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X1 vs Touch Pro

Think there are a lot of people out there who have been considering between the 2, and with Touch Pro out (it just released over the weekend here in Singapore) and X1 still yet to have a 100% confirmed released date (still wondering if October's a confirmed date, and even then, whether as the case of Touch Pro, it'd be released even later here), a lot of people have been getting the Touch Pro instead. I myself am really tempted to do so too, but there's still that little bit that's holding me back to get the X1. Thing is there's so many points about the Touch Pro that seemingly give it an edge over the X1.
X1:
* WVGA (this a pro or a con?)
* Larger screen (but 'non standard' screen size that might cause some apps to not work)
* 4 row and supposedly crappier keypad (though good in that the keys are more spaced out)
* 3.5mm audio jack (which doesn't matter to me)
* Better video playback (or am I wrong)
* Slightly thinner and lighter
* Higher capacity battery (1500 vs 1340 mAh for Touch Pro)
* Metal casing
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
Touch Pro
* VGA
* 'Standard' screen size that 3rd party apps are built for
* 5 row and supposedly better keypad
* TV out (doesn't quite matter to me either)
* Accelerometer (till now no confirmation whether X1 has)
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
* Slightly smaller
* Plastic casing
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
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Correct me if I've got any point wrong. Lookswise I used to think the X1 looked better, but until lately was starting to feel it looked worse and worse, though most recent videos kinda made me change my mind again (ya... I am just so fickle-minded)
Anyway, what do you all think? Don't wish to be getting the Touch Pro and regret not waiting for the X1 to be out to do an actual comparison. Or is there anyone who has tried both (probably test set of X1) and able to comment on points like the keypad and running of 3rd party apps?
Btw, reason I'm posting this here rather than in other forums that I visit is cos there seem to be more people here with test units and so was hoping to get more opinions here.

Hmmm a good post! Couple of things I would like to say...
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
From what I can gather from other threads this could just be the way HTC has tried to make it look like the Touch Pro has more memory by including 32MB of memory from somewhere else in the device.
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
Like you said I think we will have to wait on this one, the only reason the Touch Pro has more support is because it is actually out now! Any phone that is on this website has MASSIVE community support, which is one of the main reasons this is one of the best websites I know for phones, and is one of the main reasons i will (mostly) always choose a HTC built device!
One thing that annoys me is that a company will give a release date for a phone but the phone wont be available to the average joe, like me,(by that I mean someone who doesnt want to pay nearly half a months wages for a phone i.e. £500+) for perhaps 1-2 months after its stated release date!
As you can tell I want either phone, im just waiting till they com out on the major UK networks so I can:
a) get them for a reasonable price, if not free
b) actually play with them before I choose which one to get!
I am sacraficing a 5MP camera for a QWERTY keyboard as I use the internet on my phone a lot. Therefore I am leaning towards the Xperia X1 as it has a larger screen.
Any help would be appreciated in this matter

Great post. Hope it gets the response it deserves, cos im in exactly the same predicament.
One thing i keep reading, is that the X1 is the best choice for multimedia.
I dont exactly see what is meant by that, looking at both spec sheets, except for the bigger screen res.
I am led to believe that the SE media player app is not yet present on the X1.
Anyone with a proto, please step up to the keyboard! your input is needed.
The few people i have identified as having X1 protos, seem to be very reserved about what they give away.
This is probably to do with the SE police.
Heres hoping that the SE webcast scheduled for 15th Sept will be the release info for X1, and all info can then be talked about openly.
My preference would be X1, but i would have no problem owning a touch pro.

vinokirk said:
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
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Sony CEO considering dumping Ericsson for sucking so much at mobile phone business lately
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be the last Windws Mobile phone from Sony Ericsson
Anyway, what makes me even more in a rush to decide between the X1 and Touch Pro is cos the Touch Pro is out with a promotional (2-year) contract price of SGD788 (approximately USD548) till this coming Friday. Actual price is supposedly SGD988 (approximately USD688).

X1 for me
The pro is a great increment over the TyTNII ...
But as most people probably experience ... VGA is really only a prettifier over QVGA ... it doesn't give you much real extra screen estate (if any) with most apps.
WVGA on the other hand makes a tremendous difference (from web browsing to today screen to Softmaker Office to CoPilot).
I tried it for the first time with the G900 and all my apps worked and all but one filled the screen properly ....
The X1 screen should therefore be a dramatic improvement on the Pro.
Also ... the Camera and Radio are SE parts ... not HTC and as such will be like most SE phones. This means the camera will perform more like decent SE devices and video at 30fps should be like the N95 ... which means I can get away with one phone at long last.
The N95 radio was rubbish ... this should be a good one.
Those things alone should make this standout a lot from the Pro.

I like to add the
x1
optical joystick for scrolling
touch screen focus
vga video recording
Touch Pro
navigation wheel
the touch sensitive button for focus doesn't even work half the time
While they both have qwerty, I didn't like how each roll of keys directly line up above the next row on the Touch Pro vs the its offset by half a key on the next row on the Xperia. And there is no gaps/spacing between the keys on the htc either.
In the end I only got the Touch Pro because it was out first and I know HTC does Windows Mobile for a living while I was concerned it might have been a one time thing for SE.

Interesting Ipporek, I was unaware of this! Which leads me onto htcplussony's comment abut the X1 being a one time thing, whereas HTC have been churning out WinMo devices for years and hopefully will continue to do so.
I do like the TouchFlo3D of the Touch Pro, is it likely to be 'ported' over to the X1 and if it is, will it fit nicely with the larger screen/resolution, and will it run fine or crash/make the system slower!? Only time will tell with that one i suppose.

