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If you think Evo has quality issues, check out new Iphone's

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/poll-is-your-iphone-4-retina-display-seeing-yellow-spots/

o... also
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2475309&tstart=0
i hate to be a hater but damn it's kinda fun

Mine works perfectly in hand with no tinting issues. My Evo on the other hand, pretty much hit every issue like it had a grocery list and didn't want to miss anything.

So if you hold the phone in such a way that you would never naturally hold the phone, then it gets a somewhat diminished signal? How horrible.
the screen issue is bad if it is common. It doesn't appear to be universal.

nice. i'm happy you don't have to deal with two ****ty handsets in a row... that'd just be terrible.
but hopefully this news will soothe the unease some evo owners have right now. even the infallible apple runs into qc issues

k2snowboards88 said:
So if you hold the phone in such a way that you would never naturally hold the phone, then it gets a somewhat diminished signal? How horrible.
the screen issue is bad if it is common. It doesn't appear to be universal.
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don't quote me on this but i think it's hte other way around... plus you gotta consider what a case is going to do to that reception

muncheroo said:
don't quote me on this but i think it's hte other way around... plus you gotta consider what a case is going to do to that reception
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How are you getting along with the smaller screen? Were you an iPhone 3GS user before the Evo?

treo 700p user before the EVO. but i relied on an ipod touch for a lot of things and no, i cna't go back to that smaller screen

Interesting. Since the sides of the iPhone 4 are the antennae, when one holds it against his body he would also be electrically conducting part of the signal, and thereby affecting that signal somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ixIHyEPO5g

muncheroo said:
treo 700p user before the EVO. but i relied on an ipod touch for a lot of things and no, i cna't go back to that smaller screen
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Oops! I clicked on the wrong comment to quote. But thanks for your input as the iPod Touch is much the same.

DaytonaZ33 said:
Mine works perfectly in hand with no tinting issues. My Evo on the other hand, pretty much hit every issue like it had a grocery list and didn't want to miss anything.
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How are you getting along with the smaller screen? Were you an iPhone 3GS user before the Evo?

DaytonaZ33 said:
Mine works perfectly in hand with no tinting issues. My Evo on the other hand, pretty much hit every issue like it had a grocery list and didn't want to miss anything.
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Well give me your EVO so I can do your grocery shopping for you.

If the phone in the video is representative of a lot of iphones, then that is pretty bad.

I did a search on youtube for "iphone 4 issues" and for today only. There were a lot of post about this reception thing. seems like a lot of people are going to get this when they get their phones today.
I'm going to show the people at work that I can do a magic trick with their iPhone 4

unknown_owner said:
I did a search on youtube for "iphone 4 issues" and for today only. There were a lot of post about this reception thing. seems like a lot of people are going to get this when they get their phones today.
I'm going to show the people at work that I can do a magic trick with their iPhone 4
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Haha, "watch as I make at&t disappear"
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How could this possibly not get noticed at testing? Was everyone at the bar drinking and not using it instead?
Silly apple.

I can give a **** less.....Iphone still suck

I met my friend tonight with the new iPhone 4. I am very impressed with the quality and feel of the product. Screen is awesome. My Evo looks huge next to it. Like abnormally mutant-like large. Every phone feels tiny to me now. My friend said that it looks like I have a mini iPad.

Apple was planning to use us as an Antenna for the Iphone and give us cancer!!

So, is this the phone everyone wanted?

Now that we've all had the phone for some time now, is this the phone you wanted? Does it live up to the hype?
I personally love this phone. I don't have any serious gripes about it. Mainly small things but they aren't a deal breaker at all. This phone feels great in hand and the keyboard feels natural. However, I never use the application shortcut buttons or the www. Button. Those feel like gimmicks to me. I would have loved a full 5 row keyboard but manufacturers seem clueless to that nowadays. The phone is still very fast and my hinge is still strong. Battery lasts me 18+ hours with heavy usage. Its great when you don't have to constantly worry about the battery level.
Can't wait for this bad boy to get rooted and over clocked!
From here on out I'm only buying phones with stock android.
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Amen. Ditched the vibrant for this and couldn't be happier.
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I am also completely happy with the phone. But like u said. I never use the www key as well as the quick keys. I would like a full number dedicated row.. but its not a deal breaker for me.
I can't wait for P. Root and wifi tethering!! (=
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

Arcadia310 said:
seem clueless to that nowadays. The phone is still very fast and my hinge is still strong.
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I want you to post another vid of you demonstrating your strong hinge but this time give the phone a little jiggle now and again. I can do everything you did in that video but my hinge is far from rigid. Im on to you!
Weak hinge isnt bothering me though, although im certain this phone wouldn't survive a fall if the keyboard flops out on impact. I love the phone... keyboard could be better as you stated but im getting more used to it. The phone feels incomplete without wifi tether, but otherwise I love it.
Good screen size, good battery, good OS, good specs , good data speeds, good aesthetics.
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sinistersai4d4d said:
I want you to post another vid of you demonstrating your strong hinge but this time give the phone a little jiggle now and again. I can do everything you did in that video but my hinge is far from rigid. Im on to you!
Weak hinge isnt bothering me though, although im certain this phone wouldn't survive a fall if the keyboard flops out on impact. I love the phone... keyboard could be better as you stated but im getting more used to it. The phone feels incomplete without wifi tether, but otherwise I love it.
Good screen size, good battery, good OS, good specs , good data speeds, good aesthetics.
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No I will not. Why would I shake it? Why would I shake any phone? That would only damage my hinges and make them more prone to looseness. That video was a realistic demonstration for practical usage. I will not demonstrate anything unrealistic.

