dear administrator would it be possible to have a seperate thread for nand maybee as a sub catogary in android development, so we would have seperate "NAND" and "SD" threads
More likely the SD builds would fall into a subcategory as NAND becomes the standard as it is with all the other android phones.
There will be no need for a separate forum. If you read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894143 you can clearly see how new build threads have to be named so that you can clearly see what is for what with regards SD, SD RAM or NAND builds and kernels.
still would be nice not having to filter through tho
Do a search of this forum, titles only for [NAND] or [SD].....done.
Example for NAND: http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=54393021
whynot66 said:
dear administrator would it be possible to have a seperate thread for nand maybee as a sub catogary in android development, so we would have seperate "NAND" and "SD" threads
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Bunch of debbie downers... Whynot66 I say why not!!!??? Whats it hurt? Like organizing the threads would cause the world to end.
Have a good new year!
Sorry guys as of right now there will be no new forum with SD and Nand divided. Please use the "tagging system" provided in the How to Title your thread topic to learn an understand the topics titles and help you with the sorting of topics.
Typically I would probably close this thread but at the same time, I do think that it could also serve a purpose.
I'm going to add a poll and move this thread to HD2 Android General Discussion.
I don't think we should make another forum/sub forum for NAND builds. To be honest it's more hassel for the Devs/Cookers. Say if they want to maintain both their SD and NAND builds, get feedback from people, the burden will be heavier. Like Mdeejay, he has so much builds out already, if he makes a NAND version each one, then has to make a new thread for each one, and in a different forum, and he's gonna have to keep up with feedback for each thread.
Their is already to many subforums in the hd2 section. Most out of any other phone. Lets add an UBUNTU section too while were at it. Because that doesn't fit in any category. Vote is definitely NO
my argument is that there will be a lot of people sticking with the sd builds so they can keep winmob, there will be so many builds popping up [sd] [ram] and [nand] new posts and builds released if unpopular will soon disappear of the first few pages. and things will get confusing.
I highly doubt the rest of the cooks will even update any further builds for sd. They'll just leave them as is.
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I highly doubt the rest of the cooks will even update any further builds for sd. They'll just leave them as is.
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I hope that doesn't happen... there's still a lot of us that will still be using SD builds.
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Zara is right. I think a good majority of users will still want SD builds. One really good advantage of SD builds is the big amount of storage available, which I think many of us appreciate, well atleast us non-TMOUS HD2 users.
Either way a forum will always have unpopular threads/builds, which in our case, if unpopular, is probably a build which has a build that has not been updated in a long time or outdated.
Lets save ourselves the server space no? It's not hard to look at thread titles for SD, NAND or RAM is there?
Why not?
a NAND and SD forum wouldn't be hard and it would make those of us looking for just NAND way faster.
quit arguing just to argue unless you have a reason for NOT wanting it. not why search is so much better.
Organization is key to success
It might be organized but it's still a waste. Why can't Devs have simply one thread for both an SD and NAND build, or only one, instead of having to manage two threads? Is our stress of simply pressing a link or two and just viewing titles comparable to the stress of what Devs would have to go through?
Useless, useless idea. It will be no for me.
To much sub-forum would kill forum
Interesting that the most vocal are the naysayers but currently 76% of those voting say yes to separate forums....in the meantime my earlier post will show you how to setup a search on title for [Nand] and [SD]...you can also bookmark these searches so you would be able to pull up only nand posts or only sd posts already.
I don't see the point or reason to add another sub-forum to the already large list of sub-forums for the hd2, it might end up being convenient to some of us that don't want to have to read thru the titles of [NAND]/[SD]/[SD-RAM], but what is also going to create is more work for the devs that will have to monitor multiple threads and more threads for the mods to follow up on. I think the new label system is a great idea and I'm sure it will do the job of showing people what to look for, and like famewolf said it about how to search and bookmark threads, maybe he should make a thread showing people how to use the new labeling system when doing a search.
