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NAND DFT - Sense and free space issues

Firstly, amazing day, finally been able to get rid of winmo and get android into my NAND.
Sadly, i keep running into free space issues which is a bit frustrating. Im sure it might be something i am doing (or not doing), but was wondering if i am alone. As far as details, im running UK HD2, with DFT - SENSE rom flashed into my NAND and radio 2.15. I had no problems with the flash process and the phone generally works well.
I have apps2sd running and it says there are no apps that can be moved to the SD so i have everything where it should be. My SD is listed as 6.1gb free but internal memory is 115in use and about 38mb free. I cant even get copilot to install as it just says there is no space left (although i was running the .apk from the sd to install on the sd).
Could this be because i was previously using the sd card for android? Anyone else having these issues?
Thanks.

geekyhawkes said:
Firstly, amazing day, finally been able to get rid of winmo and get android into my NAND.
Sadly, i keep running into free space issues which is a bit frustrating. Im sure it might be something i am doing (or not doing), but was wondering if i am alone. As far as details, im running UK HD2, with DFT - SENSE rom flashed into my NAND and radio 2.15. I had no problems with the flash process and the phone generally works well.
I have apps2sd running and it says there are no apps that can be moved to the SD so i have everything where it should be. My SD is listed as 6.1gb free but internal memory is 115in use and about 38mb free. I cant even get copilot to install as it just says there is no space left (although i was running the .apk from the sd to install on the sd).
Could this be because i was previously using the sd card for android? Anyone else having these issues?
Thanks.
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Same problem with me I only have 35 mb free internal memory ,own using cotulla nand desire Rom
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

try the desire hd version, it has a bit more space ..
the owner of a hd2 (us) with 1024mb have no problems with that ..

Hi
Did you try titanium backup to move apps from nand to SD, it should be better to give it a try...

Using nexushd2 I have 216 MB free space.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Tmo US W/Desire HD 538mb Free!

frankinstine said:
Tmo US W/Desire HD 538mb Free!
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TMOUS HD2 Rocks

I just get free space only 99 mb on my hd2, i want to know why each device don't be got free space as same as ones.
My hd2 runs in Colluta's desire nand rom.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

This is not a problem with you guys, it's just with the 512 limit of our devices.
Be patient and someone /Cotulla/ will fix it so that we can install to SD card.
BTW
I just downloaded move2sd and it works just fine. Now my apps go to the sd and i've moved all possible apps to sd.
I am left with 82 mb which should be enough for txt and logs...

Im glad im not by myself with this. I guess the solution will come when the devs get chance to get ext4 up and running on our sd cards as data.img, that way the problem goes away. apps2sd/titanium etc are all fine, but if you have a lot of apps then you will always be in the situation i am of bouncing off the warning of low space.

The only problem is now the low space...
Hope the devs can add a partition from the SD that functions as the internal memory.
And people with 1024leo's should stfu. It's like saying to a blind person.. hah that's weird I can see perfectly fine.

pr0x2 said:
The only problem is now the low space...
Hope the devs can add a partition from the SD that functions as the internal memory.
And people with 1024leo's should stfu. It's like saying to a blind person.. hah that's weird I can see perfectly fine.
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Totally agree with the ignorant TMOUS owners saying they have no problems. I used to put a 4gb data.img in with my builds to make sure I had plenty of space. Still early days so lets wait for TMOUS users to come forward saying they have used up all their memory.
Putting that aside, the same problem happens with most other devices. I suppose using Android from SD card we had the luxury of choosing how big data.img to have. Now we are in the same boat as other Android handsets with the exception we cant go into recovery mode. If we could go into recovery mode then we could partition the SD card into two partitions. One for sd card usage like music, pictures etc and the other partition as ext3 to expand the phone memory onto the sd card.
If Cotulla or the DFT enables us to use our device in recovery mode, maybe they should only make it for HD2 Europe devices, seeing as TMOUS owners are all saying they have plenty of memory.