Also: not only has the X1 battery a higher capacity, it's a Li-Po battery (whereas the Pro has a Li-Ion battery). Li-Po batteries can hold much more energy. Keeping that in mind, the battery should last much longer on an X1 than on a Pro.
I also firmly believe the X1 will be much more innovative. HTC has already established its position in the pda-phone market, whereas this is SE's first step towards a more business market. They have the neccessary expertise to be able to pull it off however, and I have no doubt that they have not left anything that could be improved untouched. Not only does SE have to innovate and come with new and interesting approaches, HTC hardly can innovate. They have already established their reputation, and they can not drastically change their course or they would lose a lot of users. As an example, we see the Xperia panel interface, it's a whole new approach taken, and I'm quite confident there will be a lot more different little innovations inside.

Ultimately for me it's 2 major concerns (which I mentioned earlier):
1. Is the keyboard of the X1 really as bad as it's being said to be? Unless the production set actually has some improvement in this area over the test sets, it might be a big issue (or at least for me).
2. Will there be a lot of apps that do not work with the X1 cos of the size/resolution incompatibility?
Lack of TV out and accelerometer I can live with. The 1 row less of keys that I can live with too (though till now I do kinda find the combination of a black casing and silver keypad weird). And the bigger size doesn't quite bother me (since it's only by a little and the X1 is thinner and lighter). Support community, ya, there's always the possibility that it'll grow. But the 2 points I mentioned above I can't quite ignore though.

Well, perhaps might be able to get the answer to one of my questions myself. Saw someone's post in another forum and realized that the Omnia too has a 'non-standard' resolution. In fact, it's proportionate to X1's (half in fact).
Samsung i900 Omnia - 400 x 240 pixels, 3.2 inches
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 - 800 x 480 pixels, 3.0 inches
LG KS20 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Pro - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Diamond - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Cruise - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Dual - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
HTC Touch - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC TyTN II - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 9502 - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 8502 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
Palm Treo Pro - 320 x 320 pixels, 2.5 inches
Other phones all seem to have either the standard 640x480 or 320x240 pixels resolution (well, except for the Treo Pro).
So would that mean that if an application can run properly on Omnia, it can run on the X1 too?

After seeing the website for the upcoming webcast and this Johnny X trailer, I can't help but feel that X1's more of a mass audience, entertainment-oriented phone as compared to Touch Pro which would be more of a business-oriented phone targetted more towards the more tech-savvy crowd.

I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.

Well, with the X1's release date being announced, it's making me wondering even more whether to hold back (on getting the Touch Pro).

HW Accelerated ?
Does someone know if X1 has 3D Hardware acceleration ?

So much uncertainties about the X1's specs eventhough it's near release. 3D hardware acceleration, accelerometer...

3D hardware acceleration is stated in the white paper..

Sep 30 it is. But where is Hong Kong.

X1 reception likely better than Touch Pro
foo said:
I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.
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The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.

jeeves5454 said:
The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.
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I hope you're right. Skipped the Touch Pro because of weak 3G signal, but now it's really time for a new toy, so hopefully the reception of the X1 will be good.

For me it will be all about the support that this site gives the X1 to be honest because you can have the best phone in the world but without them custom programs / roms you will soon get bored with it, trust me

what do we know so far about the X2 (first pic in now out june 3rd)

edit: first pics are out nowhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/sony-ericsson-x2-spotted/
this is just my wishlist:
-much faster internal flash memory. installing a cab or launching an app takes same time as much as the 6-yearold HTC-magican
-Same form factor (sliding keybord)
-Screen should be at least 3.2” without increasing the total size of the phone. Seems doable if they optimize the unused space and relocate some of the buttons to the side. 3.2” should be the new 2.8. 3.2 is also much friendlier for hand use and easier on the eyes
- faster CPU. Samsung already using 624mhz and asus will use 800mhz very soon
- built in falsh should be at least 2 or 4 GB just for convenience+ the sd card.
- jogdial and maybe an extra button on the side (record, comm., ok…etc) to improve usability with 1 hand use
- keyboard needs a fifth raw with a slight increase in button travel distance.
- the panels is bloated and takes too much memory and slow. It needs to be optimized
- accelerometer. Too many developers are starting to make use of this
- very quick release date. Its not like we are asking them to do a totally new hardware. All these things seem like tweeks to the current model. No later than first half of 09

Over at esato, there are rumours that SE is already working on its new xperia which will come with wm7, have a 5mp cam and will be based on qualcomm snapdragon 8250. I wish that it is true.

faster CPU. Samsung already using 624mhz and asus will use 800mhz very soon
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I would'nt say that too loud, the Qualcomm chipset features the 528mhz ARM11 based CPU with a 274MHz ARM9 coprocessor, and dont forget to mention the ATI Imageon although it doesnt get much use on WM6.
The Samsung is a older generation Xscale processor. Compared to each other, there wouldn't be an noticable difference afaik, probably the Qualcomm is faster theoreticly speaking.
A OMAP3-like chipset would be awesome though. (Arm Cortex powered, about 2-3 times faster compared to the X1 chipset)

Would love to see that 1 Ghz qualcomm in a phone.

Rontysee said:
Over at esato, there are rumours that SE is already working on its new xperia which will come with wm7, have a 5mp cam and will be based on qualcomm snapdragon 8250. I wish that it is true.
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That would indicate that we need to wayt till late 2009 early 2010 for the next Xperia device.

Lord.Bachus said:
That would indicate that we need to wayt till late 2009 early 2010 for the next Xperia device.
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Thought WM7 is delayed to the end of 2009 at best...

sonyE already said that xperia would not be tired to an os
and they might not use wm on the next x2
so maybe it will be symbian or android or something 3th
as they are not currently a part of the android group

Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.

