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Gingerbread is here!

So...who wants to build the first 2.3 ROM? (Well...when the source code is released. )

that would be so exciting, gingerbread looks so refined. The keyboard screens I've seen look nearly identical to the iphone, and that is to date the best on-screen keyboard. I'm stoked.

Let's set the timer for htc, I wonder how long it will take them to push a sense version out? I hope to see the new sense from the desire and also a full bluetooth stack, im dreaming big but that's the reason for the season!

Come on guys!! I just came back to NY trusty ole dinc(from DC, fascinate) and can't wait. HTC Makes the most customizeable phones(don't use ****ty RFS filesystem Samsung uses) and they don't give u a ****ty source to work with and RIL dlfrom android 1.5( talking to you Samsung) this should be exciting!!!
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I figure that since essentially the incredible and the media one are the same phone it shouldn't be too terribly difficult to get a port this way. If I was smarter and could do this stuff is being all over it, good thing we have people who actually ARE that smart... lol. First dev to get it up and running will get a 24 pack from me, donation wise at least.
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This is probably a silly question, but can I not just download Gingerbread and install it, or do I *need* to get a customized HTC version?

You need the version made for your phone.. So yea the HTC versiob
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Anybody know if we are getting an official upgrade?. Or is this phone too old now lol.
Edit: just read the new features list. Oh man I just got really excited. Gyrosensor support, dual camera support, better keyboard, better power management, better 3d performance, Better copy/paste. I can't wait. I'd say 2.3 is on par with iOS now for some cool hardware
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It would be really nice if HTC supported the incredible, but I won't be surprised if it isn't. However there are a few reasons why we might get it (and they're all purely speculation):
1. Evo and Incredible run off very similar framework/hardware, would be two birds one stone sort of deal to help reinforce customer loyalty
2. The original Droid got froyo and that was almost a year after its release. We are in a similar situation and seeing how cool HTC is with updates we might get lucky.
3. Our hardware is still well within the requirements for gingerbread. As a matter of fact the Nexus S has a 1Ghz processor so there's no reason from a hardware standpoint NOT to do it.
Conversely, HTC did out a number of new devices (G2, MyTouch 4G, Desire Z etc) which might be a higher priority for them to get on gingerbread. Its hard to know for sure, but speculating is fun
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Div033 said:
It would be really nice if HTC supported the incredible, but I won't be surprised if it isn't. However there are a few reasons why we might get it (and they're all purely speculation):
1. Evo and Incredible run off very similar framework/hardware, would be two birds one stone sort of deal to help reinforce customer loyalty
2. The original Droid got froyo and that was almost a year after its release. We are in a similar situation and seeing how cool HTC is with updates we might get lucky.
3. Our hardware is still well within the requirements for gingerbread. As a matter of fact the Nexus S has a 1Ghz processor so there's no reason from a hardware standpoint NOT to do it.
Conversely, HTC did out a number of new devices (G2, MyTouch 4G, Desire Z etc) which might be a higher priority for them to get on gingerbread. Its hard to know for sure, but speculating is fun
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The Nexus One is getting Gingerbread today and the Incredible/Evo have almost identical hardware, so I say the odds are in our favor. If not, we will definitely get a port from the Nexus One or an AOSP build from one of our great developers.

alright i am a sickass noob! *cant express that enough* i mean it even took me like 5 min to find a way to post something on this *so yes this is my first time posting something*, i am just wondering if i am rooted *which i am* and a new update comes out, ei Ginger, how would that effect my phone if i clicked update? would it update my phone and i'd lose root? or would it simply brick my phone? real curious havent been able to find a plain answer anywhere

If u are stock rooted without having removed any of the factory bloatware then if u click update is will simply apply the.update and you will not be rootes anymore. Wala
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You can get the Gingerbread keyboard on your incredible now. Just installed on mine.. Its sexy looking. I got it here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/12/06/download-gingerbread-keyboard-for-rooted-devices/

Really liking the new keyboard. I've not been a fan of any 3rd party keyboards (I'm still using the HTC one), but this may replace it. The only problem with it right now is the autocorrect doesn't work right. Don't want to send a bunch of messed up messages to folks.

