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I haven't seen a thread on this yet, but what are the differences between the two? Both have a working market.
The dude's .08
+Teeter
+PDFviewer
+H build music widget
*H Build calendar widget
-possible mic issues
-possible sound level isues/bluetooth
-reported slowe
-more basic animations (fancier ones can be enabled with spareparts)
Haykuro 5.0.2G
+reported faster
+nicer animations
-calendar widget doesn't update unless phone/widget restarted
If anyone has anything comments/issues/advantages post them up so i can update this.
I downloaded The Dude's .08 before the market started working for Kaykuro builds, so I'd be interested in seeing this comparison as well. So far I have no reason to switch from The Dude's.
thedudes build seemed slower on my phone, about the same speed as JF rc33 and haykuros H build, while haykuros G build is like lightning on my phone. thedude had the same fade rotate animation but could use the fancy rotate animation from spareparts(which is my fave) but the home didn't autorotate. the dude also has the same calendar widget and music widget as the H build. The calendar widget in haykuro's G build doesn't actually update you have to either restart your phone or delete the widget and put a new one out, I didn't use thedudes long enough to know if its fixed in his
were can i get hyruko wat ever at lol
jose-n-liany08 said:
were can i get hyruko wat ever at lol
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wat? dis is were, http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/ lol
Not had any mic issues with my phone on dude's, nor any sound issues (can't vouch for bluetooth, I don't have anything that uses it). As for speed, I haven't used Haykuro's, so I have no idea if it's any faster (if it is, I doubt it's that much faster, dude's is plenty fast). I use the basic animations because the fancy ones annoy me, and they probably use more battery.
I just tried Haykuro's 5.0.2G build. It's not bad, but the market crashes on me when installing new apps. The Dude's .08 build isn't bad either, but I don't like the junk included with it (teeter, pdf reader etc.). It also seems to feel a little more 'unfinished' than Haykuro's builds (keyboard auto correction, etc.). I have noticed no difference in speed at all.
I'm going to try the latest H build now... Can't seem to find a build that really satisfies yet.
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I just tried Haykuro's 5.0.2G build. It's not bad, but the market crashes on me when installing new apps. The Dude's .08 build isn't bad either, but I don't like the junk included with it (teeter, pdf reader etc.). It also seems to feel a little more 'unfinished' than Haykuro's builds (keyboard auto correction, etc.). I have noticed no difference in speed at all.
I'm going to try the latest H build now... Can't seem to find a build that really satisfies yet.
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You can remove the stuff that you don't want. That's the beauty of having a rooted phone.
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I personally have used Haykuro's G build until the Market broke. Then have switched to Dude's version. Honestly I have not experienced any issues with it. I can't say it's slower or faster than Haykuro's build. So unless there is something new added to Haykuro's G that Dude's version does not have, I'm sticking with it.
I went from JF's RC33 to The Dude's .08 and one of the first things I noticed was the volume level in The Dude was noticeably lower. Maxed out, the volume on JF and stock RC33 was like 50% louder than The Dude's .08 maxed out. I'm talking about ringtone/notification volumes that are produced from the onboard speaker, not in headphones.
Haven't downloaded Haykuro's builds yet so I can't compare that at the moment.
Haykuro ver will better than Dude ver. Haykuro ver have imaging interface, almost feature is good. Please check out my topic, you will be able make your H-build better. I like H build, It support 3d module. I see that G build lost this mudule.
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Haykuro ver will better than Dude ver. Haykuro ver have imaging interface, almost feature is good. Please check out my topic, you will be able make your H-build better. I like H build, It support 3d module. I see that G build lost this mudule.
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Rather than going to different threads & posting the same thing, why not inform people how to add this to the g build?? Instead of "hey mine is better" & sticking your tongue out at us, why not just have one badass build with the best of both worlds?
oo the market werks now in haykuro lol, the dude build is fine not much problems, i think... i wonder if i should switch back.
Im on dude .8 and its cool everything works and it runs smooth. I used the Hakykuro 5.0.1g but market didnt work so i didnt use it for long but i guess i will have to try it again.
I've used both versions and haven't really noticed any speed difference. Only thing I've noticed is the dude's version is missing auto correct. Other than that both are pretty close. I guess Haykuro's is a little more finished but he has been working on it longer. Both are really nice and are getting close to perfect.
