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Dell Streak or Captivate (Galaxy S)

Hey guys,
I would really appreciate it if you could tell me which phone you think would be the better choice. I have had an upgrade from AT&T for over half a year and have been waiting for a big bad a** Android phone to get but have not been inspired yet. The Streak is looking really good and has had me interested for quite some time, but this new Samsung Captivate looks just as great. What do you guys think will be the best choice?

Ive seen a lot of these threads, but i rarely see how the 2 devices are rivals for each other.
The streak is a landscape pad, that can make calls. The Galaxy is a phone.
All you can do is try them in store to see what you think.

Just depends what you want! Streak is much larger of course.

rovex said:
Ive seen a lot of these threads, but i rarely see how the 2 devices are rivals for each other.
The streak is a landscape pad, that can make calls. The Galaxy is a phone.
All you can do is try them in store to see what you think.
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I agree with that, to me i wanted a tablet and i did not want one as big as the Icrap hence a came across the dell its everything i wanted in a tablet that size and the bonus to me was you can make calls from it as i was not looking for that at first, at present i do not think there is anything better on the market,but now HP has acquired Palm i am sure they will come up with a little gem

Depends on what you want it for.
My usage of a 'mobile device' is a tool first, then a phone. I spend a lot of time travelling and the large screen of the streak makes web browsing, emails, work stuff and games really easy. I rarely use it as a phone other than for a quick call that lasts a minute or two.
So in my case the streak is perfect - especially since my eyes are going. However if I was primarily a phone user - then it would be the wrong device - too big, awkward to hold on a long call compared to a basic nokia anyway.
My view is that now days the phone part is the least used function - so if its going to be a web browser/facebook/twitter/email client then it needs to have a usable screen that makes its main function pleasant to use.
Its not saying the phone part is not important - for me its critical it works as a phone - which it does - its easy to hear, people reckon the sound is good so it fulfils that requirement - but as I said - the phone bit is only used for 5 minutes a day so the big screen means more to me than the fact it feels odd when you talk into it.
On a carrying it around front, its not too big at all, it fits in my pockets quite easily as it's so slim. It gets good signal strength, it hasn't crashed and I've even read an ebook on it which I wouldn't have even attempted on the desire.
(oh and it's quite cool putting other peoples phones on it and saying - oh look, your whole phone is smaller than my screen.......)
But if you spend hours chatting on the phone, either get another phone or buy a bluetooth headset.

navrac said:
(oh and it's quite cool putting other peoples phones on it and saying - oh look, your whole phone is smaller than my screen.......)
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LMAO! Sorry to intrude, but that was a hilarious comment!

navrac said:
(oh and it's quite cool putting other peoples phones on it and saying - oh look, your whole phone is smaller than my screen.......)
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I can't wait to do that to the iFolk. Of course, they'll defend their god and justify their purchase anyway they can.

I have had both of these within the last couple of weeks so can make a direct comparison. The Galaxy is a 4" display and most definitely a phone. The Dell Streak has a 5" screen and also a reasonable sized surround and in my view looks absolutely daft held up to the ear like a phone.
I remember buying an early Nokia Communicator to use as a converged device and it wasn't until I saw someone else using it like a phone that I realised that instead of looking like the cutting edge device it was, it actually looked like a throwback to the early days of mobile phones.
What I usually do if I havn't actually seen the phone in the flesh is to make a little paper model of it from the dimensions and see how it is going to fit in the hand etc.

navrac said:
Depends on what you want it for.
My usage of a 'mobile device' is a tool first, then a phone. I spend a lot of time travelling and the large screen of the streak makes web browsing, emails, work stuff and games really easy. I rarely use it as a phone other than for a quick call that lasts a minute or two.
So in my case the streak is perfect - especially since my eyes are going. However if I was primarily a phone user - then it would be the wrong device - too big, awkward to hold on a long call compared to a basic nokia anyway.
My view is that now days the phone part is the least used function - so if its going to be a web browser/facebook/twitter/email client then it needs to have a usable screen that makes its main function pleasant to use.
Its not saying the phone part is not important - for me its critical it works as a phone - which it does - its easy to hear, people reckon the sound is good so it fulfils that requirement - but as I said - the phone bit is only used for 5 minutes a day so the big screen means more to me than the fact it feels odd when you talk into it.
On a carrying it around front, its not too big at all, it fits in my pockets quite easily as it's so slim. It gets good signal strength, it hasn't crashed and I've even read an ebook on it which I wouldn't have even attempted on the desire.
(oh and it's quite cool putting other peoples phones on it and saying - oh look, your whole phone is smaller than my screen.......)
But if you spend hours chatting on the phone, either get another phone or buy a bluetooth headset.
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You just helped me make my decision. Your view on the function of what a phone is used for is just like mine. It is a media device that makes phone calls from time to time when you need to make one. I can not wait for the streak to be released in the US. I hope that July 14 date turns out to be true!

