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Okay, before everyone starts flaming...I know that there are probably hundreds of thread in the Dream General section suggesting a support section or a "Support thread" but they have been incredibly unsuccessful and members are constantly reporting and starting new threads on their problems in Dream Android Development and in General. Isn't the whole point of GENERAL suppose to be GENERAL? And not a support area?
This is why I'm proposing that we create an entire new area for people to get help and for people to post their problems and give solutions. If you take a look at the amount of locked threads in development and the amount of threads in Dream General pertaining to the numerous amount of problems that people are having, you will understand. I understand that there is in fact a brick thread inside Dream Development, but people don't care. They just post it in random places and mods have to constantly remind people to post in the right place and to SEARCH! With this proposal, I believe that if a support section is created, people will be more likely to search in THERE because it's a special place set aside for just that, SUPPORT.
Mods please take this into consideration and don't lock this thread. How many of you think that we should have a support section and not clutter Dream General and Dream Development with hundreds of two post threads talking about bricks and eventually them getting locked or moved to the trash within seconds.
Thanks for reading this. Comment in the posts below
Thanks to Milestone for a list of good reasons why we should have a support section! thanks milestone!
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realize to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Everyone here with a few exceptions i'm sure are using a rooted phone. If you noticed, each thread that contains a ROM will also provide support for that ROM. Most of the problems are specific to each rom. So there would need to be a support thread for each ROM released in a seperate forum section, which already exists in the developer section. Also, each rom released is pretty much a beta and will always remain a beta because there is no standards to which these roms are created and no "end point" to the development, its always on going. And unique bugs and problems will always occure with each Rom. So it is a continual part of development to post, read about and repair those bugs and problems to make each Rom better. I don't think a support section needs to be created. I just think people need to be less lazy and use the search tools. Even bricked phones are being bricked by a specific rom...or SPL or what have u and again should fall under development since most bricked phones was because of a bad SPL or bug in a ROM . And if it is not specific to anything that has been created or released here...Tmobile DOES have their own support forums =)
Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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No, and T-Mobile won't be able to support the myriad of problems that come with rooted phones and custom ROMs anyway.
The sad fact (and why this idea has never really taken off) is that no matter what you do; stickies/wikis/locked threads/temp bans etc... there is always going to be a host of fng's that don't know any better and will continue to post out of context and out of laziness.
Hell, there's a couple people that straight up know better and will still post in the wrong section because "nobody's gonna be able to help me in the Dream forum, so I'm posting here anyway."
It would seem you can't change human nature, so you're forced to moderate. Or so I've decided.
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
tep065 said:
You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Yeah there's a forum for the Magic/Sapphire but the ION has not really been officially launched, but when it does I'm sure XDA will create another forum for it. I still think a support section would be a good idea. Most other forums have something like that, however this one does not. Just my opinion
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Good list. Updated OP
So, I've been thinking about this a bit more... and drinking bombay/tonic and shots of patron, so take it with a grain of salt...hehe
Anyway, I actually think it could be useful at this point. Seeing all the troubleshooting threads in this forum, it could be useful to seperate truly general things with support related things.
The way I see it, at this moment:
Dream (26 Viewing)
Dream android development (237 Viewing)
Dream accessories (2 Viewing)
Dream themes and wallpapers (25 Viewing)
Dream applications and games (23 Viewing)
Obviously, development gets all the attention.
That's the main reason so many people go straight there to get a question answered.
However; a support thread probably wouldn't see any less visitors than the other 4 threads and certainly more than the accessories thread. I dare say, accessories could be merged with general and be replaced with support.
It wouldn't hurt to have a handful of stickies of current support issues and an entire thread dedicated to it. Maybe having a thread that floated to the top in development called support that tried to redirect people to a support forum might work well.
Anyway, just a thought. Back to the tequila...
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Agreed =] I'm thankful for everyone commenting in this thread and keeping it alive. Come on guys, don't PRETEND you DON'T want a suppport section. Aren't all of you tired of the cluttered threads and the people telling you to sift through 300 page threads for answers? With this support section, finding an answer should be a breeze. I'm proposing we have sepeerate threads in the section for different ROMs and to post known problems and known solutions in the OPs. Let your opinions be heard! Going to go ahead and bump this up there. Come on! Comment! and vote in the poll
Hi everyone.
