Some things I have discovered about the DVP:
If you turn the dvp off and pull the microSd card out and start the phone back up then:
1. The phone will still work 100% without the microSD card. It just won’t remember anything after a reboot. This includes settings, typed words, etc.
2. If you take the microsd card out and do a hard reset, the phone won’t go through the normal setup. It will boot straight into WP7 without any tmobile customization. You basically get the Vanila version of WP7- complete stock.
3. Somehow after removing the microsd card, I was able to get web2go to work for a quick second loading up desktop google.com- after that, no other pages worked. I was forced to the page telling me to upgrade. No go on Web2Go here.
Removal of the sd card isn’t just some regular sticker you can put back on after you’re done. It’s some kind of painted sticker that shreds – think of it like a broken Christmas ornament where the paint is stripped. You bend the sticker, the stickers’ paint cracks.
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Edit: after poking around a little more ive discovered:
1. DVP does not need a microSd card at all to be 100% functional. It operates without one completely fine in terms of performance, speed, etc.
This was how I tested it:
a. Put mSD card in.
b. Hard rest (factory reset under settings) the device
c. When the device restarts and goes to the blackout/dead screen, remove the battery
d. Pull the mSD card out.
e. Put battery back in
f. Push and hold power button to turn on and allow device to complete the hard reset.
It will begin with the full setup WP7 installation. All tmobile apps will be restored. Everything is the same except that no microSD card will be present; I have found this to not be hindering anything as far as my testing goes. Everything works including data, wifi and calls. Im pretty sure music storage would be a problem, but I didn’t test downloading more than 2 songs in market.
The microSD card is just storage. The device works 100% without it. Yes eventually you’ll be hindered by the amount of stuff you can put on the dvp, still that is a storage problem.
I have no knowledge how the dvp integrates with the sd card. But I guess it must be important since we aren’t to remove it.
BTW, after removal of the mSD card from the DVP, my computer can’t seem to recognize it. I can’t even format it since it can’t be detected. It’s so odd. I’ll try to dig more to see if I can make the mSD card useful in some other way.
Let me know what you guys think.
More Interesting things:
Without the microSd card, the device reports
405.03MB total
336.96MB Available
if my math is correct,
68.28MB is used to install the entire WP7 OS + some tmobile apps.
How cool!
What i dont understand is if there is internal storage (its obviously not RAM since it can now remember things after a reboot), why doesnt dell use it to store the OS and use microSD card to store apps, music, etc.??
That's awesome and gives us more hope for further digging. Were you able to use the device as storage device with the reg tweaks and see the folders? If so, how much capacity does Windows drive property show?
to get that sd card to show up on computer just format it using a dumb nokia phone
lemonspeakers said:
More Interesting things:
Without the microSd card, the device reports
405.03MB total
336.96MB Available
if my math is correct,
68.28MB is used to install the entire WP7 OS + some tmobile apps.
How cool!
What i dont understand is if there is internal storage (its obviously not RAM since it can now remember things after a reboot), why doesnt dell use it to store the OS and use microSD card to store apps, music, etc.??
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The OS is probably stored in ROM. Interestingly, the DVP is listed by phonearena.com as having 1GM of ROM, which is more than almost all other WP7 devices currently released. Of course, you have to take those specs with a grain of salt since phonearena.com also lists RAM as 512MB.
@notebookgrail,
you're gonna have to link me to the registry tweaks. id love to check it out!
ft55555 said:
The OS is probably stored in ROM. Interestingly, the DVP is listed by phonearena.com as having 1GM of ROM, which is more than almost all other WP7 devices currently released. Of course, you have to take those specs with a grain of salt since phonearena.com also lists RAM as 512MB.
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It is early in the life of this OS, so EVERYTHING needs salt. The DVP may indeed have 512MB of RAM; this hasn't been conclusively disproven.
lemonspeakers said:
@notebookgrail,
you're gonna have to link me to the registry tweaks. id love to check it out!
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http://blogs.technet.com/b/juanand/...ying-with-windows-phone-7-as-usb-storage.aspx
we need to find out how to use hardware buttons to do hard reset; if you are unlucky like me, when you replaced the sdcard and it went bad, there is no way for you to pop another card in and do hard reset on that card
htc and samsung phones all have a bootloader hard reset menu accessible during boot via combination of key presses, hopefully venue pro does have one
try holding down the camera button + volume down button then press power.
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try holding down the camera button + volume down button then press power.
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doesnt work. it will tell you to plug ur phone into usb + computer. The only way to exit that screen is to remove battery.
bbowman said:
try holding down the camera button + volume down button then press power.
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would you try it yourself before making such suggestion? i did every possible key combination with the volume and camera keys, all come up empty... and i really wish i dont need to do so for the qwerty keyboard
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would you try it yourself before making such suggestion? i did every possible key combination with the volume and camera keys, all come up empty... and i really wish i dont need to do so for the qwerty keyboard
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when I do that button combo on my DVP I see a "plug the phone into your PC" graphic. when I do so, Zune pops up and give me an error message (related to another issue) that it is unable to restore my phone. It looks like somehow Zune has an important role in performing the hardware master reset.
