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[Q] The Tab and the future

Hey
First of i would like to say that i have been reading on xda since the old winmo days where i rooted and customized my phones. Now it is my time to write my first post here, which i have close to doing many times, im from Denmark by the way.
Not long ago i sold my beloved Htc hd2, which i had running Android, and i bought the Nokia N8 due since i am heavy on the music and photos. My plan was to get a 7 inch tablet with android for the rest of my needs, which the N8 could not for fill, and even though i had read some places that the tab was slower than one would expect i got myself a used one ( like new) for about half the retail prize.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
It is not slow in generel use, its proberly about what a galaxy s with stock would be, but in things such as the web browser, which should be essensial for a tablet, the galaxy tab really sucks, it is so bad that my nokia n8 with opera mobile nearly handles the web better, and thats really saying something! I tryed about all browsers in the android markedplace and ofcourse one can find a much better one than the stock ( of course you have to turn flash off, even through i think it is a shame)
I ended up using Opera Mobile since it is by far the fastest, it seems to me through that its not running the native res of the tab, could i be right?, is it true that some apps will show fullscreen without being the full res of the tab? i looked allover the web for days trying to get a grip of things without luck, really hope to get some answers
Now what would love to learn some more about would be the future prospects of the Galaxy tab, Is it in the hands of many developers?, will we see custom roms? (since i am not much for stock and touchwizz). Can we expect the Tab to be get much faster, should it not have the same or similar performances as the Nexus S or Galaxy S?
A final thing that i was wondering was about the res of the tabs screen. Is that whats coursing the troubles, the lagg? is that what makes it slow someplaces and makes the webbrowser work like a windows mobile 6.5 stock browser (or worse )
The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
Well thats it for me, really hope to get some answers since i know this is the best place to ask this sort of questions!

i'm on JM6 and somehow i still dont get what people say about silkky or buttery smooth >.<
mine is kinda laggy (still), and the stock browser gets laggy too when get scrolled up or down, i'm going back to miren browser
i do love putting widget though in my screen, but when i see homescreen post, some of them got a lot of widget too
wonder what's wrong with mine
already using launcher pro, better in term of scrolling than touchwiz with lots of pages (App Drawer)
but scrolling screen still gives me lag
quoting everybody else, after tegra 2 maybe there will be a tegra 3 or whatsoever so if you wait and wait, you'll wait for the rest of your life
i'm jumping on the wagon here, and i'm pretty satisfied actually, but since this is my 1st android phone, i have nothing to compare
gingerbread is definitely come to us , so i dont really care if the requirements need tegra 2
if my tab can handle it, so rock on, if it cant, then just wait for another device capable of gingerbread and sell this one
but since nexus S is using the same 1ghz and using gingerbread also, i dont think tegra 2 is necessary for it
maybe for honeycomb, we'll never know
keep crossing ur finger ^^

Thanks for your quick response. I hope your right with the requirements since it really makes sense that the nexus s would be apple to opgrade.
To me miren Browser is very laggy i really want to use it just don't run smoothly. Thinking about trying flashing one of the roms out there maybe I should wait for a official.

It's not the processor, it's the OS! and Gingerbread aint gonna fix it because it aint designed for tablets. Honeycombe is 'supposed' to be designed for use with tablets so you'll have to wait until 3Q 2011.
I don't know why people are surprised when they realise this as 'sticky', 'laggy', 'freezing' were words all mentioned in every review i've ever read about the tab.
Unless of course you only read Samsungs own review which would be slightly bias.

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The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
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I once had a Toshiba Folio 100 with a Tegra 2 processor (for 5 days ) and it was just as fast/slow as the Tab. Don't know if Gingerbread is going to make the nvidea processor perform a lot better. As far as I know it is a driver thing.
Except for the browser, I think the Tab is fast enough for me.

This performance thing is relative. For example simon2901 you said htc hd2 has better android performance. I have both tab and hd2 now, nearly tried every android build for hd2 but cant find anything that has the performance that makes me feel really usable. But you think the opposite and this shows how relative this thing can be.
I flashed my tab to jm6 as Justin^Tan and i am agree with him. People say it is silky or very smooth but i all can say is it is smoother then my stock rom. Another proof of how this can be relative.
And i agree with appleflap except browser tab is enough for me too. Browser is enough in most cases for me too but when i browse a fully loaded page with flash it really is a pain.
As from the Gingerbread i only expect is make power drain of some apps more reasonable.

