Now that Android can be installed from NAND, I had assumed that the problem with the screen only displaying 65k colors would be fixed. It still isn't, is there a known way to fix it or any progress being made to fix it? At the very least, is it known what the issue is? I thought it was a problem with WM utilizing only 65k of the screen and that carried over to android when it was run over WM, but now that WM is eliminated that's obviously not it. Anyone know?
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Now that Android can be installed from NAND, I had assumed that the problem with the screen only displaying 65k colors would be fixed. It still isn't, is there a known way to fix it or any progress being made to fix it? At the very least, is it known what the issue is? I thought it was a problem with WM utilizing only 65k of the screen and that carried over to android when it was run over WM, but now that WM is eliminated that's obviously not it. Anyone know?
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someone correct me if am wrong but is the screen hardware it self only capable of displaying 65K.
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someone correct me if am wrong but is the screen hardware it self only capable of displaying 65K.
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There was a discussion about this back in 2010: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807307
Some say its 262K. Others 265K or 16M. It's all very vague.
According to Microsoft its 262k
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/6/phones.aspx#detail=1366
I hope someone sheds some light on this, gradients look awful on my screen.
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I hope someone sheds some light on this, gradients look awful on my screen.
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Seriously, it's the only thing holding me back from using this phone full-time. You can see a great example of it in the widgets.
I agree, widgets look terrible, specifically news and weather widgets (genie.apk), power control, etc (anything with the black gradient background).
However, they only look bad on some launchers (on launcher pro, for example, with high quality scrolling turned on, widgets look exactly how they are meant to look - somehow launcher pro manages to 'smooth' the gradient).
I think this should be made a priority as the banding is very visible in many apps, and especially when watching videos on the device. It is very noticeable in the new gingerbread ROMs, which make use of more subtle gradients (take the notifications bar, the phone application for example) - fixing this issue would bring android on the HD2 up to a whole new level!
I'm going to do some digging and see what I can find...
i dont think we can improve the screen to much higher than what is meant to be.if you have a normal plasma tv.you cant watch 3d movies from it,because it was not intended for 3d.same thing with the hd2 screen.
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According to Microsoft its 262k
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/6/phones.aspx#detail=1366
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But isnt that always MS's way of looking at things, being conservative opposed to using the capabilities? MS has never used anything to its fullest capacity, they are always on the reserved side so to them less means better compatibility and less issues. I wouldnt go based on MS's articles or opinions, I think the best to answer the screen capability would be HTC - the maker.
But thats just my opinion.
For me, some sense builds look more colorful than others do.
is it possible that these builds make use of the displays capability?
Cause when I use Froyo everything seems to be paler and less colorful.
And its not just the wallpaper..
This is a concern of mine aswell, I hope it really is not a hardware limitation
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MS said that LEO suqqort 262k.
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I thought that limitation was just because that's all WM6.5 could handle. I'd be surprised if the screen couldn't handle 16.7million colours. It's just a standard TFT device after all.
Perhaps it comes down to drivers?
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Perhaps it comes down to drivers?
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Maybe it was regulated somewhere in IPL or SPL? Because we just use IPL, SPL and radio to boot android...
Related
http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-everything-is-different-now
As the Gizmodo article says on multitasking:
1. It has the ability.
2. we going to make sure that 3rd parties can bring their value to the user even when the app is not running. Live tiles are an example. Data feeds in the hubs are another example.
Which means that the multitasking will be different from what we know. As an example we now know the task manager and as on XP we now the window is back or minimized. On this only the core of the app will be active and will send the data to another UI (Tile) or to the HUB...
How free this will be??? We will see.
But if they limit it and it's not hackable than I will buy an iphone or Go to android...
They can't build a such strict OS when they have all these different HW platforms that need OEM SW on the BKGRD... How they will solve this??? Not to mention Mobile Phone providers...
So i believe we all panicking without a reason. But it's good in case they had Multitasking off... they have time to turn it on after seeing all these...
Didn't they made a survey??? They only asked iphone user's??? tststs
I don't think they want another VISTA on their Hand's...
Ah well, it'll never work properly on our HD's so we will all need new devices for Win7Mob.
Plus apps from WM 6.1 and 6.5 will not work
wont work?
Hi, I dont see any reason why it wont work on our HD's, there may be performance issues but it should work, you underestimate the power of the XDA cook...!
also, Later reports suggest that all apps will be backward compatible albeit with a UI change.
dont rule out win7 yet...!
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Hi, I dont see any reason why it wont work on our HD's, there may be performance issues but it should work, you underestimate the power of the XDA cook...!
also, Later reports suggest that all apps will be backward compatible albeit with a UI change.
dont rule out win7 yet...!
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The HD doesnt have a capacitative screen, required for Win7Mob. Slow cpu, and slow flash ram under minimum spec again.
I'm sure a light version of 7 could be ported, but it would be so slow, there wouldn't be any point in it.
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The HD doesnt have a capacitative screen, required for Win7Mob. Slow cpu, and slow flash ram under minimum spec again.