Insaneboy said:
Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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if winmo 7 lives up to the hype then that would be nice
i would say some wishlist stuff for the x2 would be a bigger screen maybe between 3.2-3.8
better keyboard, more buttons, capacitive screen, multi touch, and accelerometer would be nice
but this is coming from somone that doesn't actually own one

I'm very very very happy with the current generation xperia phone. Only complaint really is how sony have handled (Or mishandled) the launch of the product.
It's almost like a call centre opening at 9, but calls only get answered from 11 o clock onwards - why launch something September 30th then start to sell it Nov 30th?
That aside, great screen, decent keyboard, blazingly fast (panels aside), good connectivity and a premium feel all make for a phone i'll be happy with for the next 18 months at least.

Insaneboy said:
Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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Not UIQ but most likely Symbian Foundation

sorry to bring this from the dead but the people above are taking about many roumers. i was wondering if there is any news about about the x2 or whatever they end up calling it. are there any solid info that htc wont be building it (i care because of xda support)

sony is loosing money big time on ps3 and global crisis
sonyE is loosing money too
doubt we will see sonyE making too many revolutionary products
in awhile
time for them to feed the cash-cows

think it will be the end of the year or early next before they release the x2.
by then we will be in wm7 (if the x2 is a wm device)
prob be 1gz cpu
512 ram
8 - 12 mp camera
oled screen
(going by there prototype model phone that they showed at mobile show, would not expect it to have weaker specs)

one thing for sure about the next xperia... it will NOT be made by HTC

i would be very surprised if sony ditches the windows mobile platform for xperia:
-they already have many other symbiyan based toy phons.
-they need to differenciate their only buisness line phones from the c,p..etc series phones
- the recent realease of mxp,Xtract and r3a roms (despite their money situation ) *may* suggest that they are commited to winmo for a future phone
my guess, SE (like samsung) are waiting for official wm6.5 (q3) orr even wm7 before announcing anything. unlike HTC they probably cant afford to flood the market with a zillion diffent similar models

theclueless said:
one thing for sure about the next xperia... it will NOT be made by HTC
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that would be really bad to sony. as i cant imagine the x1 being a worthwhile device if it wasnt for the proper support of this site. none of the other site out there can be considered even "good enough"

its said they wont use htc again for future devices but till they make the x2 nobody knows. i remember sony not wanting to use the company that makes the ps3 pads rumble because of the lawsuit with the company but then they did after people complained about lack of rumble on the pad.
I think it all depends on how comfidant sonyE is on making there own wm phone from scratch.
I also hear sony may buy out the ericsson half of the business so that will change a lot of how things are done as a company.

found this post. hope its true
Originally Posted by kbadone
Don't worry X2 is in development, I work at Sony Ericsson RTP NC, we have the X2 SP1 build. I can't say much about it but it looks 5x better than X1 design wise, and regarding the software its running WM6.5
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THE GRIZZ said:
found this post. hope its true
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Just to give some reference of time SP1 is a prototype hardware revision. @ SE it goes, DPX.X -> SPX.X -> APX.X -> PQX.X ....so a X2 announcement shouldn't be too far off.

