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NAND DFT - Sense and free space issues

Firstly, amazing day, finally been able to get rid of winmo and get android into my NAND.
Sadly, i keep running into free space issues which is a bit frustrating. Im sure it might be something i am doing (or not doing), but was wondering if i am alone. As far as details, im running UK HD2, with DFT - SENSE rom flashed into my NAND and radio 2.15. I had no problems with the flash process and the phone generally works well.
I have apps2sd running and it says there are no apps that can be moved to the SD so i have everything where it should be. My SD is listed as 6.1gb free but internal memory is 115in use and about 38mb free. I cant even get copilot to install as it just says there is no space left (although i was running the .apk from the sd to install on the sd).
Could this be because i was previously using the sd card for android? Anyone else having these issues?
Thanks.

geekyhawkes said:
Firstly, amazing day, finally been able to get rid of winmo and get android into my NAND.
Sadly, i keep running into free space issues which is a bit frustrating. Im sure it might be something i am doing (or not doing), but was wondering if i am alone. As far as details, im running UK HD2, with DFT - SENSE rom flashed into my NAND and radio 2.15. I had no problems with the flash process and the phone generally works well.
I have apps2sd running and it says there are no apps that can be moved to the SD so i have everything where it should be. My SD is listed as 6.1gb free but internal memory is 115in use and about 38mb free. I cant even get copilot to install as it just says there is no space left (although i was running the .apk from the sd to install on the sd).
Could this be because i was previously using the sd card for android? Anyone else having these issues?
Thanks.
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Same problem with me I only have 35 mb free internal memory ,own using cotulla nand desire Rom
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try the desire hd version, it has a bit more space ..
the owner of a hd2 (us) with 1024mb have no problems with that ..

Hi
Did you try titanium backup to move apps from nand to SD, it should be better to give it a try...

Using nexushd2 I have 216 MB free space.
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Tmo US W/Desire HD 538mb Free!

frankinstine said:
Tmo US W/Desire HD 538mb Free!
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TMOUS HD2 Rocks

I just get free space only 99 mb on my hd2, i want to know why each device don't be got free space as same as ones.
My hd2 runs in Colluta's desire nand rom.
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This is not a problem with you guys, it's just with the 512 limit of our devices.
Be patient and someone /Cotulla/ will fix it so that we can install to SD card.
BTW
I just downloaded move2sd and it works just fine. Now my apps go to the sd and i've moved all possible apps to sd.
I am left with 82 mb which should be enough for txt and logs...

Im glad im not by myself with this. I guess the solution will come when the devs get chance to get ext4 up and running on our sd cards as data.img, that way the problem goes away. apps2sd/titanium etc are all fine, but if you have a lot of apps then you will always be in the situation i am of bouncing off the warning of low space.

The only problem is now the low space...
Hope the devs can add a partition from the SD that functions as the internal memory.
And people with 1024leo's should stfu. It's like saying to a blind person.. hah that's weird I can see perfectly fine.

pr0x2 said:
The only problem is now the low space...
Hope the devs can add a partition from the SD that functions as the internal memory.
And people with 1024leo's should stfu. It's like saying to a blind person.. hah that's weird I can see perfectly fine.
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Totally agree with the ignorant TMOUS owners saying they have no problems. I used to put a 4gb data.img in with my builds to make sure I had plenty of space. Still early days so lets wait for TMOUS users to come forward saying they have used up all their memory.
Putting that aside, the same problem happens with most other devices. I suppose using Android from SD card we had the luxury of choosing how big data.img to have. Now we are in the same boat as other Android handsets with the exception we cant go into recovery mode. If we could go into recovery mode then we could partition the SD card into two partitions. One for sd card usage like music, pictures etc and the other partition as ext3 to expand the phone memory onto the sd card.
If Cotulla or the DFT enables us to use our device in recovery mode, maybe they should only make it for HD2 Europe devices, seeing as TMOUS owners are all saying they have plenty of memory.

Google Earth and Flash Player are killing me.
They still hold much space after moving to sd.
Looking forward to app2ext.