Yes, thank you

I love this phone coming from the HTC HD2 running android and a G1. The g2 is super fast, looks beautiful, perfect feel in my hand, my hinge is solid not loose at all. Can't complain so far best phone I've ever got my hands on.
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This phone is great. It's actually my first "smartphone."
I don't have any problems. My first time using an onscreen keyboard, and it's a huge learning curve for me though. I rarely use the physical key board.
I don't have that hinge problem. From day 1 I've had a case and I still haven't taken my screen protector off yet lol. I received my phone Oct. 3.
Stock Android FTFW. Holla.
I want to make a video for everyone about my phone, not sure what though.
And this phone is living up to the hype. The GMAIL integration makes my life a lot easier. Saving things to my SD card is simple.

I love the phone! It's a fantastic upgrade to my old G1. The only hardware option that I'd like is the notification LED off of the G1.
As far as software changes, I would only ask for 1 of two options.
option 1, phone comes with root accessibility.
option 2, phone comes with the ability to connect to IPSEC VPN, perform WIFI tether, and directly access my wpa_supplicant.conf file.
If I had either one of those things, it would be perfect
To me, these things are minor enough (and the root thing is (sort of) and will be solved). I love the phone.

Arcadia310 said:
No I will not. Why would I shake it? Why would I shake any phone? That would only damage my hinges and make them more prone to looseness. That video was a realistic demonstration for practical usage. I will not demonstrate anything unrealistic.
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Yo man just checked out your video about the hinges. My phone has a strong hing IMO. If I'm laying down my screen will slide down. But like you said in the video, I will have to NOT be touching the screen, because naturally, I would have my fingers holding it in place. When the screen is closed, I hold it upside down - No problem.
I'm coming from Verizon and I must say, the T-Mobile call quality is nothing compared to Verizon. One of your vids you mention how you can just take a few steps and your bars will change, go in and out of Edge or HSPA. That's not necessarily a G2 issue.
I dig this phone, and I've already rocked a couple of my friends smart phones. Holla

I have my third G2 coming the first of the week. So far both of the first two had loose hinge issues and terrible reception. In the same exact place I tested the signal strength with my Nexus One and Vibrant and the G2. The G2 was not even in the ball park. I do like the phone and believe it has tremendous potential. Other issues I have had include wall papers changing by them selves. Calls not ringing in and voice mail not registering. And the most irritating dropped calls. Just by picking up the device it would launch an application and deploying the keyboard will start up apps randomly. I did not touch the screen in any way when these things occur. Tried to launch Goggle Googles and a black screen came up and when I tried to back out it went to Google Earth. So far I am not overly impressed although as I stated previously that I do like the phone. If the thrid one has the same problems i will return it and wait to see what happens. I am hoping it will not as there is just something about this phone which appeals to me.

G2 + Vibrants screen(Amoled) = Game Over.
- Fly like a G2

That would be Perfect!!!!

Check out my video I just made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RZKHq6e1Ds

I am very happy with my phone. No problems with it whatsoever. It's everything I expected and more!
My hinge is somewhere in the middle between tight and loose. The screen will sometimes drop down if I hold the phone upside down without touching they keyboard. I have been using it heavily and have not had any problems with the hinge in normal use - keyboard open or closed - so it is a complete non-issue for me. I feel this is how it was designed to work.
The phone is blazing fast an the camera and video look great. No rebooting issues and reception is pretty good. I came from a Moto Cliq and the battery life and reception are both better on the G2.
tenbeau said:
I have my third G2 coming the first of the week. So far both of the first two had loose hinge issues and terrible reception.
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I have some of those sticky antennas that go behind your battery on order. You can get a 5 pack of them on Amazon for $5 shipped. I noticed an improvement on my Cliq after installing one, so I'm willing to bet it will help. I don't have any reception problems, but it's always good to have more bars. You just have to make sure to stick it directly where the internal antenna is.
Anybody know exactly where the antenna is in this phone?
Anyways... I want to say thanks for all the knowledgeable people on this board who helped me learn a lot about this device.

only issue is samoled is a samsung exclusive. regular amoled has too much glare. plus slcd is cheaper.

I had a couple reservations getting it, but I have to say I love this phone! I went from a G1 to Nexus One and now G2. This phone feels like a Nexus One but with a physical keyboard. I'm hanging onto my N1 as a companion/backup.
The G2 made me realize how much I missed having a physical keyboard....plus the radio and GPS on it seems to be superior to the N1....also being in a HSPA+ area is always a plus too.
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TheManCityLife said:
Yo man just checked out your video about the hinges. My phone has a strong hing IMO. If I'm laying down my screen will slide down. But like you said in the video, I will have to NOT be touching the screen, because naturally, I would have my fingers holding it in place. When the screen is closed, I hold it upside down - No problem.
I'm coming from Verizon and I must say, the T-Mobile call quality is nothing compared to Verizon. One of your vids you mention how you can just take a few steps and your bars will change, go in and out of Edge or HSPA. That's not necessarily a G2 issue.
I dig this phone, and I've already rocked a couple of my friends smart phones. Holla
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Yeah that's definitely a problem with T-Mobile; I believe I mention that in the video. I can remember 2 years ago when I had a Sidekick I would get horrible signal while inside of buildings. I would be in class and have no signal. Now with the G2 I can walk literally 10 feet and my signal will fluctuate like crazy.