My X10 review after 2 months of usage

This is a reposting of my full review (with images) @ my blog. There are photos there if you want to see.
Introduction and History
Eighteen months ago, I began my transition from feature phone (Sony Ericsson W910i) to Smartphone Sony Xperia X1i. As a shameless fan of Sony Ericsson, I opted for the Xperia X1i based on wanting to better understand the Windows Mobile ecosystem and because the promised feature set was supposed to be game changing.
It wasn’t.
To be fair, it wasn’t as bad as you may think and my first Smartphone experience was mostly positive. As an active Microsoft Outlook user with my own hosted Exchange account, the Windows Mobile platform was actually a really great fit for keeping my email, calendar, and tasks synchronized. In fact, the Xperia X1 was an essential gadget for the planning and follow-through of my wedding and honeymoon.
So, what was missing?
As I started to use more features of the phone there were some glaring issues that became apparent to me.
First of all, the inability to take advantage of the 3G speed of the phone eventually became a handicap. Initially, it wasn’t an issue since T-Mobile had no 3G in my area. However, as T-Mobile USA’s AWS 3G network was built out, I was forced to live with EDGE speeds.
Secondly, the one thing that bothered me was that despite all the abilities of the phone, I always felt it was a step behind me. One way I would describe it is that it simply felt “slow” and despite being able to multitask, I found myself waiting for the phone to get things done.
Thirdly, the platform was not very exciting. One of the benefits of the Windows Mobile platform, a diversity of hardware selection and legacy support, is also its Achilles heel. Because there are so many variations of operating system, hardware form factors, and screen resolutions, there are less compelling applications available.
Lastly, the Xperia X1 had capable hardware and some unique features but Sony really did their customers a disservice by never helping the device fully reach its potential. The early firmware was buggy and seemingly half-baked; the device only really became very useful after using custom ROMs available from XDA Developers (which became a practice I did frequently).
With this in mind, I started looking late last year for a replacement. Coincidentally, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 was announced in November and it seemingly met my needs…on paper. The announcement created a lot of buzz in the blogosphere and it piqued my interest since it was the most powerful Android device announced at the time.
The only problem was it took them more than 5 months to actually ship the product and a crop of device launched with competitive features in addition to newer version of the Android OS. Even with this knowledge, I decided to give Sony Ericsson a chance and give in to the siren call of the Xperia X10. Would I be burned as an early adopter again? After two months of real world usage, it’s time to share my story but first, let’s see what attracted me to the phone in the first place.
Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mobile Phone
Marketed as Sony Ericsson’s flagship Android device, Sony Ericsson describes the product as the following:
· Sony Ericsson XPERIA™ X10 introduces an open and integrated world of social media, communication and entertainment.
· XPERIA™ X10 is the flagship phone in a family of phones coming to market during the first half of 2010. The XPERIA™ X10 will be available in Q1 2010.
· New UX (user experience) platform lets consumers organise everything and discover more with the most open, human and intuitive user experience yet.
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Those are pretty bold statements. To backup these expectations, Sony Ericsson has equipped the Xperia X10 with some pretty powerful hardware.
Specifications
- CPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 1GHz CPU
- 384MB of System RAM
- 1GB NAND Flash
- 8GB (or 16GB) Class 2 microSD included. The device supports up to 32GB.
- Android OS 1.6 “Donut” with custom UX (User Experience)
- 4” 854x480 pixel (FWVGA) TFT Touchscreen capable of 24-bit (16 million) color
- 1500 mAh Lithium Polymer Battery (BST-41)
- 8.1 MP camera with auto focus, face recognition, geo-tagging, image and video stabilization, smile detection and touch focus
- Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900Mhz
- Tri-Band UMTS HSPA 900/1700/2100Mhz (international model) or UMTS HSPA 800/850/1900/2100Mhz (Americas/Australia model)
- Bluetooth 2.0 with A2DP, 802.11b/g wireless internet, aGPS, 3.5mm audio jack, microUSB port
- Dimensions: 119 x 63 x 13mm @ 135g (4.8 oz)
The hardware alone is not differentiating feature of the Xperia X10. Instead, Sony Ericsson has introduced a new UX (User Experience) platform to run on top of the standard Android interface. This initial version of the platform focuses on multimedia and social integration with new features and capabilities being added over time. Now, let’s look at the actual device.
First Impressions
I’ve always felt that higher-end Sony Ericsson devices to be of high quality. There’s almost always a certain level of fit and finish and the Xperia X10 is no exception. The body, a combination of plastic, glass and metal, is beautiful to behold and carries an air of stylish elegance. While some people may automatically equate the use of plastic with cheapness, I think they’ll be pleasantly surprised with how the device feels in hand especially with its curved back. Weighing in at 135g (4.8 oz), the device feels solid when held with the right amount of heft for the size.
This combination of the materials doesn’t seem to affect the strength of the chassis and the Xperia X10 easily stands up to my pressure test. I applied a decent amount of force (squeezing the device hard) all over the device and listen for a “creaking” noise and to my delight there was none.
I also appreciate the lanyard loop hole. A lot of phones don’t have these anymore and I think they’re more important now than ever since these devices get used all the time and the cost of replacement is not cheap.
Screen
The Xperia X10 has a scratch resistant mineral glass screen. To my surprise, my unit also came with a screen protector pre-applied. I don’t know if this is standard across all regions or markets but I found this to be a nice touch.
Speaking of the TFT screen, it’s absolutely gorgeous and crazy bright. At 4 inches in size, it’s very comfortable to read and it’s really the first size where I feel comfortable watching visual media on it. Despite the current 16-bit color (65,536 colors) limitation due to Android 1.6, the colors are surprisingly vibrant. The screen can produce 24-bit color (16 million colors) and will do so when the phone is upgraded to Android 2.x. I typically leave the device on automatic brightness settings since it does a good job of setting the appropriate brightness even when I’m outside.
There’s no AMOLED here and for now, I think it’s a great decision. While I’m a huge fan of OLED technology, the technology doesn’t work that well outside in bright daylight or overcast conditions. I find the Xperia X10 to be very readable compared to other touchscreen devices I have like my ZuneHD.
The capacitive touchscreen itself is pretty responsive and behaves as you would expect. I consider the iPhone’s touchscreen to be the best-in-class and in comparison, I’d say the Xperia X10 holds it’s own but it’s definitely not better. In fact, it’s pretty good considering the screen is not multi-touch capable.
Onscreen Keyboard
The Sony Ericsson supplied soft-keyboard is HORRIBLE. It really is. On the plus side, the layout and the convenient arrow buttons are nice; however, the responsiveness is very poor and some keys (on the outer edges) don’t register with any consistency. I don’t know how this slipped past the usability or quality assurance groups at Sony Ericsson. At first I thought it might be the touchscreen but it’s not. It’s the software. I have installed other 3rd party keyboards and they all work very well. My current favorites are SWYPE and the HTC keyboards.
Ports
There’s not too much to discuss since the device doesn’t have many. The 3.5” audio jack is standard and accepts regular stereo headphones as well as microphone-enabled headphones. I like how the micro USB connector is covered in terms of the aesthetics but I’m concerned about the long-term durability since I’m charging the device at least once per day.
Battery
One really interesting thing about the 1500 mAh battery is that it’s exactly the same model (BST-41) used in the Xperia X1 and Xperia X2. There are a couple of benefits here. First of all, it’s readily available and there are lots of accessories/replacements available. Secondly, it’s a good capacity battery and one of the better capacities on the market.
In terms of actual usage, I’ve found the battery essentially lasts one full day with my typical usage. This is acceptable. I’m always surprised by people who complain about this. It’s my opinion that anyone using a Smartphone nowadays should be used to charging their phone constantly. The more features your phone has, the more often you’re going to use it and battery life is going to suffer. If you really need to conserve battery then switching to the 2D EDGE connection can give you a better battery life. Wi-Fi and GPS usage can also drastically affect battery life so your mileage may differ.
User Experience
Sony, and Sony Ericsson by association, is never content with offering a plain, vanilla experience and is always looking to create its own interfaces. Like the Xperia X1’s Panel Interface, Sony has created some value- add software as a means of product differentiation. The centerpiece of the experience revolves around their Timescape and Mediascape applications.