It's the OS... I come from an OS for which bloggers like to make fun (WM 6.5.5), however the custom ROMs for my TP2 were in the end quite fast. And I feel like I had more functionalities
This has nothing to do with Samsung's hardware. The Hummingbird is actually as (more) powerful as what you find in the iPad (And we have more memory with our Tab)
If I were you I would not expect too much from Gingerbread. Doesn't look like much more than a minor upgrade with a few tweaks. Quite different from the move from 2.1 to 2.2 let's put our hope sin Honeycombs...
It's kind of normal, it's a young OS and to be honest it's impressive to see the work that has been accomplished since the first versions of android. Given its quick growth we can hope to see more and more good apps and hopefully improved support for custom ROMs. That said teh Tab doesnt seem so popular among modders and chefs (maybe because of the price ? Or just because Clockwork seems more difficult to develop ?) so I ma not sure we can hope that much for the future for us

Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.

Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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simon2901 said:
Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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JM6 is a Euro firmware that's been posted in the dev section here. I'm not sure it improves performance compared to stock, but then I flashed this pretty much the same day as I got the Tab so can't really compare . I believe it has some performance improvements with the stock browser, but I prefer Miren anyway. I really don't see any lagging with Miren, or at least none that I can't attribute to poor wifi connections etc. It's certainly way slicker than the stock browser. The pinch to zoom font rendering on stock is appalling whereas on Miren it preserves quality. Not tried Opera on the Tab though I hear it's fast...
Have you tried using a different launcher than stock Touchwiz? Launcher Pro or ADW should both give you improvements in performance.

That so many people's first experiences with it are probably as a demo unit, I can see why they say it doesn't feel as smooth as an iPad.
Aye, you can swap launchers and tweak settings.
But most stores have them running loaded up with widgets, running some livewallpaper, and touchwiz. It IS jerky. Or rather, not as smooth as the iPad.
Ok, so the job still gets done, and as a techy myself, I'm happy with what's doable, but that perception amongst most users is that it's not as smooth as it could be seems to be an obvious win if they can sort it out.
Even on the Tab, bringing the Notifiction bar down; sure it's fast enough, but it doesn't animate as it scrolls down (though if it did, personally I'd want an option to turn that off so it insta dropped!).
That all the hardware coming out now has pretty decent openGL support now, I can see that'll be the main thing in future UI improvements, moving more of it to hardware acceleration. I get a feeling that it's all being done in software.
It can only get better from here. A bit of polish on the first thing most users will see will be hugely beneficial later.

I find almost all of the above judgements entirely false. The OS workd perfectlyt for me without any lag or any kind of lag fixes. Im on JK5.
All it takes is a few shrewd decisions on the software that you use with the OS. My browser doesnt lag - I use the Fennec nighly builds which are silky smooth with opengl rendering and without.
I have removed bloatware and services that clog up the purity of googles stock 2.2.
I do use a task manager to kill certain services on a selewctive basis.
I get 2 days light use out of it, which is just fine!
And there is never any lag anywhere.

Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
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This is acceptable.
There, I said it. I find it to be perfectly smooth, not sure why you're having a problem with it.
Use DolphinHD as the browser as it offers far more functionality than the default, and use ADW or LauncherPro as the homescreen as they both offer more functionality and better performance than the default.
As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
I always purchase hardware with what CAN be done with it in mind, not what MIGHT be done to it in the future. Hoping for upgrades is a waste of energy, if you don't like the hardware in its initial state, or a state that you can transform it to straight away (rooting it, flashing already available ROMs etc) then don't purchase it, simple as that.

knightnz said:
As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
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Well, by the time the Galaxy Tab 2 comes out, I would think Samsung would stop officially selling the Galaxy Tab 1 so it wouldn't matter if the Tab1 had Honeycomb or not. Its' not like it would be cutting into Galaxy Tab 2 sales.

