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What we should do with low internal memory? step back to sd? :(

Hi
first off all I should thanks all developers of hd2 andriod who are the reason that we are always excited with our Hd2.
After Refreshing xda site for every 3 hours to see the nand release I finally managed to get the news...
After installing the nand version I was so excited speed was great battery life superb and extremely stable
so I have started migrating from my ram version to nand version
Soon I was installing my apps from market until I reached an error that I've never seen before "LOW MEMORY " I was shocked I checked the space and saw I only had 1 mb free space
I searched the forum and found out that some users has 100mb while some had 600mb free after installation, I thought it might be my and other mistakes which led to 100mb but after reading more I've found all 512mb rom HD2 will have 100mb free internal memory after installation
So if its gonna be like that I think I should step back to SD version only coz of internal memory,
I wanna know your suggestions.. or solution? Ive already tried moving some apps to sd but guys.... not all of them have the ability....

hossshad said:
Hi
first off all I should thanks all developers of hd2 andriod who are the reason that we are always excited with our Hd2.
After Refreshing xda site for every 3 hours to see the nand release I finally managed to get the news...
After installing the nand version I was so excited speed was great battery life superb and extremely stable
so I have started migrating from my ram version to nand version
Soon I was installing my apps from market until I reached an error that I've never seen before "LOW MEMORY " I was shocked I checked the space and saw I only had 1 mb free space
I searched the forum and found out that some users has 100mb while some had 600mb free after installation, I thought it might be my and other mistakes which led to 100mb but after reading more I've found all 512mb rom HD2 will have 100mb free internal memory after installation
So if its gonna be like that I think I should step back to SD version only coz of internal memory,
I wanna know your suggestions.. or solution? Ive already tried moving some apps to sd but guys.... not all of them have the ability....
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well hope the Devs will get EURO HD2 owners a ext4 partition on SD that will act as internal memory... i guess its being thought about.
in the meanwhile use apps like move2sd to install apps to SD...
oh i have LEO1024 no issues here

I just flashed the NEXUSHD2 and i have 216 mb of free space,that is more than enough for me.

i have like 700mb

I think that this thread is not for boasting about your Leo1024, but it rather raises an important issue. While ROMs from NAND are a big step ahead, running out of space is a serious problem, especially today, when apps can take about 20-30 mb (i.e. Opera Mobile 10, Firefox 4 with cache).
I see three possible solutions to this problem:
- using native froyo apps2fat, while being problematic, it's simple and available out of the box
- wait for developers to allow us to use data.img on our SD Card, like in good old SD Card builds
- or use apps2ext like all other Android users do (when it'll be possible).

Just down the App 2 SD app off market and move all the apps you downloaded to sd and that should free up your internal memory

mally2 said:
well hope the Devs will get EURO HD2 owners a ext4 partition on SD that will act as internal memory... i guess its being thought about.
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Has anyone done this before?

I am getting the same problem... I hope a solution for this comes up fast.... nbot able to install any games....

I am using MDJ Gingerbread NAND Rom, and the solution I found was to move apps to SD using Titanium Backup paid app. Worth the price, trust me.

berbecverde said:
I just flashed the NEXUSHD2 and i have 216 mb of free space,that is more than enough for me.
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216 mb of free space for me to, with the exact same ROM.

this has been an issue since back in the days of the G1, not enough internal memory, this is why a lot of the newer android devices come with a bigger internal memory, apps2sd will solve the problem, so you can install apps on the sd card instead of the internal memory. You need to add it before you start to install apps to keep the internal memory at max.

I went into the system folder and deleted stuff i didnt need like ringtones, alarms, notifications, wallpapers. Left me with some amount of space but yeah, the real solution are apps that move apps to sd.

You guys are in luck. Takaaki has posted a test build he made for himself that can store the data on the sd card. You can even use your old hd2one data.img if you have used it before.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10246269&postcount=228
It's a test build and he won't be answering questions.

spyb0y said:
216 mb of free space for me to, with the exact same ROM.
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same as me....i love this rom alot

low internal memory HELP

hello, i hope my thread didnt post somewhere else.
so, i am using hs2 and i installed android 2.2 yesterday and i installed 8 apps on it. everything is working perfect until i installed google eath. i run it and it says that i dont have enough space and it close.. i also remove many apps and i only have 50mb internal memory only. how do i clean android because i wanna install more apps soon!
also how many mb internal memory hd2 has?
is android installed on internal memory of my hd2 thats why its running low now??
thanks i hope to get what am looking for

USA T-Mobile HD2 - 1024MB ROM
Everywhere else - 512MB ROM
Which NAND build are you using? Perhaps it supports A2SD, A2SD+, data2ext, data2sd, if it does one of those, partitioning your MicroSD card and formatting the partition in ext2/ext3/ext4 will give you more space to install applications.