Count me in on it. I think it will be productive for those of us who wish to stick with SD. Already some devs are switching over to NAND and abandoning SD. Separating forums I believe would resolve this.
how will it create more work? its the same amount of threads either way just actually organized instead of the mess it is right now and the bigger one its going to become. besides a nand section there should also be a ram section as far as im concerned. and if its the devs that dont want to "create more work" for themselves then they should probably not release multiple builds. im all for as many builds as we can get of course but id sacrifice quantity for quality... wouldn't everybody? not to mention the same build made 3 different ways is nice and all but it seems kind of redundant. why not just make the best one of all 3 versions especially if you dont want to play tech support for them?
yeah ok we can get a headache and strain our eyes on the ever growing extra long string of capitol letters designating what something is in brackets or of course go a few more steps and search but having another sub forum is not exactly taxing work. if a mod or admin cant handle it then what are they possibly gonna do when a *gasp* new phone comes out or a different os becomes available to the hd2?!? this is a forum. forums are organized. i also run my own. i cant think of any reason why i wouldnt let users make a sub forum if it was called for. having 3 separate ways to install something all mixed up together is annoying. i cant even see how another sub would even get in the way of the people who dont want it. youd think people would vote to make it easier to find what they are looking for rather then continue the endless stream of usually snide "use the search" posts. i mean...im obviously gonna continue to use the forum but its either gonna be better or the same as it is. we dont even have a app section for android. not sure what makes us think we could get this too. on the other hand not sure why theres such resistance to it in the first place...
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LatinSilEighty said:
Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...
I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"
+1
I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.
+1 for this
me too! +1
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I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
RKnight1983 said:
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
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I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
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I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask
Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...
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I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
Ok so we know how people are going to be very excited about all this jazz working and alll that, but i noticed quite a few threads of crap already how about we keep this section looking good and not post rubbish threads such as these
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735692
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735787
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735751
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735735
I no its new and exciting but surely we can try and keep this looking good and make it easy to find answers, 99% of th questions that have been asked have already been answered here somewhere all you have to do is look in the main sticky and you will get you're answer, cmon lets not get all crazy on here now.
crap thread
The build works perfectly, but, the wind noise and the echo on the phones that call me are driving me mad.
I've flashed my rom plenty of times>
energy
elegancia
miri v17
Currently using miris, radio 2.10.50.26, and a class 4 card. Still, everybody complains about the noise and echo. Does anybody has any suggestions for trying to fix this? I've replicated darkstone's setup but can't get rid of this two issues. When those two issues are fixed, android will be a full time replacement for winmo.
Seriously I give up on you lot
I'm getting robot voice, GSOD, Boot cycling, segfaults, broken htc sense
my setup is...
O wait ya, WRONG PLACE FOR THIS KINDA CRAP THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED UP INSTEAD OF POSTED
I agree with you. For topics that already have somewhere to get the information, mods should post a quick link, say search, give 'em a light slap on the wrists the first time, and lock the thread.
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
Stoferr said:
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
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For now, it would probably be best to just have mods clean it up better, maybe a dedicated mod or two. With only 2 cooks right now for HD2 android, and only 2-3 cooks with light Winmo+android roms, kinda don't need their own forum as of yet.
Really, it just needs to be cleaned up. And personally I think there are too few threads per page, but that's just me. I'm the kinda person who doesn't check page 2.
i have a feeling velayo's post is intentional
With NAND seeming to be so close I wanted to start a poll as to where an HD2 NAND Development forum should be. My personal belief is that it should be under the parent "HTC Leo: HD2" forum, on it's own and not under this forum "HD2 Android Development". I think this way so that it keeps actual future "Flashed" versions seperate from the current dual-boot versions we use right now.
Thoughts?
P.s.
I'm a big boy, and expect to be flamed as I'm sort of a noob but please see this for what it is... a poll and suggestion to start a new forum in the near future.
I think there should be a forum on its own in the future AFTER NAND is developed, if not we will have a lot of bricked newbies.
So, before this thread gets deleted - let me say that this forum will most likely become the nand development forum once efforts arrive at that.
If you think about it, the dev team and testers working on that aspect of android for the hd2 most likely have a robust method of team communication already in place amongst themselves and would probably be more distracted by the forum signal to noise ratio, and really, who cares about running droid off an SD card when methods to run it from nand become/are available?
motoman234 said:
I think there should be a forum on its own in the future AFTER NAND is developed, if not we will have a lot of bricked newbies.
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Completely agree, definitely AFTER.
There's no need to have a separate forum. This one is plenty big enough to handle all actual HD2 android development posts if all the posts that don't belong here (this poll for exemple) are posted in the general android forum.
I agree that mostly everything with become NAND in the future, but I also think it will take awhile for developers to completely move to NAND. Some people are not going to use NAND at all, they prefer dual boot. So in my opinion there will be both floating around for awhile at least.
buzz killington said:
There's no need to have a separate forum. This one is plenty big enough to handle all actual HD2 android development posts if all the posts that don't belong here (this poll for exemple) are posted in the general android forum.