Since T-mobile´s version of HD2 is pretty different from the orginal HD2 and it requires a different rom, why not create a subforum only for this version? ..since it might get pretty messy with both types of rom mixed together in the same forum....
Some of the differences between HD2 and T-mobile HD2 version:
T-Mobile:
Radio - WCDMA/HSPA 1700/2100MHz
RAM: 576MB
ROM: 1GB
Standard version:
Radio - WCDMA/HSPA 900/2100MHz
RAM: 448MB
ROM: 512MB
and flashing it with the other rom might damage the phone! so yeah...
Just a thought...
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Claus
yes would like to see that
It would be nice. However I think it would depend on the developers. They probably don't want to maintain 2 threads if their rom supports both version.
Maybe someone could build a master list of their roms and sort them and maintain that list. Either in a thread here or google spreadsheet.
Yes I'd like that it'd be better i must say
Its an awful idea! If you split it into two different sections it would be much more difficult for someone to support both. In most cases someone would pick one or the other.. aka less rom's.
I disagree because there is too little to justify a whole new forum. If it was drastically different like CDMA and GSM then that would be necessary, but since they are both GSM, and the differences can be "easily solved" then we would just have to see which DEV supports which version in their own appropriate thread.
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I disagree because there is too little to justify a whole new forum. If it was drastically different like CDMA and GSM then that would be necessary, but since they are both GSM, and the differences can be "easily solved" then we would just have to see which DEV supports which version in their own appropriate thread.
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I think a new subforum would help. I only say this because there is danger of bricking your device if you flash the wrong ROM. That seems like a good enough reason to me. I'm sure there are other minor reasons at well that might not be known about yet.
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard, since most of the roms out now won't work with TMOUS, its only right we have a sub-forum, It's a great IDEA
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
start a poll if they see enough people they will do it, I did the same thing in the tp2 for Android and once we got 100 votes they did it.
Oh well, it's the "I'm more important than others" mentality again.
It wouldn't be difficult for the devs to state which ROM is suitable for the T-Mob version, no need for another subforum, for more duplicate threads to maintain.
kenkiller said:
Oh well, it's the "I'm more important than others" mentality again.
It wouldn't be difficult for the devs to state which ROM is suitable for the T-Mob version, no need for another subforum, for more duplicate threads to maintain.
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first of all, what is the difference between a rom that works.. and one that doesn't?
and I don't think anyone has bricked their device by flashing a rom.. thats only when they flash the wrong hspl.
and I'd just like to say once again that making a new sub-forum is an awful idea.
We do not need a new forum. Thanks.
that's a great idea! vote for yes
t69broken said:
start a poll if they see enough people they will do it, I did the same thing in the tp2 for Android and once we got 100 votes they did it.
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foney said:
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
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EXACTLY! Thats my whole point to not agreeing with the separate sub forum. Since they are almost exactly the same, just different sized NAND space, and radio antennas, the "different" shape happens to all HTC phones when they are sent to US carriers, different colors, button styles. That right there never gets separate sub forums in any of the other device sections, unless different cellphone technologies are involved, like with CDMA or GSM.
No new forum should be added, since well, to much more work for something thats not needed.
foney said:
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
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The key word is IF.
Suppose they don't label the thread properly which DOES happen every once in a while and it could be bad.
~~Tito~~ said:
EXACTLY! Thats my whole point to not agreeing with the separate sub forum. Since they are almost exactly the same, just different sized NAND space, and radio antennas, the "different" shape happens to all HTC phones when they are sent to US carriers, different colors, button styles. That right there never gets separate sub forums in any of the other device sections, unless different cellphone technologies are involved, like with CDMA or GSM.
No new forum should be added, since well, to much more work for something thats not needed.
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The MyTouch and G1 are essentially the same phone in different packaging and they have their own forums and most of the ROMs are designed for both. It just makes for a cleaner forum.
dornstar said:
The MyTouch and G1 are essentially the same phone in different packaging and they have their own forums and most of the ROMs are designed for both. It just makes for a cleaner forum.
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That is wrong my friend. They are not. They have shared ROMs is because the SPL's are almost the same, they are different devices.
This is completely different from that.
dornstar said:
The key word is IF.
