaks and this is much more stable and easily a daily driver. You would have no issues immediately going to froyo. The epic is a great phone and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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yes, yes, and the camera is better than the evo. you will be addicted to the screen and the speed too. i know, had both. enjoy

Epic specs
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.

Who knows when the official froyo update will come, but DK28 worked well for me so I'm not too worried about it. No problems at all. I think the camera is excellent for a phone. A few sites have threads full of examples, like this one: http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/32332-epic-photography.html The video is good enough to replace my little HD digital camcorder. It's obviously not going to be as good as a real HD camcorder, but it's more than adequete for home movies and whatnot.

picture quality is more about the lens than megapixels. i don't know what it is about htc's cameras but they all pretty much suck. i haven't seen a phone take better pictures than the epic does

I recently jumped from the Evo to the Epic as well and am glad I did. It will be at least summer before any new "super phones" appear on Sprint (my guess) and you will be much happier with the Epic's speed while you wait for your next phone.
Epic beats the Evo in every way except GPS which is usable but slower/less accurate on Epic.
Edit: I found the Epic's camera to be better than the Evo - make sure you go into the settings and turn on "anti-shake" right away as it helps a lot.

nikon120 said:
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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well, just do what i did, me and my buddy(with evo) sent 3 pictures we took from the same street we were on , to a email, then compared them right next to each other(he was skeptical like you), believe me when i tell you that the epic was better. try it

v3rk said:
picture quality is more about the lens than megapixels. i don't know what it is about htc's cameras but they all pretty much suck. i haven't seen a phone take better pictures than the epic does
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Yeah, megapixels don't really say much about the quality of the photos. It's good for marketing, though.

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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One would Assume that because 8mp is a bigger # then 5mp its automatically better right? Wrong, and that's why i don't just assume things, i have 2 see them both 4 myself... The Epic camera takes better quality photos then the EVO Period.
I am by no means a photographer but this is a picture taken by me on a hunting trip this past October in Arizona, Note the quality of THIS 5mp Camera

ericizzy1 said:
well, just do what i did, me and my buddy(with evo) sent 3 pictures we took from the same street we were on , to a email, then compared them right next to each other(he was skeptical like you), believe me when i tell you that the epic was better. try it
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i think i will have the epic for a day or so before i get rid of the EVO, so I do plan on doing this.

I am in a similar position.
I am STILL using a TP2, and was waiting for the Shift 4G's release to make a decision.
I don't know whether to let my company both activate a line and buy an Epic for me now.
Or, continue paying for my personal TP2 bill out of my own pocket and wait for the new dual cores before accepting the line and phone from my company.
Any advice ???

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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Compare a kodak 8 mp to a nikon 5 mp and you'll see why higher mp are not an indication of a better camera.
From a phone

Epic uses a cmos sensor similar or same as on Iphone 4. Also known to have better video and picture image quality than EVO, especially under low light conditions which EVO's sensor struggles at.
Article - http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...DROID-X---the-camera-comparison_id2532/page/7
Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGKdgTuhpS0
Not trying to be a fanboy but Iphone 4's camera and screen are the kings ATM and the 5mp vs. 8mp debate is irrelevant.
FYI... with the upcoming release of HTC Swift, Epic just dropped -$50.

Some details of a soon to be announced Galaxy S successor:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-mobile-boss-confirms-galaxy-s-successor-galaxy-tab-road/

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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Wow, your lack of knowledge is clearly evident here just by seeing you point to megapixels vs quality of sensor (no offense ). Anyone who knows both the Evo and Epic will tell you that the Epic's 5MP sensor takes BETTER pictures than the Evo's 8MP sensor.
Has little to do with teh megapizzellss but rather the quality of the sensor. Also anyone who knows about cameras will tell you the same as well.

Get the Epic
I just replaced my EVO with an Epic and have never been happier.
The Screen just feels awesome and the keyboard is wicked.
It also is wayyy faster but I will say one thing. Coming from the Evo, the Epic and Evo have the same Camera quality. Epic FFC wins because it performs better in low light conditions, but the rear camera quality is about the same.