I'm sending mine back and sticking with my G1 for the following reasons:
1) In the upper right corner of market, it has a link to TMobile apps instead of my Downloads (I so hate them for that!)
2) I hate the hardware keyboard / hinge slider.
a) slider slides closed while holding and typing fast
b) impossible to type < or > with hardware keyboard (even with SYM key software popup).
c) Keys too wide and letters off-center.
d) No number row sucks, too much use of function key.
e) Although the touch pad is about the same as the rolly-ball, they both suck compared to 4 arrow keys on the keyboard.
f) I also prefer the 4 function keys as hard keys instead of softkeys.
3) Battery is worse then G1 in edge-case areas (2G/3G), but I do admit battery is better then G1 in solid 3G area.
4) Notification lights. I have not known about many missed calls/texts that I would have seen much earlier using my G1.
5) Although I love the proximity sensor in theory, I guess I don't hold my phone correctly for it because I have already hit keys while talking more than I have in 2 years with the G1.
6) microUSB port on left side instead of bottom makes it impossible to hold the phone while it is charging (I am left handed).
7) Buggy, I've had a few crashes, and the camera got stuck running or something once because barcode scanner claimed it was in use and even after I tried to kill everything the battery drained from 60% to 0% within like 15 min in my pocket. Also had apps like Google Earth and some root apps lockup.
8) External speaker sounds tinny as hell.
9) You can't swap the microSD card without removing the battery.
10) Too expensive... I'll wait until my contract is fully up in march so I get a better discount, but I'm hoping there is a better GSM phone my then. If the Epic 4G worked on TMobile (or if Sprint worked at my house), I would take that over the G2 in a second purely for the better hardware keyboard design.
After all is said and done and you get CM6 or some other custom rom on your phone, all Android phones are basically the same, other than design and speed. G1 is dog slow, but it can still do EVERYTHING the G2 can, as can any other rooted Android phone. (except play flash as well, G1 hacks for flash are still lacking)

I am completely happy with my G2. I haven't had any major issues whatsoever, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else currently on the market. There is also nothing in the near future that I've seen (MyTouch HD, WP7, etc.) that will make me regret buying the G2. My next phone will likely be the G3!
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Are you satisified with your G2?

Sorry for the seemingly inane thread, but hear me out.
I'm considering importing the G2 so that means returning it would be impossible. A few questions before pulling the trigger:
- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Thanks for helping me and apologies for making you fill out a survey like this

i really like the phone, ive had a couple of them to compare. its really fast... with the stock rom, small compared to my hd2, they keyboard is going to take a little getting used to(im a custom to the touch pro), the hardware button for the camera is nice, and its native OS is droid.

cbmm said:
i really like the phone, ive had a couple of them to compare. its really fast... with the stock rom, small compared to my hd2, they keyboard is going to take a little getting used to(im a custom to the touch pro), the hardware button for the camera is nice, and its native OS is droid.
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I love it now that I over clocked it. The fact I can't get fully skinned roms is annoying but we already got overclock which has made this phone zooooom zooom. Fasted phone I have ever used.

Pickx said:
Sorry for the seemingly inane thread, but hear me out.
I'm considering importing the G2 so that means returning it would be impossible. A few questions before pulling the trigger:
- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Thanks for helping me and apologies for making you fill out a survey like this
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The only real issue I've encountered thus far is the loose hinge that closes when you're typing in bed, for example, but I've found that holding the phone a little higher so that your fingers are on the sides of the screen keeps it open. Minor annoyance, to be sure.
Other than that, this phone is ****ing awesome. Personally I like the weight, but objectively it's quite heavy compared to other phones. Overall, I highly recommend it.

Honestly i think the build quality is a little inconsistent, which is common when a phone first launches. I would be very nervous if you cant exchange it if something was wrong. Fortunately for me i work at a retail store that sells phones so I can fully inspect a phone before I buy it. I checked out 3 G2's and only 1 of them was good enough to buy, the other 2 had dust under the screen. My hinge is loose as well but im not bothered by it.
I would probably wait for a few models runs until htc has these things ironed out.

i'll let you know i get mine today (swithching from Touch pro 2)

- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
not really, the device is great, the hspa coverage (for me) is spotty in areas i frequent, thus the only showstopper (for me)
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
number row on keyboard. sure hdmi out woudl be nice but a lot of things would be. possible rgb leds (unless thats been debunked/solved) around the trackpad and charger led
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
i like they keyboard, i find that i actually like swype but havent composed a big, long email yet. i dont really like how the keyboard doesnt feel centered and G/H are slightly to the right which is opposite of coming from a G1 with it being to the left due to the chin. the enter key i feel should be a row down but these are all things you can get accustomed to. the spacing and such are good. im not a huge fan of the hinge since when opened it feels a bit wobbly. i dont doubt its sturdy overall just feels "cheap". its like having a door on a ferrari rattle when you close it or something (you wouldnt complain but you wish it wouldnt do that).
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
the heft is both good and bad. it feels executive like a premium device. the downside is it might be more prone to those accidental drops or something. i dont mind the weight but if i had a pick id wish it would weigh nothing and be 1"x1" but have the display of an ipad. of course these things dont add up.
overall i might take mine back, not for the device at all however. i do like it, its snappy its clean it does what i want (wish the camera was a bit better but again, not a dealbreaker). the only issue i have is with signal, which isnt device related.

- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?Not really, I get weak signal in my apt, but once they release wifi calling that will be fixed. I also have gotten used to the higne and the reboots seem to have stopped for me.
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
Nope, I came from an iPhone to this phoen though, so I was feature light to begin with
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
This is my first keyboard phone and its awesome! pefect thickness, and the keyboard feels great.
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Nah it feels solid, I would run with it, but I'd get some kind of neoprene sleeve/holster for it.

Pickx said:
Sorry for the seemingly inane thread, but hear me out.
I'm considering importing the G2 so that means returning it would be impossible. A few questions before pulling the trigger:
1- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
2- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
3- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
4- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Thanks for helping me and apologies for making you fill out a survey like this
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1, not with mine in particular, dead pixels and a weak hinge would really piss me off though.
2. You know that is one thing I would have liked but not needed. I play emulators ALOT on my phone and it would have been very nice to be able to hook up two wii controllers and bust out some old snes games with my wife on the tv.
3. Extra bulk? You need to start lifting weights if its to heavy for you. Keys are very very nice as long as I cut my nails, I had nails that hadnt been cut for two weeks or so and it was annoying. Females probably wouldnt like it, maybe you just need to get used to it.
4. Bulky? Naw I love it, it just feel cheap and weak.

Well, I just sent mine back to Tmobile for a new one.
Hinge became looser over the few weeks of owning it.
Phone would reboot on it's own from time to time.
Force Closed on apps all the time.
Signal would come in and out.
Don't let what I said scare you. I'm sure I just got a really bad apple, err... phone. I love the phone very much, and hopefully the new one works better. It's a really fast little ****er, no lie!

It does what every phone does and it doesn't do what its not meant to do "drive your car? Hopefully in 5 more years" As 3g or hspa, its deffenitely faster than the iphone 4 or any 3g phone "I live next to philly so I get good service, and I home tested myself since you can't blv ppl this days cuz they lie too much". The weight is cute it makes you feel like you have a 550$ hardware. Only thing I don't like is the opening screen, I thought it should be more solid and have a bit more preassure in it. Overall, I personally like it more than vibrant, feels like a more androidish phone. Only thing I desire is to get my hands on some htc sence.
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This is my first smartphone, so I'm pretty excited about what it can do. Only thing I'd really change right now is the SMS notice. The LED flash needs to either be constant (my preference) or much more frequent than it's currently set now. I can't believe that slipped by in UI testing.

Hmm, thanks for the help so far, you guys are really helpful. I've been playing the waiting game with Android since it launched. So many features are always 'right around the corner' and should be implemented any minute now (higher resolutions as rumored in Gingerbread, Tegra 2/ARM9, Super AMOLED on non-Samsung devices,
BUT, hardware keyboards are way too rare nowadays and this keyboard seems to have been executed quite well. Again, rare.
It's very scary to import a device that could end up with a wobbly hinge or repeated resets... but honestly other than the weight and the rootkit, this phone is extremely appealing. Looks dead sexy too.

It is sexy as hell. With that said, I'm on my second because I wanted the better deal from Costco.....100 vs 200
My first one started rebooting on its own (at least it restarted-my captivate shut down and wouldn't turn back on automatically) and now this one has the screen flicker problem when the brightness is set to low. Ill exchange it.
Overall this phone is the best phone I've had since the iPhone was the latest greatest.
Shipping it in with no option to return would make me nervous.
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Hmm. Maybe I'll get the Desire Z instead. I'll give it a week or so to see if these have less problems.

- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
Not any that I've noticed yet. Build quality throughout the initial release may be an issue- my first G2 had a cracked space bar, weak hinge, and after having the battery die in 6 hours, wouldn't charge or even turn on. The one I've got now? Perfect.
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
Colored notification LED's (whether that's on the speaker or around the track pad), ability to root
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
The keys most certainly don't feel cramped- it's a very, very spacious keyboard. I personally haven't used it very much, since I'm used to Swype, but the times I have used it (for typing URL's, long emails, or long texts) I've found it very comfortable and easy to use.
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
No way, I absolutely love the weight of this phone. It feels expensive, if you know what I mean. If you can find a phone with a strong hinge, the build quality feels absolutely fantastic. I don't job, so I can't tell you if it's good for that, but I can't imagine it would be very good for jogging without securing it to yourself in some way.
Hope this helps! This is the first phone that I've bought and truly been completely satisfied with out of the box. Aside from the rooting issues, this phone is perfect.

I absolutely love it! The thinkg flies! My only issues are no wifi hotspot yet and a few radio issues. These two things will be addressed in an ota update so I'm not too worried about it.