abezapata said:
Hey guys,
I would really appreciate it if you could tell me which phone you think would be the better choice. I have had an upgrade from AT&T for over half a year and have been waiting for a big bad a** Android phone to get but have not been inspired yet. The Streak is looking really good and has had me interested for quite some time, but this new Samsung Captivate looks just as great. What do you guys think will be the best choice?
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If you are planning to watch videos on streak then I will tell you this that its screen is inferior when comparing AMOLED screen on desire .. colours are dull screen looks washed out & strangely looks a bit pixalated too .. I dont think its resolution is high enough ..
Other than thats its a perfect tablet with the only other let down 1.6 which shouldnt be an issue as 2.2 should come soon. Build and look is awsome, good camera, good in every other aspect in my view

ufh1 said:
If you are planning to watch videos on streak then I will tell you this that its screen is inferior when comparing AMOLED screen on desire .. colours are dull screen looks washed out & strangely looks a bit pixalated too .. I dont think its resolution is high enough ..
Other than thats its a perfect tablet with the only other let down 1.6 which shouldnt be an issue as 2.2 should come soon. Build and look is awsome, good camera, good in every other aspect in my view
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The movie problem would not be too bad since I prefer watching them at home on the big screen. I just want the screen to perform well when I am browsing the web and using social apps on it.

abezapata said:
The movie problem would not be too bad since I prefer watching them at home on the big screen. I just want the screen to perform well when I am browsing the web and using social apps on it.
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+1
I have a half dozen movies, and dozens of Seinfeld episodes, that I use on every phone I buy. When I watch a video on a phone I'm not looking for "true blacks" or "bright vibrant colors" or anything approaching high end quality. I'm looking for a quick and dirty way to kill some time while staring intently at a sub 6" screen.
YMMV but for me, the size of the streak's screen trumps all the advantages of AMOLED's superior color rendering, etc.

Pick them both up in a shop and have a go!
Something that may sway you is that the AMOLED screen on the Galaxy is really fragile, drop it on a floor and it will break
And it's really soft glass, even the softcase that it comes with has been known to scratch it

'navrac' summarised the phones' attributes perfectly. I would also like to add that it has a certain feeling of quality. It seems to be the choice for the connoisseur and enthusiast, a device whose qualities only become fully appreciated after an extended period of ownership. Whilst other smart phone users may try to ridicule it's size, the Streak owner will just smile quietly inwardly to himself, safe in the knowledge that his device will still be giving useful service long after their buzz boxes have been consigned to the rubbish bin.

I'd definately take a look at the HTC Desire

abezapata said:
Hey guys,
I would really appreciate it if you could tell me which phone you think would be the better choice. I have had an upgrade from AT&T for over half a year and have been waiting for a big bad a** Android phone to get but have not been inspired yet. The Streak is looking really good and has had me interested for quite some time, but this new Samsung Captivate looks just as great. What do you guys think will be the best choice?
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Speaking as someone who has just switched from a Samsung Galaxy S (i9000 model) to the Dell Streak, here are my reasons for doing so:
1. GPS problems on the i9000 - I'm not convinced they'll ever be fixed. Certainly for me SatNav is a big factor in my smartphone usage.
2. The "lag" problem on the i9000. Indicative of sloppy coding (some say bad choice of filesystem, so perhaps just sloppy engineering decision). There are fixes but none of them seem to be the "true" fix.
3. I do a lot of reading (RSS feeds etc) so I came to realise that I could benefit from a larger screen - but not so large I couldn't pocket it.
4. Although the build quality of the i9000 didn't bother me (I did manage to take a minuscule chink out of the glass by dropping it on ... carpet?!) it did creak a bit because it seems to be virtually all plastic. The Streak on the other hand seems really well put together and solid - no creaking. The Streak looks quite menacing, the i9000 looks like an apology for an iPhone 3G
There are annoyances with the Streak, my main gripe is that the default orientation for everything is Landscape and there's no way of changing it (that I know). Even if I lock ADW launcher into portrait mode - in reality it stays locked to landscape! Maddening!
I was also concerned that the size of the Streak might mean I'd have problems pocketing it - no worries so far, it slides easily into my front trouser pocket and comes out just as easily.
Neither device is perfect, but really the GPS issue on the i9000 was the dealbreaker.

checkbox111 said:
Pick them both up in a shop and have a go!
Something that may sway you is that the AMOLED screen on the Galaxy is really fragile, drop it on a floor and it will break
And it's really soft glass, even the softcase that it comes with has been known to scratch it
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Um the captivate has gorilla glass so i don't see how it is fragile

gorilla glass is more scratch resistant than it is shatter/chipping resistant
fragile can imply either case

You got your point,that's for sure.But,hey,it's too naive to comment "its resolution is not high enough" ,the truth is 800x480 for a 5' screen,as a tablet,is a bit too high.
Typical tablets have some PPI(pixel per inch) like 132(iPad),170(Samsung P1000),149(Lenovo Lepad).Sure,higher PPI means better video/picture viewing,but it also means the control/text in softwares will become smaller by compare,and that would make you experience difficulty interacting with softwares design for tablets.
Dell Streak's PPI is 187,which is already a little bit too high as a tablet,it would become a phone/mp4 if you make the resolution even higher.