From what I've read online in comparison tests, the Evo pics are rated lower than the Epic. I don't remember but I think the Epic uses better hardware

Well you may be right, but from my personal point of view..... their cameras' are the same

To add on to others comments about camera quality if your camera has a crappy white balance etc. it just doesn't matter. Megapixels only matter anyway if you intend to make large prints or do some serious editing both of which I doubt you would use an phone to take pictures for.
My point is sensor quality more important than snazzy numbers.

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HTC Evo 4G And Samsung Epic 4G Camera Comparison

ok i took three shots, one at midday with the sun fully beaming, one at the time where the sun was going down and than finally one at night. each was a picture of the same thing (my work/metro health hospital) and in the same parking spot. i will label above the picture what time of the day it was as well as what phone captured it. without further ado, here we go! (PS: you can easily tell which one is the winner just by graininess)
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Epic Night (haha that sounds like a title of a get laid movie :smile: )
evo definately wins this.. Im impressed. but the epic isnt bad.. definately not as sharp as the evo but that could be because of the 3mp difference in the cameras. But maybe its me but i feel like the epic camera takes a better night shot
I think the Epic looks better... not sure what ^ this guy is thinking, but the Epic clearly looks more realistic and has a better night shot.
infamousjax said:
I think the Epic looks better... not sure what ^ this guy is thinking, but the Epic clearly looks more realistic and has a better night shot.
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Oh God yes. The Epic looks sooooo much more natural. You can see the famous over saturation going on in the EVO pictures. Those blues look so fake. I would say they are a tie at night... I don't like either of them there.
Did u really sit in your car all day and take pictures with your phones lol?
You know what, I today was offered a trade. A trade for the evo again, what held me back was the amazing and natural feel the EPIC provides. The EVO IS over saturated and i am yet to see a video as good as the epic, and yes this is with the 3mp less, so what an amazing feat from samsung! I love how the ceo stated, its all in the software and how its used.
I am still sitting on debate, why i don't know maybe the 4.3 inch screen. Yet, this 4.0 is so much better. Ah..
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I concur. The EVO looks completely over-saturated. Anyone who knows photography or picture dynamics can tell you that the pictures comparisons above prove that the Epic takes more natural looking pictures. All it is is an over-compensation on the part of HTC to attempt to balance out the quality of their almost always horrible cameras. And for the record; More megapixels does not always mean a better picture.
+1 for the Epic's camera.
jok3sta said:
evo definately wins this.. Im impressed. but the epic isnt bad.. definately not as sharp as the evo but that could be because of the 3mp difference in the cameras. But maybe its me but i feel like the epic camera takes a better night shot
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+1 except for night shot.
In that shot EVO looks to give more detail on building windows etc catching night refection light better
I've compared both as well and the epic pics are more real and close 2 life like colors.
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Actually the night shot is definitely better on the Epic..it is true that you can see more stuff in the EVO picture...but notice the weird unnatural brightness...also look at the closer lamp post one epic you can see the lens flare and light as it should be..on EVO its completely bland with no light depth...
Whats happening is Epic is achieving closer blacks as EVO is trying to compensate visualization by highlighting everything..
Look at the mirror glass...notice in the epic the rim stays the same color in all the pics, on the night pic the rim completely changes color..not to mention the epic shows an actual reflection there..unlike the EVO which completely fails due to the highlighting.
On the other pics yes, EVO seems to have more detail..it may be due to he 3 mp or it may be due to Epic compressing the image. The colors though on EVO are WAY off though...
I've owned both the Epic and Evo. In my opinion, the Evo was worthless as a camera. The quality is was inconsistent and the flash blew out the quality.
The Epic on the other hand is one of the better cameras I've seen on a phone. I used the Panoramic feature on it last weekend and it worked great. Definitely more feature rich in terms of camera, and the quality seems to be more consistent.
Guys, just because you have more MP does not mean the picture will be better quality. Just bigger. And I challenge you to take 720p video with the two.... the Epic will blow your minds. The EVO has horrible compression and going from low to high light the evo stays with the lower frame rate where the epic adjusts. Plain and simple the Epic destroys the evo in video.