I'm really really loving mine. Had the G1 first, then the N1. Haven't had any of the hinge problems or random reboots. Screen is sharp, phone is super snappy (more so then the N1) and feels/looks like an expensive, proper business phone.
The keyboard is nice and got tons of really positive reviews. I personally liked the G1 keyboard better because it had dedicated number keys and overall seemed faster to type on.
As for negatives, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the crappy loudspeaker yet. I'd google some reviews of the speaker first if that factor is important to you.
Overall its a great device and I am very satisfied with it. Having said that I also didn't have any of the problems other users complained about. If you get one that works like mine I think you'd fall equally in love with it.
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I just recently got the G2 about two days ago and I love it! I previously had the Blackberry Pearl for a few years and thought it was time for an upgrade. This is my first Android phone and so far, it's wonderful. I don't have the loose hinge issue or any other visible problems.
Just still getting used to it, looking for the good apps that'll tickle my funny bone, and reading more on "rooting" and the like. I'm enjoying my experience.
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The Good:
-Speedy, apps launch quickly and the phone is very smooth
-Great size, form factor
-Decent screen and brightness
-GOOD keyboard
-Battery life was impressive
The Bad:
-All three I had (yes, I ended up taking the last one back too) did the reboots in low service areas
-On my morning drive, my HD2 never drops my call. The G2 would drop in 3 places every day
-The hinge was very poorly done, and as someone who started the HTC keyboard phones with the Tytn-II, Touch Pro, and Touch Pro 2, I know they can get it right. This was just a stupid, stupid design.
-No 4gb of storage
-What the hell is with the trackpad? Can we just ditch it and save a bit of space?
I could have looked past the hinge issue, but the obvious radio issues combined with the DRM like protection of the ROM, I decided that TMOUS and HTC could shove it with this phone.

Swapped my Focus for a Quantum

Call me crazy, but I went in to AT&T today and swapped them out. I was really interested in having a physical keyboard, and was much more impressed with the build quality of the LG.
If you have any questions about the device, feel free to ask and I'll answer what I can.

I know what you mean, I came from a Galaxy S Vibrant to the Quantum and the LG blows the Vibrant out of the water in terms of build quality, the Vibrant felt like a cheap toy in comparison.

Yea I'm really loving the keyboard. Probably the best one I've used on a mobile phone yet. Overall solid build with just the right amount of heft.

dougp.me said:
Call me crazy, but I went in to AT&T today and swapped them out. I was really interested in having a physical keyboard, and was much more impressed with the build quality of the LG.
If you have any questions about the device, feel free to ask and I'll answer what I can.
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I didn't play with it as long as i wanted. But how is the keyboard, as far as a fast typer?. Example if you slide your finger across the keyboard. The asdfghjkl; how well does it pick up. Do it leave some letters out? Hope you can make out what im Trying to ask lol. I hope it has a better keyboard than lets say some issues with the epic 4g keyboard.

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I didn't play with it as long as i wanted. But how is the keyboard, as far as a fast typer?. Example if you slide your finger across the keyboard. The asdfghjkl; how well does it pick up. Do it leave some letters out? Hope you can make out what im Trying to ask lol. I hope it has a better keyboard than lets say some issues with the epic 4g keyboard.
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The only thing I can compare it to are portrait keyboards like a Treo - but it's good for a wider keyboard.
Here's a test by line for you:
Qwertyuiop
Asdfghjkl
Zxcvbnm
1234567890
@#$%&()-\
!;:'"?/
No issues it seems! =D

it picks up letters without a problem, but i find the keys a little too spaced and the FN/caps buttons don't illuminate, shows up on screen...Still very satisfied with the Quantum, it's very fast in comparisson to my 8925, but i like the tilt keyboard better.

Thanks well the keyboard seems nice. I still got 5 more months before i decide on getting one.

Doug,
Given that you first used the Focus, how exactly does the Quantum's 3.5" TFT display stand up to the Focus's 4" Super AMOLED?
The Quantum stands out to me for some reason and one of the only real concerns I have is how much I'm giving up on the screen front if I go with the Quantum. Did you feel like you downgraded on the display when you booted up the Quantum?
Appreciate it!

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Doug,
Given that you first used the Focus, how exactly does the Quantum's 3.5" TFT display stand up to the Focus's 4" Super AMOLED?
The Quantum stands out to me for some reason and one of the only real concerns I have is how much I'm giving up on the screen front if I go with the Quantum. Did you feel like you downgraded on the display when you booted up the Quantum?
Appreciate it!
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Short answer, I do not feel like I downgraded.
Long answer - while the SAMOLED's look great, they have their shortcomings. They're 16-bit only, so there is banding (noticeable, given the size.) Their battery life isn't spectacular, but that could potentially be due to the size of the battery. Since the resolution isn't different, things tend to look sharper on the 3.5" - also, brightness is all personal preference. I thought the SAMOLED was way too bright for me.

Thanks for your time, Doug!