Google Earth and Flash Player are killing me.
They still hold much space after moving to sd.
Looking forward to app2ext.

nokn956120 said:
Totally agree with the ignorant TMOUS owners saying they have no problems. I used to put a 4gb data.img in with my builds to make sure I had plenty of space. Still early days so lets wait for TMOUS users to come forward saying they have used up all their memory.
Putting that aside, the same problem happens with most other devices. I suppose using Android from SD card we had the luxury of choosing how big data.img to have. Now we are in the same boat as other Android handsets with the exception we cant go into recovery mode. If we could go into recovery mode then we could partition the SD card into two partitions. One for sd card usage like music, pictures etc and the other partition as ext3 to expand the phone memory onto the sd card.
If Cotulla or the DFT enables us to use our device in recovery mode, maybe they should only make it for HD2 Europe devices, seeing as TMOUS owners are all saying they have plenty of memory.
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Sorry man, not tring to be ignorant, I do love my TMo HD2. Ido agree with you on the ext3. I have my N1 w/a2sd and its awesome, no need to worry about space.I had about 95+ apps at one time and still had 150mb free of internal. Im guessing once we get a recovery img. we can then get the ext3 and a2sd working as it should. I have clockworks recovery on my N1 and works awsome. You can Backup any part of your rom even your ext3. Also Amon_RA's recovery is good too cause it has PSfreedom implemented, for those looking at PSFreedom Modds

Partition SD Card Help (Rom Manager)....

Hi there,
I'm having trouble with the "Partition SD Card" function in the Rom Manager application. It goes through recovery and does everything successfully, but after I install an application it installs to the phone. I checked in the "Settings>SD and Phone Storage" which showed a smaller amount of memory after having installed the application. I installed the application "Apps to SDcard", and when I run it, it tells me "Error, either an incorrect ROM is installed or your SD card is not formatted correctly". I don't know what I did wrong, I have my SD card formatted at FAT32, and my ROM is the NeonMod Rom. I will have a link to it after. I tried the Apps to SDcard app after using the Rom Manager to partition my SD card at, 256MB Ext size, and 32MB swap size. I have a 2GB card, and it's the one that came with my phone (Sandisk) if that helps. Thanks for the help guys.
Here's the link to the ROM I currently have and its description:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751831
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I'm new to this forum. Thanks.

It might not be a fast enough card for a2sd to work.

TheGrammarFreak said:
It might not be a fast enough card for a2sd to work.
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Nope, the problem is you are running an Eclair ROM and the app is not "ext" type of A2SD - it just uses the Froyo A2SD, which uses FAT32 partition to move apps to.
If you install Froyo, this app will work, else install a ROM with A2SD that uses ext partition, it's much better

Thanks, I found a Rom that supports A2SD and uses ext partition, and it works. Just a question though, I used Apps to SDCard to move the apps to the card, but now can't find them. Where can I find them now? LOL. Thanks so much for the help I really appreciate it, this is the current Rom I got that supports A2SD just in case anybody wants:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834121

Not sure about this one, but why don't you use Froyo ROM?

Well if it's better then I will, I don't know much about Froyo but can you please give me a Froyo Rom if it's better? Android 2.1 version though. Thanks.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App

It depends... Do you like sense? You can find a list of roms in stickies in Development!
Start there, but the list is not very recent. I'm currently running BlaY0's Rom, try that one if you like sense ;-) CM6.1 is an obvious choice if you don't...
Good luck!
and btw: Froyo is faster and alltogether better

Okay thanks I'll give it a try. And yes I like Sense a lot. Thanks again!

Papaniz said:
Well if it's better then I will, I don't know much about Froyo but can you please give me a Froyo Rom if it's better? Android 2.1 version though...
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You cannot have Froyo AND Android 2.1 at the same time
Android 2.1 = Eclair
Android 2.2 = Froyo
Android 2.3 = Gingerbread
P.S. Move to Froyo

NAND or SD?

Yes I've searched and have not found a definite answer.
Sorry I'm new to the HD2 coming from a Vibrant but was wondering what is faster and more efficient?
NAND or SD?