LiFE1688 said:
USA T-Mobile HD2 - 1024MB ROM
Everywhere else - 512MB ROM
Which NAND build are you using? Perhaps it supports A2SD, A2SD+, data2ext, data2sd, if it does one of those, partitioning your MicroSD card and formatting the partition in ext2/ext3/ext4 will give you more space to install applications.
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wait wait wait i bought hd2 at 14/1 and i put android at 13/1 so am sooo noob on these what A2SD, A2SD+, data2ext, data2sd are?
how do i partition my sd? how do i format to ext...
i got 512rom btw uk one
thanks

This is the downside of using NAND rom, the internal memory is very low. My phone is showing about 120 MB available and still I permanent have the icon telling me low disk space.
So there is a solution and that is to partition the sd card? Are there any instructions for this available so it becames part of the OS?. I have searched but could not seem to find the proper thread.
BTW I am using the "desire stock rom":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893620

Have a look at this one. Especially the instructions.
Or search the NAND Forum Titles for App2SD, Data2EXT, ext4, data.img or something like that.

lenarass said:
wait wait wait i bought hd2 at 14/1 and i put android at 13/1 so am sooo noob on these what A2SD, A2SD+, data2ext, data2sd are?
how do i partition my sd? how do i format to ext...
i got 512rom btw uk one
thanks
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"-_- sweat -_-"
I am not going to explain what it is, but instead, I am gonna tell you what to look at. When choosing a ROM.
Example1:
[15 JAN] -=MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v. 2.4 [A2SD+][GRH78][RMNET][Kernel: MDJ S10.4 OC]
See the wonderful [A2SD+] that means it uses A2SD+
Example2:
[16 JAN][DAF][ZIP] RAFDROID HD 2.2 [DATA2EXT][Kern:MDJ 10.3][RMNET][UPDATED!]
This uses data2ext
Example3:
[30 DEC][DFT]LEO "Stock Desire" NAND Android ROM
This doesn't use anything, so you are screwed... you run out of space, that's it, SCREWED.
I highly recommend that you read this, and understand what it says.
[10 JAN][RECOVERY] ClockworkMod Recovery for HD2 - v1.2
Because Clockwork makes things really easy for noobs, if you want to call yourself that. It is also used in every Android Devices that I know of, including the Real HTC DesireHD, Samsung Galaxy S, Samsung Nexus S, HTC Desire, and many more. HD2 users prefer people to do everything for them and package everything neatly, then complain about having to wipe everything away each update.
** [GUIDE] How to format SD-Card to EXT 3 **
bakskj, so yah, you have 120MB left. So unless you know how to put A2SD, A2SD+ or data2sd or data2ext into the ROM you are using now, pretty much, use that 120MB sparingly, that's all you will have.

LiFE1688 said:
"-_- sweat -_-"
I am not going to explain what it is, but instead, I am gonna tell you what to look at. When choosing a ROM.
Example1:
[15 JAN] -=MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v. 2.4 [A2SD+][GRH78][RMNET][Kernel: MDJ S10.4 OC]
See the wonderful [A2SD+] that means it uses A2SD+
Example2:
[16 JAN][DAF][ZIP] RAFDROID HD 2.2 [DATA2EXT][Kern:MDJ 10.3][RMNET][UPDATED!]
This uses data2ext
Example3:
[30 DEC][DFT]LEO "Stock Desire" NAND Android ROM
This doesn't use anything, so you are screwed... you run out of space, that's it, SCREWED.
I highly recommend that you read this, and understand what it says.
[10 JAN][RECOVERY] ClockworkMod Recovery for HD2 - v1.2
Because Clockwork makes things really easy for noobs, if you want to call yourself that. It is also used in every Android Devices that I know of, including the Real HTC DesireHD, Samsung Galaxy S, Samsung Nexus S, HTC Desire, and many more. HD2 users prefer people to do everything for them and package everything neatly, then complain about having to wipe everything away each update.
** [GUIDE] How to format SD-Card to EXT 3 **
bakskj, so yah, you have 120MB left. So unless you know how to put A2SD, A2SD+ or data2sd or data2ext into the ROM you are using now, pretty much, use that 120MB sparingly, that's all you will have.
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amazing post . bit i use LEO "Stock Desire" NAND Android ROM so am SCREWED . do i have to install NEW ROM ? and start downloading apss from the bigging? if yes what rom is the best ?xda-developers - Reply to Topic or RAFDROID HD 2.2 ?
whats the difference between these 3 roms? more available internal space?
thankss