Suppose they don't label the thread properly which DOES happen every once in a while and it could be bad.
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I could be wrong, but who's HD2 was bricked from flashing the wrong ROM?
I know I've heard of a few from flashing the wrong HSPL, but I haven't seen even one about the wrong rom..
The key here is that, people need to read, and its not that hard to label a thread. Plain and simple, more complication isn't necessary. I know separation for different devices is important, for the same device, it shouldn't be needed.
We all know that american cellphone carriers always have European phones changed to fit their needs. Here they upped the ROM size, and made the phone 1mm taller for some reason. THAT is nothing really different.
I don't see a point to this forum. I don't see other devices with carrier variances with a separate forum. It only fragments the process of finding a ROM, and if a ROM chief for the European HD2 wants to develop for the US version, they should just mark their thread accordingly. Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
Close or delete if needed, this is just IMO.
~~Tito~~ said:
I don't see a point to this forum. I don't see other devices with carrier variances with a separate forum. It only fragments the process of finding a ROM, and if a ROM chief for the European HD2 wants to develop for the US version, they should just mark their thread accordingly. Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
Close or delete if needed, this is just IMO.
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not everyone is as smart as you. Some people are real reading dumb ass's. This is good because noobs dont have this site down and it makes it easier for everyone trying to find the right rom.
The reason why there is a separate forum for the TMo HD2 is because the TMo HD2 is physically different to the other ones, it has double the ROM and two are incompatible with each other's ROMs. If you remember older HTC phones where the ROM was double (e.g. Elf and Elfin) the ROMs were actually compatible with each other and there wasn't the risk of people flashing the wrong one and completely bricking their device.
Leddy said:
The reason why there is a separate forum for the TMo HD2 is because the TMo HD2 is physically different to the other ones, it has double the ROM and two are incompatible with each other's ROMs. If you remember older HTC phones where the ROM was double (e.g. Elf and Elfin) the ROMs were actually compatible with each other and there wasn't the risk of people flashing the wrong one and completely bricking their device.
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Yeah, but look at the G1 and the MyTouch. Both have different Ram sizes and SPLs from their European counterparts. No separate forums there.
Everyone survives there, and those who don't is because they don't read.
If it keeps the TMOUS guys here and out of the other forums, then that's great for everyone
I have a TMo HD2, but dont know if it is USA or not....
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Yeah, but look at the G1 and the MyTouch. Both have different Ram sizes and SPLs from their European counterparts. No separate forums there.
Everyone survives there, and those who don't is because they don't read.
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Uh. Yeah, there kind of is a separate forum for the G1 and MT3G. But there, G1 ROMs simply work on a MT3G. Here, you can potentially brick your phone by flashing a ROM not meant for a TMOUS HD2 to it. There's a big difference.
also you are comparing two different OS's.
HD2 = WinMo
MyTouch & G1 = Android
big difference on how things work and are done.
im pretty experienced with this site, over a year and i read and read but its nothing like having the info right in front, it was hell trying to figure out how to flash my my tmo hd2, thanx to NRGZ28 for a compatible Rom, and trying to figure which roms are compatible, i like this forum and i hope it remains open and useful..
just my 2cents
HackMimic said:
also you are comparing two different OS's.
HD2 = WinMo
MyTouch & G1 = Android
big difference on how things work and are done.
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My point is, is that the differences aren't really different. lol
I think this will only cause more confusions, because some people still wont read lol.
Ofcourse you dont see a point of this forum, because you dont have Tmo US HD2.
What's the problem? If you have a European HD2, ignore this forum, as you can't use what's in anyway. If you've got a US HD2, ignore the other one, as you can't use what's in anyway. Sounds easy, no? There's more than enough mess and activity in the general ROM forum, it's not a bad thing to keep it a bit cleaner and at the same time avoiding confusion of people not clearly stating/reading what their thread applies to. Now if people are too dumb to go in the right forum, there's really nothing we can do for them
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Ofcourse you dont see a point of this forum, because you dont have Tmo US HD2.
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lol Leave him alone his Mommy said no lol, don't kick a kid when he's down.
I'm down for a separate forums if it helps, and in this case because there are a few important differences between the Euro version and the USA that could be the difference in bricking your phone or not, not to mention it keeps the unwanted clutter out of other forums, and there's nothing wrong with making this more easily accessible.