well im glad some have good experiences with the web and smoothness of the device, i think i forgot to say that i am currenty on stock rom as i bought it, i read that there is some good performance improvements in the leaked firmware updates, still i would wait rooting, doing all that stuff untill things settle down a bit, it all seems confusing to me atm ( maybe it just is more complicated compared to winmo, htc hd2).
Well reading about the newer firmware out there got me in a better mood, knowing that samsung knows that things are not right yet is very comforting, i mean, i would assume all tabs sold in Denmark have the same firmware as mine, and that means bad performance compared to even the galaxy s, that is not acceptable, not at all.
Saying that this is a phone os and so on and therefore things dont run as expected. is neither acceptable since it should not run worse on a bigger device, i mean android do not discriminate? I am not looking for Ipad performance, since i got one in the household, and i still prefer using the tab, even though browsing is better on Safari (Flash dont work properly atm, rather just use the new youtubeclient, which i enjoy except the quality should be higher( proberly will be in time)
It is great to read your comments, gotta love xda

even if they stop selling galaxy tab 1, if they did release honeycomb into tab 1, people would hold onto their tab 1 if there's no significant upgrade on hardware
but if they dare only giving honeycomb onto tab 2, some people would definitely jump onto tab 2 for sure

It is never ending search for perfection that does not exist.
Something will come tomorrow with better CPU/GPU/screen.....
My experience is good enough. I turned of animation - major cause of lags, left one widget. Everything works just fine for my taste.

Hmm well is that fine Having to turn of animations and not use widgets? i just hope we will see custom roms with newer versions. What firmware v. are you using?
I'm really thinking about trying newer builds
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I still don't get the "lag"that everyone is noticing.I'm using dolphin HD and it's perfectly smooth for me. I did root and lagfix, not sure if that is the difference.

paulshields said:
Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
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Cool good to know about the perf improvement
Sad to see the ipad is still "the" reference

Atrix.....super fast but super slow 2D performance.

I know im going to get flamed, however I don't understand how we could have such a powerful phone with the slowest 2D and sub-par performance 3D (unless its a TegraZone game)? Yes the phone is super fast, but it has a superior GPU that can't even to 2D well. NVIDIA has said that the low benchmarks are do to the benchmarking software not taking advantage of the tegra's 3D capabilities. Yet they are all based on OpenGL ES. Which is a standard that any GPU made for android should support fully. 2D should have been mastered way before 3D was. Also, to say its the resolution being so high, again this GPU (not quite as powerful as its desktop version) was powering way higher resolutions than that of the Atrix. Also, let's not forget where NVIDIA started, they pretty much made OpenGL what it is today.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. I have the Atrix and love the speed. I just can't get past the fact that my single core captivate with its PowerVR 540 has better performance in 2D and 3D out-of-the-box. Fluid motion across the entire phone.
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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.

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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.
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I hope so. Just hope Motorola provides us with an ice-cream sandwich.
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Can we see these benchmarks? If you test the phone on smartbench (which uses opengl graphics) the ATRIX scores higher than the sgs2... so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you one of those people that still believes the PowerVR 540 does 90m polygons/s???
I don't see any slow down in any game, 3d or 2d and that's pushing way more pixels.

Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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i got this phone with the full understanding that the software was not optimized for dual core cpus. im expecting it to get better. (from looking at honeycomb the future is bright)

Android Software can take advantage of both processing cores, its a matter of if the application supports it.

Viamonte said:
Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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Are you on 2.3.4?
Also, web browser lag is a software issue. Download dolphin web browser. Theres no lag there.

Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.

Viamonte said:
Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.
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I gotta agree the stock 2.2.2 sucks. I also believed (kinda) the phone was subpar for what it was marketed for.
A week ago, however, flashed 2.3.4 (When Int'l users got some serious love), and coupled with the newest Edgan kernel and Go Launcher Ex, I can tell you the difference is huge.
Maybe you could try that? I apologize beforehand if you already did, but couldn't tell.

Yes it becomes much, much speedier (I did those exact configs, golauncher ex, 2.3.4., OC kernel) but also much buggier. Battery life went to hell, it heated up constantly, and my phone would wake sometimes not recognizing my SIM card and screwing up my widgets.
I took off the OC kernel and left with stock 2.3.4, its still much faster than froyo, and it's, sadly, still behind the SGS2, for example. My comparison with the Galaxy is that it's the only other dual core superphone on Brazil for now.
Given, I didnt notice the difference until I personally compared the two, so i suggest this as a free-time enlightening endeavor to all Atrix owners. A bit depressing tough, but hey, out phone has a fingerprint sensor, the lapdock, and a much greater pixel density (which makes a hell of a lot of difference too, trust me).

If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.