You don't see anything like this?
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when I do that button combo on my DVP I see a "plug the phone into your PC" graphic. when I do so, Zune pops up and give me an error message (related to another issue) that it is unable to restore my phone. It looks like somehow Zune has an important role in performing the hardware master reset.
You don't see anything like this?
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thats not the hard reset menu. htc has the bootloader option to perform factory reset in the case of the OS would not bootup, and also the option to connect the device to pc to perform restore (venue pro has this)
but since zune does not allow backup, the restore option is useless
If you set up your phone with a windows live account it gives you the option to remotely send a command erase your phone data and reset to factory defaults.
You need a windows live account and go to the windows live home screen.
mouseover "windows live" in the top left, then>devices>find this phone>erase
sureloch said:
You need a windows live account and go to the windows live home screen.
mouseover "windows live" in the top left, then>devices>find this phone>erase
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again, you need the phone to be functional to use this feature
im talking about device hangs at boot or boot looping, that requires hard reset without the OS being functional
theclueless said:
again, you need the phone to be functional to use this feature
im talking about device hangs at boot or boot looping, that requires hard reset without the OS being functional
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Ok, I didn't realize you had that serious of a problem. For some reason I thought you were trying to initialize a new sd card. The reset key combo will come out eventually.
sureloch said:
Ok, I didn't realize you had that serious of a problem. For some reason I thought you were trying to initialize a new sd card. The reset key combo will come out eventually.
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i was able to initiate the 32gb card using the setting->about->reset method when i first got the phone.
after a couple random crashes, the last time it was functional i was browsing the web, then the phone seemed hanged, then kicked me right back to the metro screen, but the phone no longer recognize the sdcard on the about screen; after reboot the phone got stuck on dell screen and would not startup, so i switch back to the original 8gb card, did not work either (boot-loop)
i pulled the card out, and it booted fine without any addition apps, and i try to initiate a reset, pulled battery, insert card, exact same symptoms with respected sdcards
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i was able to initiate the 32gb card using the setting->about->reset method when i first got the phone.
after a couple random crashes, the last time it was functional i was browsing the web, then the phone seemed hanged, then kicked me right back to the metro screen, but the phone no longer recognize the sdcard on the about screen; after reboot the phone got stuck on dell screen and would not startup, so i switch back to the original 8gb card, did not work either (boot-loop)
i pulled the card out, and it booted fine without any addition apps, and i try to initiate a reset, pulled battery, insert card, exact same symptoms with respected sdcards
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I was under the impression that on e a card was initiated it could not be used again in another device...though I did read something about formatting on a Symbian device. When you pull the card that is crashing did you try to restart the device with no card? Try it. After that shut down and put the original card back in
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I made the mistake of popping the memory card out while it was turned on. I figured it wouldn't be a huge deal and I could reboot the phone after putting it back in. Well needless to say I was wrong. It's pretty much a factory reset phone now and doesn't recognize the sd card.
It even says the total storage available is 15.73 MB. I just did a factory reset from the about menu and the same thing. Not sure what to make of this, but will report back if I can get it going again.
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I made the mistake of popping the memory card out while it was turned on. I figured it wouldn't be a huge deal and I could reboot the phone after putting it back in. Well needless to say I was wrong. It's pretty much a factory reset phone now and doesn't recognize the sd card.
It even says the total storage available is 15.73 MB. I just did a factory reset from the about menu and the same thing. Not sure what to make of this, but will report back if I can get it going again.
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Might try the "Volume down" key;camera and power button at same time..... this might be a more dramatic "Hard reset" Keep us informed....
pigue said:
Might try the "Volume down" key;camera and power button at same time..... this might be a more dramatic "Hard reset" Keep us informed....
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I saw that in the quick start guide right before you posted it. I tried it with the memory card inserted and no luck. I tried it without the memory and it worked. Then I had to do it again after inserting the memory card and I'm back to 22.15GB. Selecting "reset phone" from the about menu did not work with the memory in OR out. So yes, that method must be a little more "dramatic".
Moral of the story: Do like the instructions say, Do NOT remove the memory card while it's turned on or turn it on without it in the phone. I guess there's always one person who has to figure this out for everyone else
I still think it's weird it reported 15.73MB of total storage...
Thanks for the lesson!
Glad I could take one for the team. Now to get everything reinstalled and setup
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I saw that in the quick start guide right before you posted it. I tried it with the memory card inserted and no luck. I tried it without the memory and it worked. Then I had to do it again after inserting the memory card and I'm back to 22.15GB. Selecting "reset phone" from the about menu did not work with the memory in OR out. So yes, that method must be a little more "dramatic".