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Guys, just because you have more MP does not mean the picture will be better quality. Just bigger. And I challenge you to take 720p video with the two.... the Epic will blow your minds. The EVO has horrible compression and going from low to high light the evo stays with the lower frame rate where the epic adjusts. Plain and simple the Epic destroys the evo in video.
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i have to weigh in on this topic. I am a big user of phone cameras. I have toyed with photography for over a decade and have been looking for a decent camera phone for a long time. That is why i still kept an LG Renior around. I have my wife use it even though she doesn't use the camera. But when i need a good photo, i just ask for her phone.
Anyhow, i had the Evo and found that I could only get so so pictures with it. Mostly it had to do with software. On the Galaxy S I was able to get great photos. It rivals the Renoir. I know none of these phones have a camera worth ditching my canon's for, but still nice to have around when i need it. The guy who took these photos should set both to night mode. And the ISO's to the lowest possible setting. When i take galaxy photos at night at 100 ISO, they are not grainy. your subject needs to be still, but in those photos, the subject was static.
To me, i'd rate the galaxy about an 8 as far as camera phones go. I'd rate the EVO a 5.
Does the epic have night mode? If so the night shot should have looked better.
Whosdaman said:
Did u really sit in your car all day and take pictures with your phones lol?
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hahaha i was on breaks at work and that is bethind the building in a parking spot where i go for a smoke.... just went for my lunch and 2 breaks and snapped a photo while doing so on all three.
I went and swapped out the Evo for an Epic recently. So this isn't biased in any way since I do have the Epic, but the Evo takes some amazing photos. 90% or better are not oversaturated. There are certain photos that do feel bluish, but i took over 300 - 400 photos of my baby girl and the photos look crystal clear with very realistic color. The photos rival those of my 10 Megapixel DSL camera. I have to give this to the Evo. I haven't taken nearly as many photos with the Epic yet, but the 3 MP makes a huge difference on the photos. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this, but I can't justify 3 MP less and hundreds of photos that prove me otherwise, just to feel better about the epic. I love this phone anyways so I'm not complaining, but that is the one thing the Evo just wins in my opinion and I personally can't argue it.
Six-Deuce said:
The photos rival those of my 10 Megapixel DSL camera. I have to give this to the Evo. I haven't taken nearly as many photos with the Epic yet, but the 3 MP makes a huge difference on the photos.
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you mean dslr? there is no way the evo or any cellphone comes even close to the quality of a dslr, and if you knew anything about photography, you would know that more megapixels (more often than not) does not equate to better picture quality.
Six-Deuce said:
I went and swapped out the Evo for an Epic recently. So this isn't biased in any way since I do have the Epic, but the Evo takes some amazing photos. 90% or better are not oversaturated. There are certain photos that do feel bluish, but i took over 300 - 400 photos of my baby girl and the photos look crystal clear with very realistic color. The photos rival those of my 10 Megapixel DSL camera. I have to give this to the Evo. I haven't taken nearly as many photos with the Epic yet, but the 3 MP makes a huge difference on the photos. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this, but I can't justify 3 MP less and hundreds of photos that prove me otherwise, just to feel better about the epic. I love this phone anyways so I'm not complaining, but that is the one thing the Evo just wins in my opinion and I personally can't argue it.
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You either have a crappy dSLR, smoking something great, or have bad taste.
jbmn said:
I've owned both the Epic and Evo. In my opinion, the Evo was worthless as a camera. The quality is was inconsistent and the flash blew out the quality.
The Epic on the other hand is one of the better cameras I've seen on a phone. I used the Panoramic feature on it last weekend and it worked great. Definitely more feature rich in terms of camera, and the quality seems to be more consistent.
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Yeah I totally agree.. I have both phones also.. I'm on the epic only because of the camera! soo much better.
I gotta say the evo looks better in those pics.
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Xoom vs XXX Camera Comparison thread. Warning 56k ;-)