The other phone is always better..... until you actually buy it. Then there's always gonna be a better phone just around the corner.
You can do one of two things
1) return/ sell your Atrix and get the GS2 or 2) stick with the Atrix and stop obsessing over lame benchmark scores. The Atrix is still one of the fastest Android phones on the market.

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If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.
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For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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Viamonte said:
For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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Ok then, I'm on GB as well. I get 3600 productivity and 2800 gaming on smartbench. I get ~24 hours of battery life (in use). The phone is never hot like it used to get on froyo.
I'm using edgans international kernel on 2.3.4 OrangeFR.
If you don't spend time on your phone, it will have issues. If you search around and are smart, you can run a flawless 2.3.4 atrix that beats GS2 in gaming, and almost matches it in productivity.
Its buttery smooth.

My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...

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My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...
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The productivity benchmark portion of smartbench. Check it out.
I have absolutely no stutter in my dolphin web browser. I'm on the desktop version of youtube right now. Since you have a GS2 in your hands. Take a video comparing them. Make sure you install a fresh copy of cherryblur, redpill, or ninjarom before you compare. Kenn's beta and the OTA are a little buggy and bloated. There's no way that the atrix stutters. If it does, return yours. Mine doesn't.
Its a well known fact that game is gimmicky. Try out backbreaker THD, Riptide, pinball THD, samurai 2 vengeance, guerrilla bob, reckless racing.

Guys, SGS2 has a hardware-accelerated browser! It is bound to be smoother and faster than what we have on Atrix!

Yes my galaxy tab has the same graphics accelerated browser. Its ipad fast lol. Switch to dolphin and its slow again. Samsung are definitely baking gpu acceleration into stock browsers
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Tab 10.1 is just another lame tablet...

Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.

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Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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Ehh. I have some dis likes but i still pick it up everday. I cant say the same for my ipad 1 i sold a few months back

I agree 110% about the software, hardware is nice though.
I think its completely ridiculous that google and devs cant make all simple menus scroll smoothly. Its one of the pathetic aspects of honeycomb and android in general. The typing lag when using a web browser is completely unacceptable IMO, again they cant figure out how to input SIMPLE text onto a form without the tablet getting bogged down to the pint of serious lag JUST to type letters? Its mind bogglingly inexcusable. My home screens scroll pretty smoothly as long as I dont put any buggy widgets on.

In the same boat kinda. Love my SGS2, it's a freaking beast chipset and screen. The tab 10.1 on the other hand... is just another Tegra2 device and unfortunately Tegra2 sucks balls in phones and tablets. I'm not gonna go so far to blame the hardware for all the issues since iOS can be smooth on a single core (iPad 1) so google definitely has some fault here. Google had the chance to come as close as they could as a closed garden with their tablets since they all ran vanilla honeycomb and all ran the Tegra2 chipset but they still missed... so sad.
If the next quadcore tablets with ice cream sandwich aren't amazing (and smooth for once) I think they've lost the tablet war.
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Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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i am happy with mine go back and use the ipad or maybe playbook or touchpad

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i am happy with mine go back and use the ipad or maybe playbook or touchpad
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Love the tab, I don't see this lag, etc. IOS may be smooth, but so is the android app draw...which is pretty much what the homescreens are on the iPad. Yea honeycomb as a few bugs to iron out, but it is relatively young.

I read somewhere that the ipad2 has a better GPU, so the reason it's smoother is because of the hardware.

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I read somewhere that the ipad2 has a better GPU, so the reason it's smoother is because of the hardware.
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Wrong. Ipad 1 has a GPU 3 times slower than tegra 2 and it scrolls all menus liquid smoothly. It has nothing to do with the hardware to make simple scrolling smooth, the issue is with honeycomb and android in general.

I think is has to do with hardware acceleration. ios and WP7 both have hardware acceleration that's better than what we have. Does Android even have Hardware Acceleration?

BlueGoldAce said:
Love the tab, I don't see this lag, etc. IOS may be smooth, but so is the android app draw...which is pretty much what the homescreens are on the iPad. Yea honeycomb as a few bugs to iron out, but it is relatively young.
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Same here. I haven't experienced any lag when flipping between screens, app drawer, switching apps etc.
The only really glaring issues I've seen have been with the stock web browser and its problems with javascript heavy web pages and text fields. While Opera and Dolphin are good alternatives to use to avoid those problems I do like the stock browser the best.
After being on this forum for some time now, it seems like the majority of issues people have are either self inflicted, a case of not having/using the right app or from refusing to use a known work around.

