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X10 Camera Quality

Amongst the many reasons I love my X10 are the display and the 8MP camera, the latter of which, to my surprise, needs improvement (to say the least). I'm of course referring to the Xperia X10 versus iPhone 4 comparison photos, as can be found via Google.
It's not the software I'm concerned with, as I can always get around it one way or another; it's the hardware, and what it's capable of. Just this past weekend, I was at a family dinner, and was quite dissapointed with not just the time it took to take a shot, but more importantly the lack of detail & overall quality. Meanwhile, my sister boasted her iPhone 4 and received all the compliments, whereas people lost patience with me standing there going, "wait for it... wait for it! Where are you going? Damnit!"
Let's face it, the i4 clearly takes better pictures, and the bluish purplish discoloration is rarely ever an issue with indoor shots. Even I was quite impressed with the shots my sister had taken with her i4, while mine were just not noteworthy.
I'm well aware that megapixels mean little to nothing with respect to the quality, but I expected much better from Sony. So, my question is, is there anything I can do to "improve" or "enhance" the X10's camera capability? Or is this really the X10's full potential?

get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots

the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..

Sirgeekalot said:
the time it takes to take a photo is still an issue though.
and motion blurring while trying to take a phpto is a right pain in the rear! took my several goes to try and get a self shot of me and my GF the other day cause it moves as i try and press the camera button..
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use touch to capture, disable image stabilization, use vignette, install the v10 camera mod. the only problems i have are in low lighting, which no cell camera will work well in.
here are some sample pics i've taken
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also the big diff is iphone 4 has 65 million colors so pictures seems to be better,but if u transfer a pic from iphone4 to your experia and do the reverse the pic from your phone will look better in iphone4 than than the iphone4 pic in X10....
regarding slowness of camera,yeah that is an issue,but it is improved in arc,arc can take like 1 picture in less than a second. hope after GB upgrade we might transfer that to X10

Let's have a look on the camera apk which is in the latest ROM of Trip..
I can take 2 photos in something like 3 seconds or less..

Ive compared my x10 to the iphone 4 in terms of picture quality...and i clearly see the x10 is better. Iphone 4 was really oversaturated. If you know what your doing with a camera, you can take good pictures.
First thing with the stock x10 camera is turn off image stabalization as that makes the quality bad. To much compression and blur.
Second, i just recently discovered how much better the x10 stock cam is when you use the EV balance effectively. Im a big fan of vignette, but lately my stock x10 cam is taking much nicer shots when i properly use EV balance. I was amazed at the difference.
Metering modes also plays a roll in better pictures....i use center weighted for the majority, but sometimes spot metering is very useful depending on what im taking a picture of and how the light is shinning on my subject.
Also, a steady hand is important.
You dont need the camera mod app as you might end up frustrated with sound/video delay in your video recording. Trust me, EV balance is your best friend with the stock cam.
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I recommend to look on this
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=405
Esato have a lot of people who knows a lot about photography and there are some devs that used to make drivers to "old" phones like c905 k850 and all...
This thread is only for x10 pics taken from users.
Bye!

fiscidtox said:
get vignette from the market.....
Will vastly improve your shots
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+1...thats my 2 cents

Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.

2ehan said:
Wow, I'm overwhelmed by those shots 28spawn; especially the ones taken by "mode", it's hard to believe he's using an X10!
I'm currently running Wolf's latest 6.1.3 v06, and I don't see any EV balance controls in the camera app, nor did I find any in Vignette. Am I doing something wrong or missing something, because I'd hate to have to revert back to stock just for this.
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Your only gonna find EV control on the stock camera. Which has been a thrill to use. My pictures are fantastic.
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I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.

taken with vignette when i still had the factory 2.1 rom.

I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...

kultus said:
I had to revert to 2.1 from 2.2 ROMs just because a lack of EV correction in 2.2 camera apks and NO dev gave me answer if we will have it in the future... Its cruel as I loved 2.2 (CM 6.1.3) so much. Im taking loads of pictures on vacations, trips and without EV its almost impossible to take good photos... Everybody is posting good quality photos but nobody says how much photos wasnt so good and in many situations you dont have time for playing with settings and trying to take good photo...
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Thats one of the big reasons why i have decided to stay on stock 2.1 now. No EV control in any other roms or apps from the market. I take a crap load of pictures, and lately EV has been my best friend. Cant go without it now.
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i find camera360 app takes great photos myself, give it a try

I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.

kantk20111 said:
I use Camera360 Ultimate and with it the X10 camera pictures destroys the iPhone 4 pictures. No contest.
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+1...camera 360 is the best imo!!
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dogwoofer said:
I hate to be skeptical but I am really doubtful this was taken by an x10
If it genuinely is, mind=blown.
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Why don't you think it's from a X10?
He just did a macro, then the background gets like that.