You can always change the phone's DPI setting by editing the build prop
the streak's default DPI is 160 and if it were brought to a similar ratio as HTC phones it would be set to around ~200
DPI determines the size/scaling of everything, the only issue is that the stock dialer in streak and a couple of other widgets are not Android stock, they break at 200 DPI but otherwise it works well enough at 200-240 DPI

Pre orderrrr

The g2, because I just did.
I'm just curious how long it's gonna take to find root.

AustinAce said:
The g2, because I just did.
I'm just curious how long it's gonna take to find root.
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This HTC VISION is a big thing. I suspect that it might find its way to becoming the next dev phone -- if it follows the HTC DREAM, it should be the ADP4 *with root* shortly before xmas. I'll certainly wait on that to avoid the tmobile branding.

Well I'll always have my first born hahaha!

We bought my wife a G1 2 years ago, I think the first month it was available. It was replacing her Treo 650. I used to prefer the cheap, plain Nokia phones. They were really great phones, no frills, but great reception, great sound, great durability. But after playing with my wife's G1 for a few days to learn how to use it so I could show her, I had to have my own, so about 22 months ago, I got a G1. I LOVE my G1. I've had it rooted for a little over a year. I started with JF1.5 and I'm currently running CM5.0.8. The G1 still rocks (although it's a tiny bit buggy and slow at times). This past Mon, I preordered my G2.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
My G2 should be here Fri. If I can get my G2 on my corp wifi (WPA-Enterprise) then I may not root, at least not yet.

I got my G2 this morning. I have to say, I am not disappointed at all. It's super fast! DL speeds are about 4-5 mbps, where I experienced 2-3 on my G1. Battery life is solid. Everything opens instantly! I keep expecting it to take a few seconds to pen dialer or browser but it's almost instantaneous! Build quality is beyond great, the aluminum feels super high quality and the hinge is very sturdy, and fluid in it's motion path. The keyboard is just how you would expect it, the buttons are large and easy to press, but you do miss the extra number row at teh top, and the .com button is where i'd expect the a to be, but I'll get used to it in a few days. Swype is amazing on the bigger screen. The screen is gorgeous, colors pop like crazy and it's totally readable in the sunlight. I'm not used to everything being so big Size wise it fit's in my pocket exactly like my G1,, it is a little taller and a little wider but a lot thiner. The camera is great, and I've already used the flash! If you have any questions about it the best place to go would be the the G2 forums. If anyone wants I can put up a few g1 vs g2 size comparison pics.

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I got my G2 this morning. I have to say, I am not disappointed at all. It's super fast! DL speeds are about 4-5 mbps, where I experienced 2-3 on my G1. Battery life is solid. Everything opens instantly! I keep expecting it to take a few seconds to pen dialer or browser but it's almost instantaneous! Build quality is beyond great, the aluminum feels super high quality and the hinge is very sturdy, and fluid in it's motion path. The keyboard is just how you would expect it, the buttons are large and easy to press, but you do miss the extra number row at teh top, and the .com button is where i'd expect the a to be, but I'll get used to it in a few days. Swype is amazing on the bigger screen. The screen is gorgeous, colors pop like crazy and it's totally readable in the sunlight. I'm not used to everything being so big Size wise it fit's in my pocket exactly like my G1,, it is a little taller and a little wider but a lot thiner. The camera is great, and I've already used the flash! If you have any questions about it the best place to go would be the the G2 forums. If anyone wants I can put up a few g1 vs g2 size comparison pics.
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What is the url of G2 forums and please could you post pictures... I am sooo close to just buying this phone and calling it a day... my G1 had it's run but now it must R.I.P.
You make the G2 sound so well I think I might just head on down to Radio Shack sunday.

Are you satisified with your G2?

Sorry for the seemingly inane thread, but hear me out.
I'm considering importing the G2 so that means returning it would be impossible. A few questions before pulling the trigger:
- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Thanks for helping me and apologies for making you fill out a survey like this

i really like the phone, ive had a couple of them to compare. its really fast... with the stock rom, small compared to my hd2, they keyboard is going to take a little getting used to(im a custom to the touch pro), the hardware button for the camera is nice, and its native OS is droid.

cbmm said:
i really like the phone, ive had a couple of them to compare. its really fast... with the stock rom, small compared to my hd2, they keyboard is going to take a little getting used to(im a custom to the touch pro), the hardware button for the camera is nice, and its native OS is droid.
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I love it now that I over clocked it. The fact I can't get fully skinned roms is annoying but we already got overclock which has made this phone zooooom zooom. Fasted phone I have ever used.

Pickx said:
Sorry for the seemingly inane thread, but hear me out.
I'm considering importing the G2 so that means returning it would be impossible. A few questions before pulling the trigger:
- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Thanks for helping me and apologies for making you fill out a survey like this
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The only real issue I've encountered thus far is the loose hinge that closes when you're typing in bed, for example, but I've found that holding the phone a little higher so that your fingers are on the sides of the screen keeps it open. Minor annoyance, to be sure.
Other than that, this phone is ****ing awesome. Personally I like the weight, but objectively it's quite heavy compared to other phones. Overall, I highly recommend it.