Hey guys,
Im composing this thread to include as the title states, pictures taken from the Xoom's camera VS pictures taken from other devices (IE. other tabs, phones or cameras.) With that i'll be posting pictures taken from my Xoom 5MP, Droid Incredible 8MP, and FujiFilm Finepix S1500 10MP. WIth that, all devices settings will be on auto detect, set to default. This will be ongoing and others are welcome to join in, just post the specs of your other devices to form a baseline and keep images no bigger than 1024x768.
As some had stated earlier in other posts, the few second review of the photo taken on the Xoom does not do the image justice at all. Its not until its transfered to desktop that I can see the true detail.
XOOM:
With Flash:
Without Flash:
DROID INCREDIBLE:
With Flash:
Without Flash:
Landscape Shots with Xoom during day:
The only thing im disappointed in here is the pixelation on the zoomed in shots here. Otherwise they turned out great. Wasn't able to snap any comparison shots with the Incredible here but ill try tomorrow.
Portrait shot outside around 10am with sun to back:
Xoom:
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FujiFilm:
Portrait shot inside around 11am with only true sunlight:
Xoom:
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FujiFilm
More to come
Thanks! The XOOM camera looks surprisingly good, except for that zoomed in shot.
BTW,
lol @ PUPU st.
arrtoodeetoo said:
Thanks! The XOOM camera looks surprisingly good, except for that zoomed in shot.
BTW,
lol @ PUPU st.
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Thanks, yeah the zoom on the Xoom is a bit disappointing but im hoping to get some video as well although I don't have an HD device to compare and also front camera as well.. One thing I wish was included is the ISO settings. I love that on my Incredible I can turn the ISO up and down depending on what im shooting.
And thanks for noticing the street hah
Placeholder for some more comparison shots tomorrow.
I am very disappointed in the Xoom's camera. I scheduled a photo shoot yesterday, and rather than using my Nikon D700 with 24-70 2.8 Nikkor Lens, I figured, hey, my tablet computer has a camera on it, I'll just use that.
Sorry, but that tiny little chip on the back of my tablet just can't keep up with my dSLR.
Seriously, other than annoying friends/family by secretly videotaping them drunk while you innocently play on your tablet, what's the purpose of the back camera?
Come to think of it... that is an excellent reason to have a camera there.
goodfellaslxa said:
I am very disappointed in the Xoom's camera. I scheduled a photo shoot yesterday, and rather than using my Nikon D700 with 24-70 2.8 Nikkor Lens, I figured, hey, my tablet computer has a camera on it, I'll just use that.
Sorry, but that tiny little chip on the back of my tablet just can't keep up with my dSLR.
Seriously, other than annoying friends/family by secretly videotaping them drunk while you innocently play on your tablet, what's the purpose of the back camera?
Come to think of it... that is an excellent reason to have a camera there.
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You actually thought it would compete with your DSLR. It's mot supposed to be a $2000 worth quality camera.
And here is a GS comparison
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pupu+...6,0.015621&z=17&panoid=rWA2VTEUIniuAwXr0b7jhQ
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lol @ PUPU st.
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Haha, my first thoughts when I saw the pics. *giggle snort*
Slightly disappointed in the quality of the Xoom shots, but TBH wasn't expecting much. I do want to play with the 720p video though....
clearly my Sharp phone takes the shot better than your fuji camera^^
those japanese are just carzy about the camera on the phone, and sadly android phone makers are not
Looks like hawaii, Oahu?
if a 500MP camera can take good photos, what is the point of DSLR? LOL
or why would anyone buy a camera in the 1st place, some phones even have 12MP camera, just buy that.
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Looks like hawaii, Oahu?