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I've used both versions and haven't really noticed any speed difference. Only thing I've noticed is the dude's version is missing auto correct. Other than that both are pretty close. I guess Haykuro's is a little more finished but he has been working on it longer. Both are really nice and are getting close to perfect.
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actually the auto correct works...
i think both of them are great builds im just wondering why neither one of them put in the voice search , i use that app all the time , anyone know how to add it in?
they both work well
I only used the Dude's build for about a day before the market issue sorted itself out for Haykuro's G build, but I found it perfectly fine as a daily driver generally speaking and enjoying some aspects of it quite a bit. I'm sure I didn't note all the differences, but these were the things that stood out to me:
The "fancy" animations can be enabled via Spare Parts, which might be nice for some, but I use dxTop and I found the fancy animations to be pretty slow and clumsy on my phone and turned them off.
PDF reader is very cool and something I plan to install on Haykruo's G build when I get around to it (assuming the directions I've seen for doing so work that is).
Teeter is cool IMHO but I think that can be installed on the G build too.
The keyboard auto-correct absence was not too bothersome to me since I've primarily been using the original HTC keyboard in funbacon's tutorial and it works good on both builds outside of Gmail itself, where I couldn't get the HTC vk to work in either case. It's not a big deal to switch back to the Android Keyboard if I want to tap out a Gmail one handed, but not ideal really. In those instances the G build is preferred due to the presence of auto-correct/suggest on the Android Keyboard.
The Dude's build supports the "three-fingered-salute" reboot option as well as Gscript or terminal reboots, which is a big plus for me since I'm rebooting my phone several times a day generally (I know, it's a little weird). Neither of these work on Haykuro's G build at the moment.
I didn't spend too much time playing with the camera and camcorder on the Dude's build, but the video playback seemed to still have problems and, although the very fancy camera and camcorder apps of Haykuro's H build are appealing, the basic G build camera seems to work fine for the most part.
I believe the new Forecast widget works on all three of the common 1.5 builds, but unfortunately not with dxTop.
I switched to Haykuro 5.0.2G for now as I perceive it to be faster/smoother overall, but it's possible I'm just more used to it. It's also possible that restoring data.img from the G build when I switched to Dude v8 caused some subtle compatibility/stability issues as well, so I'll probably flash Dudecake after a wipe and set up my phone (apps and settings) from scratch to get a better idea of how the OS performs overall.
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Haykuro ver will better than Dude ver. Haykuro ver have imaging interface, almost feature is good. Please check out my topic, you will be able make your H-build better. I like H build, It support 3d module. I see that G build lost this mudule.
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I don't really understand what you are saying. The purppose of this thread is to discuss the G builds. Until H has the google keyboard in it I am gonna stay away. Are you saying the H has openGL and G is missing it? That would be good to know.
weird, 5.0G supported call-menu-end reboot, but 5.01Gr4 doesnt... Also every version of haykuro's G i've used has had the pdfviewer installed by default
i tried both and i'm sticking with haykuro's build for now.
Its faster than the dude's version for some reason even though the dude is using the latest code from the master branch.
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!
First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.
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First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.
I've tried a lot of android builds whilst the development has been going on and found that Bangster's 1.4 coupled with Michy's R11 was the best for me with regard to screen sensitivity and keyboard accuracy.
I recently had a dabble with m-deejay's next-gen builds Desire HD/Z etc (which are excellent by the way, credit to him), and found that I was getting a lot of screen bounce, missed button presses and a very frustating keyboard experience (Hastarin R7.1). Pressing and holding the delete key for example would result in keypresses bouncing all over the place, sometimes several keys removed from the delete key. I tried a plain Froyo Sense build and found the same thing, although not quite as bad.
So, I decided to try the bare kernel from Michyprima's R11 (AXI, Desire, OC) on my current Froyo Desire build just to see if it was down to the kernal 100%. Instant bounce removal... keyboard is accurate and now when I press & hold on the home screen, I don't get the screen wobbling from side to side as the software thinks that I'm moving my finger around rapidly.
To recap; it seems like I was getting more bounce with Hastarin's R7.1 than any other, but certainly Michy's R11 (Desire based) is making my phone usable again. It really was bad before.
More messing required methinks... I may re-load the Desire Z build on to my SD card and try R11 to see what it's like. One thing I remember is whilst trying m-deejay's Desire HD 3.1 (which had an Evo kernel IIRC), keyboard bounce was almost non-existant. It wasn't until I changed to D-HD 3.3 that the keyboard became a pain to use (Hastarin R7.1).