Moral of the story: Do like the instructions say, Do NOT remove the memory card while it's turned on or turn it on without it in the phone. I guess there's always one person who has to figure this out for everyone else
I still think it's weird it reported 15.73MB of total storage...
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So is that key combination (volume down key, camera and power button) a hard reset?
Just want to know so I can add it to the wiki
the_scotsman said:
So is that key combination (volume down key, camera and power button) a hard reset?
Just want to know so I can add it to the wiki
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Yes, that's correct.
Well I did a soft reset with the sd still in and never removed. Back to 15.73 MB total storage and no settings or apps saved. This appears to be why AT&T says not to use an SD card yet...
I too suffered total memory loss by powering down the phone. only hard reset worked.
Also, when I followed the quick setup guide first time I got " (Download Screen!) Don't turn off may take up to 10 minutes."
I let it run for 30 before finding more specific directions on AT&T forums.
http://www.wireless.att.com/support/tutorials.do?tutorialsCategory=Getting+Started&tutorialId=877530&deviceId=12630
thanks for advice and link
Not only is my 16GB not cooperating with the phone/OS, it is not detected by the PC, can't even reformat it. Any suggestions on force detection/formating? Other wise I have to hope for a update to allow my memory to work. The phone is still able to reformat the flash, gives me around 22.8GB available storage. But if it shuts down it deletes everything, goes to about 15GB available storage.
*Also, Netflix, Youtube, Zune all had errors after first hard reset with the memory inserted. Would't play video.
Apparently the same issue here learning the hard way as well. Ordered a Transcend 8gb microSDHC class 6 card from Amazon (excellent reviews) to have in time for the Windows Phone 7 launch.
Purchased my Samsung Focus yesterday at 9am sharp when they opened the doors, installed the card in the phone before we did the first power up to ensure I wouldn't have to set up things twice (doing a reset or hard reset), not reading the instructions we went on to setup everything including my live account, Facebook, e-mail accounts (exchange, gmail), and downloading apps from the marketplace. Only at lunch 4 hours late I discover under settings, about phone I only have 7.46gb of storage space (meaning the card wasn't setup).
Read the manual at this point and did the full hard reset (volume -, camera, power button) which prompted me to hit the windows key twice to perform hard format / reset. Phone booted with the welcome screen and all the prompts again, went to check under settings, about phone and saw to my relief 14.46gb of storage space meanings all was well. Started reloading everything, set up everything, installed a ton of apps and got everything pretty good. Figured with battery low I would turn the thing off and do a full charge overnight (bad idea).
The simple power down (goodbye! screen) seemed innocent at the time until i decided to boot my phone back up only to have nothing and all my apps missing. Checked settings and about phone only to find 15.36mb of storage or something like that! Ended up doing a reset under the settings followed by a hard format / reset again to bring myself back to a factory welcome screen and 14.46gb of storage under settings about phone.
Since settings back up I'm afraid to power down until we find out the issue behind this. I don't think it's due to "incompatible" microSDHC cards as they are all the same things (class variances) and this card was bought brand new packaged from Amazon (with excellent reviews might I add) so that rules out the Chinese knock off eBay microSD card.
Hopefully we'll see an OTA fix for this or something, my friend "says" he doesn't have any issues with his Sandisk 32gb class 2 microSDHC that he bought at the ATT store with the phone. He "says" he's powered it down multiple times without losing anything or any other weird oddities though I'm not sure he initialized the card before he powered it up and down.
TheMarkness said:
Hopefully we'll see an OTA fix for this or something, my friend "says" he doesn't have any issues with his Sandisk 32gb class 2 microSDHC that he bought at the ATT store with the phone. He "says" he's powered it down multiple times without losing anything or any other weird oddities though I'm not sure he initialized the card before he powered it up and down.
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I've tried three different cards and all of them give me the same result. After a reset I lose everything and have to hard reset again.
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I've tried three different cards and all of them give me the same result. After a reset I lose everything and have to hard reset again.
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All different brands as well? I can strike this Transcend, his is a Sandisk. I'm going to have him power it down with the power button and turn it back on after work today to see if his loses everything. I really hope there is some fix in the works that doesn't require you to shutdown or change something resulting in setting everything back up yet again lol.
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All different brands as well? I can strike this Transcend, his is a Sandisk. I'm going to have him power it down with the power button and turn it back on after work today to see if his loses everything. I really hope there is some fix in the works that doesn't require you to shutdown or change something resulting in setting everything back up yet again lol.
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Two of them are A-data and the other is a kingston.
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Two of them are A-data and the other is a kingston.
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Well just had my friend call me back after getting ATT to add back his messaging plan (the turned off his text messaging, explains why he wasn't replying to texts lol). After making the changes on his account he had to turn the phone off and back on, no issues came right back up with all his goodies, reading about 40gb of storage (he bought a 32gb class 2 SanDisk right there at the ATT store).