I can say I have no issues with any of the screens lagging when I scroll through them. I find it is much smoother than any android phone I have used.
The problem is not the hardware and I dont think the software is that bad. It has ALOT of feature IOS does not have and WAY more capability.
I think the real problem is a lot of people are finding it hard to find uses for the tablet. There isnt a plethora of apps designed specifically for android like their is for ipad. Also I think a lot of people are finding that they spent $500 on something that their phones pretty much already do. So they try and justify their guilt in spending that money by coming up with ridiculous reasons "
why" the product sucks. i think alot of people got it on an impulse buy because it is the new shiny toy on the market.
I for one love my tablet. I use it all day at work and is perfect for travel. Im excited for the new update and all the new features that will come with it.

I agree that the Honeycomb is not perfect and it'll probably be another year before Android tables catch up to the iPad. However that said I like the tweaking that can be done on Honeycomb where iOS is just boring.

hoodoomagic said:
Same here. I haven't experienced any lag when flipping between screens, app drawer, switching apps etc.
The only really glaring issues I've seen have been with the stock web browser and its problems with javascript heavy web pages and text fields. While Opera and Dolphin are good alternatives to use to avoid those problems I do like the stock browser the best.
After being on this forum for some time now, it seems like the majority of issues people have are either self inflicted, a case of not having/using the right app or from refusing to use a known work around.
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Opera has made me so happy with this tabet. Buttery smooth. Also a huge fan of the SwiftKey split keyboard... IPad can't do that!

I have to admit this is googles fault for rushing honeycomb just to compete with the IPad. I'll be waiting for the ice cream sandwich update and hopefully that will unify the Android OS like google wants to do and fix some of their problems and get tablets fixed because my patience is running thin.

5thElement said:
Wrong. Ipad 1 has a GPU 3 times slower than tegra 2 and it scrolls all menus liquid smoothly. It has nothing to do with the hardware to make simple scrolling smooth, the issue is with honeycomb and android in general.
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My iPad 1, as much as I love it, isn't as smooth as my tab 10.1 in a lot of places.
ipatella said:
I think is has to do with hardware acceleration. ios and WP7 both have hardware acceleration that's better than what we have. Does Android even have Hardware Acceleration?
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We do, starting in honeycomb (or maybe partially in gingerbread).

kbeason said:
I read somewhere that the ipad2 has a better GPU, so the reason it's smoother is because of the hardware.
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Not true at all. Smoothness of iOS is a direct reflection of the closed locked down environment that is iOS. 'It just works' because the restrictions apple has placed on its operating system. Android on the other hand is open source and not locked down to this degree. Its a more powerful, flexible system which comes at a cost. That would be hardware. Android devices need better specs to maintain the smoothness of iOS. Both of these approaches have merit in their own right. For the record, I still think iOS is super boring.

foxfire235 said:
Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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I have owned and tested for the last 10 months these tablets: IPAD, IPAD2, Viewsonic, Motorola, Acer Iconia (nice) and since a week the Galaxy tab which I will keep. I installed the latest Bonsai ROM and I love it. Smooth, can overclock to 1.4GHz. Sure it lacks connectivity, but nothing is perfect. Honeycomb will become better. I rooted the IPAD2. What a joke: The unofficial apps are baby stuff. I paid for my Galaxy tab $393 and know at least there will be new roms in the future. IPAD2 $525 for a locked system, no thanks.
But it all comes down to personal preferences.

Not sure if
I'll get the galaxy tab but I consider it strongly.had the 7 inch galaxy tab and thought it was well build and the screen quality was very good. As I am in germany I can't test the build quality of the tab and if I read threads like this then I reconsider to buy this tab. Is it really that crappy the tab without comparison to the ipad 2.
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foxfire235 said:
Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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Same here.. I didnt bother trying to "fix" the tablet though. I just took it back after 3 days. The Honeycomb user experience is not ready for primetime.. too laggy and too buggy.

Nexus 4 Input Lag

Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.

You'll get a real answer when the phone comes out. Or check video reviews. We know as much as you do at this point.

Thanks for the answers enviii and ralexand!
The thing is, this input lag issue is very rarely adressed. It seems to me as if most poeple dont even notice it. It may be that im kinda picky there but its definitely a very important feature for me...

