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Get the Epic now?

I know, I may be crazy but I'm thinking about swapping my EVO for an Epic 4G now. It'd be an even swap, so I wouldn't have to pay or anything. I know other Galaxy phones are going to come out, and maybe even soon, but I'd imagine they would cost more with no contract and my upgrade isn't due until August anyway.
I take a lot of photos and videos on my phone and I've come to realize that the EVO just doesn't do a great job of videos, it's Ok when it comes to photos.
So I have a few questions. Is the leaked froyo update good enough to run as a ROM with EVERYTHING working? Being on EVO 2.2 since August, pretty much can't go back to 2.1. Do you think Samsung will release 2.2 officially soon? And how is the camera for stills and videos?

While I can't comment on if official froyo is coming soon I can say that the current dk28 leaks are stable daily drivers. I've run all of the froyo leaks and this is much more stable and easily a daily driver. You would have no issues immediately going to froyo. The epic is a great phone and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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yes, yes, and the camera is better than the evo. you will be addicted to the screen and the speed too. i know, had both. enjoy

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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.

Who knows when the official froyo update will come, but DK28 worked well for me so I'm not too worried about it. No problems at all. I think the camera is excellent for a phone. A few sites have threads full of examples, like this one: http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/32332-epic-photography.html The video is good enough to replace my little HD digital camcorder. It's obviously not going to be as good as a real HD camcorder, but it's more than adequete for home movies and whatnot.

picture quality is more about the lens than megapixels. i don't know what it is about htc's cameras but they all pretty much suck. i haven't seen a phone take better pictures than the epic does

I recently jumped from the Evo to the Epic as well and am glad I did. It will be at least summer before any new "super phones" appear on Sprint (my guess) and you will be much happier with the Epic's speed while you wait for your next phone.
Epic beats the Evo in every way except GPS which is usable but slower/less accurate on Epic.
Edit: I found the Epic's camera to be better than the Evo - make sure you go into the settings and turn on "anti-shake" right away as it helps a lot.

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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well, just do what i did, me and my buddy(with evo) sent 3 pictures we took from the same street we were on , to a email, then compared them right next to each other(he was skeptical like you), believe me when i tell you that the epic was better. try it

v3rk said:
picture quality is more about the lens than megapixels. i don't know what it is about htc's cameras but they all pretty much suck. i haven't seen a phone take better pictures than the epic does
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Yeah, megapixels don't really say much about the quality of the photos. It's good for marketing, though.

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
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So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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One would Assume that because 8mp is a bigger # then 5mp its automatically better right? Wrong, and that's why i don't just assume things, i have 2 see them both 4 myself... The Epic camera takes better quality photos then the EVO Period.
I am by no means a photographer but this is a picture taken by me on a hunting trip this past October in Arizona, Note the quality of THIS 5mp Camera

ericizzy1 said:
well, just do what i did, me and my buddy(with evo) sent 3 pictures we took from the same street we were on , to a email, then compared them right next to each other(he was skeptical like you), believe me when i tell you that the epic was better. try it
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i think i will have the epic for a day or so before i get rid of the EVO, so I do plan on doing this.

I am in a similar position.
I am STILL using a TP2, and was waiting for the Shift 4G's release to make a decision.
I don't know whether to let my company both activate a line and buy an Epic for me now.
Or, continue paying for my personal TP2 bill out of my own pocket and wait for the new dual cores before accepting the line and phone from my company.
Any advice ???

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
EVO specs
So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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Compare a kodak 8 mp to a nikon 5 mp and you'll see why higher mp are not an indication of a better camera.
From a phone

Epic uses a cmos sensor similar or same as on Iphone 4. Also known to have better video and picture image quality than EVO, especially under low light conditions which EVO's sensor struggles at.
Article - http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...DROID-X---the-camera-comparison_id2532/page/7
Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGKdgTuhpS0
Not trying to be a fanboy but Iphone 4's camera and screen are the kings ATM and the 5mp vs. 8mp debate is irrelevant.
FYI... with the upcoming release of HTC Swift, Epic just dropped -$50.