Does the battery life on the LG compare to the Focus? The Focus seems to have great battery life so I don't to give that up if I switch. I am mainly concerned with the sound quality of the Focus. Also, I am worried they won't be able to find a good SD Card for the phone. I think the Focus is the only phone that can combine two different types of memory (NAND and SD-card). I am not sure the OS can handle the speed differential without a software patch to slow down the reads/writes of the NAND so there is no difference between it and the SD-Card.
I saw in the MobileTechReview.com review that the screen sharpness is not that good. What are your thoughts?
Also, how is the sound quality of the phone? Is the speaker loud? Does the earpiece have enough volume?
Thanks in advance for your time and answers. There are not too many good reviews of the phone.
JS

Tested all 3 AT&T devices
After reading many of the reviews on the at&t WP7 offerings I thought what I wanted was the Samsung Focus.
Last week end I spent a couple of hours playing with the phones in the AT&T store. I currently have an htc Fuze and I wanted to stay with htc, but after playing with the Surround I was disappointed with the speakers. The heft was not worth it for the sound.
There are many in my family who are of the iPhone faithful and I have played with their devices many times and am able to type with their on screen keyboards without much trauma. The reviews said the Focus keyboard was as good as the iPhone. The Focus was fun to play with; I liked the 4 inch screen, but my fat fingers could not work the on screen keyboard. I spent quite a while trying to type in both portrait and landscape and I had difficulty getting even one word right. Unfortunately, Focus is out.
At first the LG was of no interest because of the small 3.5 inch screen; I didn't even realize it had a slide out keyboard. I wanted an AT&T WP7 device and the first two, after playing with them for a while, simply were not going to work. When I picked up the LG Quantum the build quality was obvious from the first touch. It felt perfect! To my surprise, I pushed on the case and out popped this very smooth hard keyboard. I was hoping that I could graduate from a hard keyboard after using my kid's iPhones, but after sliding out the LG keyboard I easily typed out a paragraph with no errors! It even has arrow keys which I was unable to find on the soft keyboard which made the much needed editing even more frustrating. I loved the feel of the LG!
After reading many online reviews and a couple of hours of utube videos, I ordered the LG Quantum for $80 from CellularDeals.com. I am now eagerly awaiting its delivery...

is there an app on the quantum that'll let you use the camera flash as a flashlight?
I saw a comment somewhere that indicated there was, but didn't specify if it was homebrew or not.

Quantum Screen Response
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I now have my Quantum; the screen is the same size as an iPhone and not many iOS users complain about its size.
It seems that sometimes the screen is unresponsive, tap, tap, and nothing happens. I didn't notice it in the att store, but I do now. It may be my inexperience with a full capacitive touch screen, but, for example, if I touch the little arrow on the Home screen to access the app list, nothing happens. I have to swipe the screen to the left instead. The other arrow works intermittently also.
If anyone else has experience a similar unresponsive touch screen, please comment. I could be my unit needs to be replaced.

hey all! i thought id throw in my .02, as i won a quantum, and it arrived the other day! FWIW; i have worked for at&t for well over a decade, and couldn't begin to list the devices that i've had in my posession. however i can say that in 3 years i've rotated through an iphone3g, htc tilt 2, htc aria (which i still am using), samsung captivate, and now the lg. let me state for the record that i'm not a fan of lg phones. in fact i was rather disapointed to find that the quantum was the device i "won", as it was not my first (or second) choice if i were to purchase a wm7 device new. that opinion changed the moment i held, and fired, this beauty up. its nothing short of solid, well built, and highly functional.
this device is as responsive as any other capatacitive screen device ive owned yet...and maybe more so. typing on this device screen is accurate, and percise, even without the haptic feedback some devices offer. i do miss this option, but its not a deal breaker. the color is richer than i expected, considering its not the samoled screens some other devices offer. its size seemed to be a draw back at first glance, compaired to the smasung and htc, but has quickly become a non issue. the coating on the screen is oil phobic, like the iphone3gs, and cleans up quickly. summary: very impressed!
the keyboard...oh the keyboard...
ive never really liked having a physical keyboard. maybe ive become spoiled over the years; maybe since my first "smart phone" (htc sx66), nobody seemed to make one that felt solid. well, ive changed my tune. from the first solid "snap" of the board for service to my fingers, ive been a convert. this is not the crap lg keyboard they have loaded in their other devices. this one is clearly their way of stepping up to the plate, and showing that lg can, in fact, compete in the highly competitive smartphone device market. IMO, the addition of the function and caps buttons away from the main board body seem to make sense, and were a welcome addition. it seems mine dosent have the issue ive read here of a uneven back light. i was able to text in the darkness of my favoriate tavern last night without fuss. all the buttons lit evenly and just bright enough for my aging eyes to see without being over saturated, or needing to squint. granted, it darkenes a bit quick for my liking, im sure future wm7 updates will open more posibilities to adjust this. summary: quite impressed.
call clairity, speaker volume, bluetooth connectivity and battery life are all (mostly)exceeding my expacations. i say "mostly" because the battery seems to not quite make it a full day yet on a full charge. but to be fair, none of the devices i listed above ever really made it on a full charge from bell to bell. ive noticed its network strength is as strong as my aria is, and better than my iphone was (shocker). mulitiple bleutooth devices were added, and used without so much as a wimper. i would like a bit more sound volume (because im a touch deaf in one ear), or at least some sort of equalizer function...but thats more wm7 than lg. summary: really damn impressed!
the size, weight and build quality have (obviously) made me change my mind about lgs ability to produce a viable device that will likely see much use from me before it gets replaced...or should i say "upgraded"? good, solid and dense; it dosent feel like a toy that will crumple under my usage, or break if i get a bit carried away. it feels like a productivity tool...which is exactly how i intend to use it!
I hope this helps provide some perspective...and slightly more than .02!
ciao!

I went from a Tilt2 to a HTC Surround... HATED not having the slide-out keyboard, got an LG Quantum... LOVE IT!!!