As the device has been released I would appreciate someone talking about the mentioned issue, who actually posseses the phone.

enviii said:
It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.
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lol... that's just not true. It helps viewing angles, but has absolutely no effect on responsiveness.

The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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gulbir101 said:
The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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Well for me the scale is definitely the iphone. (even still the 3G when scrolling homescreens) Also top notch Windows Phones offer very good responsiveness.

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.

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iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)

Also iOS is more optimized since its on for few devices.
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actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..

joedoe said:
I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.
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I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
tgtoys said:
iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)
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ferozfero said:
actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..
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Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know

schnip said:
I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know
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I have a Nexus S (awaiting a 16GB N4) and I can tell you that Jellybean offered a tremendous improvement in smoothness.
As for the lack of improvement with the S3 and Jelly Bean, do keep in mind that is not "stock" Jellybean, Samsung may have avoided using any of the "project butter" code for their own GPU rendering.. Only Nexus devices are guaranteed the advertised improvements listed by Google, once an OEM touches there's no guarantee.

Only the framerate is high. There is MASSIVE input lag of 100-200ms on every Android device. As evidenced in every video of the Nexus 4 the screen lags behind your finger by 1 inch or more when swiping. This makes it feel extremely sluggish and unresponsive in apps like Facebook and games like Canabalt are unplayable.

I noticed this too when I first started messing around with my N4.
A test I like to do is use the calculator, and see how many numbers I could hit before they would be highlighted (which I assume means the device starts registering the command). For some reason I was getting 2 (almost 3) punches before the device would see it. On my Wildfire S and my iPod Touch the input lag was never this bad.
Amazingly, I actually found a solution. I don't remember if I turned it on myself or if it came on by default, but my phone had the "Magnification gestures" on. You can find them in the "Accessibility" settings. I turned it off, and BAM! The input lag has practically disappeared. I don't know why it was doing that or how it's related, but this has effectively fixed it for me. There may still be a slight input lag, but it's small enough that I can ignore it. Before it was easily over 500 ms.
Hope this helps.

I've made sure that's off on every Android device I've tested. The input lag is still considerably worse than the iPhone.

Does the Galaxy Note 3 have S-lag standard?

As a big Samsung smartphone fan, I was hugely disappointed with the S4. Micro stutters and lag EVERYWHERE it drove me crazy.
I was really REALLY hoping the Note 3 with the S800 powerhouse will remedy the lag, according to the many videos so far of the device it seems crazy but I can still see some micro stuttering going on. WTF Samsung!?
My Note 2 was literally lag and micro stutter free, is it too much to ask for your "Next big thing" to perform the same?
I have my fingers crossed that the final software will give a smooth buttery user experience, if not I'm jumping ship for reals.. you know what they say, fool me twice......

I am hoping the 3GB of RAM help this and eventually root happens so we can remove the bloat :fingers-crossed:
Oyeah my S4 is smooth as butter but it is running custom rom

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See no stutters and everyone Note 2 owner I speak to says the device performs excellent.
Are you speculating it will be slow? what is the point of this thread?
"do you think it will be slow?" - you wont know until you own the device for a few days if it will fit YOUR expectations.

deathshead said:
Are you speculating it will be slow? what is the point of this thread?
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It's a good question actually. The SGS4 lagged with its initial release s/w. From what I've heard its improved over time but still has some lag in certain areas. The SGS4 (and now the N3) have new sensors tied to new functionality that requires the phone to always be anticipating an action. Like someone said above, 3GB of RAM should help with the additional workload. That and Samsung's had some time to refine the s/w that was first launched in April. The SGS3 had issues that were fixed in the N2 so I'd expect/hope history repeats itself.

deathshead said:
See no stutters and everyone Note 2 owner I speak to says the device performs excellent.
Are you speculating it will be slow? what is the point of this thread?
"do you think it will be slow?" - you wont know until you own the device for a few days if it will fit YOUR expectations.
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It was excellent, yes. It got even better when I loaded a debloated ROM on it. Only reason I didn't leave TW altogether was I needed wi-fi calling. AOSP was by far the smoothest ROM. Ideally for those of us who don't need or want S-bloat they'd release a non Spen Note 3 equivalent GP Edition.