So apparently these things are very very picky with cards? idk.
AT&T rep had me walk through the setup at the store when I bought it. I didn't have the microsd card with me so I installed it when I got home (Kingston 16 GB Class 4). After powering on the phone it didn't see the card. I completed a reset in the Settings and About. After the it worked. I never completed a full hard reset (volume -, camera, power button). I have turned it off and on several times. Wonder if that is anything?? Just need to complete the reset and not the full reset. Also mine was brand new too.
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All different brands as well? I can strike this Transcend, his is a Sandisk. I'm going to have him power it down with the power button and turn it back on after work today to see if his loses everything. I really hope there is some fix in the works that doesn't require you to shutdown or change something resulting in setting everything back up yet again lol.
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I'm sure we will all lose everything in conjunction with the fix, whatever it is. Small price to pay to have our phones working 100% as we want them.
Well my friends Focus with the Sandisk 32Gb class 2 card he got from the ATT store just went blank. He said he phone locked up on him, upon restart he said everything was gone (all 25gb of synced music!).
So honestly I say listen to Microsoft and go no SD card until there is a fix/patch along with a compatible card list.
Update: friend powered off the phone and reseated his micro sd card and it seems all is well now though his contacts are missing information like its not updating or populating right. His phone did show "15mb" under storage when it was blanked like everyone else.
Update 2: looks like it unlinked all his contacts from Google and Facebook, strange strange. Not worth the storage space to me if its hit or miss right now, works one minute then boom your reseating your sd card and fiddling.
Hi guys.
I bought a Focus. I put a 16GB card in there (AData Class 6 MicroSDHC). After a reset, I saw 20+GB show up as expected.
I then called AT&T to activate my SIM and the tech said to turn the phone on and off, so I held the power button and the phone recycled. When done, I'd lost all my data.. and when I checked my storage, it now says total storage 15.73MB with 7.46MB available! Since then I've reset from the software, reset from the three-button combo (VolDown,Power,Camera), and it keeps saying the same thing.
What's also funny is that it never brings me back to that initial setup screen where it asks for my Windows Live ID. How do I do a real reset and get my 16+8GB back? What do I do?
This is a known and long-discussed issue.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834144&page=6
enjoythemusic said:
This is a known and long-discussed issue.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834144&page=6
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Thanks, I did later notice that that thread had the issue reported. I didn't guess from the title when I was going through the forum.
I removed the card, did the 3-button reset with the phone powered off, and am working with 8GB for now.
(BTW, it can't be "long discussed" if the phone was just released Monday)
Hi, I recently purchased a Dell Venue Pro and I am going to get it some time this weekend. The main concern I have with this phone is the small amount of storage. 8gb is simply not enough for me. Perhaps I missed something, but I've been reading through this forum and haven't found a very good explanation for newbies on how to replace the SD Card. I have actually seen some posts that say that they managed to exchange their 8gb SD Card for a Sandisk 32GB micro SD card Class 2. However, I would like to have some guidance and instruction from someone experienced doing this; I wouldn't want a bricked Dell Venue Pro.
Therefore, could anyone please instruct me with a step by step guide on how to replace my SD card without crashing my system and which sd cards are compatible? Thank you.
Believe me when I tell you this will not work. What you will end up with is a bricked phone that needs to be replaced.
If you have a device that was shipped between December and now you don't have an engineering sample, those are the only devices that can actually format the sd card to the proper filesystem and lock the card down in way you'd expect it to.
If you'd like to test that theory, simply replace the card while it's off. Perform a hard reset on the device (the CAM + VOL DN combination does not work), shut it down and put the card back in an SD reader. It won't be formatted and won't be locked down.
You might be able to format the card on a Windows CE machine with storage manager, but the most I've been able to do is get the SD card test to show a 114 not ok instead of a 115 not ok.
After that, if you're lucky, you'll be able to simply throw the old card back in the device and proceed with enjoying your phone with the original SD card. If you're unlucky your phone will not boot.
Food for thought:
In the diagnostics application there is a button for "Service Center" which displays two boxes: Zune and Composite.
When you press the CAM key during boot this puts the device into a "restore" mode that Zune is supposed to work with at some point in the future.
I'm guessing if we can figure out a way to flip the mode to Composite (currently requires a password) that the "test/debug" bootloader will allow us to format the cards properly.
It's also entirely possible that the reason the engineering samples work and the retail devices don't is that the eng samples are in this mode already.
Wow thanks a lot for the very thorough answer. Do you think we will see memory expansion as a possibility in the near future?
Ok, without trying to insult anyone, 'm gonna call Bullshxt. I now have 3 VP's in my possession. Ok....1 I dropped and it doesn't start any more. But that still leaves 2. On both of them I have removed the SD card, replaced hte card with bigger and smaller SD cards and have even left the SD card slot empty. I have NEVER bricked my phone.
Let's leave performance behind first...and not consider it. Lets just talk about changing cards.