Alanrocks15 said:
Yes I've searched and have not found a definite answer.
Sorry I'm new to the HD2 coming from a Vibrant but was wondering what is faster and more efficient?
NAND or SD?
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NAND has more ROMs and seems better on battery life, but both are good.
If you are going to be Android only (no WP7 Dual-Boot) I'd probably go NAND. However, here are the things I like more about sd:
1) This ROM IMO is better than any NAND I've seen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652
2) You get more "phone storage" because you can basically choose how much space you have. This eliminates the need for an ext partition on your SD or any fear of running out of app space.
3) multiple ROMs. You can have like 5 roms on SD and all you do is tell the bootloader which to load or change the folder name and it boots!
For those reasons I prefer SD, but NAND offers more choices.

From what I've found, speed wise...just depends on the rom but typically NAND is faster. Stability wise NAND is from what I've used and tried. But it mainly depends on which OS you have on NAND Windows wise from what I've gathered but I don't have any interest in WM6.5 so I've ran all NAND builds lately without any issues.
I have setup a dual boot of WP7 and SD Android and it worked ok but found I typically didn't boot into WP7 as much so I wiped and went NAND Android

orangekid said:
2) You get more "phone storage" because you can basically choose how much space you have. This eliminates the need for an ext partition on your SD or any fear of running out of app space.
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With the built in Apps 2 SD in Gingerbread it's a easy transfer to memory card without having to install a ext partition. It's all built in on the Applications menu to move them to the SD card to free up app space in the memory

with nand you can also have multi roms on your sd and flash at random. i have about 3 i like best and then flash when i feel the need for a change. i personally prefer nand over sd but if you ask someone else they're likely to disagree. the big reason i like nand over sd is because i see a huge difference in battery life with nand and i also prefer android over winmo. if you like winmo and would use it then go the sd route but if you dont like it & dont plan to use it then go the nand route.

Titanium Backup's "System ROM & Internal" size

After using my HD2 for close to 1.5 years, I finally manage to get root on the Froyo NAND ROM I have, and installed Titanium Backup. What took me so long? Partly due to the fact I don't have much time to try out different ROMs and also I need something reliable, which made me stuck to the same early NAND release for so long, but the lack of internal space is really getting on my nerves recently.
Just a backtrack on what ROM I used. I followed instructions on the [GUIDE] Flashing Your First HD2 NAND Android Rom [For Newbs] thread, installed LEO "Stock Desire" NAND Android ROM by Cotulla and never bothered with anything else, even with the fact it doesn't have root access.
Upon installing Titanium Backup, I discovered a section where they listed "System ROM: 274MB (18.6MB free)" and "Internal: 144MB (17.2MB free)", well, that explains why I kept running out of space, the first boot up, I remembered I only have like 30MB out of the 144MB Internal space to use for any other external apps I installed! But another question beckons, 274MB + 144MB is only about 418MB, I thought we have 576MB to begin with on the HD2? What happened to the rest of the storage? I've checked my radio and I'm running on 2.15.50.14 which is supposed to have unlocked the extra memory.
And I'm also thinking of installing a new ROM after all these years, probably sticking with a Sense based one, which I've seen a pretty good Rom SENSATION XL V 3.0 or DESIRE HD OFFICIAL RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_V 3.0 made by haldric, but the partition of 5/220/5 or 5/180/5 is a little worrying as that would mean less internal space left for apps I install, but how does one calculate and estimate the amount of internal memory left after a clean install? If not, I would be considering tytung's NexusHD2-Gingerbread V3.2a which has a small system partition of 135MB, which probably meant I have more internal space left for apps instead, but it doesn't have SENSE, which I prefer to have even though it makes the phone slower.
Also, I guess I prefer to stick with the MAGLDR way of flashing thru DAF.exe as I think it's probably the most straight forward and easiest way compared to the other methods which seemed kinda complicated.
My main question is actually the "System ROM" and "Internal" size showed by Titanium backup, is that normal that it doesn't add up to the RAM/ROM size?
Hope to get some response soon. Thanks in advance!

ever thought of using ext???