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Really liking the new keyboard. I've not been a fan of any 3rd party keyboards (I'm still using the HTC one), but this may replace it. The only problem with it right now is the autocorrect doesn't work right. Don't want to send a bunch of messed up messages to folks.
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in my expierence, the auto correct screws everything up worse. I alwasy turn it off anyway.

derickmc said:
in my expierence, the auto correct screws everything up worse. I alwasy turn it off anyway.
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Many times it does, but I find it fixes common typos pretty well. The main thing I hate about the HTC keyboard is the autocorrect... I'm NOT a fan of it just popping up there and then it being difficult to get it off the screen or saving a bad spelling in the dictionary. I guess that could be reason enough to turn it off though... lol.

According to the video on the nexxus s site its not just autocorrect but autolearn and correct so the auto correct adapts to the user better thus eliminating the usual hatred for most autocorrects. So far is learning me quiet well.

Here is a flashable of the gingerbread keyboard...
Should work on all roms
http://www.mediafire.com/?vb99fdtbctuy7xc

derickmc said:
You can get the Gingerbread keyboard on your incredible now. Just installed on mine.. Its sexy looking. I got it here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/12/06/download-gingerbread-keyboard-for-rooted-devices/
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i get fcs when i enable the keyboard,what do i need to remove or whatever to get it working

sneaky_zekey said:
i get fcs when i enable the keyboard,what do i need to remove or whatever to get it working
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Are you running a Desire Z ROM? I am and I get a FC whenever i try to run an alternate keyboard I flashed over.
Fixes anyone? Hit me up if you need more info.

[Q][Sarcasm] NOT another useless thread..ok it is.

Without a doubt the Epic 4g is definitely the most impressive piece of hand-held hardware I have owned to date. I am a long time HTC user and I can promise I will [probably] never go back. There is no other phone on the market that I would rather have for the uses that I use it for. I made my decision wisely after a lot of research. So with that being said, why in the world is so many people so up in arms and worked up over not getting a 2.2 update? Do you really need flash that bad on your phone? If you're spending that much time using flash sites then why not man up and buy yourself a decent netbook? Seriously I don't understand. The only reason I have ever been upset that I didn't have flash was when I was unable to masturbate to my normal free porn site, and instead had to find a mobile version. An inconvenience, yes, but not to the extreme that I cursed samsung. Besides it's much better to have two hands free (for some of us anyway).
So what is it? You want to brag to the girls at the bar that your Epic can do more mflops than a Amsterdam prostitute? Someone please enlighten me here. My experience with 2.1 has been super smooth, responsive, and no app I can throw at will slow it down. In real world use what is the benefit of 2.2? Oh yeah it would be nice to have the new gmail app with the return/forward at the top instead of the bottom, true, but what else?
If you weren't tied to your phone's benchmark like it was the size of your peni$, what seriously is the Epic 2.1 lacking that a 2.2 update would fix?
edit: Keep an eye out for my new rom: Better than froyo. Completely Stock with madthumbs mobile bookmark baked in.

You want to brag to the girls at the bar that your Epic can do more mflops than a Amsterdam prostitute?
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People gotz to get their porn. You know, put all 4 inches to their full potential.

cuz the roll out of fR0yo promises 20% less sticky screen after a session of mobile masturbation and a online myspace gf!

plapczyn said:
People gotz to get their porn. You know, put all 4 inches to their full potential.
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Ha!

Mikandi works on eclair and froyo )
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I wondered the same thing for a long time. If you need flash so bad then download the adobe flash app.
Now most of us are on the leaked froyo I'm seeing crap about gingerbread. What's so special about that is what I really wanna know.