Worse lowlight performance vs GS2...

Hey guys, so I don't know how many of you had a Galaxy S II but I'd be willing to bet a lot of you did. There's a thread over in the international forum about low-light/night performance. It seems Samsung used two different sensors for the GS3, a Sony one and a Samsung one. The Sony one is apparently the better performer. There are different firmware versions. Here's how to check:
*#34971539# and then Phone/CAM FW Ver Check
DO NOT click "Phone to CAM FW Write (rear)".
Mine has ZDFE02 for cam and phone firmware. Apparently the sensors are in plastic housing, and metal housing. It seems it's impossible to tell without disassembling the phone.
Here are some pictures with auto-contrast, auto-noshake, etc off. These were all taken right by my window, with, in my opinion, plenty enough light. Notice the grain on the pack itself.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wcwws42pptan9tm/2012-07-01 13.38.48.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4nxuvel7rvockl/2012-07-01 13.39.42.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/htculm6t44o4kw5/2012-07-01 13.39.45.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckssps8agmczkdc/2012-07-01 13.39.59.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/htd2jkm5qs2a65o/2012-07-01 13.40.09.jpg
The white looks great, as does the ink printed on it, but I can't help but feel it's being oversharpened.
Here are a few more, at my desk with light coming in the window behind me. There's one picture with the lights on. I think you'll be able to tell which one. It's just as noisy, though. Check out the noise on the desk in the speaker pictures.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qtjcijsfasut8l/20120701_124823.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bi0xhghgsh3vk3w/20120701_123911.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9iof2vwk6pk3qv7/20120701_124634.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5b7m0j5zr9phwn/20120701_124616.jpg
Post your CAM FW, your phone FW, and some sample pictures with all the auto settings off. These were all taken with auto ISO, though. I still haven't taken actual night pictures. There are some really bad ones in the int'l thread though.
Here's the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724124
All in all, I'm pretty disappointed with the camera. My SGS2 (Epic 4G Touch) took amaaaaazing pictures, outside AND inside. I hope Samsung releases an updated firmware, or someone figures out a way to hack it and tweak the settings themselves.
Edit: I forgot to say, I got my phone (blue) on June 29th. It was shipped out the 28th. I have a friend who got his (blue) in the mail on the 21st, and his cam FW is GDFD06, but his phone firmware is GDFE01. He hasn't taken pictures yet. I'll bug him about it.

*#34971539# doesn't work on Diet ICS rom. Flashing back to stock rom and will report back. However I was taking indoor photos today and the low light performance indeed does look disappointing.
Cam/Phone FW: ZDFE02
AT&T S3 16GB (White)
Received on 6/29
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1. iso 400 with auto contrast, finger print smudge on lens
2. iso 400 with auto contrast, smudge wiped off
3. iso 800 without auto contrast, reduced available light
4. iso 800 with auto contrast, same reduced available light as #3
#3 and #4 are not clear due to camera shake/slow shutter

Took some pictures outside. Obviously they're gonna look pretty good. I got some slightly blurry pictures in my garage, despite there being enough lighting for a good focus/shutter speed. I love the macro. Check it, you can still read the text in the ash.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zerd614z9fkbijx/2012-07-01 14.53.02.jpg
Good god, the ISO800 on the bottom looks awful. Just took this, set the ISO manually to 200. Looks WAY better in my opinion. I was blocking most of the light in the room with my shadow.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppeazpdl2lwxhwk/2012-07-01 15.28.37.jpg
Edit: Took another at ISO100. Crisp as hell. 1/15 shutter.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/117294/2012-07-01 15.34.47.jpg
After checking the EXIF data for my crappy pictures, it looks like the phone is cranking up the ISO between 500-800 to allow for better "artificial" lighting, but introducing tons of noise in the process. My 100 and 200 shots look great compared to the 640-800 shots. Set your ISO to 200, hold it steady, and try taking some pictures. I guarantee they'll look way better, as long as they're not blurry.