The key to changing cards is process. Take the card out and restart your device, it won't boot. there is no external keys for hard reset. Place that same card back in your device, it will start.
To change out a card, do this:
1. Hard reset your device
2. On the reboot portion, remove the battery and then remove the card
3. Put the battery back in and let the device start up
4. Walk through startup and your phone is ready to use.
Keep this same process each time. You cannot remove a card, without first going through the hard reset process. You cannot add a card with out first going through the hard reset process. The hard reset process initializes the card to the device.
I've done this at least a dozen times, with cards ranging from 2,4, 8 and 16g. I've done it with cards pulled out of Google phones and an HD2. I've done it with cards that have never been used before. Its 1, 2, 3, 4. No matter what combination of removal and add....1,2, 3, 4. Remove a card, its 1,2 ,3, 4. Add a card, 1,2,3,4. Simple.
Now...if you want to talk about Performance....thats another conversation....
Again....no insult intended with the BS call.
Sorry...forgot to add 1 thing.....this has been described on this forum several weeks ago...so...what I'm saying is not a huge discovery from me...but rather from the guy that posted this around christmas.....I just repeated it is all !!!
Oh OK, sweet thanks for the thorough step by step guide! This is exactly what I needed.
A few questions though.
On step 2. you mention a reboot portion. What does that mean? After hard resetting what is my "queue" to remomving my battery and SD Card
Also, you never state in the 4 step process when exactly I put my alternative SD Card in. Would I put it in step 3 when I put my battery in?
Finally, you say Performance is a different story. Are you saying that replacing SD Cards will make the phone slower or more prone to crashing or working less stably?
Thank you.
I think once the phone is ready to use again, you then start the process over again at Step 1, except instead of removing the SD card in Step 2, you put the new one in.
What I want to know is, if taking out the provided SD card voids the warranty, how do you get a new phone without paying for it? Or does the warranty not cover that specification?
none taken, but your claim about the device not booting if you remove the card is false.
It will boot, sans card, with ~15mb of free storage space with no customizations. It's also likely though that if your device does boot into this state, you will never be able to get another SD card to work in it ever again.
Even if it boots into the "no storage" state it's still possible to put in the old card (in most cases) and have it work. I'm just saying that has not been the case for everyone.
Looks like I've found quite a good amount of posts from people stating that they have swapped SD cards succcessfully so might try this if I feel like I require more storage. Would anyone happen to know if there are certain types of SD Cards I should use to make this work? Also, alodar1, you have stated something about performance being another story? Would I be sacrificing performance by swapping cards? What kinds of issues would I be having?
1) Open settings-> about menu in phone
2) Press "reset"
3) Press "yes" twice. The phone will start to reboot.
4) Wait until the phone shuts down and begins to reboot, and take the battery out. NOTE: If you take out the battery too early, it will not work correctly. I waited until I first saw the Dell logo pop up and then pulled the battery, and that worked.
5) Remove the old SD card (I used a very small eyeglass screwdriver to gently pry it out since it isn't spring loaded)
6) Put in new card, replace battery, restart phone
7) Go through the setup process
That should do it. My phone hasn't crashed since I replaced the card on Sunday, so its been a success for me. I have not had any performance issues with my new card - but I suppose that really depends on your card. Granted, I actually downgraded - I went to a Sandisk Class 4 8GB card. Soon enough I'll be getting a 32GB card and trying that one out.
Ah things are much clearer now thank you very much, will try this. I'll pray my phone doesn't go bad... gulp.
Also, are you saying you were a victim of the crashes and replacing the SD Card fixed it?
OK so I'm going to buy an SD Card, a 16gb, so should I go for a class 2 or class 4? What's the difference between the two and is any one of those two incompatible with the venue pro?
Erchino said:
Ah things are much clearer now thank you very much, will try this. I'll pray my phone doesn't go bad... gulp.
Also, are you saying you were a victim of the crashes and replacing the SD Card fixed it?
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Yes - my phone crashed very frequently with the 16GB card. Many times a day. I've now gone a full week without a crash with the new card.
Erchino said:
OK so I'm going to buy an SD Card, a 16gb, so should I go for a class 2 or class 4? What's the difference between the two and is any one of those two incompatible with the venue pro?
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Mine is class 4. The problem here is that there is no official specification. The class rating refers to data transfer speed - but the requirement for Windows Phone 7 is random access speed, which the card manufacturers don't advertise. Early reports actually showed that higher class (6+ cards) actually perform worse in WP7.
I don't have the DVP yet. Will the warranty be void when the SD card is replaced/removed? Thanks.
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I don't have the DVP yet. Will the warranty be void when the SD card is replaced/removed? Thanks.
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Yes, the black tape shows "VOID" after you remove it. A prior warning would be nice, since the tape doesn't say that on the outside.
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Yes, the black tape shows "VOID" after you remove it. A prior warning would be nice, since the tape doesn't say that on the outside.