Honestly i think the build quality is a little inconsistent, which is common when a phone first launches. I would be very nervous if you cant exchange it if something was wrong. Fortunately for me i work at a retail store that sells phones so I can fully inspect a phone before I buy it. I checked out 3 G2's and only 1 of them was good enough to buy, the other 2 had dust under the screen. My hinge is loose as well but im not bothered by it.
I would probably wait for a few models runs until htc has these things ironed out.

i'll let you know i get mine today (swithching from Touch pro 2)

- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
not really, the device is great, the hspa coverage (for me) is spotty in areas i frequent, thus the only showstopper (for me)
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
number row on keyboard. sure hdmi out woudl be nice but a lot of things would be. possible rgb leds (unless thats been debunked/solved) around the trackpad and charger led
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
i like they keyboard, i find that i actually like swype but havent composed a big, long email yet. i dont really like how the keyboard doesnt feel centered and G/H are slightly to the right which is opposite of coming from a G1 with it being to the left due to the chin. the enter key i feel should be a row down but these are all things you can get accustomed to. the spacing and such are good. im not a huge fan of the hinge since when opened it feels a bit wobbly. i dont doubt its sturdy overall just feels "cheap". its like having a door on a ferrari rattle when you close it or something (you wouldnt complain but you wish it wouldnt do that).
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
the heft is both good and bad. it feels executive like a premium device. the downside is it might be more prone to those accidental drops or something. i dont mind the weight but if i had a pick id wish it would weigh nothing and be 1"x1" but have the display of an ipad. of course these things dont add up.
overall i might take mine back, not for the device at all however. i do like it, its snappy its clean it does what i want (wish the camera was a bit better but again, not a dealbreaker). the only issue i have is with signal, which isnt device related.

- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?Not really, I get weak signal in my apt, but once they release wifi calling that will be fixed. I also have gotten used to the higne and the reboots seem to have stopped for me.
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
Nope, I came from an iPhone to this phoen though, so I was feature light to begin with
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
This is my first keyboard phone and its awesome! pefect thickness, and the keyboard feels great.
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Nah it feels solid, I would run with it, but I'd get some kind of neoprene sleeve/holster for it.

Pickx said:
Sorry for the seemingly inane thread, but hear me out.
I'm considering importing the G2 so that means returning it would be impossible. A few questions before pulling the trigger:
1- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
2- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
3- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
4- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
Thanks for helping me and apologies for making you fill out a survey like this
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1, not with mine in particular, dead pixels and a weak hinge would really piss me off though.
2. You know that is one thing I would have liked but not needed. I play emulators ALOT on my phone and it would have been very nice to be able to hook up two wii controllers and bust out some old snes games with my wife on the tv.
3. Extra bulk? You need to start lifting weights if its to heavy for you. Keys are very very nice as long as I cut my nails, I had nails that hadnt been cut for two weeks or so and it was annoying. Females probably wouldnt like it, maybe you just need to get used to it.
4. Bulky? Naw I love it, it just feel cheap and weak.

Well, I just sent mine back to Tmobile for a new one.
Hinge became looser over the few weeks of owning it.
Phone would reboot on it's own from time to time.
Force Closed on apps all the time.
Signal would come in and out.
Don't let what I said scare you. I'm sure I just got a really bad apple, err... phone. I love the phone very much, and hopefully the new one works better. It's a really fast little ****er, no lie!

It does what every phone does and it doesn't do what its not meant to do "drive your car? Hopefully in 5 more years" As 3g or hspa, its deffenitely faster than the iphone 4 or any 3g phone "I live next to philly so I get good service, and I home tested myself since you can't blv ppl this days cuz they lie too much". The weight is cute it makes you feel like you have a 550$ hardware. Only thing I don't like is the opening screen, I thought it should be more solid and have a bit more preassure in it. Overall, I personally like it more than vibrant, feels like a more androidish phone. Only thing I desire is to get my hands on some htc sence.
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This is my first smartphone, so I'm pretty excited about what it can do. Only thing I'd really change right now is the SMS notice. The LED flash needs to either be constant (my preference) or much more frequent than it's currently set now. I can't believe that slipped by in UI testing.

Hmm, thanks for the help so far, you guys are really helpful. I've been playing the waiting game with Android since it launched. So many features are always 'right around the corner' and should be implemented any minute now (higher resolutions as rumored in Gingerbread, Tegra 2/ARM9, Super AMOLED on non-Samsung devices,
BUT, hardware keyboards are way too rare nowadays and this keyboard seems to have been executed quite well. Again, rare.
It's very scary to import a device that could end up with a wobbly hinge or repeated resets... but honestly other than the weight and the rootkit, this phone is extremely appealing. Looks dead sexy too.