This is getting buried. I hope people don't miss this!
Oops, thought it would append my post. I guess this a bump.
Wow... I guess people don't give a **** about their camera. Kind of mindblowing, actually. It's one of the main reasons I got this phone.

yokken said:
This is getting buried. I hope people don't miss this!
Oops, thought it would append my post. I guess this a bump.
Wow... I guess people don't give a **** about their camera. Kind of mindblowing, actually. It's one of the main reasons I got this phone.
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Lol...the only reason most of these kids got this phone is so they could flash roms and say my **** is the best . Half of them still think the 2 gigs of ram is to future proof the phone...lol...
Camera has its disappointing side though
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Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope for a firmware update from Sammy.

yokken said:
Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope for a firmware update from Sammy.
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A carrier approved update.....now we really get to see which carrier is the worst with not releasing updates....this phone is going to be great..lol.
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yokken said:
Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope for a firmware update from Sammy.
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Why would a firmware update help if the issue is that different phones have different sensors?
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Because it might turn down the aggressive sharpening or back off on the high ISO...

yokken said:
Because it might turn down the aggressive sharpening or back off on the high ISO...
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Doubtful. The problem isn't the high iso, for sure. I also don't think software sharpening is the problem. All signs points to there being two different hardware sensors with the sony sensor being vastly superior.
My guess is that all GDxxx firmwares are associated with the Sony sensor and the ZDxxxx firmware is for the Samsung sensor. I hope I'm wrong. Cuz if I'm right, all of us in the US with GS3s are screwed.
Has there been a single US GS3 that has been confirmed with GD firmware?

Shoulda got a HOX. We knew before this phone even came out that the HOX had a better camera.
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i guess this would mean more to me if i used my phone as a camera

F1reEng1neRed said:
Shoulda got a HOX. We knew before this phone even came out that the HOX had a better camera.
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No, it doesn't. You clearly haven't read reviews carefully. The HOX's camera SHOULD have been better than the GS3 due to superior optics (f/2.0 aperture), but in real world use, it wasn't due to a variety of reasons.
I actually did have an HOX (Evo LTE) before the GS3 and returned it for a variety of reasons (one of them being the camera quality)

limeaid said:
No, it doesn't. You clearly haven't read reviews carefully. The HOX's camera SHOULD have been better than the GS3 due to superior optics (f/2.0 aperture), but in real world use, it wasn't due to a variety of reasons.
I actually did have an HOX (Evo LTE) before the GS3 and returned it for a variety of reasons (one of them being the camera quality)
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The title of the OP is low light performance. The HOX's low light is better than the S2 and obviously better than the GS3 if the OP is serious about the S2s being better than the GS3. Besides that, I haven't read a single review saying the GS3s camera is better than the HOX.
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I've got both. (The int'l HOX btw and the TMOUS branded SGSIII) The HOX has a better camera. Period.
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My US version has the GD series. Ordered direct from AT&T and received 6/24.
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I have both a GS3 and a Evo LTE on my sprint account and my unbiased opinion is the EVO has the better camera. Im not hrar to argue you so I 'll leave it at that.

F1reEng1neRed said:
The title of the OP is low light performance. The HOX's low light is better than the S2 and obviously better than the GS3 if the OP is serious about the S2s being better than the GS3. Besides that, I haven't read a single review saying the GS3s camera is better than the HOX.
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That's not what you said, genius. You said "better camera." Last time, I checked, the two don't mean the same thing And here's one of many reviews:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p5.php
And I'll tell you right now from personal experience, the GS2 camera was better than the One X camera.
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Babydoll25 said:
I've got both. (The int'l HOX btw and the TMOUS branded SGSIII) The HOX has a better camera. Period.
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It sure as hell didn't have a better camera than the GS2

F1reEng1neRed said:
The title of the OP is low light performance. The HOX's low light is better than the S2 and obviously better than the GS3 if the OP is serious about the S2s being better than the GS3. Besides that, I haven't read a single review saying the GS3s camera is better than the HOX.
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Here's one. http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Nokia-808-PureView-camera-comparison_id3071

BakaNeko59 said:
My US version has the GD series. Ordered direct from AT&T and received 6/24.
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How's your low light performance?