In my case I'm just learning to fux with WinMo, and I hate having to search for shiz all the time(not because I'm lazy it just feels like starting all over again, coming from Android) The harder it is to find the longer it takes. It makes it a little easier for those of us that are either coming from another platform, or are just trying to figure everything out
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Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
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MyTouch and Magic forums are seperated.
(US) G1/MyTouch 3g = 32B
(non-US) Magic / Sapphire = 32A
MyTouch ROM are generally posted in the g1 forum because the have the same 32B board. Magic ROMs (non-US) are in the Magic/Sapphire forum.
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I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
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Is this not the same with any forum?
BlackElvis79 said:
MyTouch and Magic forums are seperated.
(US) G1/MyTouch 3g = 32B
(non-US) Magic / Sapphire = 32A
MyTouch ROM are generally posted in the g1 forum because the have the same 32B board. Magic ROMs (non-US) are in the Magic/Sapphire forum.
Is this not the same with any forum?
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YEAH WHAT HE SAID LOL!!
Not to mention Android forums are a little bit, how can i say it not better organized but almost like a little easier to navigate, most of the info is in the name of the post, WinMo stuff almost seems a little over complicated, I'm not complaining but there nothing wrong with making the forums a little bit more navigate-able. lol
Either way speaking of clutter and useless posts, you've obviously been out numbered, and I think more people are up for a separate forum for the TmoUS HD2 so this discussion has become kinda pointless? whats done is done and it helps in one way or another. Just wait till you get your HD2 (if you even want one anymore by May) and you'll see how much easier this separate forum has made your life
Its simple...
If you flash a ROM that is not based ont 2.10 you would brick your deivce, especially if there is a Radio included in the ROM that is not compitable to the USA device.
Not everyone is aware of the fact that a Radio ROM would brick the device if its not build for your deivce. I am not ashamed to say that I bricked my first T-Mo USA deivce after flashing a 6.5.5 ROM which had a different Radio that was not compitable to my device. With my experience I should have known better, porbably I was over confident. Tankfully, I went and exchanged my device claiming ignorance on my part on why the device stopped working.
If I could do this mistake, I am sure noobs are more likely to do that. Having a sub-forum for device specific ROMs is not a bad thing. All the chefs are coming out with ROMs and are clearly mentioning that it IS safe for a T-Mo USA device.
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
It's like flashing a Rohidum ROM on a Hd2 (probably a bit over kill )
So let it be...
VizagDude said:
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
It's like flashing a Rohidum ROM on a Hd2 (probably a bit over kill )
So let it be...
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Agree... This is very similar to separate forums created for the purpose of CDMA versus GSM.. to keep fewer n00bs (there will still be some) from bricking their HD2s.
If you have a TMOUS HD2, come here. If not, go to the other forum.
What's the problem?
LOL at the replys.
I do see the point but, I think there shouldn't be the need. Although, I remember when all the idiots who just found out about "ROOT" when they came to the G1 forum, and there where plenty who bricked because they couldn't read.
Anyways, I do [and don't] think there should be a need for this. There will be more consumer users since T-Mobile USA has them, and more idiot questions will arise then in the time before the EU HD2 came out. The main reason I am against this is that people tend to stay in one area that is already established and when they do have 2 threads, one of them doesn't get maintained as much.
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LOL at the replys.
I do see the point but, I think there shouldn't be the need. Although, I remember when all the idiots who just found out about "ROOT" when they came to the G1 forum, and there where plenty who bricked because they couldn't read.
Anyways, I do [and don't] think there should be a need for this. There will be more consumer users since T-Mobile USA has them, and more idiot questions will arise then in the time before the EU HD2 came out. The main reason I am against this is that people tend to stay in one area that is already established and when they do have 2 threads, one of them doesn't get maintained as much.
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I edited my original post because it was a little harsh. (actually edited twice because I keep sounding like a jackass)
Do you have an HD2? I'm guessing not because you seem to take a lot of pride in your sig (being as massive as it is). Just a tip, your sig makes you sound like a spoiled little brat, hence why no one takes you seriously.