Urm, it's hard to say what is the best. I guess look at the screen shot and choose the one that looks the most pleasing?
But you know what, now that you are starting again,
[10 JAN][RECOVERY] ClockworkMod Recovery for HD2 - v1.2
READ THAT... USE THAT...
Then choose a ROM that says CLOCKWORK
-=DOWNLOAD v. 2.4 A2SD+ NAND Clockwork Mod=-
Like that. This way, if you have a small little fix, you don't have to reflash the whole rom, some nice guy/girl might already post up the fix in a nice zip file that you can use clockwork to install.

LiFE1688 said:
Urm, it's hard to say what is the best. I guess look at the screen shot and choose the one that looks the most pleasing?
But you know what, now that you are starting again,
[10 JAN][RECOVERY] ClockworkMod Recovery for HD2 - v1.2
READ THAT... USE THAT...
Then choose a ROM that says CLOCKWORK
-=DOWNLOAD v. 2.4 A2SD+ NAND Clockwork Mod=-
Like that. This way, if you have a small little fix, you don't have to reflash the whole rom, some nice guy/girl might already post up the fix in a nice zip file that you can use clockwork to install.
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thx but am too confuzed. i will wait for a better android that does everything without flashing again and again

lenarass said:
thx but am too confuzed. i will wait for a better android that does everything without flashing again and again
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All of them do everything. Have you at least tried one?

hello00 said:
All of them do everything. Have you at least tried one?
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flashed on nand the original desire android on my hd2. its 2.2ver and i cant save app on sd card. the other 2 ver are 2.3 android right? the last one?

PLEASE NOTE:
There are down sides to using app2sd and data on sd.... Namely you cannot mount the SD Card via usb.
The single best option for having a stable, low maintenance build is projections Stock desire, which has some squashing to reduce the space. HD builds are all flawed for 512mb users because of the size. You either have no space, or you cannot mount your sd card.
Based on that I would always go for a stock desire/evo based build, which give full functionality, but with ~180mb free space. Everybody is so quick to ask for data on sd.... but the corruption factor that is still there, combined with the inability to mount the drive, makes it a no go for many people who are starting out, and will be back on here in a few days asking why they are getting force closes, or why they cannot access SD card via usb.

Good comments
MattOG said:
PLEASE NOTE:
There are down sides to using app2sd and data on sd.... Namely you cannot mount the SD Card via usb.
The single best option for having a stable, low maintenance build is projections Stock desire, which has some squashing to reduce the space. HD builds are all flawed for 512mb users because of the size. You either have no space, or you cannot mount your sd card.
Based on that I would always go for a stock desire/evo based build, which give full functionality, but with ~180mb free space. Everybody is so quick to ask for data on sd.... but the corruption factor that is still there, combined with the inability to mount the drive, makes it a no go for many people who are starting out, and will be back on here in a few days asking why they are getting force closes, or why they cannot access SD card via usb.
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First off thanks for the informative replies. I think I'm gonna go for a partitioned one because more space is essential for me.
What i do want to know is. Is there a fix for those eventual crashes and what not? And if they are really to annoying. Because nothing beats stability.

[Q] HTC HD2 now hangs on 02 Welcome Screen

Hi
I seem to have killed off my HTC HD2.
I followed a posted instructions link on here
Phone has
2.15.50.14 Radio installed
HARDSPL 2.08 installed
I then went and tried to use MAGLDR. This went through but on reboot phone stalls at the Blue 02 weclome screen.
Tried many reloads of all the above but it still hangs. Any advice.
The only issue I think I have is that its a 320MB version as it was one of the first to the UK.