Small review on the camera on the Note 2 vs iPhone 4

I have decided to do a little comparison test with the Galaxy note 2 and my old iPhone 4. I have only recently come aboard the good ship Android, so I am still finding my way around. Although I fully understand that the camera does not make or break the phone, for me it is one of the features that I rely on now and again.
I love taking a picture with my SLR but there are times when you cannot use the SLR, or times when you do not want to take it out so for me the camera is something I use. If it had been my sole requirement i would have probably chosen the Nokia 808 Pureview, but Nokia decided to cripple their phones using their chosen software - but that's is another debate.
I didn’t want to do a tremendous amount of testing so I decided to use the stock apps on both phones. I have paid a little more detail to the Note 2 with looking at the normal picture setting and the low light function. I may use another application on the note as the standard camera app is not the best.
I placed a book, a battery and a sound card in my photo booth. The reason for these items was to get something with a plain colour (the book) something that is small but has a little bit of detail (battery) and something that has a lot of detail (sound card). All tests were conducted indoors, nothing outdoors as of yet.
iPhone image:
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From both images you can see there is a definite difference. The iPhones image has a little more ‘viberance’ to it. Overall the colour on the iPhone looks better overall whereas the note 2 image looks a little washed out, however this is purely subjective and I like my photos to have a little more saturation. When viewing photos on the AMOLED screen they do look incredibly vibrant, however, on a normal monitor they do not. What is quite interesting is that the file size of the iPhone 4 image is actually larger than that of the 8 mega pixel file form the Note 2. This could be for a number of reasons; one could be the amount of sharpening applied in the processing, another could be the amount of saturation the software adds to give it a little more ‘zing’.
When testing the sharpness and detail of a camera most magazines tend to do 100% crops showing how much detail can be resolved. The comparisons have been done below.
iPhone first, then Note 2.
Crop with low light mode enabled
From this quick demo you can see that there is a slight difference between the iPhone and the Samsung photos. Personally I don’t think its hardware related, I’m pretty sure that it is software related. I am going on the browse for some add free, free camera software and take a few photos with that.
Once again I would like to stress that this is just an indoor shot, and I have simply not had time to do any outdoor shots. Maybe I will try some on the weekend and report back then.
What do you lot think?

Like yourself it seems, photography is a big hobby of mine and whilst I use a DSLR normally too, I'm more than happy to have my Note 2 with me for quick snaps.
Looking at your test shots, I'd say overall there's not much between them.
iPhone is definitely more vibrant, but the Note 2 shots look more natural. Looking at the uncropped shots, the Note 2 seems to give a clearer image but when viewed at 100% the iPhone seems to have captured slightly more detail. I'd say the Note 2 controls noise better, especially with low light mode. Even without low light mode the Note 2 seems to use more noise control than the iPhone. The downside to this is that more noise control can lead to softer shots, which is why the iPhone shots looks a touch sharper, if a little grainy.
Could all just be my eyes though
Random fact... the Note 2 was originally meant to ship with a 13MP Sony sensor, but Sony couldn't produce enough in time to meet Samsung's deadline so instead it shipped with an 8MP sensor. As you probably know, more MP doesn't always mean a better image as cramming more pixels on a small sensor means each pixel can capture less light, but it would have been interesting to see what the images would have been like had it got the 13MP sensor.

I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.

Though the GS2 and the GN2 both have an 8MP camera, I find the GN2's camera far superior. I suspect this may have something to do with the faster CPU, but not sure. I have used both extensively.

Dylanlewis2000 said:
I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.
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I really wish Nokia would produce android devices as well...
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The iPhone clearly takes sharper images in this comparison, at the expense of noise. Contrast appears to be much better with the iPhone as well, the GN2 photos look a little 'washed out'. Colours are more vibrant with the iPhone as well but perhaps too much?