Hastarin if you read this, please note this is by no means a dig, I have the greatest respect for all the guys posting builds here, these are just my obvservations.
As with all things Android/HD2 related, YMMV. Your thoughts are welcome.
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Edit: I've taken a couple of quick videos of m-deejay's brand new 3.4 Desire HD build showing this phenomenon (kernal is huanyu's #21). Replacing the zImage with Michy's R11 virtually eliminates it.
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Video 2 - keyboard
Could this be Windows ROM related? Might flash another WinMo ROM to see if it's any different.
Edit 2 Sent my HD2 back to HTC today, hopefully for TS replacement... see relevant post here.
Edit 3 Received my HD2 back from HTC's repair department. Problem fixed. No more bouncing Relevant post here.
No-one else with similar experiences?
Me too!
previously was using M-deejay's froyo sense 2.2 and the keyboard was a great improvement from my old stock HD2 Windows keyboard, which was oversensitive and jumps alot, making typing a hassle. I did not have any problems with the froyo sense 2.2 keyboard, it was accurate and sufficiently responsive, and even have my essential chinese input.
However, after the 2.4 version was released, i updated it, and noted that the browser's bookmark crashes. So i though, why not give EVO Sense 1.6 a try?
Btw, i did not realise any problems with the 2.4 keyboard, so it's probably as good as the 2.2 version.
Then i ran EVO sense 1.6, and i feel that the keyboard is different. Firstly it's the additional arrow buttons below, which is useful, and more like the original HD2's keyboard. Then it also has chinese input.
BUT i experience alot of the "bouncing" problems, if not more than my original HD2 windows rom. tried calibrating a few times, and deleting the calibration, but it doesn't help.
i want to emphasize again i am very grateful to all the developers like M-deejay, Hastarin, for developing all these builds that are effectively working. this is likewise, just my observation.
Anyone else? I can't believe it's just us two!
Videos added to 1st post.
I tried to replicate your problem (m-deejay's Desire HD 3.4) but I coulnd't. I also thinkg that the keyboarad its not as accurate as some of the builds but its not that bad as yours.
I'm sorry to say but the lag with the keyboard kinda looks funny
My keyboard isn't very accurate too. Sometimes it just takes the wrong key. I mean when I press the backslash it takes "m" or something although i was pressing backslash. This was on Hastarin 4.1.
But it really seems to be kernel related. With the r11 my keyboard is okay.
I don't think is caused by the WM ROM, but which one do you use?
have the same prob!
yep...and I get phantom touches also.
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I tried to replicate your problem (m-deejay's Desire HD 3.4) but I coulnd't. I also thinkg that the keyboarad its not as accurate as some of the builds but its not that bad as yours.
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I'm sorry to say but the lag with the keyboard kinda looks funny
My keyboard isn't very accurate too. Sometimes it just takes the wrong key. I mean when I press the backslash it takes "m" or something although i was pressing backslash. This was on Hastarin 4.1.
But it really seems to be kernel related. With the r11 my keyboard is okay.
I don't think is caused by the WM ROM, but which one do you use?
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have the same prob!
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yep...and I get phantom touches also.
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Try changing your zImage to Michyprima's R11 and post your findings
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No-one else with similar experiences?
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OK ! very common HD2 touchscreen failure! ...ur touchscreen is defective ....there are many threads already on xda regarding this ...but could not be solved because this is a hardware problem ...this even happens in winmo ! here are the youtube videos having same problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhrA3u4rcI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJJ1eyM9FM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHn9CaHFpk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY60I9Z0RU0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSvAlqw6HJw&feature=more_related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hIE_wV4djs&feature=more_related
and here is my thread about this in detail - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745255
so , the conclusion is ...u have to get ur screen replaced under warranty ....i had the same problem with my hd2 ...and i got so pissed ...so get ur screen changed and that is the only solution !
hope that helps -
cheers
coolbeer1990
Got it to but not in my homescreen. When I am typing with swype ... When I try to delete a word it will write 10 :X nice feature but its really anoying. But lets wait I thing dev know about it let wait for nand and the bother them with this. I heard It is a long way to nand
coolbeer1990 said:
so , the conclusion is ...u have to get ur screen replaced under warranty ....i had the same problem with my hd2 ...and i got so pissed ...so get ur screen changed and that is the only solution !