Timescape is a communications aggregation tool which offers the user a means of quickly viewing feeds of their email, text messages, Twitter, Facebook, voice calls, and photos. The essence of Timescape is the concept of the spline. All forms of information are available on the spline and splines can be viewed per information type. It’s a fun way to visualize your communications; however, sometimes it’s not very useful since you can be easily inundated by the amount of information and each item on the spline only displays a little information. So, it’s great for a quick glance but you’ll end up having to open up the corresponding application if you want the full message.
Mediascape works similarly to Timescape by bringing photos, videos and music files together into a single interface. When you first launch it, you’re presented with a thumbnail view of recently used and recently added along with other lists. I found the interface to be usable but I feel like some interface elements are too small and could use larger tap targets. The playback of media is pretty flawless so my complaints are minor.
Other Software
I mentioned earlier that I’m an Exchange/Outlook user and while Android 1.6 doesn’t natively support Exchange, Sony Ericsson has kindly included a full copy Moxier Mail (regularly $24.99 USD) for full Exchange ActiveSync abilities. It syncs mail, contacts, calendar and tasks all over the air so that I’m always in sync with my laptop and desktop. Minimal fuss and I like it.
Camera
In my experience, the Xperia X10 has the best camera I’ve ever used on a mobile phone so far. It’s the first one that actually feels like a regular, if basic digital camera. Will it replace a dedicated digital camera? Not likely.
One thing you should know is that the Xperia X10 doesn’t have flash. Rather, it has a photo light. The difference is that you have to manually turn on the light via the advanced menu. This means you can use the light while framing your subject and while filming video. The only problem is that the light is somewhat anemic so you’re subject will have to be fairly close for it to be effective.
As with most phone cameras, you get the best results during the daytime. My only complaint is that the startup time is a little slow and there is a slight lag when you switch from portrait to landscape shooting since the interface re-adjusts to the orientation.
The video camera feature allows you to capture WVGA (840x480), VGA (640x480), QVGA (320x240), MMS (160x120) and Youtube. Unlike my Xperia X1, I found that the device was able to record and playback any of the allowed resolutions flawlessly. The audio portion is recorded mono. The day after I received the Xperia X10, I was able to test the device at an MC Hammer (Yes, THAT MC HAMMER) concert.
Multimedia
Multimedia duties are handled by Sony Ericsson’s custom Mediascape application which handles videos, photos, and music. My only gripe with the software is that the main interface only works in portrait mode except when you’re playing media (except for audio files). Other than that, Mediascape offers a pretty friendly experience and the standard codec support is decent.
Video playback performance is phenomenal. Codec support is limited to MPEG4, H.263, H.264, and WMV standards. If a lot of your content happens to be in H.264 or WMV format and then Xperia X10 does not disappoint. Not only can it playback DVD-quality (480p) content but also 720p HD content as well! I converted an AVCHD clip from my digital camera and got the resulting H.264 MP4 (1280x720 @ 30 fps ~ 3Mbps) file to play smoothly. Impressive!
I tested audio with two sets of headphones: the included headphones and my reference headphones (Etymotic ER6i noise isolating headphones). The Etymotic ER6i’s provide a flat response and provide a clear, less “biased” sound of the actual device. In general, audio playback is very good and clean. Bass can be a bit punchy at times but the treble is always clear and bright. The included headphone set is actually surprisingly good and they emphasize the bass a little bit more. They’re not the most comfortable headphones, but they don’t sound cheap either.
The audio player portion of Mediascape looks pretty nice and only plays in portrait mode. The homescreen shows you various different quick lists of your music and you can drilldown further to sort through your music. On the player screen itself, in addition to your standard playback buttons, you can do all the usual things like repeat, shuffle, favorite, send, and find other related songs from the interface. Calling up the contextual menu allows you to delete, set as ringtone, get more information, or download album art.
The photo player is also straightforward. You can view photos you’ve taken as well as integrate with Picasa Web Albums and Facebook Albums. This section works in either orientation so you can view images comfortably.
Sony Ericsson provides MediaGo software for free which provides media synchronization. It’s better than their previous software and it works. You can also use DoubleTwist for synchronization.
Connectivity
Xperia X10 offers Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR, 802.11 b/g Wi-Fi, and 2G/3G cellular connections.
The Bluetooth simply works. I’ve been able to pair the phone to three computers, two phones, various Bluetooth headsets, and hands-free car kits. I like the fact that when I send files to and from my laptop, the files are placed in the appropriate folders (e.g. videos, photos, music) without my intervention. Love it.
Wi-Fi also just works and I’ve had no trouble to connecting to open and secure networks.
Luckily for me, the international Xperia X10i model supports T-Mobile’s AWS 3G network in the United States and allows me to take advantage of the 3G speeds. On average, my ping times are 100ms and I get around 3.35Mbps down and 1.3Mbps up. In some areas, I’ve seen the download peak at 4.46Mbps which is not too shabby! I can finally watch Youtube videos in high quality.
Things I Would Change
Camera: I’d like to see Sony Ericsson take the lead and start implementing a wider angle lens on the camera. A lot of use cases involve close quarter shooting (e.g. taking self-shots of shots of friends, etc) and a wider angle would help take more dynamic shots. A forward facing camera would be nice too. My last three Sony Ericsson phone had this so it’s weird to not have it.
Flash: The flash needs to be addressed in future products. There should be the ability to act like a regular flash and also just be a video light but I know this is OS related. I wouldn’t mind an upgrade to Xenon LED or dual LED setup.
OS: I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Sony Ericsson needs to keep up with the OS updates a lot faster. I understand the value proposition of creating a unique experience, but Sony Ericsson’s flagship device should have the latest and greatest. Sony Ericsson’s insistence on creating their own value-added features and interfaces, while noble, always gets them in trouble since they have an awful track record (i.e. Panels on the Xperia X1) in the execution and timely release of their products. Their value-add software has NO value if a new OS update comes out with a equivalent feature in addition to better performance and even more features.
Multi-touch: I only mention this because I found it odd that Sony Ericsson would ship a device without it since most devices in this class have it on their feature checklist.
microUSB: I love the standardization of the port; however, it would be nice if it was located on the bottom or side so there could be a charging stand for the device.
Who This Product Is For
I won’t lie. The Xperia X10 is NOT for everyone. Technology savvy or cutting edge enthusiasts will likely want to stay away since this product is not currently running the latest Android OS (currently 2.2) and there are a lot of alternatives available if you need to be on the bleeding edge. Also, other than the camera and the design (maybe), the Xperia X10 doesn’t offer anything the competition doesn’t already have. While the Xperia X10 will eventually be upgraded later in September, chances are that it will always be a step behind the latest release due to its custom user experience layer.
Does that mean it’s not worth getting? Absolutely not.
If you ignore the operating system aspect then the Xperia X10 stands out as well designed product that offers a different Android experience that centers around social integration and providing a “better” Android multimedia experience with a big bright screen. If those things interest you then you might like this phone. The upside is that it can only get better once they release the next major update.
Final Thoughts
Overall, I’m pretty happy with the Xperia X10 especially when you consider where I was coming from before. Out of the box, the phone has some shortcomings but luckily, nearly all of them can be addressed using third party software available on the Android Marketplace or from Sony Ericsson.
My last two months using it has been great. It does what I need and I never have to “think” about it. It does what I want and it “just works”. Of course, I don’t live in a bubble and I know Android 2.2 exists and what it offers but I have yet to feel like I’m missing out or I’m unable to use my phone. I think that’s a great sign this is a good product fit for me.
The lack of multi-touch may be an issue for some people but I don’t mind it at all. I didn’t have it before on my old phone so it’s not like I’m really missing out on any thing. Most of the applications I use don’t require it or have other workarounds that are equally effective. Will this change in the future? Maybe, but for what I need to do now, it’s a non-issue. Also, since the phone is unlocked and my plan is month-to-month, I have the freedom to move onto something else whenever I want.
I will be updating the review once future updates come out and will note what has changed. Until then feel free to comment or email me if you have future questions.