It is sexy as hell. With that said, I'm on my second because I wanted the better deal from Costco.....100 vs 200
My first one started rebooting on its own (at least it restarted-my captivate shut down and wouldn't turn back on automatically) and now this one has the screen flicker problem when the brightness is set to low. Ill exchange it.
Overall this phone is the best phone I've had since the iPhone was the latest greatest.
Shipping it in with no option to return would make me nervous.
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Hmm. Maybe I'll get the Desire Z instead. I'll give it a week or so to see if these have less problems.

- Are there any showstopping problems I should know about with this device?
Not any that I've noticed yet. Build quality throughout the initial release may be an issue- my first G2 had a cracked space bar, weak hinge, and after having the battery die in 6 hours, wouldn't charge or even turn on. The one I've got now? Perfect.
- Any features you felt disappointed not to have, such as HDMI?
Colored notification LED's (whether that's on the speaker or around the track pad), ability to root
- Overall, do you feel like the addition of the keyboard is worth it? Is the extra bulk (thickness, weight) a worthy tradeoff? Do the keys feel too cramped?
The keys most certainly don't feel cramped- it's a very, very spacious keyboard. I personally haven't used it very much, since I'm used to Swype, but the times I have used it (for typing URL's, long emails, or long texts) I've found it very comfortable and easy to use.
- Does the phone feel too heavy? Can you listen to music while jogging without it feeling way too bulky?
No way, I absolutely love the weight of this phone. It feels expensive, if you know what I mean. If you can find a phone with a strong hinge, the build quality feels absolutely fantastic. I don't job, so I can't tell you if it's good for that, but I can't imagine it would be very good for jogging without securing it to yourself in some way.
Hope this helps! This is the first phone that I've bought and truly been completely satisfied with out of the box. Aside from the rooting issues, this phone is perfect.

I absolutely love it! The thinkg flies! My only issues are no wifi hotspot yet and a few radio issues. These two things will be addressed in an ota update so I'm not too worried about it.

I'm really really loving mine. Had the G1 first, then the N1. Haven't had any of the hinge problems or random reboots. Screen is sharp, phone is super snappy (more so then the N1) and feels/looks like an expensive, proper business phone.
The keyboard is nice and got tons of really positive reviews. I personally liked the G1 keyboard better because it had dedicated number keys and overall seemed faster to type on.
As for negatives, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the crappy loudspeaker yet. I'd google some reviews of the speaker first if that factor is important to you.
Overall its a great device and I am very satisfied with it. Having said that I also didn't have any of the problems other users complained about. If you get one that works like mine I think you'd fall equally in love with it.
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I just recently got the G2 about two days ago and I love it! I previously had the Blackberry Pearl for a few years and thought it was time for an upgrade. This is my first Android phone and so far, it's wonderful. I don't have the loose hinge issue or any other visible problems.
Just still getting used to it, looking for the good apps that'll tickle my funny bone, and reading more on "rooting" and the like. I'm enjoying my experience.
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The Good:
-Speedy, apps launch quickly and the phone is very smooth
-Great size, form factor
-Decent screen and brightness
-GOOD keyboard
-Battery life was impressive
The Bad:
-All three I had (yes, I ended up taking the last one back too) did the reboots in low service areas
-On my morning drive, my HD2 never drops my call. The G2 would drop in 3 places every day
-The hinge was very poorly done, and as someone who started the HTC keyboard phones with the Tytn-II, Touch Pro, and Touch Pro 2, I know they can get it right. This was just a stupid, stupid design.
-No 4gb of storage
-What the hell is with the trackpad? Can we just ditch it and save a bit of space?
I could have looked past the hinge issue, but the obvious radio issues combined with the DRM like protection of the ROM, I decided that TMOUS and HTC could shove it with this phone.

Getting my G2 tomorrow! Very excited!

It finally will arrive from the buyer. Can't wait to root it and get some more CM6 action. Also can't wait to get my Nexus on eBay.
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Grats!
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Congrats pal.

So are you selling nexus s or one on ebay to get g2?. If yes, why? I have nexus s and thinking about exchanging it for g2.
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nohcho said:
So are you selling nexus s or one on ebay to get g2?. If yes, why? I have nexus s and thinking about exchanging it for g2.
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That's exactly what I'm doing. Here's why (pros = +, cons = -):
Nexus S: (can sell for $650)
+beautiful SAMOLED screen
+instant updates from Google
+very light and sexy
-all-plastic housing is a fingerprint and scratch magnet
-no notification LED
-it's a Samsung
G2: (bought for $400)
+hardware keyboard
+matte finish is not a fingerprint magnet
+notification and charging LEDs
+SLCD is also beautiful, albeit less saturated
+HTC quality
-smaller screen
-heavier and larger
-non-Google updates (but I use CM)
Since they're both fairly equal on the specs level (minus the above nit-picks), I'd rather have the extra $250 and the G2's quirks over the Nexus's quirks. I'm also expecting a lot of "next-gen" Android devices to be unveiled at CES, so I'm probably only going to have this phone for 4-6 months anyways. The Nexus is just a little too pricey for something that isn't far enough beyond the G2; they're both essentially in the same hardware "generation."