I get mad lag on my stock 2.1 phone. This is my second Epic since launch and both lagged after about 12 hours of uptime.
I brought this phone in to Sprint and of course it decides to be all snappy for them. >:-| So my only hope is for the better task management FroYo offers will remedy the lag. That said, sure the lack of an update sucks, but I'm not sweating it.
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Fine, but seriously... lack of 2.2 is not what kills it for me on this phone... it's the damn screen that's calibrated like ass. Being a photographer, I just have to ask myself... who the f wants to stare at a screen that calibrated to a very cool temp?

2.2 won't help you there, but this will: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...-universal-version-takes-aim-at-more-phones/#
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OMG! THANKS! If I was into man-love, I'd offer you free blowjob, but I'm not, so for now a simple thanks still suffice.
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Hmmm.... wonder if any Devs know if theres a way to adjust more advanced settings than RGB... thats great, but It would be nice to be able to ISF calibrate this thing, it does have amazing image potential. May even be able to set up profiles for outside, movie, the retarded 'sports' one, oh wait, think its on that... Set up to work well with the lighting at a Sprint store I would assume...

I'd like to be able to use the audio-out function of the expensive factory dock I bought. I'd also appreciate full voice command support.

There is more to Flash than just websites and video. Froyo also gives you the ability to run Adobe Air applications as well as run Flash content. I already have two Air apps that I've been working on that I will be putting on the market once I've got 2.2 on my Epic and can test them myself.
Not to mention that Google has been updating their core apps and some will now require 2.2. I, for one, don't relish the fact that a phone I bought 2 months ago can't run the latest apps.
And please don't tell me to install a custom ROM. I'm new to Android and this is my primary communication device for personal and business use. I'm not really ready to risk screwing it up just yet.
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ungovernable1977 said:
Hmmm.... wonder if any Devs know if theres a way to adjust more advanced settings than RGB... thats great, but It would be nice to be able to ISF calibrate this thing, it does have amazing image potential. May even be able to set up profiles for outside, movie, the retarded 'sports' one, oh wait, think its on that... Set up to work well with the lighting at a Sprint store I would assume...
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I have an i1. We can't calibrate the phone..but I might be able to run the software via vnc to get a color temp.
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nicholishen said:
Besides it's much better to have two hands free (for some of us anyway).
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It should be noted that OP has very small hands.

greezestain said:
It should be noted that OP has very small hands.
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That's what scared me about upgrading to this massive phone. You ever seen that burger king commercial with the tiny hands? Kinda like that.
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themirthfulswami said:
There is more to Flash than just websites and video. Froyo also gives you the ability to run Adobe Air applications as well as run Flash content. I already have two Air apps that I've been working on that I will be putting on the market once I've got 2.2 on my Epic and can test them myself.
Not to mention that Google has been updating their core apps and some will now require 2.2. I, for one, don't relish the fact that a phone I bought 2 months ago can't run the latest apps.
And please don't tell me to install a custom ROM. I'm new to Android and this is my primary communication device for personal and business use. I'm not really ready to risk screwing it up just yet.
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I can see how it would be frustrating if you are using the epic as your only android device to develop on, but don't they have emulators?
I guess my op q was directed more at real world use. Personal and business uses. I've flashed several 2.2 Roms an Always end up back at baked snack for smoothness, reliability, and battery life. I punish this phone as an account executive. I just have never had a smooth experience with any of the 2.2
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Buh bye now.