I'm sure a light version of 7 could be ported, but it would be so slow, there wouldn't be any point in it.
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only time will tell
"Which means that the multitasking will be different from what we know."
which sounds very much like notifcations like iphones do which is not really multi-tasking
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"Which means that the multitasking will be different from what we know."
which sounds very much like notifcations like iphones do which is not really multi-tasking
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Yes, that night be a problem for some people, there may be ways around this though, we'll have to wait and see or stick with 6.5
wp7 impossiple on hd even impossible on hd2
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wp7 impossiple on hd even impossible on hd2
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It's not "impossible" for the HD2, as it's going to be officially released for that phone.
Hi there...
I am searching for hours now...
I want a Flashlight-App that uses the "ultra bright" mode..
all apps I found only were "medium bright"...
if you ever used a Flashlight-App on HD2 on Windows-Mobile, you should know, what I am talking about.
Only App I found was nexus-one-torch.
I think it "takes photos" to make the dual-LEDs go maximum brightness, but the disadvantage is: it flickeres alot..
Anyone knows a Flashlight-App that uses maximum brightness of the dual-LED-Flash on the HD2 with Android?
Thank you!!
Greetings from Germany!
I like Tesla led. it seems pretty good...
But Tesla LED is not as bright as Windows-Mobile or "Nexus One Torch".
It does not utilize the maximum led-brightness. :/
Why would you need the Max LED flashlight?
Are you gonna setup a party xD!
I think that.. its useless.. the "one" (referred to the settings/drivers) we got now is awesome.. i can clearly see everything in my room when the lights are off.
Because the device is capable of such a brightness..
aaaand...
BECAUSE ITS COOL!
and you risk damaging your led lights...
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and you risk damaging your led lights...
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I ve runner N1 torch with High brightness for 40 minutes without any problem!
I to want to find an app like this, I miss the torch from WinMo.
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and you risk damaging your led lights...
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Uhm.. NO? Windows Mobile runs the maximum brightness with the standart HTC-Flashlight-App.. so definately: no!
=> Still searching an app!
have anybody found app? i also searched it for ages ....
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Uhm.. NO? Windows Mobile runs the maximum brightness with the standart HTC-Flashlight-App.. so definately: no!
=> Still searching an app!
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asphaltkiller said:
I ve runner N1 torch with High brightness for 40 minutes without any problem!
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You risk destroying the LED's, they will burn out.
It doesn't matter what your own personal experiences are, they will break. Think of it like staring into a laser and not seeing instant visual disruption. It'll happen, just give it time and it'll mess things up.
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You risk destroying the LED's, they will burn out.
It doesn't matter what your own personal experiences are, they will break. Think of it like staring into a laser and not seeing instant visual disruption. It'll happen, just give it time and it'll mess things up.
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Everything breaks eventually my friend. I admit it may shorten the leds life span but some might not care because they wont use their phone for years and years. I personally have been using high mode on my nexus one for over a year and its still going
If you need something brighter than tesla, wouldn't it make sense to just use a maglite? Phones are great for minor conveniences, but just like the cameras, if i wanted top quality photos, i'd buy a digital camera not try to squeeze quality out of an inferior cel phone cam. Same with the flashlight, great if u drop ur keys at night, not so much if you're trying to light up your whole backyard or something.
-HD2 Android-
i dont think the torch app really uses the brightest setting.
i think its a matter of being properly programmed/optimized for hd2.
You could try Mag Flashlight, it has two brightness levels, but I'm not sure if it can use dual LED
yeah i remember the stock Hd2 flashight was WAY brighter, it puts the ones on android to shame, i want it back!
Yes, I've downloaded all available flashlight apps on the android market for my htc hd2, and NONE of them have matched to the htc hd2's windows mobile version. That particular version had 3 settings, low medium and high. All of the android flashlight apps seem to match the MEDIUM setting that the windowsmobile version was able to output.
Can someone port or write an android app that's nearly identical to the stock htc hd2's flashlight app that had 3 settings, without the annoying 5 second demo animation at the beginning on how to use it? That third setting (high) was KILLER, and impressed all of my friends as to the htc hd2's dual led true potential!
Same here, anyone have found any program with full bright?
HERE IT IS! (well i think its it. IDK)
okay so i pulled this off my typhoon CM7. its the "Torch" app. it has a high brightness setting as well as a strobe feature. (i have my mini raves XD)
its in apk format.
put it in sdcard, use a file explorer to locate it and install it. it should work.
btw i forgot. if it works hit the thanks button have a good day.
Unfortunately, like everyone is saying even the one that you pulled from the typhoon (althought it says it is the highest possible setting) is not the brightest setting that WM was able to achieve. Anyone else still looking for this like me? If someone who knows what they are doing could do this, it would be awesome!
For those that don't understand why we want this, you haven't used the WM LED flashlight long enought. I actually have great stories that goes along with the brightness of HD2 flashlight in WM (from everyone envying me at concerts to saving a bunch of us in the middle of the woods after the sun went down in the middle of a hike that went wrong =P).