Some details of a soon to be announced Galaxy S successor:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-mobile-boss-confirms-galaxy-s-successor-galaxy-tab-road/

nikon120 said:
Epic specs
EVO specs
So I'm not entirely understanding your comment about picture quality. 8 megapixels vs. 5 megapixels. One would assume 8 wins over 5 in this situation.
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Wow, your lack of knowledge is clearly evident here just by seeing you point to megapixels vs quality of sensor (no offense ). Anyone who knows both the Evo and Epic will tell you that the Epic's 5MP sensor takes BETTER pictures than the Evo's 8MP sensor.
Has little to do with teh megapizzellss but rather the quality of the sensor. Also anyone who knows about cameras will tell you the same as well.

Get the Epic
I just replaced my EVO with an Epic and have never been happier.
The Screen just feels awesome and the keyboard is wicked.
It also is wayyy faster but I will say one thing. Coming from the Evo, the Epic and Evo have the same Camera quality. Epic FFC wins because it performs better in low light conditions, but the rear camera quality is about the same.

From what I've read online in comparison tests, the Evo pics are rated lower than the Epic. I don't remember but I think the Epic uses better hardware

Well you may be right, but from my personal point of view..... their cameras' are the same

To add on to others comments about camera quality if your camera has a crappy white balance etc. it just doesn't matter. Megapixels only matter anyway if you intend to make large prints or do some serious editing both of which I doubt you would use an phone to take pictures for.
My point is sensor quality more important than snazzy numbers.

Xoom vs XXX Camera Comparison thread. Warning 56k ;-)

Hey guys,
Im composing this thread to include as the title states, pictures taken from the Xoom's camera VS pictures taken from other devices (IE. other tabs, phones or cameras.) With that i'll be posting pictures taken from my Xoom 5MP, Droid Incredible 8MP, and FujiFilm Finepix S1500 10MP. WIth that, all devices settings will be on auto detect, set to default. This will be ongoing and others are welcome to join in, just post the specs of your other devices to form a baseline and keep images no bigger than 1024x768.
As some had stated earlier in other posts, the few second review of the photo taken on the Xoom does not do the image justice at all. Its not until its transfered to desktop that I can see the true detail.
XOOM:
With Flash:
Without Flash:
DROID INCREDIBLE:
With Flash:
Without Flash:
Landscape Shots with Xoom during day:
The only thing im disappointed in here is the pixelation on the zoomed in shots here. Otherwise they turned out great. Wasn't able to snap any comparison shots with the Incredible here but ill try tomorrow.
Portrait shot outside around 10am with sun to back:
Xoom:
Incredible:
FujiFilm:
Portrait shot inside around 11am with only true sunlight:
Xoom:
Incredible
FujiFilm
More to come

Thanks! The XOOM camera looks surprisingly good, except for that zoomed in shot.
BTW,
lol @ PUPU st.

arrtoodeetoo said:
Thanks! The XOOM camera looks surprisingly good, except for that zoomed in shot.
BTW,
lol @ PUPU st.
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Thanks, yeah the zoom on the Xoom is a bit disappointing but im hoping to get some video as well although I don't have an HD device to compare and also front camera as well.. One thing I wish was included is the ISO settings. I love that on my Incredible I can turn the ISO up and down depending on what im shooting.
And thanks for noticing the street hah

Placeholder for some more comparison shots tomorrow.

I am very disappointed in the Xoom's camera. I scheduled a photo shoot yesterday, and rather than using my Nikon D700 with 24-70 2.8 Nikkor Lens, I figured, hey, my tablet computer has a camera on it, I'll just use that.
Sorry, but that tiny little chip on the back of my tablet just can't keep up with my dSLR.
Seriously, other than annoying friends/family by secretly videotaping them drunk while you innocently play on your tablet, what's the purpose of the back camera?
Come to think of it... that is an excellent reason to have a camera there.

goodfellaslxa said:
I am very disappointed in the Xoom's camera. I scheduled a photo shoot yesterday, and rather than using my Nikon D700 with 24-70 2.8 Nikkor Lens, I figured, hey, my tablet computer has a camera on it, I'll just use that.
Sorry, but that tiny little chip on the back of my tablet just can't keep up with my dSLR.
Seriously, other than annoying friends/family by secretly videotaping them drunk while you innocently play on your tablet, what's the purpose of the back camera?
Come to think of it... that is an excellent reason to have a camera there.
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You actually thought it would compete with your DSLR. It's mot supposed to be a $2000 worth quality camera.