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That's exactly what I'm doing. Here's why (pros = +, cons = -):
Nexus S: (can sell for $650)
+beautiful SAMOLED screen
+instant updates from Google
+very light and sexy
-all-plastic housing is a fingerprint and scratch magnet
-no notification LED
-it's a Samsung
G2: (bought for $400)
+hardware keyboard
+matte finish is not a fingerprint magnet
+notification and charging LEDs
+SLCD is also beautiful, albeit less saturated
+HTC quality
-smaller screen
-heavier and larger
-non-Google updates (but I use CM)
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I can't possibly agree with all your + and - points....
AMOLED is WAY oversaturated. Nice in theory, but doesn't actually look right. It is quite a ways from being on par with SLCD for image quality.
On the VISION, the smaller screen is a ***PLUS***. I actually find the Vision's screen to still be too big. The DREAM's touch screen was a good size. I would never own a phone with a 4+ as it just gets to be too much stretching for 1-handed operation.
Also, being heavier and larger is also a POSITIVE. As an example, try to see how long a ford focus will last out on a battlefield against tanks and machine guns. A phone has to be sturdy and have a substantial mass to it because it IS used in a hostile environment -- temperature changes, water, being dropped, etc. It is also easier to hold when it has some weight. The tiny and low weight junkies are seriously confused people. Its not as if the thing is as big as a cell phone from the 80's.

dhkr123 said:
I can't possibly agree with all your + and - points....
AMOLED is WAY oversaturated. Nice in theory, but doesn't actually look right. It is quite a ways from being on par with SLCD for image quality.
On the VISION, the smaller screen is a ***PLUS***. I actually find the Vision's screen to still be too big. The DREAM's touch screen was a good size. I would never own a phone with a 4+ as it just gets to be too much stretching for 1-handed operation.
Also, being heavier and larger is also a POSITIVE. As an example, try to see how long a ford focus will last out on a battlefield against tanks and machine guns. A phone has to be sturdy and have a substantial mass to it because it IS used in a hostile environment -- temperature changes, water, being dropped, etc. It is also easier to hold when it has some weight. The tiny and low weight junkies are seriously confused people. Its not as if the thing is as big as a cell phone from the 80's.
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Relax. They were my own opinions.
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TheBiles said:
Relax. They were my own opinions.
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I am relaxed. I'm just helping to improve your perspective on the device you have chosen to own. I.e., you should feel even better! What you've chosen is, by FAR, the best phone out there.

Yep got mine last week, awesome phone..running gingerbread rom nicely
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I'm still using CM6.1.1 until we get an official CM7 RC. I just love my CM extras too much.
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I won't be touching CM7 on Vision until I know that it can be trusted. Phone has to actually work. Experimental stuff to happen on the Dream.

I finally took the plunge and I have ordered a Desire Z to arrive tomorrow. I almost bit the bullet and bought it at launch but during the delays in Europe, I read so much about the hinge issue and chickened out.
My Touch Pro 2 has developed the dreaded newton rings for the second time in 6months and I have sent it away to be repaired on warranty. I will sell it when it returns.
This situation forced me into buying a new phone and I looked at the Desire Z (again), Nexus S and Desire HD. I just couldnt bring myself to accept the size of the DHD. I have used phones with keyboards for the past 3 years and I dont think I can live without a keyboard. I went to Bestbuy on a few occassions to try out the touchscreen keyboard on the NS but it just didnt feel rght. I know how frustrated I got when I tried to type simple mesages on the screen of my TP2.
I decided on getting the DZ since the hinge 'problem' only surfaces when the phone is held in a ridiculous way you probably will never hold it in most real world situations. Anyway I bought it online so I have 7 days to return it if the hinge seems to be a really big problem.

TheBiles said:
That's exactly what I'm doing. Here's why (pros = +, cons = -):
Nexus S: (can sell for $650)
+beautiful SAMOLED screen
+instant updates from Google
+very light and sexy
-all-plastic housing is a fingerprint and scratch magnet
-no notification LED
-it's a Samsung
G2: (bought for $400)
+hardware keyboard
+matte finish is not a fingerprint magnet
+notification and charging LEDs
+SLCD is also beautiful, albeit less saturated
+HTC quality
-smaller screen
-heavier and larger
-non-Google updates (but I use CM)
Since they're both fairly equal on the specs level (minus the above nit-picks), I'd rather have the extra $250 and the G2's quirks over the Nexus's quirks. I'm also expecting a lot of "next-gen" Android devices to be unveiled at CES, so I'm probably only going to have this phone for 4-6 months anyways. The Nexus is just a little too pricey for something that isn't far enough beyond the G2; they're both essentially in the same hardware "generation."
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This is one of the clearest break downs I've seen for choosing a G2. These are some of the reason I chose the G2. Plus I really feel like both the Nexus S and Gingerbread were a rush job for the Christmas dough.
That said, I almost got the Nexus S just for the resale value. Because, come april-may 2011 the G2 probably won't fetch more than $175-200 tops.
Oh well I saved money on this end.