Hi
Just to let you know if you get this issue I solved it. Used Task29 and rebuilt phone up from there. Runnimg WM7 but not going to keep it as I'm finding it very boring.

dpf2002 said:
Hi
Just to let you know if you get this issue I solved it. Used Task29 and rebuilt phone up from there. Runnimg WM7 but not going to keep it as I'm finding it very boring.
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Do you have a 320mb pre-release version?
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you are only guessing you have a 320meg version, you have the proper eu version not a test unit, i got mine from o2 on the day it arrived

Hi
Not sure now. In WM7 in phone about it now states
Total Storage 158.29MB
Avaailable Storage 61.96 MB
This is causing me a real issue as it doesn't see my SD Card nor can I find any settings to use it.

becayse wp7 takes up the internal memory, and not all sd cards are compatable with wp7

Format your card with Panasonic SD Formatter with....
Format: FULL
Erase: ON
Size Adjustment: ON
Then put SD card into phone and re-flash WP7 and it should work properly and you see all your free space. If you view the card via PC it will say you have 200MB free space as WP7 partitions your card, The 200MB is used by system and the other partition is your storage space. Remember not to power on phone without SD card though.
If you still dont get full space its likley that your card is not compatible so you will need to use another.

[Q] These is no storage left. wtf

Im using CM7 RC1 on wildfire, i have 800mb left on SD card, but now my programs cannot be moved to SD card, because it says no more storage left on SD card. And this problem is after i instaled CM7 RC1

And this is dev related..... how??
As for ur question, I have no idea.
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Just format your sd and try again?
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Maybe your partition is not big enough?

big enough. i say its 800mb free

Yes , You have 800 mb but on general partion.Check out how much space you have on ext partitions.
I check it in the easiest way without anyy software.I'm connectin WF to my TV and get in USB and there are few drivers to choose then check info about and here it is.
Or with some kind of software in PC

Internal 25mb free, External (SD) 837mb free.

I advice you to make a quite bigger Internal and then check out'em

vilks said:
Internal 25mb free, External (SD) 837mb free.
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Moving to SD does not move the whole app to SD many times. Internal memory is occupied too, maybe 25 mb is too less? What's the exact error msg that its giving?

Have the same problem.
As far as i know APP2SD doesnt use the ext partition (just the Darktremor Apps2SD does) - but the APP uses the Froyo/Gingerbread buildin function and just saves some amount of the Apps to the SD card.
Somehow it worked for me if i try it a 2nd time (or after restarting the device in begin - after it worked fine for me).
But sometimes if I install apps it also tells me - not enough space - and i have 37MB internal left - even the app is just about 500kb.... - anyway it also works if i just try agains ome seconds later.
Annoying - but perhaps also works for u

Formiak said:
I advice you to make a quite bigger Internal and then check out'em
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Could you also tell us how 2 make bigger internal !??! If I dont want to disasemble my device and replace a chip?
As far as i know u just can get bigger internal space by moving apps or systemparts to the SD card... and thats where he has problems.
(But yes many custom roms already do it a bit: dalvik cache,.. - but u need 2 reflash another rom.... not part of this discussin atm i think)

i didnt have any problems with 2.3 nightly 49# and other nightlys or even 2.2 roms. But with new 2.3 RC1 i have these problems. so im moving to other rom

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Hd2 nand unlock

Will there be any chance of someone unlocking the full 1 gig on T-Mobile us version?
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It is already unlocked, it also depends on what you mean by "unlock" .
If you mean on Windows Phone 7. There is no current way to do that, and I doubt that there will be any . Because WP7 uses the SD-card as internal Storage so it is doubtful that it'll use both NAND and SD. In Android, it is unlocked and Tmo users get more space after they flash an android ROM.

Well when u install any rom on you're nand using mgldr or clk it only uses 512 of you're nand.my question is anyone developing or going to use the full 1 gig on our T-Mobile us version....
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Most roms have the tmous option what uses the full 1024mb....
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Mgldr doesn't allow use of the full 1024 as they stated it set at 512 since it works for both T-Mobile us and euro HD....but I wonder if clk uses full 1024 and if so then y have to sd-ext, or ap2sd...
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I have the same question as OP do. When you repartition NAND for MGLDR or CLK the biggest option are 400MB and 450 MB respectively. That will left about 500MB unused for TMOUS1024, is there some way to use all available space for TMOUS1024 ?