And here is a GS comparison
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pupu+...6,0.015621&z=17&panoid=rWA2VTEUIniuAwXr0b7jhQ

arrtoodeetoo said:
BTW,
lol @ PUPU st.
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Haha, my first thoughts when I saw the pics. *giggle snort*
Slightly disappointed in the quality of the Xoom shots, but TBH wasn't expecting much. I do want to play with the 720p video though....

clearly my Sharp phone takes the shot better than your fuji camera^^
those japanese are just carzy about the camera on the phone, and sadly android phone makers are not

Looks like hawaii, Oahu?

if a 500MP camera can take good photos, what is the point of DSLR? LOL
or why would anyone buy a camera in the 1st place, some phones even have 12MP camera, just buy that.

xlGmanlx said:
Looks like hawaii, Oahu?
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St, Ewa Beach, Honolulu, Hawaii
Click on my google link above and you can see it in street view.

dota-lina said:
if a 500MP camera can take good photos, what is the point of DSLR? LOL
or why would anyone buy a camera in the 1st place, some phones even have 12MP camera, just buy that.
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The resolution a digital camera does not necessarily indicate the picture quality. For example a 6mp DSLR is far superior to a 12mp point and shoot or a phone camera.

Trav29 said:
You actually thought it would compete with your DSLR. It's mot supposed to be a $2000 worth quality camera.
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Yes, I actually thought a little chip slapped on the back of an $800 tablet could compete with a $4k camera rig. Why couldn't it?
I'm also dissapointed that my Honda got beaten by a Ferrari on the interstate yesterday.
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goodfellaslxa said:
Yes, I actually thought a little chip slapped on the back of an $800 tablet could compete with a $4k camera rig. Why couldn't it?
I'm also dissapointed that my Honda got beaten by a Ferrari on the interstate yesterday.
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you need to put more go fast stickers on your honda then.

Thank you for this comparison. I have a Xoom and a Droid 1. I definitely can tell a quality difference with the Xoom. It is much better especially with flash.

Just visited a Carphone Warehouse store (UK) and noticed they have a plethora of tablets on display. 1 that caught my attention was the Asus Transformer, since I was considering getting this or the Xoom, but I went for the Xoom instead.
So I had a go at the Transformer (minus the keyboard), performance felt pretty much the same as Xoom... until I played with its camera... Good grief that thing's camera is miles better than the Xoom's. It's so clear, sharp, and responsive, actually surprised me. Then I quickly went to play with the Xoom, because I don't remember my Xoom has thos qualities... and yep... blurry, slower, quality like 1 MPx camera... yuck. I never realized how bad the Xoom camera is compared to a cheaper Tegra 2 tablet! Do you think Moto/Google can improve Xoom's camera by soft update? Or is Xoom's camera hardware is just utter crap?

Some comments from a serious photographer...
You will find much better results if you export the Xoom pics to a proper PC and use a good photo editing application to process. I use Photoshop CS5 and use some sharpening and other parameter adjustments to get very good results. The zoom function of the camera is an electronic zoom and will never be as good as just getting closer. Also, just look at the size of the camera lens and compare it to your point-and-shoot or DSLR. It will never get as good pictures as a dedicated camera.
Added: The camera apps on the Xoom cannot compete with a proper application on a PC or Mac to achieve good pictures

ShadowFlare said:
Just visited a Carphone Warehouse store (UK) and noticed they have a plethora of tablets on display. 1 that caught my attention was the Asus Transformer, since I was considering getting this or the Xoom, but I went for the Xoom instead.
So I had a go at the Transformer (minus the keyboard), performance felt pretty much the same as Xoom... until I played with its camera... Good grief that thing's camera is miles better than the Xoom's. It's so clear, sharp, and responsive, actually surprised me. Then I quickly went to play with the Xoom, because I don't remember my Xoom has thos qualities... and yep... blurry, slower, quality like 1 MPx camera... yuck. I never realized how bad the Xoom camera is compared to a cheaper Tegra 2 tablet! Do you think Moto/Google can improve Xoom's camera by soft update? Or is Xoom's camera hardware is just utter crap?
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Quality looks great to me. Can read the beer menu in the background ffs, what more do you want?

Quick thought...
The first photos I took with my Xoom looked soft and blurry. Cleaned the lens (full of fingerprints) and from then on the photos were sharp.

Camera comparison, iPhone 4S is the best

I am not happy either but it seems that 4S is really the best that you can buy in mobile phone when it comes to camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php

Yep, they did it again. I wonder why OEMs don't try to make better cameras with good lenses on Android devices...

5m is good enough for me
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Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.