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Thanks for your reply. However, my screen isn't defective as I don't have this problem in Windows and using a different kernel fixes it.
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thanks for your reply. However, my screen isn't defective as i don't have this problem in windows and using a different kernel fixes it.
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that's great my friend
Well.. i have the same thing in hastarins latest kernel
I dont have this on DesireZ out the box.
I have MDeejay's latest Desire HD build and have this problem, how do I fix it? If I need to replace the Kernel how do I do it? What side effects will it have?
Thanks in advance
keyboard bounce also experienced by me when i am trying to type fast, using hastrin r7.1 as well, maybe is caused by the touchscreen delay?
have you tried keyboard calibration?
in the setting menu ..
it ask you to type that ..lazy brown fox jumps..
it helps me alot.. well some of it i guess
and also try the schrub bartome build. the keyboard is perfect-iphone like. im using this build for day use
I experience the same issue with the new kernel releases. But with hastarin #3 the touchscreen works normally.
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Ok guys, so i was very disappointed with the android keyboard. Its a great keyboard but something about it and the nexus just didn't work well in landscape mode. So i was browsing around the forums and i found a port, i decided to try it out. Now, its a simple apk file that doesnt replace the original one. To me it seems a bit better, i think the keys are a bit wider but then it might just be me. I wanted to post it here and have some of you guys try it out and tell me if there is a difference or if i just think its different. Tell me your guy's feedback, thanks.
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Ok guys, so i was very disappointed with the android keyboard. Its a great keyboard but something about it and the nexus just didn't work well in landscape mode. So i was browsing around the forums and i found a port, i decided to try it out. Now, its a simple apk file that doesnt replace the original one. To me it seems a bit better, i think the keys are a bit wider but then it might just be me. I wanted to post it here and have some of you guys try it out and tell me if there is a difference or if i just think its different. Tell me your guy's feedback, thanks.
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I'm giving it a try, I'll let you know in a few days how I like it.
Just installed this... I do believe the keys are a bit bigger in this version, but it's very subtle.
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Just installed this... I do believe the keys are a bit bigger in this version, but it's very subtle.
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It is a bit taller and very subtle but i think thats what i was really looking for, something a bit taller. In landscape the space is easier to push and the rest of the key aren't bad. I have to say i am quite happy with this one.
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It is a bit taller and very subtle but i think thats what i was really looking for, something a bit taller. In landscape the space is easier to push and the rest of the key aren't bad. I have to say i am quite happy with this one.
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The other slight difference I can tell is that the keys are slightly rounded as opposed to the squared off keys on stock.
Works for me - seems to produce fewer errors than the stock keyboard - thanks!
Rich
Been using this keyboard since yesterday and it's quite nice. Thanks for posting the link.
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Been using this keyboard since yesterday and it's quite nice. Thanks for posting the link.
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Agreed. Its quite nice. I've had a lot fewer errors (auto-corrected or not) than on the stock keyboard. Nice post OP!
Giving it a shot and seems to be better so far.
As a huge critic of the stock keyboard, I'm very excited to try this. Installing now. Will drop feedback after a day or two of use.
Initial impressions:
-Yes, the keys are definitely higher, slightly so. This should make it feel less cramped. I can tell already the extra room makes it easier to type.
-I still wish we can long press respective letter keys to get to their alternative symbols as oppose to only being able to long press the period key to find commons symbols.
-This will take more time to test, but it seems it's harder to recreate the double-letter hit issue which I criticize the keyboard heavily about. If this turns out to be true... hurray! Kenvan, have you noticed the double-letter issue popping up less? EDIT: Nevermind, it's rearing its ugly head again, but my early impression seems to show it happening less, which is a good start.
OP, where did you find this alternative? Thanks for sharing. I can tell it's better than stock just for the shear extra room. I ask because I'm wondering if the creator did anything else software-wise to make it better, if you all are reporting it's less prone to errors. I'd be curious to know what he did.
nvm need more research.
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As a huge critic of the stock keyboard, I'm very excited to try this. Installing now. Will drop feedback after a day or two of use.
Initial impressions:
-Yes, the keys are definitely higher, slightly so. This should make it feel less cramped. I can tell already the extra room makes it easier to type.
-I still wish we can long press respective letter keys to get to their alternative symbols as oppose to only being able to long press the period key to find commons symbols.