Running Miui on the s4 completely removes the lag. Hoping the note3 will also get Miui like the note 2 did. Touchwiz will always lag imo.
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Dan37tz said:
As a big Samsung smartphone fan, I was hugely disappointed with the S4. Micro stutters and lag EVERYWHERE it drove me crazy.
I was really REALLY hoping the Note 3 with the S800 powerhouse will remedy the lag, according to the many videos so far of the device it seems crazy but I can still see some micro stuttering going on. WTF Samsung!?
My Note 2 was literally lag and micro stutter free, is it too much to ask for your "Next big thing" to perform the same?
I have my fingers crossed that the final software will give a smooth buttery user experience, if not I'm jumping ship for reals.. you know what they say, fool me twice......
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I've just bought the Note 3, and there's plenty of s-lag. I'm very disappointed with the device and want to swap it for the Blackberry Z30.

scott.deagan said:
I've just bought the Note 3, and there's plenty of s-lag. I'm very disappointed with the device and want to swap it for the Blackberry Z30.
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Yeah, this post makes sense... When I experience lag, I too complain in forums and jump ship to blackberry.
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scott.deagan said:
I've just bought the Note 3, and there's plenty of s-lag. I'm very disappointed with the device and want to swap it for the Blackberry Z30.
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Enjoy Blackberry...:laugh:

Dan37tz said:
As a big Samsung smartphone fan, I was hugely disappointed with the S4. Micro stutters and lag EVERYWHERE it drove me crazy.
I was really REALLY hoping the Note 3 with the S800 powerhouse will remedy the lag, according to the many videos so far of the device it seems crazy but I can still see some micro stuttering going on. WTF Samsung!?
My Note 2 was literally lag and micro stutter free, is it too much to ask for your "Next big thing" to perform the same?
I have my fingers crossed that the final software will give a smooth buttery user experience, if not I'm jumping ship for reals.. you know what they say, fool me twice......
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That's why I went getting a Galaxy Note 1 in my hand now when waiting for my GN3.
In this kind of " training", I am sure that I will be very satisfied with the speed of GN3..........GN1 is just soooooooooooooooo lag. Freeze itself once or twice a day....

The stutter is still there when scrolling
Dan37tz said:
As a big Samsung smartphone fan, I was hugely disappointed with the S4. Micro stutters and lag EVERYWHERE it drove me crazy.
I was really REALLY hoping the Note 3 with the S800 powerhouse will remedy the lag, according to the many videos so far of the device it seems crazy but I can still see some micro stuttering going on. WTF Samsung!?
My Note 2 was literally lag and micro stutter free, is it too much to ask for your "Next big thing" to perform the same?
I have my fingers crossed that the final software will give a smooth buttery user experience, if not I'm jumping ship for reals.. you know what they say, fool me twice......
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The micro stutter is still there. For me, it's very annoying because the browser suffers from it (and I spend a lot of time in the browser). I've tried both Chrome and the ASAP browsers. The latter is slightly better, but it's still there and still very annoying. I understand it's subjective and does not bother everyone the same way, but for me it completely destroys the user experience.
Here's one way to see the stutter:
1. Open theverge.com in desktop mode.
2. Hover the s-pen at the bottom of the page (results in page slowly scrolling down).
3. Observe stutters (occurs intermittently, usually when scrolling sections in the page that contain images).
4. Do the same thing to scroll up once you've reached the bottom (I.e. hover the s-pen at the top of the page to scroll slowly upwards).
5. Observe the intermittent stutters.
Very bad user experience. Inexcusable considering the hardware. I for one am very disappointed.

scott.deagan said:
The micro stutter is still there. For me, it's very annoying because the browser suffers from it (and I spend a lot of time in the browser). I've tried both Chrome and the ASAP browsers. The latter is slightly better, but it's still there and still very annoying. I understand it's subjective and does not bother everyone the same way, but for me it completely destroys the user experience.
Here's one way to see the stutter:
1. Open theverge.com in desktop mode.
2. Hover the s-pen at the bottom of the page (results in page slowly scrolling down).
3. Observe stutters (occurs intermittently, usually when scrolling sections in the page that contain images).
4. Do the same thing to scroll up once you've reached the bottom (I.e. hover the s-pen at the top of the page to scroll slowly upwards).
5. Observe the intermittent stutters.
Very bad user experience. Inexcusable considering the hardware. I for one am very disappointed.
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My friend u need an iPhone.you will fit right in with rest of ur Hurd.
Even top of line PC sometime struggles on buggy websites.my PC sometime crashes on xda websites because of all these stupid ads.