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Does it really say "VOID"? I removed the tape but I can't discern any letters left on the device. However, I can see an "O" on the tape.
yep, it says VOID and the black VOID letters are left behind when you remove the sticker.
So for those who have replaced their cards, how is the phone holding up? Able to use wifi and the marketplace and IE with no crashes?
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Looks like I've found quite a good amount of posts from people stating that they have swapped SD cards succcessfully so might try this if I feel like I require more storage. Would anyone happen to know if there are certain types of SD Cards I should use to make this work? Also, alodar1, you have stated something about performance being another story? Would I be sacrificing performance by swapping cards? What kinds of issues would I be having?
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sorry for the delay in replying. No, not necessarily. Personally I believe there is an issue with the specific cards Dell used. But what do I know for sure. I swapped to another 16g card...nothing fancy...just directly out of the HD2.....it worked and performance was better. A couple of friends of mine did a similar swap, looking at specific R/W speeds, class types, etc. They had mixed results. So, my guess is, there is something else that is a trigger that no one has hit on yet. I know my 16g performance is not as good as the 8g performance....in smoothness of card access. If I swap down to an 8g card...or even a 4g card....I can see the difference.....the performance is smoother.
Now, this doesn't say that those people with the 32g cards are NOT seeing that smoothness. I'm saying that I tried this as a test because I had cards laying around....and noticed a difference. The difference strongly indicates the shipped 16g cards are not what they should be. But, this does not mean the 32g cards on the market right now are the answer.
HELP !!!
I tried changing my 8GB SD card to a 16GB SD card. it booted up fine everything seemed ok, but when I restart the phone it loses all settings. So I put the original card back in, followed the same steps. Now my phone only sees 16 MEGABYTES of storage, I've tried multiple factory resets, after a reset it doesnt even go through the normal setup process. All it does is go back to the homescreen with only the normal tiles accept all the newsroom, tmobile family room and stuff isn't there either. If I pin an app to the start screen then restart the phone the pinned app is gone from the start up screen can someone PLEASE help, I'd be happy just to get it back to normal, with the original SD card in it
Like a fool I tried "upgrading" my micro SD card. I followed the steps others have had progress on. When I reboot the phone, none of my settings stay and all my apps are gone ! So of course I panic and put the original SD card back in. Now its doing the same thing, it isn't seeing the storage, its showing now that I have 15.83 MEGABYTES of total storage with 10.83 MB free. After downloading 2 apps it now says I have 1mb of storage free and it wont let me download anything due to it seeing I have no room left. I've tried multiple restarts, even tried factory resets with both cards, without a card, same result, is there anything I can do ? Or do I now have a dumb phone that can only run one app and make calls ? Please any help would MUCH be appreciated.
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Brian
Most likely the phone has done a hard reset without any storage card present. See, Windows Phone extends its filesystem across all available storage media (NAND, SD, etc.) and does this only at first boot (setup). So if no SD card is available at first boot, it will only map about 15MB of memory and completely ignore any SD card you put in later.
You can fool the device into doing this for you by resetting the phone (About > Reset) and removing the battery at the moment the device is booting again (but before it shows the setup screen). Best is to remove the battery at the moment you see the Dell logo. This way you interupt the reset process, making it restart next time. Now you can put in any card you want. Just repeat the process you did before and place either the original card or the new card back.
Thanks for the reply, I'm sort of confused, that is what I did when I first put in the new SD card. It didn't accept it I assume,, or maybe I pulled the battery too late ? I waited till I seen the Dell symbol then pulled the battery. Then I took out the original SD, put the new one in, then booted it up. It then went through the normal setup (setting up windows live etc..) then when I checked the storage it was 15.83mb,, so I did it again but putting the original sd back in, and its the same,, basically no storage.