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Totally agree with the ignorant TMOUS owners saying they have no problems. I used to put a 4gb data.img in with my builds to make sure I had plenty of space. Still early days so lets wait for TMOUS users to come forward saying they have used up all their memory.
Putting that aside, the same problem happens with most other devices. I suppose using Android from SD card we had the luxury of choosing how big data.img to have. Now we are in the same boat as other Android handsets with the exception we cant go into recovery mode. If we could go into recovery mode then we could partition the SD card into two partitions. One for sd card usage like music, pictures etc and the other partition as ext3 to expand the phone memory onto the sd card.
If Cotulla or the DFT enables us to use our device in recovery mode, maybe they should only make it for HD2 Europe devices, seeing as TMOUS owners are all saying they have plenty of memory.
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Sorry man, not tring to be ignorant, I do love my TMo HD2. Ido agree with you on the ext3. I have my N1 w/a2sd and its awesome, no need to worry about space.I had about 95+ apps at one time and still had 150mb free of internal. Im guessing once we get a recovery img. we can then get the ext3 and a2sd working as it should. I have clockworks recovery on my N1 and works awsome. You can Backup any part of your rom even your ext3. Also Amon_RA's recovery is good too cause it has PSfreedom implemented, for those looking at PSFreedom Modds

[Q] HTC HD2 with 1gb ram? Android flashing problem.

Hi everybody
I am using a android SD build with exceller boot loader. today i was about to flash MAGDLR on it so then i can flash Android NAND build, but when i did active sync and i opened the option to view my files on my sd card, here comes the problem when i opened it i saw two 1GB disks.
I only have 1GB sd card in there and i thought HTC hd2's only have 576mb of ram then why is it showing me two 1GB disks.
I can upload a Picture if u would like to see it.
Thanks.

1gb of RAM? You mean ROM right? Rom is internal storage while ram is active memory or whatever, i won't dive into it.
Well maybe your phone is a TMOUS HD2, which has 1 gb of ROM, EU hd2's have only 512mb.
If you see a t-mobile logo at the top of your phone, your phone is a TMOUS hd2.

do u mean, when i install an app it install its on the ROM?
"I am not a NOOB"

It matters not whether or not the HD2 has 576 ram or what not, why would the ram show up as a place as to where you could store files? It's not supposed to happen or possible. >.>

You're running winmo on NAND and boot android through SD card, correct?
1gb refers to the NAND storage
1gb refers to your SD card
These are ROMs, not RAM.

Yes I got it. It was the nand storage and now I have installed android on it so it is done now.
Thank you all
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[Q] What is my HD2?

How do i know if my HD2 is the leo 1024 or 512 or Tmous?

If it's a tmous version. it will have a T-mobile logo on top of the screen and a green button for picking up call and red button for hanging up. also, 1024 is the same as tmous

All TMous are 1024

Can you get 1024s on O2 UK, cos I'm running android off SD card, and need to store apps on the phone storage, and it says I have 1gb internal memory? I'm slightly confused, cos it says this in Winmo as well

O2 use the EU 512's
The apps that only run from phone memory need to be installed there, but use app 2 sd to move the apps that will work on the sd card

Nigeldg said:
Can you get 1024s on O2 UK, cos I'm running android off SD card, and need to store apps on the phone storage, and it says I have 1gb internal memory? I'm slightly confused, cos it says this in Winmo as well
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Like post #2 said if you have a red end/power button and a green send/call button and have T-Mobile in silver at the top of the device right under th ear speacker. Then you have a TMOUS HD2. Also if you had 1024MB in the ROM flash,memory in Settings>About Phone>Hardware Information in Windows Mobile you have a TMOUS.
Where exactly are you lookin at in the settings while in Android to see 1GB of memory? I have a TMOUS and I am running Android from NAND and I only see 411MB of Memory on mime.

I think the OP means he has 1gb memory but i assume means that the data image file within thr android sd build is 1gb .img. This i assume is what is used to store all the apps and.data when running android from SD card (1gb = loads of android storage) If i am correct then the oeiginal 448mb that is reserved for stock winmo and can only be used while booted un winmo...ie...is untouched when running android from the sd card...I Think!

Con500 said:
I think the OP means he has 1gb memory but i assume means that the data image file within thr android sd build is 1gb .img. This i assume is what is used to store all the apps and.data when running android from SD card (1gb = loads of android storage) If i am correct then the oeiginal 448mb that is reserved for stock winmo and can only be used while booted un winmo...ie...is untouched when running android from the sd card...I Think!
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Dang how did I miss the fact he was talking about a SD card build, crap must have been off in la la land when I read that post.

How come when you run Magdlr cwm zips you have a limited amount of memory compared to a sd android build. i thought the tmous had 1gb memory?