Great review Thanks for sharing with us

Thanks very much for the very informative review. Getting my new X10 tomorrow & can't wait to play.........

thank you so much for the great review, ok i have HTC Hero and i wanna change it now
would you recommend the Nexux one or the X10
desire and legend are out of the pic, my friends already bought them ^^
so i want something different.
thanx

Actually what SE giving us via X10 is kinda like
"This is what I've got, I know I am outdated I know I am lack of support, take it or leave it"
to me

oaz63 said:
thank you so much for the great review, ok i have HTC Hero and i wanna change it now
would you recommend the Nexux one or the X10
desire and legend are out of the pic, my friends already bought them ^^
so i want something different.
thanx
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That's a tough call. It really depends on what you want and where your priorities lie. My coworker just got a Nexus One and it's a wonderful device with a beautiful deep contrast screen. She wanted to always have the most latest OS first and foremost and didn't want too large of a device (although the Evo 4G tempted her). She wasn't as concerned about the camera or video capabilities so it was the best fit for her.
I prefer the camera quality on my phone to the Nexus One and that was an important point for me since I'm often trying to bring less devices with me when I'm out and about. The Xperia X10 fulfills that need for me. Also, the multimedia capabilities are important to me and the X10 works really well. In fact, it plays video files that my friends EVO 4Gs can't play (we're still trying to figure out why). I ripped my Avatar DVD and converted it to H.264 MP4. Looks awesome on my device and this is with the Android 1.6 limitation!
So, I'd make a list of stuff you actually want to (and will) do with the phone and match that up with the device. If it's the same as your friend then so be it. You can always dress it up with a custom case and OS tweaks.

The screen is not very scratch resistant.
I removed the pre applied protector an have now got 2 scratches.
I have now installed a protector again.

Thanks for the review! You seem to have pretty much the same experience & impressions as me, and I'm sure there are plenty of others who feel the same. I'm not 100% happy with the lack of updates (and not having root), but at the same time I can't really complain about it either.
At the end of the day, if you want polish and a seamless user experience then you have to go for a heavily-controlled and censored platform (ie: iPhone), whereas the Android ecosystem does things differently (and thank whoever for that).

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The screen is not very scratch resistant.
I removed the pre applied protector an have now got 2 scratches.
I have now installed a protector again.
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That's why it comes with a pre-applied protector, it should not be removed

AMAZING review. Really top notch.