-This will take more time to test, but it seems it's harder to recreate the double-letter hit issue which I criticize the keyboard heavily about. If this turns out to be true... hurray! Kenvan, have you noticed the double-letter issue popping up less? EDIT: Nevermind, it's rearing its ugly head again, but my early impression seems to show it happening less, which is a good start.
OP, where did you find this alternative? Thanks for sharing. I can tell it's better than stock just for the shear extra room. I ask because I'm wondering if the creator did anything else software-wise to make it better, if you all are reporting it's less prone to errors. I'd be curious to know what he did.
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Yea i read your post on the other keyboard thread you started. Yea so far i am really noticing a lot better results with this keyboard. I have been testing it for a week now and its going great. I was browsing around the android section in the threads and i found it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878073&highlight=Keyboard
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Yea i read your post on the other keyboard thread you started. Yea so far i am really noticing a lot better results with this keyboard. I have been testing it for a week now and its going great. I was browsing around the android section in the threads and i found it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878073&highlight=Keyboard
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Hmmm...that's odd. Per the first post of that thread, this is just a port of the Gingerbread keyboard that was originally made for earlier versions of Android.
So this is our stock keyboard with what modifications. The changelog in that post doesn't suggest anything special about it in terms of making it better on our Nexus S than the stock.
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Hmmm...that's odd. Per the first post of that thread, this is just a port of the Gingerbread keyboard that was originally made for earlier versions of Android.
So this is our stock keyboard with what modifications. The changelog in that post doesn't suggest anything special about it in terms of making it better on our Nexus S than the stock.
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Yes, i was a bit hesitant to try this because i figured it was just our keyboard ported over but its different from our keyboard. Its a very slight difference, but a difference indeed. The keys are slightly longer and that just seems to make things a bit easier, for me and so far for the few who have attempted the keyboard. I took a screen shot of both stock and this ported stock, i guess you can call it, and you can see the slight difference.
Plus, i was just wandering around and i found this thread and thought "what the heck, let see it," it was never originally meant to go onto the nexus s but it seems better than what came with nexus s.
This keyboard rocks. Thank you!
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After a typing all day with this version of the stock keyboard, I am noticing it produces the same issues/errors as the regular stock version. I'm still noticing the double-letter hits with the first words of letters and/or the last words of letters ("eexample" or "examplee"); I'm also still noticing missed presses ("exmple"), but on the plus side: I am noticing far less missed space bar presses. Another issue that still occurs is the system missing auto corrections that it would normally get. For example, typing "tgan" usually automatically corrects to "than" but sometimes it misses it, and I see "tgan" throughout my emails. Very frustrating.
I predict the reason most people are reporting less errors using this version versus the reg. version is because of the higher keys. This alone makes this version better than the reg. version. But in terms of software, it's more or less the same, and the same problems creep up.
In the end, I'm going to return to Better Keyboard 8. Although it has the same issues (double-letters, etc.), at least it's features are more robust. Quick "?" key, or long-press for all letters alone makes it far easier to type on. Key height adjustment allows you to pick what's perfect for you too, and etc.
Honestly, it's disappointing and straight up baffled why Google themselves don't just implement all or some of these features to their keyboard. Sorely missing from both the stock keyboard and BK8 are custom auto-corrections, a feature Smart Keyboard Pro implements flawlessly. It's just a shame SKP has its own slew of issues with Gingerbread (it misses space bar and letters like crazy); oddly, none of these issues happen using SKP on my Vibrant. I don't know why.
In any case, thanks again for sharing, OP.
I am currently running a NAND Android build on my HD2.
I want to test out WP7. Is there a SD card build for WP7 instead? I don't want to erase my current NAND Android build, so is there a way to run WP7 from SD card instead?
nope, not yet, and in my opinion not very likely either
Was looking for something similar
Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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Isn't the multitouch a HW limitation? i expect to ever see that working correctly...
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Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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its unlikey that there will be any fixes for anything, and to be honest its not an issue anyway, multi touch works fine, you just have to adapt a little.
I used WM then moved to Android for my social dealings and finally ive moved to a 100% WP device and you cant pay me to move back, wp is a rock solid OS that works well, I used to mod the crap out of WM and droid OSs now i really dont feel the need to and i dont miss not being able to do it either, its very odd to start with but a couple of weeks later and im converted!
Gotta agree with Dazza. I've used it exclusivley for three months now. It is nearly flawless. There are a few points where I know I am hitting limitations due to the hack (Multi touch works, just not flawlessly). but these are no more, in fact less so than the flaws I always seemed to hit running android and there is no comparison to old WM builds. Even with the awesome ROM's that were available towards the end.