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St, Ewa Beach, Honolulu, Hawaii
Click on my google link above and you can see it in street view.
dota-lina said:
if a 500MP camera can take good photos, what is the point of DSLR? LOL
or why would anyone buy a camera in the 1st place, some phones even have 12MP camera, just buy that.
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The resolution a digital camera does not necessarily indicate the picture quality. For example a 6mp DSLR is far superior to a 12mp point and shoot or a phone camera.
Trav29 said:
You actually thought it would compete with your DSLR. It's mot supposed to be a $2000 worth quality camera.
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Yes, I actually thought a little chip slapped on the back of an $800 tablet could compete with a $4k camera rig. Why couldn't it?
I'm also dissapointed that my Honda got beaten by a Ferrari on the interstate yesterday.
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goodfellaslxa said:
Yes, I actually thought a little chip slapped on the back of an $800 tablet could compete with a $4k camera rig. Why couldn't it?
I'm also dissapointed that my Honda got beaten by a Ferrari on the interstate yesterday.
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you need to put more go fast stickers on your honda then.
Thank you for this comparison. I have a Xoom and a Droid 1. I definitely can tell a quality difference with the Xoom. It is much better especially with flash.
Just visited a Carphone Warehouse store (UK) and noticed they have a plethora of tablets on display. 1 that caught my attention was the Asus Transformer, since I was considering getting this or the Xoom, but I went for the Xoom instead.
So I had a go at the Transformer (minus the keyboard), performance felt pretty much the same as Xoom... until I played with its camera... Good grief that thing's camera is miles better than the Xoom's. It's so clear, sharp, and responsive, actually surprised me. Then I quickly went to play with the Xoom, because I don't remember my Xoom has thos qualities... and yep... blurry, slower, quality like 1 MPx camera... yuck. I never realized how bad the Xoom camera is compared to a cheaper Tegra 2 tablet! Do you think Moto/Google can improve Xoom's camera by soft update? Or is Xoom's camera hardware is just utter crap?
Some comments from a serious photographer...
You will find much better results if you export the Xoom pics to a proper PC and use a good photo editing application to process. I use Photoshop CS5 and use some sharpening and other parameter adjustments to get very good results. The zoom function of the camera is an electronic zoom and will never be as good as just getting closer. Also, just look at the size of the camera lens and compare it to your point-and-shoot or DSLR. It will never get as good pictures as a dedicated camera.
Added: The camera apps on the Xoom cannot compete with a proper application on a PC or Mac to achieve good pictures
ShadowFlare said:
Just visited a Carphone Warehouse store (UK) and noticed they have a plethora of tablets on display. 1 that caught my attention was the Asus Transformer, since I was considering getting this or the Xoom, but I went for the Xoom instead.
So I had a go at the Transformer (minus the keyboard), performance felt pretty much the same as Xoom... until I played with its camera... Good grief that thing's camera is miles better than the Xoom's. It's so clear, sharp, and responsive, actually surprised me. Then I quickly went to play with the Xoom, because I don't remember my Xoom has thos qualities... and yep... blurry, slower, quality like 1 MPx camera... yuck. I never realized how bad the Xoom camera is compared to a cheaper Tegra 2 tablet! Do you think Moto/Google can improve Xoom's camera by soft update? Or is Xoom's camera hardware is just utter crap?
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Quality looks great to me. Can read the beer menu in the background ffs, what more do you want?
Quick thought...
The first photos I took with my Xoom looked soft and blurry. Cleaned the lens (full of fingerprints) and from then on the photos were sharp.