Bye guys.
I came to android world by having a tytn 2 which I enjoyed alot, haret-ed my ass oof, tried alot of roms back then.
I became so obsessed with android, I received a wildfire for my birthday. At first it seemed an upgrade, but then I've seen what means to have a cpu without a gpu struggling even to animate simple 2d stuff.
So, here we are, three months later and I cooked this idea I want a new phone with android. So I've gone with HD2 to be able to switch back to wm if I ever needed it at any time.
So here's my advice:
If it's your kids/girlfriends phone, leave it as is. If it's your phone and you are sick of it and it doesn't meet your expectations, sell it while it's sparkling new, to be able to get as much money off it, add some quids and get a real phone.
I will be less active on this wildfire subform, so I wish you happy buzzing days to come.
N.

nemuro said:
Bye guys.
I came to android world by having a tytn 2 which I enjoyed alot, haret-ed my ass oof, tried alot of roms back then.
I became so obsessed with android, I received a wildfire for my birthday. At first it seemed an upgrade, but then I've seen what means to have a cpu without a gpu struggling even to animate simple 2d stuff.
So, here we are, three months later and I cooked this idea I want a new phone with android. So I've gone with HD2 to be able to switch back to wm if I ever needed it at any time.
So here's my advice:
If it's your kids/girlfriends phone, leave it as is. If it's your phone and you are sick of it and it doesn't meet your expectations, sell it while it's sparkling new, to be able to get as much money off it, add some quids and get a real phone.
I will be less active on this wildfire subform, so I wish you happy buzzing days to come.
N.
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sorry to hear that. However, although HD2 is not the latest phone, I would love having an HD2 because you can have dual boot with Windows Phone 7 and Android, as well as WM.
Enjoy. At least you stay on android!
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The hd2 is old but it is still one of the best phones around thanks to xda
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You could always stay on wildfire and hd2 like i do withthe tab and wildfire (from a dev prospective the wildfire is better - no kies or odin or rfs nonsense)
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brilldoctor said:
The hd2 is old but it is still one of the best phones around thanks to xda
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Agreed. Talk about versatility.

nemuro said:
add some quids and get a real phone.
N.
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OMG the wildfire is a fake phone!!!
If it's not a real phone then what it's it? It's still a smartphone, just not a media oriented smartphone.please don't diss a phone just because it doesn't meet your expectations.
Yeah, there are better smartphones out there, with more bang for your buck and, hell, I'd love one, but I don't really need them.
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Alex_GP said:
OMG the wildfire is a fake phone!!!
If it's not a real phone then what it's it? It's still a smartphone, just not a media oriented smartphone.please don't diss a phone just because it doesn't meet your expectations.
Yeah, there are better smartphones out there, with more bang for your buck and, hell, I'd love one, but I don't really need them.
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I really agree with that!

Samsung galaxy s WiFi

Hey guys I have a HTC desire but it bad a poor gpu (great phone thou so I saw the galaxy s WiFi and it looks cool just a few questions
1 will any if the galaxy s devs be interested in developing for the device
2 is there a 5 inch version
3 is it worth it
Thanks
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Galaxy S II for u

dadyal said:
Galaxy S II for u
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I don't need a new phone just am android device and sgs WiFi looks the best
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Yet mean the galaxy ipod type thing?
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Nitin985 said:
Hey guys I have a HTC desire but it ghastly a poor gpu (great phone thou so I saw the galaxy s WiFi and it looks cool just a few questions
1 will any if the galaxy s devs be interested in developing for the device
2 is there a 5 inch version
3 is it worth it
Thanks
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1. yes
2. yes
3. no price announced yet

zorxd said:
1. yes
2. yes
3. no price announced yet
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Nice really want the 5 inch one to replace my ipod touch 4g.hopefully will be out by my birthday in may I would love one
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Yeah in my Opinion
HTC Desire or HD
or
Samsung galaxy s1/2
But i think Htc in future go like Apple for a society Phone. Because the last update for example Desire to Desire HD is like the "Taking-Money-Product-Update" from Apple.
Its my opinion of Viewing the things for now. It can be wrong but it acts for me so