You forgot to mention the
-POOR IN-EAR SPEAKER quality
-POOR IN-EAR SPEAKER VOLUME
My X1 is made of steel so it has min. scratches after 2 year hard using and a few "falling downs" to floors. My X10 felt only 1 time down to the floor and the plastic is broken Why they changed back to plastic???? Also my old SE phones was made from magnesium (GH337/868...)
-I miss a DPAD or something similar. To navigate is horrible, as the SE KB is useless (the Android KB even more) I use the HTC from Jonas. Without this the X10 is even more poor as it is at least because there is
-NO SMART DIALING. Because of that i dont use my X10 anymore ( need my phone for CALLING!) I bought a HTC instead. The smart Dialing is not good as it was on X1 but i can hardly live with that.
-TS and MS are actually useless. To complicated for fast use and TO SLOW! ( Why i can not set a standard view in TS? Why i cant set a default directory in MS for Photos, Videos and Music and browse within them? )
-X10 is even to slow at all. F.e to open a contact from the phonebook needs at least 1-2 sec.
In fact the only thing i love on X10 is the Hardware and software design. This is the only phone in the last 15 years (all from SE!!) that is disapointing me. I start to hate this phone, because it sucks me! Especially because to make it perfect would not be a problem if the SE engineers would count on 2 and start thinking about of USING a phone, not looking on it while it lays on the table. If they would do a NEW X1 everything would be perfect. I mean take all the things that X1 can do and make this better and add features, not delete them! Of course erverything could be fixed (instead of the steel body and DPAD) with an update but i think SE is to blind (and stupid) actually. Forget TS and MS, update the X10 to 2.2, add Smart Dialing WITH ARROW KEYS, an UI that is useable from the screen (like iphone), not with the hardware buttons (why a back button? Add a "cancel" tab EVERYWHERE would help a lot! At least in the contextmenues!) a KB like HTC WITH ARROW KEYS, a screen lock like S2U2, an easy and fast zooming, a perfect email client with a central email inbox, a perfect SMS client, make the phone fast, delete all the bugs AND THEN its MAYBE ready for dayly using.

oaz63 said:
would you recommend the Nexux one or the X10
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THE NEXUS ONE!!! Because there is a trackball and NO PUSHABLE KEYS! Google made a good job with the soft keys! EVERY Android phone should have them! because this makes the phone 100% easier to use. I am really thinking to switch from Legend to Wildfire because of that
AND what is also important: the Trackball/mouse is UNDER the 4 keys! this makes the phone handy. Take a N1 and a Desire in your hand and try to use the Trackball/mouse and the keys! You´ll know then what i mean....

Great review.I just got my x10 2 days back and I am really happy with it.I see a lot of people have complaints with it,but knew as much as I did some reading of this forum and the like.I am upgrading from my once beloved htc hero, a good phone with a good set of specs at the time.I spent sooooo long hearing about a 2.1 update on that phone that never arrived.So the talk of a q4 update in 2010 for my new x10 is not too big of a stretch.
Sorry bout the rambling

StripLV said:
(why a back button? Add a "cancel" tab EVERYWHERE would help a lot! At least in the contextmenues!)
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You apparently have never heard of the mobile phone operating system called "Android" made by the Google Corporation.

POLL samsung galxay spro or evo?(specs inside)

Samsung-Sammy-borne 1GHz ARM Cortex A8 processor, a Super AMOLED screen that may or may not be the same 4-inch, 800 x 480 window on the Galaxy S, a strong QWERTY slider with raised keys, front-facing VGA camera, 5 megapixel back camera with 720p video recording capabilities, WiMAX support(4g), and Android 2.1 with some TouchWiz 3.0 customizations. As for qualms, the source does drop "plastic-y" a couple times in a none-too-flattering light.
Evo(probally allready know by know lol)-* 3G/4G capability
* Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ QSD8650 (1GHz) processor
* 4.3” capacitive display with pinch-to-zoom and tactile feedback
* World-class HTML browser – bandwidth and quality that rival that of netbooks
* Android 2.1, with access to more than 30,000 apps on Android Market
* GoogleTM mobile services including Google SearchTM, Google MapsTM, Google TalkTM, GmailTM, YouTubeTM , and syncs with Google CalendarTM
* Access to Google Goggles™ to search with pictures instead of words
* Sprint Navigation, with turn-by-turn driving directions and 3D maps
* Updated HTC Sense, award-winning user experience, which includes Friend Stream to integrate Facebook, Twitter and more into a single flow of updates
* Visual voicemail
* Messaging – personal and business email, IM and text messaging
* 3G/4G Mobile Hotspot capability – connects up to eight Wi-Fi enabled devices
* 4G data speeds (WiMAX) – peak download speeds of more than 10 Mbps; peak upload speeds of 1 Mbps; average download speeds of 3-6 Mbps.
* 3G data speeds (EVDO Rev A.) – peak download speeds of up to 3.1 Mbps; peak upload speeds of 1.8 Mbps; average download speeds of 600 kbps-1.4 Mbps.
ENTERTAINMENT
* 8MP autofocus camera with dual LED flash and 1.3MP front-facing camera
* High-quality video streaming and downloads at 3G and 4G data speeds
* Capture and share HD-quality video (720p) from your phone
* Output pictures, slides and videos in HD quality (720p) via HDMI cable (sold separately)
* Live video sharing with Qik
* Built-in kickstand for hands-free viewing
* Media player with 3.5mm stereo headset jack
* FM radio and Amazon MP3 store
* Sprint applications including Sprint TV® and NASCAR Sprint Cup Mobile(SM)
* Bluetooth® 2.1 with A2DP Stereo and EDR
* Built-in WiFi®: 802.11 b/g
* Digital compass, G-Sensor, proximity sensor, light sensor, GPS
* Expandable memory: 8GB microSD card included; supports up to 32GB
SPECIFICATIONS:
* Dimensions: 4.8″ x 2.6″ x .5″ (LxWxT)
* Weight: 6 ounces
* Main display: 4.3” WVGA (800×480) 65K colors
* Standard removable 1500mAh Lithium (Li-on) battery
* Memory: 1GB ROM, 512MB RAM

Definitely the EVO. I've had BAD experiencies with Samsung build quality in the past, so I'm staying away from them. Plus, it's not a HTC device, so it won't be on XDA! That cancels the Samsung out right away.