Thealshear, I would, but it seems the procedure to set it up seemed pretty complicated, and, well, I've been thinking of trying out a new ROM as well.
I guess I got confused anyway, it's 512MB of ROM, so after deducting 274MB out of System ROM and 144MB out of Internal memory, where did the rest of the 94MB went? Cache?

First of all, RAM is a completely different thing from ROM.
ROM, stands for Read-only memory , is where your OS resides. Whereas RAM, stands for Random Access Memory (you should already know this), is where your running apps are kept ... RUNNING !
The HD2 only has a RAM of 576 MB (after radio install).
But as for the ROM:
The T-mobile packs a 1GB ROM, while the regular (Euro) HD2 only packs 512MB (not 576MB).
And finally, don't trust TB . Mine says (167 System ROM & 1GB internal when I actually own a European HD2 ) and that is because the A2SD script.
When you want to flash a recovery, your maximum is 400MB system (considering 10MB cache, 2MB boot, 5MB recovery & 1MB misc) Which totals to about 418MB.
I don't know why the rest is not used, but since it is happening on both DAF flashing AND CWM, then I assume it's a thing we cannot change.

Well, yeah, I just found out I got mistaken, it's the ROM size that I need to take note about, one of the things that baffled me coming from iOS is that, in iOS, whatever listed storage size, I could use it all up for apps instead of like in Android's case, it's based on the ROM size.
Anyway, other than checking the flash.cfg configuration, there's no where else to roughly estimate how much internal memory is left? Moving apps to SD doesn't seem to be the full blown solution as I think some parts will still be left on the ROM, or I had been misinformed?
Is it possible to setup without Clockwork Mod?

Settings > Storage
Always shows you the actual amount of MBs left for you to install apps. (If you're not using an A2SD script)
Why are you still on that rusty ROM ?
There are now much better ROMs with better functionality. Furthermore, the installation procedure is rather simple.
I recommend doing the following:
1- Sync your Contacts & Calendar Events to Google. (Auto by default)
2- Backup your SMS with any app from the Market. (Optional)
3- Backup your apps using TB backup (requires root ofc )
After that, wipe off your device using Task29. Then choose either MAGLDR or cLK (see what suits you best). Then install CWM (cWM comes pre-installed with cLK 1.5) .. then customize the partition sizes. Finally, flash your favourite ROM.

Well, as mentioned, I'm still on this rusty ROM due to convenience and I didn't had much time to tweak around. Back then, I got the HD2 as it was the only possible phone that has 4.3" on Android
Recently, the internal memory issue is getting on my nerves as I need a couple of apps that's impossible to install without having more internal memory! Which was why I finally decided it's time to read a little bit more to get a much better ROM instead without resorting to changing phones.
So, basically, whatever I do, I would still need to run Task29? I just found out about the HD2 NAND Toolkit, so in accordance to the procedure you mentioned, I would still need to run Task29, install MAGLDR, use HD2 NAND Toolkit and then install whatever ROM I choose to use? Is CWM necessary? Or it just helps to ease up the work later on?
Thanks again!

GRexer83 said:
Well, as mentioned, I'm still on this rusty ROM due to convenience and I didn't had much time to tweak around. Back then, I got the HD2 as it was the only possible phone that has 4.3" on Android
Recently, the internal memory issue is getting on my nerves as I need a couple of apps that's impossible to install without having more internal memory! Which was why I finally decided it's time to read a little bit more to get a much better ROM instead without resorting to changing phones.
So, basically, whatever I do, I would still need to run Task29? I just found out about the HD2 NAND Toolkit, so in accordance to the procedure you mentioned, I would still need to run Task29, install MAGLDR, use HD2 NAND Toolkit and then install whatever ROM I choose to use? Is CWM necessary? Or it just helps to ease up the work later on?
Thanks again!
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Task29 is unnecessary I feel. Just follow this guide and you should be fine. Do a wipe in MAGLDR, flash CWM and carry on from there.
In terms of the internal memory apps, which ones are these? I made sure to move all of my games to the SD card, and any app which has a significant amount of data. All the apps on my internal storage right now are Widgets and Launchers, works fine for me.