I believe this forum right not can confuse the new people and make the others pissed off. The tags are all random right now. Why wasn't it asked to the community if this is a good idea? Instead it was "I". Come on now.
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I believe this forum right not can confuse the new people and make the others pissed off. The tags are all random right now. Why wasn't it asked to the community if this is a good idea? Instead it was "I". Come on now.
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I agree The Dev forums are now more difficult to read. I'm not new to the community(not that you can tell that by my posts), but even I am getting a bit confused reading through the posts.
Dude, you should only be posting dev projects in here not your general discussions.
The forums were previously split and have now been rejoined as it did more harm then good. I just cant see how its "confusing" to anybody with common sense.
If you have a CDMA device you only need the CDMA roms, and if you have a GSM device then you want the GSM roms, simple.
Reporting post as its in wrong place.
PS. rating your own thread 5 starts is sad.
TheATHEiST said:
Dude, you should only be posting dev projects in here not your general discussions.
The forums were previously split and have now been rejoined as it did more harm then good. I just cant see how its "confusing" to anybody with common sense.
If you have a CDMA device you only need the CDMA roms, and if you have a GSM device then you want the GSM roms, simple.
Reporting post as its in wrong place.
PS. rating your own thread 5 starts is sad.
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^^^^
this guy cracks me up....hes all like, im telling mom. why so damn anal? the topic had nothing to do with dev, you didnt even need to waste your time posting trying to correct someone.
im with the op, it WAS easier to navigate gsm/cdma split up. the ONLY reason it got brought back was because of this honeycomb crap...which looky there, it's primary devs are all cdma anyways. people complained after a cdma link ended up in a gsm thread...then they cry, oh WHYYYYY do i have to click another button?!? its the end of the world and my tablet wont survive unless its all cluttered in one place.
i agree with a couple posts saying the OP should just put the info in [brackets] and call it a day.
i still think they should be split up again.
as for reporting this thread, its a legit req to the devs, def not in the wrong section...there are other ways of telling them what you think but this way everyone can put in their 2 cents (myself included)
Yup, there should be 2. With most of the dev threads being non-indicative its much harder to find anything, let alone whether or not the thread is for your device or not. Recombining the 2 SGT type threads was a bad idea. We're all gonna get carpal tunnel anyways, what's one more click?
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this guy cracks me up....hes all like, im telling mom. why so damn anal? the topic had nothing to do with dev, you didnt even need to waste your time posting trying to correct someone.
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Nothing to do with been anal, Its to do with wanting the forum to be organized and posting crap in wrong places hinders that.
Back on topic, Splitting of the forums just isnt needed, If you want CDMA topics do a title search for CDMA using search option or just browse section as normal, its not hard to differentiate the topics.
A good vB forum mod to install to make it easier for you would be the prefix mod that enables posters to choose set prefix's, these are color coded so would be immediate more distinguishable.
If they were to re-split the forums it would be good to have some sort of third forum as a middle ground, maybe something like..
Galaxy Tab GSM Android Development
Galaxy Tab CDMA Android Development
Galaxy Tab MISC Android Development
That way we could have a non specific section for adding stuff that relates to both device types.
I believe most of the devs ACTUALLY make it clear which device their ROMs and kernels are for. People just don't read properly.
For me, it's more of actually being of help to the guys who don't read properly and complain about broken tabs rather than being able to be more organized. After making mistakes so many times they'll finally learn to do proper reading.
TheATHEiST said:
Dude, you should only be posting dev projects in here not your general discussions.
The forums were previously split and have now been rejoined as it did more harm then good. I just cant see how its "confusing" to anybody with common sense.
PS. rating your own thread 5 starts is sad.
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codewisp said:
I believe most of the devs ACTUALLY make it clear which device their ROMs and kernels are for. People just don't read properly.
For me, it's more of actually being of help to the guys who don't read properly and complain about broken tabs rather than being able to be more organized. After making mistakes so many times they'll finally learn to do proper reading.
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I'm smart enough to look at the title, and I liked it the way it was before.
At 3am, tired, doped up on my meds, feeling frisky to flash a new rom, brain fried, it was easier to go to the CDMA section, now I have to be even more careful. Not that it matters if I flash a GSM on my CDMA as I can always restore, but that's not the point.