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Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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That's what the forum stickies are for
Also, it seems to me that even with all of the FAQ, stickies, and what have you here at xda, there STILL seems to be an abundance of "help i kilt my phone' posts pretty much in every sub forum in fact LOL
same forum - and gl finding any chefs wanting to make sd stuff when they can cook roms to flash right onto the phones internal storage - fast, clean....
Let me put it this way, if you've been around here long enough you know that most rom chefs have that competitive spirit...that is, each individual is always looking to be the fastest, most stable, most desired rom at xda.
Bud, if a nand flash lets me cook roms that are even a fraction faster and more stable than running off sd and dual boot, guess where I'm gonna spend my valuable cooking time?
jus sayin
zkid2010 said:
That's what the forum stickies are for
Also, it seems to me that even with all of the FAQ, stickies, and what have you here at xda, there STILL seems to be an abundance of "help i kilt my phone' posts pretty much in every sub forum in fact LOL
same forum - and gl finding any chefs wanting to make sd stuff when they can cook roms to flash right onto the phones internal storage - fast, clean....
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Your definitely right about people always asking for help (No matter what) but ive heard quite a few people say that there sticking with dual boot. I guess we will have to see, im sure if NAND runs incredibly great it will change there minds.
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Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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Do you really think the developers will write a loader to write a haret version of android into flash?
motoman234 said:
Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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if you don't know how to work ur microwave, you probably wanna dig up the manual and read it first before you use it.
same crap different pile. people who brick their device because they don't do their own research only have themselves to blame
NAND should have its own subforum
Completely agree.
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NAND should have its own subforum
Completely agree.
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totally agreee
CrazyEye said:
NAND should have its own subforum
Completely agree.
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yes, dedicated subforum .....
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lacusxharo said:
if you don't know how to work ur microwave, you probably wanna dig up the manual and read it first before you use it.
same crap different pile. people who brick their device because they don't do their own research only have themselves to blame
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Yes, yes, I agree. But unfortunately a lot of newbs don't do there research first, which is there own fault. But I think the idea of XDA is to make it as simple as possible. Only time will tell, I just think there will be never ending questions if nand and dual boot are mixed. But who knows.
Makes sense as soon as there is a NAND version. Not before IMO
So, shoot the noob
hav0c said:
Makes sense as soon as there is a NAND version. Not before IMO
So, shoot the noob
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Well there is going to be the FIRST nand version for HD2 with in 24 hours
imho it should be best to divide the forums like this
HD2
---HD2 General
---HD2 WinMo Q&A
---HD2 Android Q&A
---HD2 ROM Windows Development
----General talk (No roms inhere)
------Themes
------Apps
------Games
---HD2 Android Development
-----General talk (No roms inhere)
---------Themes
--------- Apps
--------- Games
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------Winmo vs. Android comparison (only facts, no bs)
this would make things so much easier in search maybe ppl. wouldn't make so much unnecessary threads
HectiQ said:
imho it should be best to divide the forums like this
HD2
---HD2 General
---HD2 WinMo Q&A
---HD2 Android Q&A
---HD2 ROM Windows Development
----General talk (No roms inhere)
------Themes
------Apps
------Games
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-----General talk (No roms inhere)
---------Themes
--------- Apps
--------- Games
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------Winmo vs. Android comparison (only facts, no bs)
this would make things so much easier in search maybe ppl. wouldn't make so much unnecessary threads
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like this idea , totally agreement ... but we'll see what is coming in future
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I think there should be a forum on its own in the future AFTER NAND is developed, if not we will have a lot of bricked newbies.
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Can't agree more...
First of, HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!!!
I was wondering if we could have a new thread dedicated to NAND ROMS. It would make searching easier and less confusing keeping the SD and NAND builds in different threads, or maybe even a new Sub-Forum.
Claus
clauswl said:
First of, HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!!!
I was wondering if we could have a new thread dedicated to NAND ROMS. It would make searching easier and less confusing keeping the SD and NAND builds in different threads, or maybe even a new Sub-Forum.
Claus
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Sounds good to me.
agree
Sounds like a great Idea
Yes that'll be great !!!!!!!
- Android Development :
1.- Nand Builds
2.- SD Builds
I agree. Sure we could just type NAND into the search box, but this way would be much easier.
I think it is not necessary, because sooner or later all builds will be NAND builds.
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I think it is not necessary, because sooner or later all builds will be NAND builds.
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I don't think, that there will be no sd builds in the future.
Both methods have their advantages and a lot of people want to have their winmo as a backup system.
clauswl said:
First of, HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!!!
I was wondering if we could have a new thread dedicated to NAND ROMS. It would make searching easier and less confusing keeping the SD and NAND builds in different threads, or maybe even a new Sub-Forum.