A semi pro photographer here, hobby too. I never liked any cell phone's camera to be honest. But when I had my C905, things were little better. It had an impressive camera, almost replaced my Ixus for now and then, here and there shots. Then I got the Satio. Another good one. Then don't know what happened, I stepped into Samsung! My first Sammy was a i8910, it had a good camera. So I thought let's continue with Samsung. Next was Wave S8500, I didn't buy it for camera anyway. Then I got the infamous SII. Well after using it for more than year, I can say I was 'fairly' happy with it. Now, Note 2, I don't know, right from the first shot, till now, I DO NOT like this camera, how the photos are appearing, are below average in my eyes.
It's always about 'post software processing' in a mobile camera. A tiny sensor can never produce great photos. So it all matters how the photo is being processed after taking it via the camera firmware provided. That's where a brand plays it tricks. Most of them have Sony's sensor, so talking about hardware is meaningless. Now, here in Note 2, the post processing seems either to be not full or poorly done. Optimizing a photo is bad! An average user, who really would care about the 'background' processes, all they will see the ultimate photo, and there Note 2 fails. Photos turn out grainy, with noise. The biggest letdown is the led flash. At night, in parties, when it's dark, and you don't have your SLR or it's not the place for it, of course you'll need flash. The flash is terribly weak, and badly spread.
Anyway, writing too much, I'm short, after owning 7 or 8 high end cell phones, with their average camera, this Note 2 camera is the most disappointing in my eyes.
However, I don't give a damn, I always (you know what I mean) carry my 350 or D90 (yeah, I know, they are average DSLR), so I'd not bother much about this, BUT not everyone is like me or like OP, for them a 700$ mobile phone should provide 'fairly good' output, where this device, F A I L S.
Now, one thing you see, I really won't bother by some fanboys quoting my comment and say otherwise, knowing I've spent my hard time and money, for more than a decade behind photography. So thanks to them in advance anyway
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The main issue comes down to the camera using iso 800 on auto mode in many scenes, i.e indoors, which is just bizarre. Set it to a lower value manually and the graininess gets a lot better.
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If you want more vibrant colours in the settings select SCN/Panorama.

Nokia 925 Vs Htc One's camera. Nokia better?

Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162

No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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ECEXCURSION said:
No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.

Something "better" always comes out after you purchase the "latest and greatest."
Performance is always improving and considering the 925 is an update on the 920, what did you expect?
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I think the camera in my 920 totally blew away the camera in my One, but I get the impression the One can still be improved with some software tweaks. The 920 wasn't awesome on the initial software either.
Sometimes though I get really great pictures out of my One, its just not very consistent.

RaXxaa said:
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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They HAVE to have one killer feature to make people forget that they'll never get any apps.
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Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.

Well you couldn't have seriously thought the ones camera would be forever superior to all future devices...
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iElvis said:
Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.
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Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.

RaXxaa said:
It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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eallan said:
You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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Holy cow that's a terrible argument.

Well, I have just swapped from Lumia 920 to HTC One and I knew straight away, that the upgrade will be a real camera downgrade, and not just because of megapixels.
HTC One's camera handles very poorly at very bright sun light, hdr is underperforming as well but other than that, it is more then enough for daily shots.
Moving from WP back to Android was absolutely worth it, I don't know why I was tempted to give WP a chance.
Very little quality apps, terrible battery life. The only thing I miss is the WP keyboard

henrybravo said:
Holy cow that's a terrible argument.
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Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Arguably, the Bayer filter makes it equivalent to a 1MP photo.
The filter basically means that the photo is in a Pentile layout. That means effective resolution compared to a theoretical RGB sensor is less.

RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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You should probably go buy the Nokia. Thank you.

I Am Marino said:
Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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HTC One's 468ppi > Nokia's 332ppi
Therefore the Nokia's display is inferior to the HTC One's I'd say. At least on paper...

I Am Marino said:
Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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My One X had a display in that range, and I could see the difference between the two. 332 isn't bad, it's just inferior to 468.

eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Ahh yes, you are correct - my uncharacteristically poor rebuttal was lame because it was 2 in the morning here and I was going to bed. I will get back to being myself below.
"Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP"
Try cropping and zooming an image that is 4 mp versus one that is, say, 8 mp or higher, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Let's take this photo for instance. It's one I just randomly pulled off the public internet, hence the watermark.
The original:
Cropped:
If this were a 4 mp photo, since I have cropped roughly 50% of the area of the photo, it would now be a 2 mp photo. Everyone will tell you, rightly, that a 2 mp photo these days is pretty unacceptable - no one remotely interested in taking good photos would buy a phone or camera with a 2 mp sensor. You can't print the photos very big and they will just look soft. You can argue that the photographer should have just been closer to the people to begin with and framed the shot better in the first place. Well, in the world of walking around with a smartphone, when taking candid unplanned photos it is impossible to always frame the shot to the point where cropping isn't desirable.
Now I'm not saying people that are manipulating photos like this will necessarily be the type to use a 4 mp smartphone camera, but it does happen. Recently I took a picture of one of my sons at his graduation using my HTC One (my wife had the Canon DSLR camera). The picture quality was good, but there was a jubilent kid within the frame of the shot giving the "devil horns" symbol and sticking his tongue out to someone. When I cropped this kid out of the shot, I was left with basically a 2 mp photo. Had this picture been taken on 10-20 mp camera for example (a common pixel count range for middle to upper-middle quality cameras these days) the final result would have been a much more acceptable 5-10 mp. Of course, more megapixels is not always better (sensor quality is paramount), but that is an entirely different topic that's been discussed ad nauseum.