lombardo8 said:
I have used phones with keyboards for the past 3 years and I dont think I can live without a keyboard. I went to Bestbuy on a few occassions to try out the touchscreen keyboard on the NS but it just didnt feel rght. I know how frustrated I got when I tried to type simple mesages on the screen of my TP2.
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I can't stand "traditional" touchscreen keyboards either, but Swype works really well. I am finding myself surprised at how often I use Swype instead of the hardware keyboard on my Vision. I still use the hardware keyboard for longer messages. But for my next phone, I may seriously consider a phone without a keyboard.

redpoint73 said:
I can't stand "traditional" touchscreen keyboards either, but Swype works really well. I am finding myself surprised at how often I use Swype instead of the hardware keyboard on my Vision. I still use the hardware keyboard for longer messages. But for my next phone, I may seriously consider a phone without a keyboard.
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That has to be a matter of personal preference. Swype, to me, was absolute garbage, so I deleted it.

dhkr123 said:
That has to be a matter of personal preference. Swype, to me, was absolute garbage, so I deleted it.
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Personal preference? Absolutely. But I'm surprised you would go so far as to call Swype "absolute garbage". What about it didn't you like? As a "regular" touchscreen keyboard, its seems just about as good as any other. As far as 'swiping' words, I find it very good at predicting the word I intended, even when I often know for fact that I didn't hit the letters exactly right.

redpoint73 said:
Personal preference? Absolutely. But I'm surprised you would go so far as to call Swype "absolute garbage". What about it didn't you like? As a "regular" touchscreen keyboard, its seems just about as good as any other. As far as 'swiping' words, I find it very good at predicting the word I intended, even when I often know for fact that I didn't hit the letters exactly right.
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Swype is the thing of gods. I couldn't use a software keyboard without it.

I tried Swpe on a colleagues Galaxy S and was very impressed. I could get used to using Swype but the problem is I type mainly in slang and a kind of english (african patois) which means I woud have to use the Swype keyboard like an ordinary keyboard most times.

lombardo8 said:
I tried Swpe on a colleagues Galaxy S and was very impressed. I could get used to using Swype but the problem is I type mainly in slang and a kind of english (african patois) which means I woud have to use the Swype keyboard like an ordinary keyboard most times.
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After you type the word once it will learn it.

What a phone! So so beautiful! That hinge is not an issue. Under no circumstances would I hold my phone the way that we see in all them videos on the internet.
ALK say on their website that u cant transfer copilot live 8 from a windows mobile to an android phone but its a big lie!. it was the first thing i installed and it works a treat. I have also downloaded angry birds, I know everyones going crazy about that so I thought i would join in. I am going to try and install Swype in a minute. I have only had the phone about 45 minutes and I am completely blown away. I was actually able to watch hustle on BBC iPlayer in my browser. Phone technolgy has grown in leaps and bounds since I bought my TP2.
Thank goodness I didnt allow those videos about the hinge put me off from buying this truly wonderful phone.

Nexus One or G2 --- Worth it?

Currently using a Nexus One, actually have 2 of them. Have the opportunity to make a straight trade for a G2 for one of my N1's.
Other than the keyboard and "4G" connection, is there anything that really is different about these hardware wise?
I know the N1 will get updates faster, but with the use of custom roms this does not affect me. Also, dont have much use for a keyboard, so would this even be a beneficial trade in anyway?
Guess i am just a little confused, any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

G2 is pretty much better in every way except the screen. I have both.

I had a Nexus One and then got a G2 in a BOGO offer at T-Mo. I find myself using the Nexus more. The G2 has some weird issues, like updates to Google Apps that are pre-installed causing force closes (Google Earth, for one, and I can't install the new version of Maps because it constantly runs and shows up as 80% on battery usage when I check to see why it's draining). I also hate how bulky/heavy it is (and it's more annoying since I don't use the keyboard). I have small hands so I find it more comfortable to hold my Nexus. If you use a case (which I need, I tend to drop phones) the phone doesn't stay fully closed due to how the cases snap on.
I guess it depends on your usage. Since you'll be keeping a Nexus, then maybe it'll be fine. If you won't miss the second Nexus, then go for it.

Thanks for the input so far.
I think one of the unknown factors that i am trying to decide is....will the N1 get updates as long as the G2 will? I know the N1 is a developers phone, but with the NS coming out, do any of you think the N1 will stop getting updates although the hardware may very well still support it? With the G2 being 6-8 months newer, will it get updates longer in the future than the N1?
I know we really dont know the answer to this, but it would be interesting to see what you guys think.

Also keep in mind that the G2 is SIGNIFICANTLY heavier than the nexus one. i think it's almost a half-again heavier and that can be a big deal.

If you are going to have a N1 extra I say do it! I have a N1 and have used a G2 before. I hate keyboards built into a phone but that is just my preference. I would not worry about the N1 loosing support because of the NS the N1 I think will always be supported and updated if not always at least until the N1 can not handle newer Android OS. Only then will I upgrade to what ever Nexus is available at that time.
Trade and if you hate it find someone who will trade you for a NS or a N1 again!!