Good Battery Life
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...summary: quite impressed.
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DamnageD said:
...call clarity, speaker volume, Bluetooth connectivity and battery life are all (mostly) exceeding my expectations. I say "mostly" because the battery seems to not quite make it a full day yet on a full charge...
ciao!
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My Quantum was delivered on 7 December and last night, 20 December, was only the fourth charge including the first one out of the box. Last night I talked with my brother in Oregon for about three hours and the little battery icon was pretty small.
My wife is using the Quantum most of the time and her usage is lower than mine, but she makes and receives calls all day, does a few text messages and when we are driving around, every time she sees blue lights or hears a siren she goes onto her favorite websites, the sheriff’s scanner and fire rescue site. She has her favorite websites pinned to the home screen at the bottom and can logon in seconds anytime with a slid and a tap.
Because of a posting mishap, it is now after 11pm 22 December and the battery icon still says the Quantum has about 1/3 charge after two days of use.

rossi32s said:
I went from a Tilt2 to a HTC Surround... HATED not having the slide-out keyboard, got an LG Quantum... LOVE IT!!!
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so, did you notice phone get too hot when charged ?

I did not have the HTC surround long enough to charge it more than 2x. My LG Quantum does not get hot during charging.
I had to charge my Tilt 2 every day since I use outlook with exchange and the connection is always open. I have the same setup with the Quantum and only charge it every 2-3 days.

Getting my G2 tomorrow! Very excited!

It finally will arrive from the buyer. Can't wait to root it and get some more CM6 action. Also can't wait to get my Nexus on eBay.
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Grats!
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Congrats pal.

So are you selling nexus s or one on ebay to get g2?. If yes, why? I have nexus s and thinking about exchanging it for g2.
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So are you selling nexus s or one on ebay to get g2?. If yes, why? I have nexus s and thinking about exchanging it for g2.
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That's exactly what I'm doing. Here's why (pros = +, cons = -):
Nexus S: (can sell for $650)
+beautiful SAMOLED screen
+instant updates from Google
+very light and sexy
-all-plastic housing is a fingerprint and scratch magnet
-no notification LED
-it's a Samsung
G2: (bought for $400)
+hardware keyboard
+matte finish is not a fingerprint magnet
+notification and charging LEDs
+SLCD is also beautiful, albeit less saturated
+HTC quality
-smaller screen
-heavier and larger
-non-Google updates (but I use CM)
Since they're both fairly equal on the specs level (minus the above nit-picks), I'd rather have the extra $250 and the G2's quirks over the Nexus's quirks. I'm also expecting a lot of "next-gen" Android devices to be unveiled at CES, so I'm probably only going to have this phone for 4-6 months anyways. The Nexus is just a little too pricey for something that isn't far enough beyond the G2; they're both essentially in the same hardware "generation."

TheBiles said:
That's exactly what I'm doing. Here's why (pros = +, cons = -):
Nexus S: (can sell for $650)
+beautiful SAMOLED screen
+instant updates from Google
+very light and sexy
-all-plastic housing is a fingerprint and scratch magnet
-no notification LED
-it's a Samsung
G2: (bought for $400)
+hardware keyboard
+matte finish is not a fingerprint magnet
+notification and charging LEDs
+SLCD is also beautiful, albeit less saturated
+HTC quality
-smaller screen
-heavier and larger
-non-Google updates (but I use CM)
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I can't possibly agree with all your + and - points....
AMOLED is WAY oversaturated. Nice in theory, but doesn't actually look right. It is quite a ways from being on par with SLCD for image quality.
On the VISION, the smaller screen is a ***PLUS***. I actually find the Vision's screen to still be too big. The DREAM's touch screen was a good size. I would never own a phone with a 4+ as it just gets to be too much stretching for 1-handed operation.
Also, being heavier and larger is also a POSITIVE. As an example, try to see how long a ford focus will last out on a battlefield against tanks and machine guns. A phone has to be sturdy and have a substantial mass to it because it IS used in a hostile environment -- temperature changes, water, being dropped, etc. It is also easier to hold when it has some weight. The tiny and low weight junkies are seriously confused people. Its not as if the thing is as big as a cell phone from the 80's.

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I can't possibly agree with all your + and - points....
AMOLED is WAY oversaturated. Nice in theory, but doesn't actually look right. It is quite a ways from being on par with SLCD for image quality.
On the VISION, the smaller screen is a ***PLUS***. I actually find the Vision's screen to still be too big. The DREAM's touch screen was a good size. I would never own a phone with a 4+ as it just gets to be too much stretching for 1-handed operation.
Also, being heavier and larger is also a POSITIVE. As an example, try to see how long a ford focus will last out on a battlefield against tanks and machine guns. A phone has to be sturdy and have a substantial mass to it because it IS used in a hostile environment -- temperature changes, water, being dropped, etc. It is also easier to hold when it has some weight. The tiny and low weight junkies are seriously confused people. Its not as if the thing is as big as a cell phone from the 80's.
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Relax. They were my own opinions.
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Relax. They were my own opinions.
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I am relaxed. I'm just helping to improve your perspective on the device you have chosen to own. I.e., you should feel even better! What you've chosen is, by FAR, the best phone out there.

Yep got mine last week, awesome phone..running gingerbread rom nicely
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I'm still using CM6.1.1 until we get an official CM7 RC. I just love my CM extras too much.
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I won't be touching CM7 on Vision until I know that it can be trusted. Phone has to actually work. Experimental stuff to happen on the Dream.