^What he said.
And yes, CWM is fundamental. On the other hand, task29 is not. But I like to do it when switching from MAGLDR to cLK or vice versa.

[Q] []NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10

Hi,
Today I've been busy trying to flash NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 from Tytung.
After screwing around a bit I finaly got it to work. All apps and feature's seem to be working.
However the overall system speed is much much slower then I think it should be.
These are the steps I did:
1. Performed a task29.
2. Reinstalled MLGDR 1.3
3. Reinstalled the latest CWM 5.0.2.6 with a 300mb partition.
4. Flashed the tytung_jellybean_r1 kernel.
5. Flashed the NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 rom.
6. I used the NAND with DataOnEXT option.
7. Reboot succesfull and rom started up (Fairly slow).
I have a HTC HD2 (LEO512).
With a 16g level 4 sd card.
I couldn't realy find a step by step guide anywhere so if someone could be so kind to make a list like this it would surely help out alot of people.
Thank you for reading and I hope for a responce soon,

ciao im italian
hi
impotant that you have an ext4 primary partition in sdcard.do you have this one? if not, you have possibility make a backup of your sdcard in pc because for to create partition ,the sistem delete all data of your sd card. after,in recovery,in advanced,partition, you chooise swap 0 and next chooise is 1/2 giga byte(i chooise 4gb 4tobe sure).after you follow the istruction below.
you must to have 300mb of partition with hd2toolkit or other but into aroma istaller you must to chooise a full istallation(important)
and you dont flash any kernel because it is into rom
ps: ...good luck

Your installation method is fine. When you say that the overall speed is slower than it should be, are there any specific areas you can point out? In general in ICS and above ROMS the system uses more RAM which can slow things down due to a lack of RAM. I personally feel this is a small sacrifice to pay for the improvements in gaming and web browsing, as well as the overhauled UI. You may also be overestimating the HD2. You have to remember that it's getting very old now and the hardware just isn't considered even remotely powerful anymore.

Nigeldg said:
Your installation method is fine. When you say that the overall speed is slower than it should be, are there any specific areas you can point out? In general in ICS and above ROMS the system uses more RAM which can slow things down due to a lack of RAM. I personally feel this is a small sacrifice to pay for the improvements in gaming and web browsing, as well as the overhauled UI. You may also be overestimating the HD2. You have to remember that it's getting very old now and the hardware just isn't considered even remotely powerful anymore.
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with this full istallation rom my phone start in few minutes(3/4 minutes)no more
ciao guys

I've had indeed forgotten to partition my sd the right way.
Here are the steps I did for people that want to know.
1. Performed a task29.
2. Reinstalled MLGDR 1.3
3. Reinstalled the latest CWM 5.0.2.6 with a 300mb partition.
4. Partitioned a FAT32 primary partition with 32KB cluster size, then an EXT4 primary partition with default cluster size.
5. Flashed the tytung_jellybean_r1 kernel.
6. Flashed the NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 rom.
7. I used the NAND with DataOnEXT option.
8. Reboot.
The rom works fine and the overal speed is okay considering the HD2 hardware.
Thank you for the reactions and thank Tytung for this amazing rom !

very nice
have fun with this rom!!!!!!

The rom is a bit slow anyway, HD2 is not new phone... but nice and recent rom, so it is a choice beetween old and fast or new and slow.

AFAIK, it's a kernel issue. JB kernels do not support HWA yet.
They are working on it.

I have tried to install this rom and also paranoid 2.54 following all these steps but I have a problem. When I try to connect to the internet using wifi a storm of popups with unfortunately all the time comes up until I reboot my hd2 and close my wifi connection. Is there any solution?