Not so fast.. They used one daylight and one night shot. The difference between the 4S and the GS2 was pretty small, with the GS2 winning some of the measures. It depends on priorities. For me the GS2 just takes it actually.
Video on the GS2 can be modified to have higher bit rates than the 4S, and it does improve the video.

I would too like to see better camera improvement on future generation phones. Yes, phones aren't dedicated cameras and won't give the same quality as one, but using your phone as a camera is just so convenient, especially carrying around a thin phone compared to a bulky camera. Would like to see a camera that snaps quick like the Galaxy Nexus with a better lens/sensor.

Absolute BULL****!
Hands down iphone4s offers best video recording?
If you prefer un-natural colours, poor low light footage and an 'extremely choppy video- when moving sideways....
Are they for real?
Funded by apple?
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this is BS gsmarena has already done a test and they said the gs2 was far superior so were do they get this crap from

PC World did a much more thorough comparison:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/241955-2/smartphone_camera_battle_iphone_4s_vs_the_android_elite.html
Great cameras on both phones!

damirbusic said:
Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.
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Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.
Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.

I have S2 and 4s, but I have to say 4s is better (for me) when taking a pic..
such as capture speed, exposure, and color..
similar but better, how should I say that
but when it comes to video recording S2 rocks
I'll post both photos from S2 and 4s later..

diggedy said:
Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.
Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.
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Comparing your arc to your friend's iPhone 4S does not constitute a proper test. Post picture comparisons here and let us judge for ourselves, because unless you do so, your argument is void and you come off as a simple fanboy. I mean you are arguing that the tests done by review sites are completely full of ****, yet fail to provide any evidence to prove your point other than your word. So in your opinion, in whom do you think we have more faith: you, or the tech sites that have years of experience and none of the obvious bias?
Looking at comparison shots across multiple review sites that have the know-how on how to take a proper photograph, I have yet to see a single shot taken with the Xperia Arc that would immediately crown its camera the king of those found in mobile phones. Its camera is good, but far from the best. The N8 is the clear winner there.
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Have to give that one to the 4S. The Arc looks unfocused (way less texture detail in the walls).

iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.
Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.

damirbusic said:
iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.
Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.
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The PC World test I linked to did put the SGS2 ahead of the iPhone 4S, but the pictures clearly speak for themselves; the camera in the iPhone 4S is much better.

I can't figure why anyone even bothers doing pointless amateur comparisons, I only can guess that flaming and clicks...
When it comes to photo, there's usually more than meets the eye that should be taken in consideration when considering a shoot-out:
1. Details about the camera: the sensor itself ( circuitry and pixel pattern/array),pixel density on the sensor, optics ( CZ vs plastic)
2. Details about the camera usage specs- firmware dependent: init time, focusing interval, focus points, capture response time, ISO values-what values are useable, dynamic range, shutter speeds.
MAYBE most important
3. OS-dependent details: jpeg/compression algorithm, color rendering algorithm, noise reduction algorithm, ...
Give me a RAW file from any sensor and I can make the photo better looking than anything.
Given that fact they are making a review about cameras, though cell phones cameras, they should have the decency to ask someone that has written a review about cameras.
It's like writing about wines and declaring one to be the best solely by the time and volume it took to get the girl into the bed.

This is interesting. I would like to have a phone with the perfect camera. Such a thing doesn't exist. So I have chosen the phone that is best all around.
If all I wanted was a great camera and didn't care about any other features I would take what my wife has, a Nokia N8.
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I have both the phone. The quality and video recording is indeed better on the iPhone 4S from what I can see in my eyes.
But c'mon guys? When did the S2 come out? You really gonna think 'Apple' won't be spying or checking up on competitors to release something 'atleast' better during iPhone 4S production?

These reviews are easilly manipulated.
PC world gave a much better non biased review and it puts the SGS2 above the Iphone 4s in the camera department.
One thing is sure is that the SGS2 gives better night shots then the Iphone 4S.....The Iphone 4S gives a brighter picture but loose a lot of details.

I've hated phones that use noise reduction/edge sharping to scrub out the detail and replace it with digital artifacts. Whats wrong with grain.
So from that stand point I love what Apple is doing with their unit. Detail isn't something you can get back once its lost.