Ok, right now the sd card is in the slot, do I need to remove it,, then do a reset, pull the battery at the dell logo, put the sd back in, then power it up ? or can I just do the reset with the card in it (even tho its not seeing it), do the reset, pull the battery at the logo, then power it back up? I have tried it 4 times so far with the card still in, I do the reset, pull the battery, boot it back up it skips all the setup, right to the start screen, all the dell apps (newsroom, telenav, myaccount etc. are not there) its like a blank/with only apps like mail, messaging, pictures- wp7 phone. When I first put in the new card it appeared to accept it... it went through the set up just like the first time i turned it on... I seen the storage it was there, I downloaded apps, everything was good. Then I wanted to see if it would keep it, so i powered down the phone like normal (not hard reset) and when I booted back up , everything was gone, and the storage was 15mbs.. I've managed to re-blacken the sticker, got it back in place, its stuck on there good just like it came, surprisingly there was no "void" on the sticker at all, either way I talked to Dell they sent me a new one, will get it on Monday, then they can have this crap back. Its ridiculous that you CAN'T remove the REMOVABLE storage *(which is exactly what a SD card is) without voiding the warranty. Either way we'll see what happens, hope they dont notice. there were only 3 lil spots of black missing on the tape when I took it off, I touched it up with black fingernail polish It looks exactly like my wifes venue pro now
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Ok, right now the sd card is in the slot, do I need to remove it,, then do a reset, pull the battery at the dell logo, put the sd back in, then power it up ? or can I just do the reset with the card in it (even tho its not seeing it), do the reset, pull the battery at the logo, then power it back up? I have tried it 4 times so far with the card still in, I do the reset, pull the battery, boot it back up it skips all the setup, right to the start screen, all the dell apps (newsroom, telenav, myaccount etc. are not there) its like a blank/with only apps like mail, messaging, pictures- wp7 phone. When I first put in the new card it appeared to accept it... it went through the set up just like the first time i turned it on... I seen the storage it was there, I downloaded apps, everything was good. Then I wanted to see if it would keep it, so i powered down the phone like normal (not hard reset) and when I booted back up , everything was gone, and the storage was 15mbs.. I've managed to re-blacken the sticker, got it back in place, its stuck on there good just like it came, surprisingly there was no "void" on the sticker at all, either way I talked to Dell they sent me a new one, will get it on Monday, then they can have this crap back. Its ridiculous that you CAN'T remove the REMOVABLE storage *(which is exactly what a SD card is) without voiding the warranty. Either way we'll see what happens, hope they dont notice. there were only 3 lil spots of black missing on the tape when I took it off, I touched it up with black fingernail polish It looks exactly like my wifes venue pro now
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ok, you missed a step...so read again. To change cards, first you hard reset. When the phone reboots, pull the battery, swap the card. When the phone restarts, go through setup, you will have a working card. Want to change cards again, repeat ALL the steps, including hard reset.
No shortcuts here, 1 2 3 4. Hard reset, pull battery on reboot, do your card swap, restart, walk through the setup.
Oh, remember this, hard reset is not a reboot. Its like a format. Everything on the phone AND card are gone.
I understand, and that is what I have done and I am still trying to do. I just did factory reset, I hit yes twice, the screen goes black, as soon as the Dell logo pops up I remove the battery. I put the SD card in, put the battery back in, then power up the phone. Everytime the phone totally skips the setup part and goes directly to the start screen as if no SD card is in there. I totally understand the instructions.
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I understand, and that is what I have done and I am still trying to do. I just did factory reset, I hit yes twice, the screen goes black, as soon as the Dell logo pops up I remove the battery. I put the SD card in, put the battery back in, then power up the phone. Everytime the phone totally skips the setup part and goes directly to the start screen as if no SD card is in there. I totally understand the instructions.
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by chance,are you plugged in to a charger while doing this? If so, disconnect. If you pull the card, no hard reset, will the phone start ok? If yes, try hard reset, pull battery, no other power source, put the card back in, and restart.
If you're getting no different reaction either with or without the card, then you are correct. Some thing is not right.
Ya I've tried it every which way, with card in, with it out, same process, nope not connected to charger. I've only had the phone a few days, they are sending a new unit.. I so delicately took the sticker off with a very, very small needle, could only see one part of the black missing on the sticker whihc I touched up on the bottom side. Sticker looks untouched,,, I don't believe this counts as a warranty claim anyways since I've had the phone 5 days.. we'll see what happens, I'm not really sure what they could do anyhow considering they have already sent me a new phone and told me to ship the defective one back once I receive the replacement..
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Ya I've tried it every which way, with card in, with it out, same process, nope not connected to charger. I've only had the phone a few days, they are sending a new unit.. I so delicately took the sticker off with a very, very small needle, could only see one part of the black missing on the sticker whihc I touched up on the bottom side. Sticker looks untouched,,, I don't believe this counts as a warranty claim anyways since I've had the phone 5 days.. we'll see what happens, I'm not really sure what they could do anyhow considering they have already sent me a new phone and told me to ship the defective one back once I receive the replacement..
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good luck then . I've heard of a few devices like this...but not many.
hey guys, trying to do my first upgrade to get win 7 on my very slow buggy hd2, i am following the guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=971478
and i am stuck on the first step, i have checked the SPL version, 1.42.00 i think it was, had phone on, connected up the usb, then downloaded and ran HSPL2_Run from my pc, and it fails on the usb connect, stuck on what to do
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I have now rebooted phone, held down the volume key and entered the coloured screen, connected usb, says usb at the bottom of the screen, and re ran the program, still no joy
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I have now tried using a different file on the link HSPL and i get past the USB connect and get a large loading bar but then get another error
Unknown error
Error Code: 0x80003
Always reference this code for eventual requests
Link used and used both downloads at bottom of page>
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433
Boot screen shows
PB81100 SS-BC
SPL-1.42.0000 XE
MicroP(LED) 0x05
MicroP(Touch) 0x50
USB
Can't speak for anyone else's guides but this YouTube tutorial with links to the needed files was the one I used and it works perfectly...
hey mate, thanks for the reply, i spent a good hour trying all different things and doing them over and over and all of a sudden it worked, done all the things on the video, and now i have win 7 on my phone, i am sooo pleased with my self lol
only thing is my sd card is 2gig so will need to buy a bigger one when i got some cash, when i get a bigger one can i just use the pc, drag and drop the files on the card to the pc and then back onto the bigger card, or is all the needed files saved on the phone?
cheers
I think I did read something somewhere about someone using a partition tool to do something similar, but for all practical purposes you should assume a hard reset is required to allow WP7 to format and set up the card properly.