I finally took the plunge and I have ordered a Desire Z to arrive tomorrow. I almost bit the bullet and bought it at launch but during the delays in Europe, I read so much about the hinge issue and chickened out.
My Touch Pro 2 has developed the dreaded newton rings for the second time in 6months and I have sent it away to be repaired on warranty. I will sell it when it returns.
This situation forced me into buying a new phone and I looked at the Desire Z (again), Nexus S and Desire HD. I just couldnt bring myself to accept the size of the DHD. I have used phones with keyboards for the past 3 years and I dont think I can live without a keyboard. I went to Bestbuy on a few occassions to try out the touchscreen keyboard on the NS but it just didnt feel rght. I know how frustrated I got when I tried to type simple mesages on the screen of my TP2.
I decided on getting the DZ since the hinge 'problem' only surfaces when the phone is held in a ridiculous way you probably will never hold it in most real world situations. Anyway I bought it online so I have 7 days to return it if the hinge seems to be a really big problem.

TheBiles said:
That's exactly what I'm doing. Here's why (pros = +, cons = -):
Nexus S: (can sell for $650)
+beautiful SAMOLED screen
+instant updates from Google
+very light and sexy
-all-plastic housing is a fingerprint and scratch magnet
-no notification LED
-it's a Samsung
G2: (bought for $400)
+hardware keyboard
+matte finish is not a fingerprint magnet
+notification and charging LEDs
+SLCD is also beautiful, albeit less saturated
+HTC quality
-smaller screen
-heavier and larger
-non-Google updates (but I use CM)
Since they're both fairly equal on the specs level (minus the above nit-picks), I'd rather have the extra $250 and the G2's quirks over the Nexus's quirks. I'm also expecting a lot of "next-gen" Android devices to be unveiled at CES, so I'm probably only going to have this phone for 4-6 months anyways. The Nexus is just a little too pricey for something that isn't far enough beyond the G2; they're both essentially in the same hardware "generation."
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This is one of the clearest break downs I've seen for choosing a G2. These are some of the reason I chose the G2. Plus I really feel like both the Nexus S and Gingerbread were a rush job for the Christmas dough.
That said, I almost got the Nexus S just for the resale value. Because, come april-may 2011 the G2 probably won't fetch more than $175-200 tops.
Oh well I saved money on this end.

lombardo8 said:
I have used phones with keyboards for the past 3 years and I dont think I can live without a keyboard. I went to Bestbuy on a few occassions to try out the touchscreen keyboard on the NS but it just didnt feel rght. I know how frustrated I got when I tried to type simple mesages on the screen of my TP2.
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I can't stand "traditional" touchscreen keyboards either, but Swype works really well. I am finding myself surprised at how often I use Swype instead of the hardware keyboard on my Vision. I still use the hardware keyboard for longer messages. But for my next phone, I may seriously consider a phone without a keyboard.

redpoint73 said:
I can't stand "traditional" touchscreen keyboards either, but Swype works really well. I am finding myself surprised at how often I use Swype instead of the hardware keyboard on my Vision. I still use the hardware keyboard for longer messages. But for my next phone, I may seriously consider a phone without a keyboard.
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That has to be a matter of personal preference. Swype, to me, was absolute garbage, so I deleted it.

dhkr123 said:
That has to be a matter of personal preference. Swype, to me, was absolute garbage, so I deleted it.
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Personal preference? Absolutely. But I'm surprised you would go so far as to call Swype "absolute garbage". What about it didn't you like? As a "regular" touchscreen keyboard, its seems just about as good as any other. As far as 'swiping' words, I find it very good at predicting the word I intended, even when I often know for fact that I didn't hit the letters exactly right.

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Personal preference? Absolutely. But I'm surprised you would go so far as to call Swype "absolute garbage". What about it didn't you like? As a "regular" touchscreen keyboard, its seems just about as good as any other. As far as 'swiping' words, I find it very good at predicting the word I intended, even when I often know for fact that I didn't hit the letters exactly right.
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Swype is the thing of gods. I couldn't use a software keyboard without it.

I tried Swpe on a colleagues Galaxy S and was very impressed. I could get used to using Swype but the problem is I type mainly in slang and a kind of english (african patois) which means I woud have to use the Swype keyboard like an ordinary keyboard most times.

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I tried Swpe on a colleagues Galaxy S and was very impressed. I could get used to using Swype but the problem is I type mainly in slang and a kind of english (african patois) which means I woud have to use the Swype keyboard like an ordinary keyboard most times.
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After you type the word once it will learn it.

What a phone! So so beautiful! That hinge is not an issue. Under no circumstances would I hold my phone the way that we see in all them videos on the internet.
ALK say on their website that u cant transfer copilot live 8 from a windows mobile to an android phone but its a big lie!. it was the first thing i installed and it works a treat. I have also downloaded angry birds, I know everyones going crazy about that so I thought i would join in. I am going to try and install Swype in a minute. I have only had the phone about 45 minutes and I am completely blown away. I was actually able to watch hustle on BBC iPlayer in my browser. Phone technolgy has grown in leaps and bounds since I bought my TP2.
Thank goodness I didnt allow those videos about the hinge put me off from buying this truly wonderful phone.