Yes there are way to many kiddies that wont read for a week before they flash a kernel or rom and get stuck on a normal samsung boot loop, and it is normal for someone like me to ask if putting a gsm on a cdma tab will completely break it, or if it would work, and there are the lurkers who just want to install stuff.
So separating was a better idea, I could have gone to the forum for the device I wanted to read about, knowing i was in gsm or cdma, now I have to decipher what is what, or the more popular GSM threads might push an important cdma thread to page 2, where it would have been at the top for a week, and don't get me started on the HC ports for both GSM and CDMA, that alone could really screw someone who doesn't have 3 tablets and can afford to be without a daily use tab for an entire weekend.
A good mod/admin looks beyond what they feel the more established crowd might like, and makes adjustments for the new people that could provide help for projects like the HC port once they have been able to read in an organized forum. Also what exact proof is there that the former setup did more damage? what, and extra click or 2 to go back and forth between cdma and GSM? ****, put a direct link in your FF BM tab,
Like this............
It was split into two, and then people started complaining to svetius so it was put back. We're never gonna make everyone happy here, but we're trying.
My gripe about the split was that there was no middle ground. For example there was no section to post stuff that wasnt device specific.
IMO it should either be left as it is now, not split or split and a third section added for misc or "non device specific".
Hi,
Just want to say that im likely coming from HD2 section soon as im getting a GS2.
I'm just a bit gutted as this section doest seem as organized as HD2 section, ie there doesn't seem to be a dating convention (or at least non enforced) so topics seem random.
What I like about HD2 section is that for the most part most devs/cooks etc release to same standard naming rules, ie [date].[ROM/KERNEL].[Rom Title/Version.[Etc].
These standards make things much more orgnized overall and looking at this section sort of brings me back to when I was using the HTC Universal forum
I'm sure I will eventually find my way and learn to get used to going back to less standards, mostly because im sooo looking forward to getting the GS2 so everything else is second
Waaa? Trying checking again, it got everything you stated. =.=
Unless I'm illiterate...
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GRiM-UK said:
What I like about HD2 section is that for the most part most devs/cooks etc release to same standard naming rules, ie [date].[ROM/KERNEL].[Rom Title/Version.[Etc]
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We all had a vote some time ago and voted against those, sorry...
Kailkti said:
Waaa? Trying checking again, it got everything you stated. =.=
Unless I'm illiterate...
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Then I guess your illiterate.
peachpuff said:
We all had a vote some time ago and voted against those, sorry...
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That's a shame.
Cant see why it was voted against tbh.
2 good things about the HD2 forum is 1) Its huge amount of dedicated developer following and 2) Its organization. Even though I visit the forum daily so know which topics are new/updated its nice to see a standard topic title naming convention with date/type/title, That way you can see clearly from browse page which are updated topics with regards to builds instead of dates/titles been in random sequence.
Either way I'll have to learn to adapt back to this random naming as GS2 will be my daily device soon. However I wont miss my HD2 simply because it wont be going anywhere, I will still be using it to try new roms and also as a great backup.
I also came from the HD2 section and finding the GS2 section a bit of a maze, but all is well ) I'm hoping this GS2 will give me as much play as my HD2's did.. still have them, one cracked screen and one that the digitizer is going out on, the screen will stop responding until I press the End button twice.
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HoustonsBirdman said:
I also came from the HD2 section and finding the GS2 section a bit of a maze, but all is well ) I'm hoping this GS2 will give me as much play as my HD2's did.. still have them, one cracked screen and one that the digitizer is going out on, the screen will stop responding until I press the End button twice.
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Well im gunna be honest here, I actually have a iPhone 4S aswell atm but I just cant get used to such a mall screen and although the OS is quite good (as far as stability, ease of use) I just cant get used to having my fecking hand held every step of way and also the feeling of having them tied behind my back at most points. I bought it because I was given it at such a great price that I would have no problem getting rid once I was bored (approx 3 weeks) and then getting my only viable HD2 replacement (hardware wise compared to price). Before the GS2 I just didnt really see any reason to get new device since HD2 had basically (or in allot of cases better) hardware then new native Android devices.
Just made my mind up now and getting rid of the iPhone, keeping my HD2 and having GS2 as main device.