U need this samsung, I suppose :
paste these in youtube:
Samsung Galaxy S WiFi 5.0, hands on at MWC 2011 - Test-Mobile.fr

madmax916sps said:
Yeah in my Opinion
HTC Desire or HD
or
Samsung galaxy s1/2
But i think Htc in future go like Apple for a society Phone. Because the last update for example Desire to Desire HD is like the "Taking-Money-Product-Update" from Apple.
Its my opinion of Viewing the things for now. It can be wrong but it acts for me so
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I have a desire and dhd was a big update not a small one and I dont need a new phone I prefer the sgs WiFi 5.0 since it will be cheaper
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k!pps said:
U need this samsung, I suppose :
paste these in youtube:
Samsung Galaxy S WiFi 5.0, hands on at MWC 2011 - Test-Mobile.fr
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Yep that is what I want
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Nitin985 said:
Hey guys I have a HTC desire but it bad a poor gpu (great phone thou so I saw the galaxy s WiFi and it looks cool just a few questions
1 will any if the galaxy s devs be interested in developing for the device
2 is there a 5 inch version
3 is it worth it
Thanks
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I bought a Galaxy S WiFi 5.0 last week.
My opinion, The TFT screen looks not well.

A few questions about the Samsung Galaxy S Wifi x: Playing content via PC speakers
Hi
It sounds as if you've got one of the "new" Samsung Galaxy S Wifi x media players - correct?
Can you tell me how you rate the device?
I'm not really interested in the screen as such since I plan to focus mainly on music and podcast play.
Also do you know any way that you can route the content on the player back out through PC speakers?
Lastly what if any, replacement music/podcasting apps did you select?
Thanks in advance.

I got one off of woot last month (YP-G70 5 inch, it's the Korean version). I like it quite a bit. At first, it felt too large, but I've warmed up to it.
For podcasts, I'm currently using doubleTwist. It's OK, but I'm wishing it was a little bit smarter. I'm replacing a Zune with this and I miss being able to open a podcast "folder" and click "Play all new." I wish it would track and indicate which episodes I've already player. I don't know if I like how it syncs with he doubleTwist desktop app. It seems a bit bare-bones.
There's also BeyondPod, which downloads podcasts directly to the device, but I didn't like it enough to pay $7 for it.
I'm also playing with Akimbo and MortPlayer for audiobooks. Not sure which I like more yet.

GCymbala said:
I got one off of woot last month (YP-G70 5 inch, it's the Korean version). I like it quite a bit. At first, it felt too large, but I've warmed up to it.
For podcasts, I'm currently using doubleTwist. It's OK, but I'm wishing it was a little bit smarter. I'm replacing a Zune with this and I miss being able to open a podcast "folder" and click "Play all new." I wish it would track and indicate which episodes I've already player. I don't know if I like how it syncs with he doubleTwist desktop app. It seems a bit bare-bones.
There's also BeyondPod, which downloads podcasts directly to the device, but I didn't like it enough to pay $7 for it.
I'm also playing with Akimbo and MortPlayer for audiobooks. Not sure which I like more yet.
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Thank you. Your comments were really helpful.
Could I press you a little further?
Do the Korean version have more onboard RAM? I also have a zune & I liked a lot of things about the software. Do you know if the Korean versions are available outside of Korea?
Thanks again.
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Netflix ripped but...

Doesn't stream on the Xoom...yet.
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The app is out there now its only a matter of time....
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Doesn't stream on the Xoom...yet.
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can't wait

There is a way to watch NetFlix on your androids. I'm using PlayOn and watching all my media sources on my Galaxy Tab. I did upgrade to Flash 10.2, don't know if it works on 10.1 Here's a link to the Flash update
PlayOn is available in the market for free 2 week trial, then 5 bucks a month. I'm watching my NetFlix on Evo4G as well.
Pro's: It works
Con's:
1. Buffers occasionally, but I have a slow connection. I would expect it to run without buffering timeouts on cable. Will test at a friends house this week and report back.
2. Have to download the server to a PC and thus the PC has to be running for it to work. Not convenient right now as I downloaded it to my laptop, but I plan to serve it from my home entertainment PC which can remain on round the clock.
3. Costs $5......I like free, LOL

It doesn't work on any phone yet, and there's a good chance it never will. It likely needs a hardware DRM verification before it will stream. Unless someone can hack that restriction out of it, which I assume would be quite difficult, then it will never work until they release an official version.