Sorry, My bad...my post wasnt in reference to the OPs original question but was instead referencing Nigeldk post
Slightly confused tho as to how or why you can see 1gb internal memory in winmo. are you maybe seeing 1gb avialable storage on your memory sd card while in winmo? Since im sure my EU hd2 only shows 448mb "intenal storage" but in reality only has around 199mb avialable for actual personal programme/media storage. I assume the remainder of the 448mb is given to the actual winmo system apps/files. Dont take my word for it tho as im pretty new to the hd2 and still working things out

MAGLDR had to be compatible with all HD2's that ment that the size was limited to 512MB since only the US tmobile HD2 has the 1G nand.. so what ever you put magldr only wrights to about 512MB
(so ive heard, and makes sense) feel free to correct me
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hakuchi18v said:
MAGLDR had to be compatible with all HD2's that ment that the size was limited to 512MB since only the US tmobile HD2 has the 1G nand.. so what ever you put magldr only wrights to about 512MB
(so ive heard, and makes sense) feel free to correct me
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You are correct the DFT had to make MAGLDR compatible with all HD2's. Being that the TMOUS has 1024MB of ROM and the EU HD2's has 512MB of ROM. but I do not think it is limited to 512MB of ROM cause if that was the case you would not have separate ROM downloads for EU HD2's and TMOUS HD2's.
I do know though that MAGLDR was made to work with the TMOUS's 576MB of RAM just like the TMOUS Win Mo ROMs. This is why you have to have a 2.07.50.xx or higher radio with MAGLDR and also why MAGLDR unlocks the extra 128MB of RAM in the EU HD2's

I was probably looking at the wrong thing. It says 576mb in actual fact, which makes more sense. Thank you so much for your help

NAND or SD?

Yes I've searched and have not found a definite answer.
Sorry I'm new to the HD2 coming from a Vibrant but was wondering what is faster and more efficient?
NAND or SD?

Alanrocks15 said:
Yes I've searched and have not found a definite answer.
Sorry I'm new to the HD2 coming from a Vibrant but was wondering what is faster and more efficient?
NAND or SD?
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NAND has more ROMs and seems better on battery life, but both are good.
If you are going to be Android only (no WP7 Dual-Boot) I'd probably go NAND. However, here are the things I like more about sd:
1) This ROM IMO is better than any NAND I've seen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652
2) You get more "phone storage" because you can basically choose how much space you have. This eliminates the need for an ext partition on your SD or any fear of running out of app space.
3) multiple ROMs. You can have like 5 roms on SD and all you do is tell the bootloader which to load or change the folder name and it boots!
For those reasons I prefer SD, but NAND offers more choices.

From what I've found, speed wise...just depends on the rom but typically NAND is faster. Stability wise NAND is from what I've used and tried. But it mainly depends on which OS you have on NAND Windows wise from what I've gathered but I don't have any interest in WM6.5 so I've ran all NAND builds lately without any issues.
I have setup a dual boot of WP7 and SD Android and it worked ok but found I typically didn't boot into WP7 as much so I wiped and went NAND Android

orangekid said:
2) You get more "phone storage" because you can basically choose how much space you have. This eliminates the need for an ext partition on your SD or any fear of running out of app space.
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With the built in Apps 2 SD in Gingerbread it's a easy transfer to memory card without having to install a ext partition. It's all built in on the Applications menu to move them to the SD card to free up app space in the memory

with nand you can also have multi roms on your sd and flash at random. i have about 3 i like best and then flash when i feel the need for a change. i personally prefer nand over sd but if you ask someone else they're likely to disagree. the big reason i like nand over sd is because i see a huge difference in battery life with nand and i also prefer android over winmo. if you like winmo and would use it then go the sd route but if you dont like it & dont plan to use it then go the nand route.