The problem is that most here on xda think cell phone companies are only manufacturing devices for us here on xda. Which we're only a small percentage.
Cell phone companies are manufacturing devices for the general consumer which excludes us since we have a more understanding of how things or some things work and know they can work better.
My point is that the general consumer, well most, will never crop nor will go and print out a poster size picture they took with their mobile device. They are just going to snap a shot, share it on a social site or to a friend or family.
By the way, didn't mean to thank you on your other post. Freebie

RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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Use HDR, that guy probably used night mode for HTC One. Nokia also uses some kind of software editing after it takes the picture to make it brighter.
Here is a HDR Photo in extreme low light. The only light in the room is that light comes from monitor.
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And same image with night mode
And this is from HTC Sensation, low light mode

Absolutely disappointed with the camera

is anyone else? i came from a G2 hoping for a much better camera, as I preferred the GS4 camera to my G2...yeah, well I get my GS5, and i'm sitting here looking at the pics i've taken, and good god they're awful. they just look horrible compared to what the G2 shoots.
and low light? FORGET IT. if you can even get it to focus without the flash on (which it won't, at all, after numerous attempts of me trying with even lights on behind me) it's going to look like garbage anyway.
now i'm sitting here wondering if I should return it or not. I spent full price on the damn thing (after selling a GS4 and a Gnex) and i'm really wondering if it's even worth it to keep because i was honestly expecting a good camera, especially from all of the raving about it i've seen.

Camera looks great here
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terrible. it can't even focus on something with lighting in the room...and the outdoors pic? is this phone for real?

There were some reviews about the galaxy s 5 camera, the reviewers seemed to not like the camera.
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Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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JBeXX said:
Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!

jayochs said:
yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!
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You got a dud. That's too bad. it happens. My pictures are nothing like yours.
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S5 has abandoned Sony sensors right? That would explain OP. Maybe new Samsung sensors are just not as good as Sony's. We all know megapixel is secondary anyway....

My cam is fine...I posted a pic in other thread. You got a bad phone. Exchange it. Those pics you posted aren't good.

I'm happy with the cam as well. Haven't tried any outdoor shots yet but it looks at least as good as my s4 so far. I like the new options and cleaner access. Just snapped this on a whim...
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I'll second this. Not near as bad as Jayochs, but not any better than the S4, and worse, IMHO, in bright outdoor shots where the S4 was incredible. Medium to low-light is improved only because you can see the images more - but if you don't use stabilization mode, they're horribly noisy. If you do use stabilization mode, they look better, but then a LOT of your indoor shots, even if they're not low light, will end up asking you to hold still for 3-4 seconds.
And I don't know about y'all, but my camera is relatively slow to load. Keeping in mind I'm comparing to a 5S and M8. So far the laggier camera experience and not-as-great-as-they-said-it-would-be images have me liking the M8's camera more... it's just so darn fast, and consistent and focusable and can take medium-lit shots quickly.
Edit: full disclaimer... I'm a nitpicky phone camera snob!

Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.

bsweetness said:
Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.
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Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...

jntdroid said:
Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
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Agreed. The 5S that I use for work is just solid all around when it comes to the camera, providing really great shots in almost all lighting conditions. The only phone I've used that's better is the Lumia 1040, but it doesn't have the speed that the 5S does. Apple really nailed the camera for the 5S.
The S5 has officially been approved as a device we can use for work, so I was hoping to replace both my Note 3 and my 5S with it and only have to carry one device for personal and business use. But so far, the camera on the S5 makes that impossible.
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And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...
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Yeah. I've been out of the country for work for an extended period, often in places with little to no internet service. I'm back in the States for a little bit, so I'll be popping up a little more often.

Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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jagrave said:
Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.

jntdroid said:
It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.
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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.

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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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I typed up a little summary of the comparison I did between the cameras a few posts up.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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In short, the S5 is an improvement, but not a big one. The differences were pretty marginal in most cases.
As for what I like better about the Note 3 it really comes down to two things - the size of the screen and the S-Pen.

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if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
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Ahem.....it most certainly DOES cover the entire lense.
Best find a girl with a sharp fingernail and pay her to scrape it off for you.
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BTW, mine is fast, and sharp, and works nearly as well as my Canon camera.