mintu123 said:
My friend u need an iPhone.you will fit right in with rest of ur Hurd.
Even top of line PC sometime struggles on buggy websites.my PC sometime crashes on xda websites because of all these stupid ads.
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You recommend him get an iPhone because?.. Oh that's right it doesn't lag even with buggy websites. Sammy needs to work out some kinks with their over bloated touchwiz nonsense. I was going to give the note 3 a go. Then I heard people complaining of lag similar to the s4 (which I returned because of lag) now I've decided against buying one. I wanted that big 1080p screen so bad but I just can't deal with constant stuttering and frame lag, it drives me nuts.
I myself will be sticking to my newly purchased Gold 5s and the Nexus 5 running stock KitKat when its released.

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scott.deagan said:
The micro stutter is still there. For me, it's very annoying because the browser suffers from it (and I spend a lot of time in the browser). I've tried both Chrome and the ASAP browsers. The latter is slightly better, but it's still there and still very annoying. I understand it's subjective and does not bother everyone the same way, but for me it completely destroys the user experience.
Here's one way to see the stutter:
1. Open theverge.com in desktop mode.
2. Hover the s-pen at the bottom of the page (results in page slowly scrolling down).
3. Observe stutters (occurs intermittently, usually when scrolling sections in the page that contain images).
4. Do the same thing to scroll up once you've reached the bottom (I.e. hover the s-pen at the top of the page to scroll slowly upwards).
5. Observe the intermittent stutters.
Very bad user experience. Inexcusable considering the hardware. I for one am very disappointed.
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Don't use theverge.com for testing, their frontend code is terribly slow.

scott.deagan said:
The micro stutter is still there. For me, it's very annoying because the browser suffers from it (and I spend a lot of time in the browser). I've tried both Chrome and the ASAP browsers. The latter is slightly better, but it's still there and still very annoying. I understand it's subjective and does not bother everyone the same way, but for me it completely destroys the user experience.
Here's one way to see the stutter:
1. Open theverge.com in desktop mode.
2. Hover the s-pen at the bottom of the page (results in page slowly scrolling down).
3. Observe stutters (occurs intermittently, usually when scrolling sections in the page that contain images).
4. Do the same thing to scroll up once you've reached the bottom (I.e. hover the s-pen at the top of the page to scroll slowly upwards).
5. Observe the intermittent stutters.
Very bad user experience. Inexcusable considering the hardware. I for one am very disappointed.
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Do you have the exynos model? Because I just tried this in my note 3 S800 and didn't see any stutters. There was one micro stutter initially and then smooth sailing from there.
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MohJee said:
Do you have the exynos model? Because I just tried this in my note 3 S800 and didn't see any stutters. There was one micro stutter initially and then smooth sailing from there.
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Did any body 9005 user feel some dealy occessionaly while making screen off by power button. Occessionly so you have to check it many time. Reply will be hit by thank button.
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mwazeer said:
Did any body 9005 user feel some dealy occessionaly while making screen off by power button. Occessionly so you have to check it many time. Reply will be hit by thank button.
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Yes it happened to me but it was rare.
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I know a lot of people say don't use theverge.com to test the device... but what I found strange is:
The iPhone does not have ANY problems with that website, 4, 4S or 5.
The Galaxy S3 both the dual core US snap version and quad core international exynos versions, My Nexus 4 and Note 2, do not have any problems with theverge.com desktop or any other website.
The real kicker is this, my HTC One had ZERO issues with theverge.com, either in the stock browser or chrome. It flies through that website like butter. The S4 which has the same but "better binned" AB S600 chipset grinds to a halt with that website and other graphic intense websites, even XDA desktop will bring the S4 to it's knees sometimes. To level the playing field, I installed chrome on both my S4 and HTC One, theverge.com desktop version flies on the HTC but grinds to a halt on the S4 using the same chipset and same browser. So what's going on here??!
My recently acquired LG G2 is running an s800 and is an absolute monster when it comes to web browsing. Probably the fastest and smoothest web browsing I've ever encountered. I'm really hopeful that the N3 will at least be on par with it when it comes to a simple task like web browsing. Crossing my fingers, from what I've read so far I'm not holding my breath.