Camera comparison, iPhone 4S is the best

I am not happy either but it seems that 4S is really the best that you can buy in mobile phone when it comes to camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php
Yep, they did it again. I wonder why OEMs don't try to make better cameras with good lenses on Android devices...
5m is good enough for me
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Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.
Not so fast.. They used one daylight and one night shot. The difference between the 4S and the GS2 was pretty small, with the GS2 winning some of the measures. It depends on priorities. For me the GS2 just takes it actually.
Video on the GS2 can be modified to have higher bit rates than the 4S, and it does improve the video.
I would too like to see better camera improvement on future generation phones. Yes, phones aren't dedicated cameras and won't give the same quality as one, but using your phone as a camera is just so convenient, especially carrying around a thin phone compared to a bulky camera. Would like to see a camera that snaps quick like the Galaxy Nexus with a better lens/sensor.
Absolute BULL****!
Hands down iphone4s offers best video recording?
If you prefer un-natural colours, poor low light footage and an 'extremely choppy video- when moving sideways....
Are they for real?
Funded by apple?
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this is BS gsmarena has already done a test and they said the gs2 was far superior so were do they get this crap from
PC World did a much more thorough comparison:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/241955-2/smartphone_camera_battle_iphone_4s_vs_the_android_elite.html
Great cameras on both phones!
damirbusic said:
Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.
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Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.
Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.
I have S2 and 4s, but I have to say 4s is better (for me) when taking a pic..
such as capture speed, exposure, and color..
similar but better, how should I say that
but when it comes to video recording S2 rocks
I'll post both photos from S2 and 4s later..
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Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.
Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.
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Comparing your arc to your friend's iPhone 4S does not constitute a proper test. Post picture comparisons here and let us judge for ourselves, because unless you do so, your argument is void and you come off as a simple fanboy. I mean you are arguing that the tests done by review sites are completely full of ****, yet fail to provide any evidence to prove your point other than your word. So in your opinion, in whom do you think we have more faith: you, or the tech sites that have years of experience and none of the obvious bias?
Looking at comparison shots across multiple review sites that have the know-how on how to take a proper photograph, I have yet to see a single shot taken with the Xperia Arc that would immediately crown its camera the king of those found in mobile phones. Its camera is good, but far from the best. The N8 is the clear winner there.
Judge for yourself(arc s left and iPhone 4s right):
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Have to give that one to the 4S. The Arc looks unfocused (way less texture detail in the walls).
iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.
Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.
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iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.
Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.
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The PC World test I linked to did put the SGS2 ahead of the iPhone 4S, but the pictures clearly speak for themselves; the camera in the iPhone 4S is much better.
I can't figure why anyone even bothers doing pointless amateur comparisons, I only can guess that flaming and clicks...
When it comes to photo, there's usually more than meets the eye that should be taken in consideration when considering a shoot-out:
1. Details about the camera: the sensor itself ( circuitry and pixel pattern/array),pixel density on the sensor, optics ( CZ vs plastic)
2. Details about the camera usage specs- firmware dependent: init time, focusing interval, focus points, capture response time, ISO values-what values are useable, dynamic range, shutter speeds.
MAYBE most important
3. OS-dependent details: jpeg/compression algorithm, color rendering algorithm, noise reduction algorithm, ...
Give me a RAW file from any sensor and I can make the photo better looking than anything.
Given that fact they are making a review about cameras, though cell phones cameras, they should have the decency to ask someone that has written a review about cameras.
It's like writing about wines and declaring one to be the best solely by the time and volume it took to get the girl into the bed.
This is interesting. I would like to have a phone with the perfect camera. Such a thing doesn't exist. So I have chosen the phone that is best all around.
If all I wanted was a great camera and didn't care about any other features I would take what my wife has, a Nokia N8.
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I have both the phone. The quality and video recording is indeed better on the iPhone 4S from what I can see in my eyes.
But c'mon guys? When did the S2 come out? You really gonna think 'Apple' won't be spying or checking up on competitors to release something 'atleast' better during iPhone 4S production?
These reviews are easilly manipulated.
PC world gave a much better non biased review and it puts the SGS2 above the Iphone 4s in the camera department.
One thing is sure is that the SGS2 gives better night shots then the Iphone 4S.....The Iphone 4S gives a brighter picture but loose a lot of details.
I've hated phones that use noise reduction/edge sharping to scrub out the detail and replace it with digital artifacts. Whats wrong with grain.
So from that stand point I love what Apple is doing with their unit. Detail isn't something you can get back once its lost.