Optek said:
I've had indeed forgotten to partition my sd the right way.
Here are the steps I did for people that want to know.
1. Performed a task29.
2. Reinstalled MLGDR 1.3
3. Reinstalled the latest CWM 5.0.2.6 with a 300mb partition.
4. Partitioned a FAT32 primary partition with 32KB cluster size, then an EXT4 primary partition with default cluster size.
5. Flashed the tytung_jellybean_r1 kernel.
6. Flashed the NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 rom.
7. I used the NAND with DataOnEXT option.
8. Reboot.
The rom works fine and the overal speed is okay considering the HD2 hardware.
Thank you for the reactions and thank Tytung for this amazing rom !
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Is there a video of this process? I'm lost and afraid to do anything on my phone. I've been out of HD2 stuff for quite some time.

3G not working well.
Hi guys, I'm currently using [3.Nov.2012][ROM] NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 V1.2 [NativeSD] rom. My problem is, I am using my 3G 24 hrs..but after few hours of using it.. I realize that the data is switched off and I couldn't turn it on again, not just that I tried to turn it on and off manually from the setting. The icon of the data appeared but I couldn't connect to the internet anymore, my only solution is to reboot my phone.. is there any available solution for this? Thanks and appreciate it..

exhit said:
Is there a video of this process? I'm lost and afraid to do anything on my phone. I've been out of HD2 stuff for quite some time.
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Follow the guide in my sig, it's very detailed and you shouldn't really need a video. Don't bother Task29ing either, that's a bad habit and is really completely unnecessary.

exhit said:
Is there a video of this process? I'm lost and afraid to do anything on my phone. I've been out of HD2 stuff for quite some time.
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Download the HD2 Tool Kit - you can perform a Task 29, install MAGLDR and Clockwork Recovery all from this software to include custom repartitioning based on rom requirements. I installed NexusHD2 4.1.2 to NAND on my device...all the NexusHD2 ROMs have been excellent as well as NRGZ28's EnergyROM for Android which to date is my favorite but I can't resist the latest ROMs and compare it to my stepson's Galaxy S3 device and I updating it manually to 4.1.1 stock. After you do this a few times; the routine becomes pretty automatic.

Optek said:
With a 16g level 4 sd card
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you should definitely try a faster card.. class 6 or 10 is recommended.

rmsa786 said:
you should definitely try a faster card.. class 6 or 10 is recommended.
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It depends on the task, higher class cards are only significantly better when transferring files:
Cotulla said:
Operating System is often using small block transfers - 512 and 4K. 4K is ARM page size.
It's why important to do fast transfers with that size. As well sometimes overall operations before and after tranfer can take more time than data transfer itself.
Usually high class cards provide better linear speed, but it's only used when user write big files, like movies or pictures.
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(note that that's from Cotulla)
There's not much point wasting money on a high class card when a class 2 or 4 will normally do just fine.

the best and fastest rom ever
hi all,
i'm so excited with this rom that i put back my iphone 4 back in the drawer...
every thing work fast and smooth
the install process is as said in other posts and could be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1930240
dont forget to use ext4 partition and a fast sd card.
i had installed the native sd option (the third one in the aroma installer) and it works perfect!
good luck flashing the rom, and great thanks to the developpers!!!

Great room, I use SDHC class 4 and NativeSD install and it works quickly and smoothly.
Great thanks to the developpers

failed CWM programming
Hi,
Today I've been busy trying to flash NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 from Tytung.
These are the steps I did:
1. Performed a task29.
2. Installed MLGDR 1.3
3. Tried to install the latest CWM 5.0.2.6 with a 400mb partition (without sd-card).
ERROR REPORT:
DESKTOP:
An error has occurred Read below for more information
Error Description: Size is too big.
Info: .\RSPL\RSPL.cpp (800)
HD2
TO BIG 4 160 F40 EE6 PRASE CFG FAILED
AF FAILRED 6
Maybe someone can help me.

moanesyounes said:
hi all,
i'm so excited with this rom that i put back my iphone 4 back in the drawer...
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thats what we like to hear
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monsterofjungle said:
Hi,
...Error Description: Size is too big. ...
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that would be the clue, try 350.
rom needs minimum of 285 for full install (see first post)

Wow ! This thread got popular haha.
1100 views ! I hope people found these steps usefull.