Since the HD2 has a 265k color display, why do we not take advantage of it since WinMo is gone?
When WinMo starts, the OS soft limitation is 65k colors and it stays that way even when loading android from SD card.
Once you flash NAND, WinMo limitation is gone... So why doesn't anyone update the drivers to allow 265k, maybe compare the HD2 drivers to a phone similar to it with 265k unlocked?
I mean you can definitely tell a difference unless you are blind.. No hard feelings...
One way to tell is looking at the notification bar when you open it, the notification's background look bad but when you take a screenshot and view it on your pc, it looks perfect.
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Since the HD2 has a 265k color display, why do we not take advantage of it since WinMo is gone?
When WinMo starts, the OS soft limitation is 65k colors and it stays that way even when loading android from SD card.
Once you flash NAND, WinMo limitation is gone... So why doesn't anyone update the drivers to allow 265k, maybe compare the HD2 drivers to a phone similar to it with 265k unlocked?
I mean you can definitely tell a difference unless you are blind.. No hard feelings...
One way to tell is looking at the notification bar when you open it, the notification's background look bad but when you take a screenshot and view it on your pc, it looks perfect.
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its possible i suppose,howver HD2 has same sceen as EVO,both pump out 65k,dont think there users are running at 265k but i have been testing NAND Desire HD rom with screen on Full res,is slightly brighter and colours stand out a little more than when it was booting up from SD,you woulda needed it full res from SD and Nand to notice a slight difference tho,at the end of the day its only TFT Lcd,if you compare it with a Amoled,youll deffinently notice
My girlfriend has a galaxy s.. Do yoi know how jealous I am because of her screen.. Makes me want to downgrade.... Yes I said downgrade lol..
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Under WP6.5 they tell about 65k color depth - okay, I don't mind anymore
But: is this the WP limit and or hardware based.
I ask because under Android (MIUI) sometimes I see color artifacts at pictures wich I dont have at the same picture on my pc.
So what do we get from this fabulous phone?
The color depth is hardware based.
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Thanks - and is it the 65k or more?
I've heard the screen supports 16M colours, n_hoss once posted a link to tech specs (I believe 't was on the official HTC site). The crappy colour gradients are quite eye-catching imo, so I'm definitely down for an upgrade!
im sure n_hoss only posted that our screen was capable of 262k? Please correct me if im wrong
Ricey
ricey1986 said:
im sure n_hoss only posted that our screen was capable of 262k? Please correct me if im wrong
Ricey
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You're absolutely right, I don't know why this 16M value keeps popping up in my head, I think I got it from Photoshop or something alike.
Here's the link hoss_n2 posted: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/6/phones.aspx#detail=1366
And for the record, link to the original thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807307
so we are finally with "480x800 (Screen colors: HW LCD supports 262K, OS support 65 K)"
ok - thx
Hey, ever since i moved from winmo to android, and now from android to wp7, i've always missed something from wm. That is, the flashlight. It seems the flashlights on both Android and WP7, don't use the full capacity of the leds. What i'm saying is that they're very, very weak compared to the WM one. I don't know if it could be possible to make an application that takes more advantage of the dual leds' capacity. If someone can, please do, cuz' that was one of the amazing things of the hd2.
Hellow
download link.http://rapidshare.com/files/446892862/Flashlight.xap
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Hellow
download link.http://rapidshare.com/files/446892862/Flashlight.xap
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Thank you, but:
It's the same as the one I've got, the purpose of this thread is seeing if anyone can make a flashlight that uses the full capacity of the leds, like on winmo, because, if you compare, winmo's flashlight is much much brighter.
hmmm i never experienced this.. Torch and TeslaLED both use the LED at an insane level of brightness. when you turn on super light in Torch it gets ridiculous! and i think the WP7 HTC Flashlight app from the HTC HUB is identical to the brightness of the WM6.5 one. i haven't done extensive testing, but i have never experienced any real differences. one click is still nice and illuminated where as the three clicks on and that sucker is bright
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hmmm i never experienced this.. Torch and TeslaLED both use the LED at an insane level of brightness. when you turn on super light in Torch it gets ridiculous! and i think the WP7 HTC Flashlight app from the HTC HUB is identical to the brightness of the WM6.5 one. i haven't done extensive testing, but i have never experienced any real differences. one click is still nice and illuminated where as the three clicks on and that sucker is bright
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I don't like the way you have to click through all the levels of brightness to get back to off with the wp7 flashlight. It would be better if you could set which brightness, then just push once for on and push again for off... not having to push to turn on, then push 3 more times to get it off, going through every level of brightness. What were they thinking when they designed that app? Am I missing some way to operate it differently?
dunno old boy but i only get 1 and bit of the LEDs light up, the bottom one comes on but barely.
Camera flash works fine however
Yeah exactly, its as if it used only one of the leds instead of the two
On winmo it was SO bright it was blinding.
On Android its brighter than WP7 but less than winmo.
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yes it is avaiable and free one one of the threads in HD2 running Windows 7, I have it working great. If I find the thread Ill post it.