Claus
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I have already discussed this with the site Administrator. It was decided to implement the new thread tagging system instead of creating new separate forums. So far it's working well and therefore we really don't see a need to create the new forums.
We'll see how things play out in the next few weeks. I plan to revisit this subject and make a more permanent decision when that time comes.
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I have already discussed this with the site Administrator. It was decided to implement the new thread tagging system instead of creating new separate forums. So far it's working well and therefore we really don't see a need to create the new forums.
We'll see how things play out in the next few weeks. I plan to revisit this subject and make a more permanent decision when that time comes.
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I second that. The tagging system is much easyer as long the developers rember it ;-)
Deathevn said:
I don't think, that there will be no sd builds in the future.
Both methods have their advantages and a lot of people want to have their winmo as a backup system.
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+1
love dual even triple or more boot phone
so what i have seen
so before nand i was usuing sd superrams and they were insanely faster i thought battire life was some what better being most of them are non sense.. super ram as long as i wasnt connected to wifi or 3g and nothing updateing by its self i could prolly get a good 4 hours with just playing games and downloading stuff and such. but it would kill my batt. now with nand im setting it up for the last hour or so downloading and such and its still holding really strong im using mdjs gingerbread build. i was usuing the same as super ram.. so seeing both buildes i think nand is a better choice it just feels like its stronger haveing android on it.. i thinks thats the best i could describe it
dharvey4651 said:
I have already discussed this with the site Administrator. It was decided to implement the new thread tagging system instead of creating new separate forums. So far it's working well and therefore we really don't see a need to create the new forums.
We'll see how things play out in the next few weeks. I plan to revisit this subject and make a more permanent decision when that time comes.
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The fla I saw with the tagging system that some NAND builds might get lost among the pages due to older dates. I already have overlooked some builds that way, especially builds that load in both SD and NAND (i.e. JDMS' build).
Thanks for looking into it,again, Happy new year to the Mods and Builders, and everyone else. Awesome job and great recourced on the XDA website!
Claus
Thank You!
Thank you moderators for creating a NAND forum! Everything is much more organized and easier to find now.
Claus
clauswl said:
First of, HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!!!
I was wondering if we could have a new thread dedicated to NAND ROMS. It would make searching easier and less confusing keeping the SD and NAND builds in different threads, or maybe even a new Sub-Forum.
Claus
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I'm with you on the NAND build forum...it would make sense...this will also ease the confusion when discussingbuild specific bugs...keep it all in one place.
If any of the forum mods are reading this, can we please look into, or possibly even put into effect a structured dev forum the way the HD2 community has? Everything is clean, uniform and organized.
I think this would help out everyone. Any new threads, or anything should follow the same rules. etc. here's a link to their dev forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=928
Hd 2 different animal, you have winmo 6.xx section, then you have windows 7 section, then you have android section and meego..etc. Totally different format. What would be nice is to have the postings tagged so whatever the version is 2.1 2.2 or 2,21 or 2.3... it was organized that way. But, I asked this question and according to the Moderator they system can't do that and they do not have time to do it manually........... so there you have it...........
I'll keep an eye on this to see what other opinions are floating about, but oka1 has said it all really!
If there are any great ideas, then do post them and we can flag them for the admin to consider.
It would be better as OK1 suggested if we had the development thread divided by the versions. But to be honest, it ain't that difficult to post or find a thread here. All good.
The moderators can't do anything about how messy our forum is, we can and there won't be enough of us to help with the "cause" so might as well end it here... i do like oka1's idea though.
Well like oak said, to add the tags, but my idea was mainly to keep the format ie:
[kernel/ROM/mod][updated date][version][name of rom/kernel][o/c no o/c etc][anything else]
and to make it mandatory, i think a little order would bring some more maturity to things... if everything is unorganized and chaotic then the way people act will be likewise (in my opinion of course)
and as far as not EVERYONE doing it, those that don't update their roms will slowly fade into the pages thus not being brought back up, but i do believe most of the roms/kernels that are active right now the devs do care about them, and the new format is not something that should be taken as a "bad" thing, but something again to bring some order to such a young group of viewers.
now again this is my own opinion, feel free to have your own, but please be mature about it.
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The moderators can't do anything about how messy our forum is, we can and there won't be enough of us to help with the "cause" so might as well end it here..
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your mentality on looking at things is very pessimistic, which is why if it doesn't work, where in lies the problem. inability to change and adapt to new things. Change is good, it keeps things fresh and interesting, nothing has been done or changed which i think in the end is hurting this sgs community.
nothing against you saying that you're "always" pessimistic, but that line was.