First full day with my Moto-x and Iphone pic comparision

I purchased a moto-x yesterday out of contract to give it a "road test" and If I liked it I would return it and order 32gb as my Iphone 5 replacement. I had to make a trip to NYC today. My train ride into Penn station is typically 1 hr 10 minutes and today I waited another 10 at the platform. I started out at 100% and started streaming Spotify over LTE and sat on reddit and google chrome for most of the way along with a few games of solitaire and burnt it down to 65%. I fared about the same with my Iphone 5 while making the same run pre-IOS7 however expect worse performance after the update. I was in battery park for the most of the day and lost another ~10% in the subway roaming/intermittent streaming. By the time I got on the train 7 hours later I was at 35%, I used the navigation for about 10 minutes to get some food (awesome btw).
Things I like about the phone.
The screen size is nicer than the Iphone 5 however may not be "as bright" I assume this has to do with the OLED screen.
The Active notifications has to be my favorite feature. It really is quite nice and I dread going back to my Iphone 5 without it.
The active feature while driving is nice however I haven't given it the full test yet.
Google Hangouts is amazing, it really is and I am going to force my girlfriend to use it on her iphone.
Android feels like a smart phone that wants to "help you". I'm sure that doesn't make sense. It just has some mystical google type power IMO.
Things I don't like.
I was hoping battery life would be a little better based on reviews, however I find it good enough.
The camera however this is an AT&T phone without the latest update. The camera will make or break this phone for me as I have a room full of fishing pictures, most are really good and taken with smartphone camera's (Iphone's.)
Also I tried to scan a barcode and it was just NOT happening while on the train, something the iphone did no problem (using myfitnesspal)
It also doesn't charge as fast as my iphone, however that may be because of the larger battery?
Also, when I return this phone this weekend, is there A way I can have everything backed up, so when I get my new phone I won't have to set everything up again and download all these apps over?
Here is the pic comparison, done side by side. http://imgur.com/a/tywmw

I'm actually having trouble making my picture look as bad off as you did and I am not able to reproduce it.
The color in my photos is spectacular, way better than my HTC One. I just took this of my salt water fish tank and it's way more than close... It's impeccably accurate.
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Doing photo comparisons at this point is a waste of time. Att is going to have the update out very soon so why bother. The camera is great after the fix.
Compare then.
To answer your question you have the option to back up ur apps through your Google account. They redownload as soon as you log in on the next phone

osiris355 said:
Doing photo comparisons at this point is a waste of time. Att is going to have the update out very soon so why bother. The camera is great after the fix.
Compare then.
To answer your question you have the option to back up ur apps through your Google account. They redownload as soon as you log in on the next phone
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yesterday... i have just flash the tmo firmware on my unlock bootloader rogers version... and update ! my wife now want the white moto x ! pictures quality is just like the day and night... equal or better to the iphone 5... equal to the sg4 ...
... mmm i have say the tmobile firmware is excellent ... no brand no bloat ( retail en us on the about ) ...

Would you say the battery life is pretty similar for both phones? also how much thicker is the moto x?

mhsbrian said:
I'm actually having trouble making my picture look as bad off as you did and I am not able to reproduce it.
The color in my photos is spectacular, way better than my HTC One. I just took this of my salt water fish tank and it's way more than close... It's impeccably accurate.
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Don't think i'm dissing the phone, I like it more than the iphone5
I'm just waiting for the update.

People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nikon gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nikon for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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rman18 said:
People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nokia gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nokia for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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Agree 100 percent, iPhone photos always bleed colors and it's especially seen in very detailed things.
In terms of Nikon and canon, I shoot with a Canon and only would buy an older Nokia if I was to but one myself.
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mhsbrian said:
Agree 100 percent, iPhone photos always bleed colors and it's especially seen in very detailed things.
In terms of Nokia and canon, I shoot with a Canon and only would buy an older Nokia if I was to but one myself.
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-_- Nokia? I think you mean Nikon.

mentose457 said:
-_- Nokia? I think you mean Nikon.
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SwiftKey filled it in for me lol
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rman18 said:
People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nokia gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nokia for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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Again I think you mean NIKON. I never experienced excessive saturation on any of Nikon DSLRs. I never used retard mode or full retard mode on them though. If you are using those modes on your Canon, well, congratulations.

mentose457 said:
Again I think you mean NIKON. I never experienced excessive saturation on any of Nikon DSLRs. I never used retard mode or full retard mode on them though. If you are using those modes on your Canon, well, congratulations.
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NIKON, as you say.. Makes great cameras I don't see what your point here is besides starting a war that's been waged since the dawn of personal photography.
On another note, my main camera is a pentax k-5, that doesn't mean it shoots way better photos. But it's weather resistant and takes the best night pictures of any camera I've ever owned.
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NIKON, as you say.. Makes great cameras I don't see what your point here is besides starting a war that's been waged since the dawn of personal photography.
On another note, my main camera is a pentax k-5, that doesn't mean it shoots way better photos. But it's weather resistant and takes the best night pictures of any camera I've ever owned.
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Just pointing out that any camera that has manual control can be adjusted to take life like colors. IMO comparing auto modes on manual cameras is stupid.
My boss shoots a k-5, its an attractive camera. I like that the image stabilization is in the camera not the lens.