[Q] Android A2SD question

hello,i have a t-mobile HD2 that cannot boot any android rom(SD or NAND)so my guess is that my bad blocks don't let my phone boot Android...so here is my question:with A2SD I install the rom to the SD card(which is virtually converted to NAND or something?) or not??if someone finds any solution about my problem i would be grateful

tsagas said:
hello,i have a t-mobile HD2 that cannot boot any android rom(SD or NAND)so my guess is that my bad blocks don't let my phone boot Android...so here is my question:with A2SD I install the rom to the SD card(which is virtually converted to NAND or something?) or not??if someone finds any solution about my problem i would be grateful
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I don't have any clue what your actual question is supposed to mean, but if you can't install SD Android then it isn't anything to do with bad blocks. You need to give more information, such as which type of HD2 you have, what radio it has, do you have HSPL, what steps you've taken so far etc. Nobody can help without sufficient information.
Sent from my NexusHD2 using XDA

Nigeldg said:
I don't have any clue what your actual question is supposed to mean, but if you can't install SD Android then it isn't anything to do with bad blocks. You need to give more information, such as which type of HD2 you have, what radio it has, do you have HSPL, what steps you've taken so far etc. Nobody can help without sufficient information.
Sent from my NexusHD2 using XDA
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I have HSPL,my HD2 is a t-mobile my radio is 2.15.50,14 and i follow each and every step the guides i found in this foroum provide...whenever is NAND or SD version

tsagas said:
hello,i have a t-mobile HD2 that cannot boot any android rom(SD or NAND)so my guess is that my bad blocks don't let my phone boot Android...so here is my question:with A2SD I install the rom to the SD card(which is virtually converted to NAND or something?) or not??if someone finds any solution about my problem i would be grateful
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Do u have HSPL 2.08?

adil1508 said:
Do u have HSPL 2.08?
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yes i do

tsagas said:
hello,i have a t-mobile HD2 that cannot boot any android rom(SD or NAND)so my guess is that my bad blocks don't let my phone boot Android...so here is my question:with A2SD I install the rom to the SD card(which is virtually converted to NAND or something?) or not??if someone finds any solution about my problem i would be grateful
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I still don't quite understand what the actual issue is. Do ANY ROMs boot on your phone? The reason I ask is because you later contradict this original statement by saying something about A2SD moving your apps to the SD card.

Nigeldg said:
I still don't quite understand what the actual issue is. Do ANY ROMs boot on your phone? The reason I ask is because you later contradict this original statement by saying something about A2SD moving your apps to the SD card.
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None ROM boots on my phone:/and i asked if A2SD installs the rom into SD or something...

tsagas said:
None ROM boots on my phone:/and i asked if A2SD installs the rom into SD or something...
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A2SD does not install the ROM to NAND nor does it install NAND to SD. It install apps to your SD card, apps that you use on your phone.
NAND ROMs are flashed directly to your phone and completely remove Windows.
SD ROMS are ran from your SD card with your Windows still functioning when you want.

Dblfstr said:
A2SD does not install the ROM to NAND nor does it install NAND to SD. It install apps to your SD card, apps that you use on your phone.
NAND ROMs are flashed directly to your phone and completely remove Windows.
SD ROMS are ran from your SD card with your Windows still functioning when you want.
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Hehe, Windows Mobile doesn't 'function', it simply exists

tsagas said:
None ROM boots on my phone:/and i asked if A2SD installs the rom into SD or something...
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Have you installed MAGLDR and partitioned your internal memory by flashing ClockWorkMod Recovery(CWM)?? And Apps2SD doesnt install any rom. Its just used to transfer applications that run on the internal memory to the sd-ext.(partion of sd card)
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA

adil1508 said:
Have you installed MAGLDR and partitioned your internal memory by flashing ClockWorkMod Recovery(CWM)?? And Apps2SD doesnt install any rom. Its just used to transfer applications that run on the internal memory to the sd-ext.(partion of sd card)
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thats the thing...every time i try to flash CWM i get stucked on Go Go Go!(when i press AD Recovery)

I ve also tried to make bigger partitions and nothing happened...

tsagas said:
I ve also tried to make bigger partitions and nothing happened...
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I have a hd2 too.
magldr 1.13 .... clockwormod 5.0.2.6 ... Nexushd2 ics 4.0.4 - rom... a2SD-Script ...
200mb nand-partition..5mb cache-partition.. 1 gb ext4-partition and 400 mb swap-partition
I installed my rom witht "hd2 toolkit 4.2.0.1", that can be downloaded here on "xda-developers".
With this tookit you can do followed things:
- Start with a "full wipe" called "task 29" (I think this "task 29" is necessary for your hd2, because of your problems and bad issues you are reporting)
- then partition your nand-memory (for first install i recommen 200mb nand an 40 mb cache - after you recognized that it works, you can reduce cashe to 10 or 5 mb)
- install magldr
- install clockworkmod recovery
- install your rom