PS. Just want to add, I'm also a Galaxy Tab 7 user and that forum also (for the most part) keeps to a standard way of titling topics so its going to be hard to getting used to the dev sections here.
GRiM-UK said:
Hi,
Just want to say that im likely coming from HD2 section soon as im getting a GS2.
I'm just a bit gutted as this section doest seem as organized as HD2 section, ie there doesn't seem to be a dating convention (or at least non enforced) so topics seem random.
Unfortunately many posters will not follow the rules and post questions in the wrong section .
We also have a greater share of idiotic repeat posts fails to use search posters .
Roms are labelled but they are often updated frequently within that thread and even have kernel changes .
Not saying i disagree with your viewpoint but suggest you contact the mods re your suggestion .
Noobs do find it hard to navigate .
jje
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Almost all of our threads have a [ROM] or [KERNEL] or [KITCHEN] or [GUIDE] tag.
The initial perusal might be somewhat daunting. Once you understand Samsung's ROM releasing conventions, you'll understand why we don't insist on having each thread tagged with a date. I'd recommend reading the first 3 posts of Intratech's thread to give you a start. The series of numbers/letters found in the title of most [ROM] threads is essentially our dating convention (ie XWKK5).
Then maybe sort the forum by the "Stats" column to see what's popular and go from there.
GRiM-UK said:
That's a shame.
Cant see why it was voted against tbh.
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That was a joke, we have a sense of humor here in the gs2 section
crachel summed it up pretty nicely.
GRiM-UK said:
Well im gunna be honest here, I actually have a iPhone 4S aswell atm but I just cant get used to such a mall screen and although the OS is quite good (as far as stability, ease of use) I just cant get used to having my fecking hand held every step of way and also the feeling of having them tied behind my back at most points. I bought it because I was given it at such a great price that I would have no problem getting rid once I was bored (approx 3 weeks) and then getting my only viable HD2 replacement (hardware wise compared to price). Before the GS2 I just didnt really see any reason to get new device since HD2 had basically (or in allot of cases better) hardware then new native Android devices.
Just made my mind up now and getting rid of the iPhone, keeping my HD2 and having GS2 as main device.
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Hey GRiM-UK, if you're coming from the HD2 and have used Hyperdroid, we've got pongster and doctorcete working their magic here yet again. It evolved into something different considering ROMs here are mostly based on stock (Some AOSP, MIUI and CM also) because of proprietary drivers which source isn't always available for sadly...
It does take some getting used to, as I do agree the HD2 forums were easier to understand (And less noobish to me), but you know... Sometimes you have to move on. haha. I mostly read the general page and the original android page, but the decent information a tad all over the place... So good luck!
crachel said:
Almost all of our threads have a [ROM] or [KERNEL] or [KITCHEN] or [GUIDE] tag.
The initial perusal might be somewhat daunting. Once you understand Samsung's ROM releasing conventions, you'll understand why we don't insist on having each thread tagged with a date. I'd recommend reading the first 3 posts of Intratech's thread to give you a start. The series of numbers/letters found in the title of most [ROM] threads is essentially our dating convention (ie XWKK5).
Then maybe sort the forum by the "Stats" column to see what's popular and go from there.
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I think you misunderstand, Im very familiar with what a Rom and Kernel is and their tags etc and am not a n00b who gets confused.
I'm simply saying that it really benefits the forum when each release has a date tag at beginning of topic title instead of in random position or not at all. It means that all dates are in same line and each release is easily distinguishable by build date an you can check for updates at a glance and not rely on remembering all the version numbers.
Its a really small thing that makes a huge difference, Ill probably end up getting used to not having them but atm its really hard adjusting. The HD2 section is just far superior in organization imho.
For example checkout the HD2 NAND section compare to the Dev sectiosn here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=928
Please don't think I'm complaining or don't appreciate the work in this section, I'm just a bit disappointed that XDA or section mods hasn't tried to bring the convention to other forums, Guess I just assumed others were same by now.
I guess this will all change when XDA finally starts its release database.
welcome to the SGS2 section my friend!
Its quite different over here as one of the rules of being in the SGS2 section is we must deal with grumpy and abusive coders, who are to busy yelling and abusing than to actually get on working with the code!
You'll soon meet codeworkx soon enough....you lucky devil you....