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hey mate, thanks for the reply, i spent a good hour trying all different things and doing them over and over and all of a sudden it worked, done all the things on the video, and now i have win 7 on my phone, i am sooo pleased with my self lol
only thing is my sd card is 2gig so will need to buy a bigger one when i got some cash, when i get a bigger one can i just use the pc, drag and drop the files on the card to the pc and then back onto the bigger card, or is all the needed files saved on the phone?
cheers
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Ywe drag and drop will work with photos, videos, documents, and etc. Or you can use copy and past too.
As far as you putting the new card in I think all you have to do is put the SD card in your HD2 and then boot it up. I think it will be like the first time you booted because WP7 uses the SD card for it's internal memory so it will have to format your new card with RAID and place what info it has to place on it. Atleast that is what I have read, I do not use WP7.
T-Macgnolia said:
Ywe drag and drop will work with photos, videos, documents, and etc. Or you can use copy and past too.
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It won't. There is no real file explorer for WP7 and I don't believe the filesystem is readable outside of WP7.
I believe you will also need to reflash WP7 to have the card work effectively in the OS.
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only thing is my sd card is 2gig so will need to buy a bigger one when i got some cash, when i get a bigger one can i just use the pc, drag and drop the files on the card to the pc and then back onto the bigger card, or is all the needed files saved on the phone?
cheers
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Check this thread...
Gustopher said:
It won't. There is no real file explorer for WP7 and I don't believe the filesystem is readable outside of WP7.
I believe you will also need to reflash WP7 to have the card work effectively in the OS.
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You may be right, but I thought that you could still use drag and drop or copy and paste if you use the little USB mass storage hack for WP7. But I have never used WP7 on my HD2 so what do I know.
T-Macgnolia said:
You may be right, but I thought that you could still use drag and drop or copy and paste if you use the little USB mass storage hack for WP7. But I have never used WP7 on my HD2 so what do I know.
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You can to some degree, but it's not as simple as good old WM and WP7 will most likely rename all of the files to add further complication. For a noob, best advice is to expect a hard reset
Well after a day at work, last night i was loving the win 7 on my phone, now i hate it....
Got so many issues with it,
1. Randomly reboots itself every 10 mins or so everytime, all day long and when it does it goes into a sort of safe mode with none of my settings saved, themes etc, and i have to reboot 2+ times to get my settings back, then it goes again after 10mins
2. when screen is locked for a few mins, when i go to unlock it and activate screen nothing happens, then the phone reboots.
3. During all these problems, every other time all the apps stop working, dont load up, reset fixes, not always.
4. Battery dies within an hour os so from full
Used [LEO_70]BOYPPC-SHIFTPDA-HD2_WP7_V4_(13.Apr) rom
any others anyone can cecommend or maybe even Android?
Also how do i install a new Rom, do i just run in on the 5th option of Magldr or do i need to delete it off first then install the new one? cheers
Donketdaz said:
Well after a day at work, last night i was loving the win 7 on my phone, now i hate it....
Got so many issues with it,
1. Randomly reboots itself every 10 mins or so everytime, all day long and when it does it goes into a sort of safe mode with none of my settings saved, themes etc, and i have to reboot 2+ times to get my settings back, then it goes again after 10mins
2. when screen is locked for a few mins, when i go to unlock it and activate screen nothing happens, then the phone reboots.
3. During all these problems, every other time all the apps stop working, dont load up, reset fixes, not always.
4. Battery dies within an hour os so from full
Used [LEO_70]BOYPPC-SHIFTPDA-HD2_WP7_V4_(13.Apr) rom
any others anyone can cecommend or maybe even Android?
Also how do i install a new Rom, do i just run in on the 5th option of Magldr or do i need to delete it off first then install the new one? cheers
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Your issue most likely isn't WP7 - which is normally quite stable - but an incompatible SD card. I'd suggest you bring forward your plans to get a bigger card - have a read around (there are several threads) to see which flavours of card are more likely to work well - and prepare to re-flash.
You should note that the selection of a suitable SD card does not seem to be an exact science - there is evidence to suggest that almost identical cards may have varying levels of success.
So the bad news is you are facing expense; the good news is that your experience of WP7 isn't representative.