Even without NoDo or Mango, even with multi touch that will never be more than 2 point and sometimes be slower to respond then I would like, this will see me through to my next upgrade when I'll get whatever the latest WP7 iron is and my HD2 will be nailed to my wall in homage to the most ground breaking phone I can remember. even 2 years later it's versatility keeps it in the game!
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Isn't the multitouch a HW limitation? i expect to ever see that working correctly...
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It technically is and isn't. HTC says that the HD2 can support more than 2 point multitouch, but the software limits it to 2. But that is for Windows Mobile 6.5! So, in theory, it can be fixed, but the process to do so is not worth it.
And if you really want to, you can run NAND Windows Phone 7 and SD Android together
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its unlikey that there will be any fixes for anything, and to be honest its not an issue anyway, multi touch works fine, you just have to adapt a little.
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Works fine? No it doesn't. You have to press your fingers on the screen at exactly the same time for it to be recognised. This makes playing multitouch games almost impossible and makes other multitouch features within the OS (browsing and photo viewing for example) a chore at best.
Still, if you're happy with it that's all that matters.
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It technically is and isn't. HTC says that the HD2 can support more than 2 point multitouch, but the software limits it to 2. But that is for Windows Mobile 6.5! So, in theory, it can be fixed, but the process to do so is not worth it.
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HTC doesn't say it supports for the 2-point multitouch. One random customer service person that works at HTC who probably didn't know what they were talking about doesn't count as HTC saying that.
Every dev that has worked on the touch screen or drivers for it have said its a hardware limitation of 2 point... and it's not even true, full 2point touch... that touch sensor was actually only designed to do pinch to zoom, but the clever devs were able to write drivers that allow us as close to real 2point multitouch we'll get on the HD2. But there's the problem of if your 2 fingers get close to the same axis line, it will register them as on the same line. That happens with our touch screen because it was designed for only pinch to zoom type multitouch originally.
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Works fine? No it doesn't. You have to press your fingers on the screen at exactly the same time for it to be recognised. This makes playing multitouch games almost impossible and makes other multitouch features within the OS (browsing and photo viewing for example) a chore at best.
Still, if you're happy with it that's all that matters.
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thats very much open to ones needs, I dont really play games so for me, once you adapt your fingers to hit at the same time there isnt an issue.
Too much hatin' going on here... or should I say pessimism?
Everyone just remember how TERRIBLE android was when it was first ported to the HD2. As for WP7, the first build I tried after 3 months is almost FLAWLESS. It is so fast, smooth, you can get Live services running in a few moments with just a few tweaks AND you can dual boot with Android. I see WP7 improvements on the horizon.
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Too much hatin' going on here... or should I say pessimism?
Everyone just remember how TERRIBLE android was when it was first ported to the HD2. As for WP7, the first build I tried after 3 months is almost FLAWLESS. It is so fast, smooth, you can get Live services running in a few moments with just a few tweaks AND you can dual boot with Android. I see WP7 improvements on the horizon.
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im glade you do, i dont, but o be honest there is very little id want changed, bar wp7 updates, actual hd2 compatibility updates are unlikely to change in the near future
Thanks for the reply guys. I upgraded to Gingerbread and find it very stable with improved performance. I am no longer interested in WP7...
Good for you, OP. I used WP7 for a few weeks, but it was too slow, ate too much of my battery even on standby, had no decent free nav, had few decent apps that I needed, was horribly hamstrung, and offered an abominable web surfing experience. On the positive side, it was smooth as silk and the boot time was amazing.
I think it still has potential, but I'll wait for WP7.9 or whatever they'll call it. I live in the present and I can't waste time using an OS because of what I think it can be in the future.
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Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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I couldn't be bothered so much about multitouch, my Android has a that irritating zoom in icon on the web and pics anyway, I want to try WP7 but switch back to a NAND Droid when I feel like it. So seriously a WP7 SD version would take the cake.
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I couldn't be bothered so much about multitouch, my Android has a that irritating zoom in icon on the web and pics anyway, I want to try WP7 but switch back to a NAND Droid when I feel like it. So seriously a WP7 SD version would take the cake.
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or you can back up your android ROM via CWM, so when you want to go back to Android after you check out WP7 you can just restore your nand droid via cwm in like 5 minutes.