When you partition 400/450, that space is used by the rom, the remaining space on the tmous will be used for internal storage
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bigfdaddy said:
Mgldr doesn't allow use of the full 1024 as they stated it set at 512 since it works for both T-Mobile us and euro HD....but I wonder if clk uses full 1024 and if so then y have to sd-ext, or ap2sd...
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That's not true,
tmous ROMs have full use of 1gb ROM, that's why you don't have to have sdext like you do in some eu roms.

Ok well it was just my understanding that magldr only uses 512 and same with clk....I've been hearing about bad Nan blocks caused by constant flashing on basically half our nand....also if this was the case why do we need to have android files installed on the SD card y not all internally like a true android phone?
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Because this is not a true android phone....
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elliottg61 said:
Because this is not a true android phone....
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Well I know that it isn't a true android phone duhhhh lol...just wondering y can't load everything into nand instead of being split nand and SD...
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elliottg61 said:
When you partition 400/450, that space is used by the rom, the remaining space on the tmous will be used for internal storage
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Ok but u say the rest is used for apps Wich isn't true for example the desire hd and sense 3.0 rom size is 420mb give or take it.that means for us tmobile us users it would leave almost 500mb left in nand.....so if u have almost 500 MB left their would be no need for ap2sd or sd-ext as a must....instead it shows nand being almost full after installing...
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bigfdaddy said:
Well I know that it isn't a true android phone duhhhh lol...just wondering y can't load everything into nand instead of being split nand and SD...
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I am not sure you understand how it works. Of course you can install Android on NAND - there is a whole separate section dedicated to NAND only. You also have an option of installing to SD, in case you might want to run 2 OS and alternate between them. I have Android NAND installed and must say, it runs as if it always belonged. And you do get to install everything in NAND, most of my apps are installed that way, I will only move something if I will start running out of space, but the way it is, I still have a while to go...
TMOUS uses 1024 to store BOTH, your NAND install, should you choose to go that way, AND your programs, just select the ROM compatible with TMOUS. It's not like you get NAND partitioned to waste the remaining 512Mb.

enigma1nz said:
I am not sure you understand how it works. Of course you can install Android on NAND - there is a whole separate section dedicated to NAND only. You also have an option of installing to SD, in case you might want to run 2 OS and alternate between them. I have Android NAND installed and must say, it runs as if it always belonged. And you do get to install everything in NAND, most of my apps are installed that way, I will only move something if I will start running out of space, but the way it is, I still have a while to go...
TMOUS uses 1024 to store BOTH, your NAND install, should you choose to go that way, AND your programs, just select the ROM compatible with TMOUS. It's not like you get NAND partitioned to waste the remaining 512Mb.
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Yes I understand theirs a whole nand section I've been using nand since mgldr 1.12....if u look at you're SD card there are files on it required for android to run...
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bigfdaddy said:
Yes I understand theirs a whole nand section I've been using nand since mgldr 1.12....if u look at you're SD card there are files on it required for android to run...
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that's not true, go ahead and take out your SD card and boot up android NAND, it will run just fine. On ANY android phone, it saves some files/folders on SD on boot to utilize, not just the HD2,
But to run Android it does not need any files on SD. With CWM flashes over cLK, it basically is a "true" android device.

orangekid said:
that's not true, go ahead and take out your SD card and boot up android NAND, it will run just fine. On ANY android phone, it saves some files/folders on SD on boot to utilize, not just the HD2,
But to run Android it does not need any files on SD. With CWM flashes over cLK, it basically is a "true" android device.
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Ok ty that was one of my questions is y we have certain files on the SD card....
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Ya android uses it to store some things. Its like that in all phones
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I took my regular card out last week and replaced it with one where I have movies only, a whole collection of just movies. And... nothing happened. The phone will create folders for additional storage, depending on setup, most likely, but it's not imperative to have the card to run Android off NAND. You install off SD originally, so will have Android installation files on it to begin with, once installed - swap cards, do whatever.
It will be another story if you had some apps moved to SD for whatever reasons of your own, then sure, you will need to have your card in to run those apps. If you have wallpapers stored on SD - same thing. But if you install Android to NAND, your entire NAND will be used without any not being available to you or partitioned in a way that will 'lock' half of available internal memory, which is what your original question was about. I have 479Mb of internal memory listed as available and none on SD. When I install anything to my phone it is installed to internal memory. The only things that needed my SD memory to be available were books.