F play on. **** is annoying. id rather wait for the organic version. awww yayuhh

Just buy an ipad its cheaper and doesn't need to be ripped, torn, or anything else to play netflix.

It also has poor cameras, less RAM, less customization, will never allow Flash, and so on. Hardly a good trade off when a Netflix app will be out soon.
Dave
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sgtcasey said:
It also has poor cameras, less RAM, less customization, will never allow Flash, and so on. Hardly a good trade off when a Netflix app will be out soon.
Dave
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Its not a camera, has faster processor, flash sucks on phones and tablets, better gpu, netflix, hulu, movie rentals, real quality apps, best battery life, better form factor, and its complete. No need to mail in or update for sd card support.

falconeight said:
Its not a camera, has faster processor, flash sucks on phones and tablets, better gpu, netflix, hulu, movie rentals, real quality apps, best battery life, better form factor, and its complete. No need to mail in or update for sd card support.
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Yeah, I agree that there is no need to mail or update since it can't use LTE nor an SD card. Faster processor is just down right not true since they come stock at roughly the same speed and performance benchmarks, but the xoom can be overclocked to be 50% faster. Flash rocks on my phone and tablet so I don't know what your experience was. Android apps are cheaper and can do more. As for gpu, it will likely change with a software update but if not I prefer consoles or a PC for true 3D games.
Why is a crapple fanboy hanging around the xda xoom forums threadcrapping anyhow?
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Wow the majority of your posts here are all super-pro ipad with nothing good to say about the xoom. You had a xoom and you returned it. If you don't like it that's fine, but why stick around here? Trying to convince yourself you made a good decision? Give it a rest...
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Yep. Apple is not as good as they think they are.
Dave
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all I can say, is that apple did its great innovation, that was the original iphone.
whats new now, Faster does not mean inovation, a huge iphone is NOT inovation. and lets face it. the the 1g iphone and the 4g iphone is pretty much the same. yes, faster, a few new features, but not really anything new.

I watched netflix on my ipad 2 last night
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What are you doing in the android section any way.... I had all iPhones and I pad........... tired of their BS... android is so much more fun
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alex2792 said:
I watched netflix on my ipad 2 last night
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and I watched it on my evo

dadoc04 said:
and I watched it on my evo
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And i watched it on my 67 inch tv

Just-in-time said:
And i watched it on my 67 inch tv
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HAAHHAHAH!!! #winning
although you couldnt walk around or leave the house with it like I did...

Sirchuk said:
Yeah, I agree that there is no need to mail or update since it can't use LTE nor an SD card. Faster processor is just down right not true since they come stock at roughly the same speed and performance benchmarks, but the xoom can be overclocked to be 50% faster. Flash rocks on my phone and tablet so I don't know what your experience was. Android apps are cheaper and can do more. As for gpu, it will likely change with a software update but if not I prefer consoles or a PC for true 3D games.
Why is a crapple fanboy hanging around the xda xoom forums threadcrapping anyhow?
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Wow the majority of your posts here are all super-pro ipad with nothing good to say about the xoom. You had a xoom and you returned it. If you don't like it that's fine, but why stick around here? Trying to convince yourself you made a good decision? Give it a rest...
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LoL Don't worry about me worry about the product we are talking about. And not what is coming in the future lets talk about the product as is now.

falconeight said:
LoL Don't worry about me worry about the product we are talking about. And not what is coming in the future lets talk about the product as is now.
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ok.. Now its just a BIG iPhone.

falconeight said:
LoL Don't worry about me worry about the product we are talking about. And not what is coming in the future lets talk about the product as is now.
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a giant app drawer? we have that too, its revealed by a tiny button. The entire IOS "experience" is in a tiny button in the corner of our tablet... but no magnets!! Oh noes!