GSM Arena One vs S4

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
A must read
AW: GSM Arena One vs S4
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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Yeah it did not make my decision easier, I want them both after reading it
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
I saw somewhere in local forums that S4's camera is very bad. But GSMarena are in fact saying otherwise.
it's clearly biased in a lot of areas
especially with this BS "it couldnt care less about it looks in a way its making a stronger statement than it's competitor"
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
also the screen and battery tests are both very flawed
he did not mention the power saver or brightness during the battery tests (actually brightness)
as for the screen, nothing makes sense, the One has a brighter screen and better view angles, nearly every other review said so
i am willing to accept the ultra pixel comparison, if Samsung indeed is giving a proper 13MP sensor without noise or low light issues than it will definitely destroy the HTC One camera but i have to say they did not do a real low light test
but yes yes if i have to chose i would go for the camera on the S4, its still better than than the big sacrifice in detail
i'm pleased OIS really works on the One and disappointed by the extremely narrow field of view on the S4
Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance.
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What.
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What.
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but dont miss this, it means the s4 is using a slow shutter speed in low light:
Samsung Galaxy S4. Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance. You'll have to snap several photos to make sure you have a good one, but the end result will be better than what the HTC One produces. The Galaxy S4 has a slight advantage in low-light video too.
The HTC One is more reliable - thanks to its OIS you can snap just one photo and know it will be about as good as it gets. But the camera's performance is simply nothing to write home about, and there are cases when OIS just isn't helping at all (when shooting moving subjects).
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What.
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Some blogs consider evening light as "low light" - then traditional cameras still take better pics. Ultrapixels shine when "low light" means night in a city or a pub.
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a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
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Actually it's a draw in the hardware area, which the S4 scores only because of its sd slot and removable battery. I think that's a fair judgement.
As to pure design quote :
From a pure design standpoint, the HTC One wipes the floor with the Samsung Galaxy S4.
Brac20 said:
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
My only complaint with this review is what they considered low light.
It was still enough light for my OG EVO to capture a decent picture.
Other than that very detailed comparison.
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yea they missed the low light point completely
the area the S4 wins is brightness and not light capture, you can easily adjust this on the HTC One using the settings
but like i said i personally would go with a camera like on the S4 but it's not fair to say to claim we are not winning anything at all in low light
we saw tons of samples to prove this already
and most important shutter speed remains the most important area in a smartphone camera, unless you like repeating your photos
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
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Sorry but i disagree. In one handed use i can reach all points on a 4.7 inch screen but not on a 5 inch. So for me the overall unit size isn't the key. Also The One has vastly superior sound so is worth the extra size.
But this is exactly what I mean. It is a completely subjective decision, so putting it in pros and cons in an objective review is biased.
and yes the sound, they say its slightly better but that is also untrue, its vastly as confirmed by many reviews
The worst review I ever seen on photo part. Whatever photo once upscale, it will be bad in quality.
Only GSMArena reviewer will ever upscale the photo size for comparison, fail!
Beside this, the review was obvious biase in certain part.
by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
If you think this could be a reliable test, take a look at this...
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+47 minutes equals -15 hours??
hamdir said:
by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
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Well, apparently HTC is working on a software update to help with the camera "issues" that the One is having. I'll withhold judgement on the camera until that is put out and we have time to see how it affects camera performance.
I think the GSMArena takes manipulation of the mind to the level an art (like others do too), the way they twist some characterstics to seem like advantages and then go completely the other way around when it comes to others. Even when they give high praise to a phone's characteristic they can make it so that you feel like the other one is even better. It is an art which is played mostly at an subconscious level.
In the end it's not a conspiracy, it is problably just a need for good web traffic=money and they can make it so by praising the dominant company. There are probably dozens of millions of Samsung users and it is better to make them think and be at ease with the Samsung product they have chosen, being gratified with the fact that they are on the best side - its just a mind calming factor + gets your site lots of mouse clicks.
S4 is a beast but for me the qualities i seek in a phone put the HTC One on top and the S4 problably not even second.
PS: the most worrying thing is what hamdir said about the camera. Hope it does not turn out to be true but there seem to be a big difference in the quality of the photos between different reviews. Seems like this delayed launch is good for me as i can look further into this problem.

Nokia 925 Vs Htc One's camera. Nokia better?

Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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ECEXCURSION said:
No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
Something "better" always comes out after you purchase the "latest and greatest."
Performance is always improving and considering the 925 is an update on the 920, what did you expect?
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I think the camera in my 920 totally blew away the camera in my One, but I get the impression the One can still be improved with some software tweaks. The 920 wasn't awesome on the initial software either.
Sometimes though I get really great pictures out of my One, its just not very consistent.
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Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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They HAVE to have one killer feature to make people forget that they'll never get any apps.
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Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.
Well you couldn't have seriously thought the ones camera would be forever superior to all future devices...
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Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.
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Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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eallan said:
You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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Holy cow that's a terrible argument.
Well, I have just swapped from Lumia 920 to HTC One and I knew straight away, that the upgrade will be a real camera downgrade, and not just because of megapixels.
HTC One's camera handles very poorly at very bright sun light, hdr is underperforming as well but other than that, it is more then enough for daily shots.
Moving from WP back to Android was absolutely worth it, I don't know why I was tempted to give WP a chance.
Very little quality apps, terrible battery life. The only thing I miss is the WP keyboard
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Holy cow that's a terrible argument.
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Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Arguably, the Bayer filter makes it equivalent to a 1MP photo.
The filter basically means that the photo is in a Pentile layout. That means effective resolution compared to a theoretical RGB sensor is less.
RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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You should probably go buy the Nokia. Thank you.
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Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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HTC One's 468ppi > Nokia's 332ppi
Therefore the Nokia's display is inferior to the HTC One's I'd say. At least on paper...
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Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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My One X had a display in that range, and I could see the difference between the two. 332 isn't bad, it's just inferior to 468.
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Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Ahh yes, you are correct - my uncharacteristically poor rebuttal was lame because it was 2 in the morning here and I was going to bed. I will get back to being myself below.
"Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP"
Try cropping and zooming an image that is 4 mp versus one that is, say, 8 mp or higher, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Let's take this photo for instance. It's one I just randomly pulled off the public internet, hence the watermark.
The original:
Cropped:
If this were a 4 mp photo, since I have cropped roughly 50% of the area of the photo, it would now be a 2 mp photo. Everyone will tell you, rightly, that a 2 mp photo these days is pretty unacceptable - no one remotely interested in taking good photos would buy a phone or camera with a 2 mp sensor. You can't print the photos very big and they will just look soft. You can argue that the photographer should have just been closer to the people to begin with and framed the shot better in the first place. Well, in the world of walking around with a smartphone, when taking candid unplanned photos it is impossible to always frame the shot to the point where cropping isn't desirable.
Now I'm not saying people that are manipulating photos like this will necessarily be the type to use a 4 mp smartphone camera, but it does happen. Recently I took a picture of one of my sons at his graduation using my HTC One (my wife had the Canon DSLR camera). The picture quality was good, but there was a jubilent kid within the frame of the shot giving the "devil horns" symbol and sticking his tongue out to someone. When I cropped this kid out of the shot, I was left with basically a 2 mp photo. Had this picture been taken on 10-20 mp camera for example (a common pixel count range for middle to upper-middle quality cameras these days) the final result would have been a much more acceptable 5-10 mp. Of course, more megapixels is not always better (sensor quality is paramount), but that is an entirely different topic that's been discussed ad nauseum.
The problem is that most here on xda think cell phone companies are only manufacturing devices for us here on xda. Which we're only a small percentage.
Cell phone companies are manufacturing devices for the general consumer which excludes us since we have a more understanding of how things or some things work and know they can work better.
My point is that the general consumer, well most, will never crop nor will go and print out a poster size picture they took with their mobile device. They are just going to snap a shot, share it on a social site or to a friend or family.
By the way, didn't mean to thank you on your other post. Freebie
RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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Use HDR, that guy probably used night mode for HTC One. Nokia also uses some kind of software editing after it takes the picture to make it brighter.
Here is a HDR Photo in extreme low light. The only light in the room is that light comes from monitor.
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And same image with night mode
And this is from HTC Sensation, low light mode

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