In contrast to Carlos' opinion, I would actually say the screen is BETTER than our N1s. My gf has a G2 and its screen is much sharper than mine. If you're into gaming, I'm guessing the multitouch would be better too. On the downside, it's bulkier because of the unnecessary keyboard.

uansari1 said:
In contrast to Carlos' opinion, I would actually say the screen is BETTER than our N1s. My gf has a G2 and its screen is much sharper than mine. If you're into gaming, I'm guessing the multitouch would be better too. On the downside, it's bulkier because of the unnecessary keyboard.
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I think the keyboard is what really makes it the G1's successor.. people were waiting for that.

this is a tough decision. i love the G2 because it's build quality and materials are just like the nexus one, which i love. but i never use a physical keyboard, so that's wasted space to me. but the g2 has the better snapdragon CPU and better GPU, but the nexus one has a better form factor.
since you will still have a nexus one after the trade, go for the g2.

uansari1 said:
In contrast to Carlos' opinion, I would actually say the screen is BETTER than our N1s. My gf has a G2 and its screen is much sharper than mine. If you're into gaming, I'm guessing the multitouch would be better too. On the downside, it's bulkier because of the unnecessary keyboard.
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The screen is sharper because it is a SLCD like some of the newer N1's, but it uses a back light so the blacks aren't as deep as our AMOLED N1s. My Co-Worker has one and I like it.... but would I trade it for my N1... no.
The G2 is noticeably heavier and thicker. The optical sensor works and supposedly it has a "trackball light" notification around it but I haven't seen it in action. While I dislike keyboard phones, it is comparable to the Nexus. They truly look like brothers.
I don't know if a G2 could replace my Nexus, but if you have 2 N1's and looking for something different then it might be worth a trade.

You guys have been really helpful. Some really good points have been made about both the N1 and G2.
Now i gotta sleep on it and figure out what i decide to do. Will let you guys know!
Leaning towards keeping the second N1 right now....

The G2 is Free on T-Mobile right now if that helps your decision.

yes free G2 and call 611 and say cancel and if you have been a long time customer and paid your bills on time you can ask for the $20 data plan.

I have both phones and I'm thinking about going back to my Nexus one. Few bugs with the G2 have been bothering me. GPS takes awhile to start up and some map issues, which is a big deal for me.
Rooted, they both run very smoothly. I like the weight and the size of the N1 compared to the G2. Less obvious in the pocket and easier to slide out. [Rooting on the N1 was a cake walk compared to the numerous steps and complications with the G2.]
I only use the keyboard while driving (ya, I know it's a bad habit that I need to break) but I can feel that over long uses of the keyboard can lead to future problems more specifically in your thumbs. The hinge gets loose, I've dropped the phone a few times and the screen always snaps open.
What makes me want to use the N1 more is the trackball alerts. G2 is only limited to white and I get tired of checking to see if it's something important or if it's something I can ignore. Also the screen on the N1 seems to be better than the G2 along with the auto brightness sensor.
Girls seem to like playing with my N1 more... just saying

Same dilemma
Well I have the same question. First off, I appreciate this post in general, everyone definitely seems to have good input and good opinions that they back up well. I have kind of the same "issue" so to speak. I am getting a new G2 tomorrow, but I know someone who is willing to give me 100 dollars plus a mint condition n1 for it, what do you guys think I should do? I'm just afraid that in terms of day-day function, the n1 will be slower. Any info is much appreciated!

I considered getting a G2 for a while as well. A few things turned me off:
1. The size of the thing compared to a N1 - this thing is a hefty brick!
2. "Pure" Google, not really...seeing how TMobile conveniently removed tethering, but this can be solved through root
3. The MMS bugs
4. The N1 Car/Home dock are just too slick to give up.

omgdwong said:
I have both phones and I'm thinking about going back to my Nexus one. Few bugs with the G2 have been bothering me. GPS takes awhile to start up and some map issues, which is a big deal for me.
Rooted, they both run very smoothly. I like the weight and the size of the N1 compared to the G2. Less obvious in the pocket and easier to slide out. [Rooting on the N1 was a cake walk compared to the numerous steps and complications with the G2.]
I only use the keyboard while driving (ya, I know it's a bad habit that I need to break) but I can feel that over long uses of the keyboard can lead to future problems more specifically in your thumbs. The hinge gets loose, I've dropped the phone a few times and the screen always snaps open.
What makes me want to use the N1 more is the trackball alerts. G2 is only limited to white and I get tired of checking to see if it's something important or if it's something I can ignore. Also the screen on the N1 seems to be better than the G2 along with the auto brightness sensor.
Girls seem to like playing with my N1 more... just saying
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yeah i just cant stress enough how excellent the color trackball is on the n1. having color blink in succession, so when i'm at work and i see it blink from red to green to blue to yellow to cyan, and instantly KNOW what each of my 5 messages are, is truly useful. its more useful then anyone without it could ever understand, and its highly under rated i think by many. it may sound cheesy to say "i like colors", but talk about functional and cool at the same time. the perfectly centered nipple just looks classy.