mrinehart93 said:
Definitely the EVO. I've had BAD experiencies with Samsung build quality in the past, so I'm staying away from them. Plus, it's not a HTC device, so it won't be on XDA! That cancels the Samsung out right away.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=656
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=667

EVO for me.

mrinehart93 said:
Definitely the EVO. I've had BAD experiencies with Samsung build quality in the past, so I'm staying away from them. Plus, it's not a HTC device, so it won't be on XDA! That cancels the Samsung out right away.
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it will i got a pm strait from the admin it will

My fingers are too big for the keyboard on the hero so the 4.3 screen on the EVO sounds awesome but Sprint really screwed things up with the EVO in terms of the extra 240 that customers have to pay for purchasing one as well as the upload speed caps and disabling of of the HDMI out.
I like the hardware on the Samsung if it lives up to the hype of being the fastest android device on the market. Also if the increase in battery life can be achieved this should be one impressive phone. I could do with out the slide out keyboard though, so I would prefer that the Galaxy S come to Sprint as opposed to the S pro.
There is a thread somewhere in the forum that says the S pro is coming with 4G if that is the case then this is serious competition to the EVO though I still really like sense...can sense be put on a samsung phone?

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My fingers are too big for the keyboard on the hero so the 4.3 screen on the EVO sounds awesome but Sprint really screwed things up with the EVO in terms of the extra 240 that customers have to pay for purchasing one as well as the upload speed caps and disabling of of the HDMI out.
I like the hardware on the Samsung if it lives up to the hype of being the fastest android device on the market. Also if the increase in battery life can be achieved this should be one impressive phone. I could do with out the slide out keyboard though, so I would prefer that the Galaxy S come to Sprint as opposed to the S pro.
There is a thread somewhere in the forum that says the S pro is coming with 4G if that is the case then this is serious competition to the EVO though I still really like sense...can sense be put on a samsung phone?
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dsMA said:
My fingers are too big for the keyboard on the hero so the 4.3 screen on the EVO sounds awesome but Sprint really screwed things up with the EVO in terms of the extra 240 that customers have to pay for purchasing one as well as the upload speed caps and disabling of of the HDMI out.
I like the hardware on the Samsung if it lives up to the hype of being the fastest android device on the market. Also if the increase in battery life can be achieved this should be one impressive phone. I could do with out the slide out keyboard though, so I would prefer that the Galaxy S come to Sprint as opposed to the S pro.
There is a thread somewhere in the forum that says the S pro is coming with 4G if that is the case then this is serious competition to the EVO though I still really like sense...can sense be put on a samsung phone?
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What's the extra 240 that we have to pay and what did they do to the HDMI out?

richse said:
What's the extra 240 that we have to pay and what did they do to the HDMI out?
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When you purchase an EVO they take on an extra $10/month fee to what ever your existing plan's cost is. Since most people upgrade their phone every two years in order to get the discount this amounts to an extra $240 for the cost of the phone. Note I say cost of the phone because Sprint does assert that this extra $10 fee is not for 4G but rather is for hardware features of the phone such as the "super fast 1Ghz processor and large 4.3in screen"
The EVO is capable of HDMI out through a mini USB to HDMI cable. This would allow people to connect their phones to their HDTVs. Initially I was really excited about this because it would mean that you could stream SprintTV and other web content to your phone and watch it on a larger screen. Unfortunately it was reported that the HDMI out on the phone was going to be disabled for all content other then photos and video taken with the on board camera :-( I am not sure who is at fault for this but it is just one more example of how us costumers here in the US get screwed over by someone :-((

[Q] Xperia X10 Mini Pro or Wildfire - Dilemma

I'm looking for an android phone for my wife (she's been using a SE earlier) shortlisted these two phones to have the required features. Now I'm in a dilemma to choose which one to go for. I'm looking for following features -
* Good Camera (at least it should be good for photos)
* Music and FM (mostly MP3s)
* Usability (UI, speed, hangs, any other short comings)
* Application availability and usability ('m ready to root it though)
* GPS and Wifi (for maps and app download, rarely used for browsing)
* Bluetooth (file transfer)
* Standard Ports (3.5MM for Audio and USB for Charging and Data)
* Android Support (Current version and future releases)
all your inputs are highly appreciated..
(Also, 'm wondering should I wait till Xperia X8 released, arrrghhh.. )
PS: 'm posting another thread in X10 Mini forum too, just to get their opinion

In my opinion the x10 mini is too small.I The camera on the wildfire is good at stills but rubbish at video. UI wise I think that sence is better but the wildfire is slower
The x10 runs 1.6 and is going to get 2.1 around September whilst the wildfire runs 2.1 and is going to get 2.2 in september
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Thanks brilldoctor.

That's ok
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

I have a Touch Pro 2 at the moment and am looking for something smaller (which is basically any phone but the Dell Streak (its MASSIVE)) and also fancy giving Android a go.
I couldn't find anywhere stocking the Legend, and the Desire is just as big as the TP2 if a bit thinner (and expensive!). So I went and had a play in the mobile phone shops today. Before I went I was concerned that the low resolution screen of the Wildfire would be a big drawback, but it wasn't. This may be down to my poor ageing eyes, in which case a higher resolution would be wasted anyway. But I do agree with the above poster that the X10 mini is too small, and I wasn't keen on the T9 on screen keypad for all text input.
If they had had a brown Wildfire I would have gone for one, the red looks a bit naff!

x10 mini has only 3 hour battery life for talk time LOL i mean what is the point of having a battery on an android device. imagine making calls, listening to music and surfing the net.
i was going to buy this for my gf as her old nokia is dead but put me off. have given her my G1 (classic) and we will both buy desire Z (htc vision) when it comes out later this year.
but wildfire out the 2 options you've given mate