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Just pointing out that any camera that has manual control can be adjusted to take life like colors. IMO comparing auto modes on manual cameras is stupid.
My boss shoots a k-5, its an attractive camera. I like that the image stabilization is in the camera not the lens.
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Yeah, it's a fantastic camera... The biggest turn on for me was the Iso noise is tremendously low even at very high Iso ranges.
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Absolutely disappointed with the camera

is anyone else? i came from a G2 hoping for a much better camera, as I preferred the GS4 camera to my G2...yeah, well I get my GS5, and i'm sitting here looking at the pics i've taken, and good god they're awful. they just look horrible compared to what the G2 shoots.
and low light? FORGET IT. if you can even get it to focus without the flash on (which it won't, at all, after numerous attempts of me trying with even lights on behind me) it's going to look like garbage anyway.
now i'm sitting here wondering if I should return it or not. I spent full price on the damn thing (after selling a GS4 and a Gnex) and i'm really wondering if it's even worth it to keep because i was honestly expecting a good camera, especially from all of the raving about it i've seen.

Camera looks great here
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terrible. it can't even focus on something with lighting in the room...and the outdoors pic? is this phone for real?

There were some reviews about the galaxy s 5 camera, the reviewers seemed to not like the camera.
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Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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JBeXX said:
Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!

jayochs said:
yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!
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You got a dud. That's too bad. it happens. My pictures are nothing like yours.
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S5 has abandoned Sony sensors right? That would explain OP. Maybe new Samsung sensors are just not as good as Sony's. We all know megapixel is secondary anyway....

My cam is fine...I posted a pic in other thread. You got a bad phone. Exchange it. Those pics you posted aren't good.

I'm happy with the cam as well. Haven't tried any outdoor shots yet but it looks at least as good as my s4 so far. I like the new options and cleaner access. Just snapped this on a whim...
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I'll second this. Not near as bad as Jayochs, but not any better than the S4, and worse, IMHO, in bright outdoor shots where the S4 was incredible. Medium to low-light is improved only because you can see the images more - but if you don't use stabilization mode, they're horribly noisy. If you do use stabilization mode, they look better, but then a LOT of your indoor shots, even if they're not low light, will end up asking you to hold still for 3-4 seconds.
And I don't know about y'all, but my camera is relatively slow to load. Keeping in mind I'm comparing to a 5S and M8. So far the laggier camera experience and not-as-great-as-they-said-it-would-be images have me liking the M8's camera more... it's just so darn fast, and consistent and focusable and can take medium-lit shots quickly.
Edit: full disclaimer... I'm a nitpicky phone camera snob!

Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.

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Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.
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Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...

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Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
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Agreed. The 5S that I use for work is just solid all around when it comes to the camera, providing really great shots in almost all lighting conditions. The only phone I've used that's better is the Lumia 1040, but it doesn't have the speed that the 5S does. Apple really nailed the camera for the 5S.
The S5 has officially been approved as a device we can use for work, so I was hoping to replace both my Note 3 and my 5S with it and only have to carry one device for personal and business use. But so far, the camera on the S5 makes that impossible.
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And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...
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Yeah. I've been out of the country for work for an extended period, often in places with little to no internet service. I'm back in the States for a little bit, so I'll be popping up a little more often.

Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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jagrave said:
Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.

jntdroid said:
It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.
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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.

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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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I typed up a little summary of the comparison I did between the cameras a few posts up.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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In short, the S5 is an improvement, but not a big one. The differences were pretty marginal in most cases.
As for what I like better about the Note 3 it really comes down to two things - the size of the screen and the S-Pen.

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if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
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Ahem.....it most certainly DOES cover the entire lense.
Best find a girl with a sharp fingernail and pay her to scrape it off for you.
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BTW, mine is fast, and sharp, and works nearly as well as my Canon camera.