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First of i would like to say that i have been reading on xda since the old winmo days where i rooted and customized my phones. Now it is my time to write my first post here, which i have close to doing many times, im from Denmark by the way.
Not long ago i sold my beloved Htc hd2, which i had running Android, and i bought the Nokia N8 due since i am heavy on the music and photos. My plan was to get a 7 inch tablet with android for the rest of my needs, which the N8 could not for fill, and even though i had read some places that the tab was slower than one would expect i got myself a used one ( like new) for about half the retail prize.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
It is not slow in generel use, its proberly about what a galaxy s with stock would be, but in things such as the web browser, which should be essensial for a tablet, the galaxy tab really sucks, it is so bad that my nokia n8 with opera mobile nearly handles the web better, and thats really saying something! I tryed about all browsers in the android markedplace and ofcourse one can find a much better one than the stock ( of course you have to turn flash off, even through i think it is a shame)
I ended up using Opera Mobile since it is by far the fastest, it seems to me through that its not running the native res of the tab, could i be right?, is it true that some apps will show fullscreen without being the full res of the tab? i looked allover the web for days trying to get a grip of things without luck, really hope to get some answers
Now what would love to learn some more about would be the future prospects of the Galaxy tab, Is it in the hands of many developers?, will we see custom roms? (since i am not much for stock and touchwizz). Can we expect the Tab to be get much faster, should it not have the same or similar performances as the Nexus S or Galaxy S?
A final thing that i was wondering was about the res of the tabs screen. Is that whats coursing the troubles, the lagg? is that what makes it slow someplaces and makes the webbrowser work like a windows mobile 6.5 stock browser (or worse )
The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
Well thats it for me, really hope to get some answers since i know this is the best place to ask this sort of questions!
i'm on JM6 and somehow i still dont get what people say about silkky or buttery smooth >.<
mine is kinda laggy (still), and the stock browser gets laggy too when get scrolled up or down, i'm going back to miren browser
i do love putting widget though in my screen, but when i see homescreen post, some of them got a lot of widget too
wonder what's wrong with mine
already using launcher pro, better in term of scrolling than touchwiz with lots of pages (App Drawer)
but scrolling screen still gives me lag
quoting everybody else, after tegra 2 maybe there will be a tegra 3 or whatsoever so if you wait and wait, you'll wait for the rest of your life
i'm jumping on the wagon here, and i'm pretty satisfied actually, but since this is my 1st android phone, i have nothing to compare
gingerbread is definitely come to us , so i dont really care if the requirements need tegra 2
if my tab can handle it, so rock on, if it cant, then just wait for another device capable of gingerbread and sell this one
but since nexus S is using the same 1ghz and using gingerbread also, i dont think tegra 2 is necessary for it
maybe for honeycomb, we'll never know
keep crossing ur finger ^^
Thanks for your quick response. I hope your right with the requirements since it really makes sense that the nexus s would be apple to opgrade.
To me miren Browser is very laggy i really want to use it just don't run smoothly. Thinking about trying flashing one of the roms out there maybe I should wait for a official.
It's not the processor, it's the OS! and Gingerbread aint gonna fix it because it aint designed for tablets. Honeycombe is 'supposed' to be designed for use with tablets so you'll have to wait until 3Q 2011.
I don't know why people are surprised when they realise this as 'sticky', 'laggy', 'freezing' were words all mentioned in every review i've ever read about the tab.
Unless of course you only read Samsungs own review which would be slightly bias.
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The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
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I once had a Toshiba Folio 100 with a Tegra 2 processor (for 5 days ) and it was just as fast/slow as the Tab. Don't know if Gingerbread is going to make the nvidea processor perform a lot better. As far as I know it is a driver thing.
Except for the browser, I think the Tab is fast enough for me.
This performance thing is relative. For example simon2901 you said htc hd2 has better android performance. I have both tab and hd2 now, nearly tried every android build for hd2 but cant find anything that has the performance that makes me feel really usable. But you think the opposite and this shows how relative this thing can be.
I flashed my tab to jm6 as Justin^Tan and i am agree with him. People say it is silky or very smooth but i all can say is it is smoother then my stock rom. Another proof of how this can be relative.
And i agree with appleflap except browser tab is enough for me too. Browser is enough in most cases for me too but when i browse a fully loaded page with flash it really is a pain.
As from the Gingerbread i only expect is make power drain of some apps more reasonable.
It's the OS... I come from an OS for which bloggers like to make fun (WM 6.5.5), however the custom ROMs for my TP2 were in the end quite fast. And I feel like I had more functionalities
This has nothing to do with Samsung's hardware. The Hummingbird is actually as (more) powerful as what you find in the iPad (And we have more memory with our Tab)
If I were you I would not expect too much from Gingerbread. Doesn't look like much more than a minor upgrade with a few tweaks. Quite different from the move from 2.1 to 2.2 let's put our hope sin Honeycombs...
It's kind of normal, it's a young OS and to be honest it's impressive to see the work that has been accomplished since the first versions of android. Given its quick growth we can hope to see more and more good apps and hopefully improved support for custom ROMs. That said teh Tab doesnt seem so popular among modders and chefs (maybe because of the price ? Or just because Clockwork seems more difficult to develop ?) so I ma not sure we can hope that much for the future for us
Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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JM6 is a Euro firmware that's been posted in the dev section here. I'm not sure it improves performance compared to stock, but then I flashed this pretty much the same day as I got the Tab so can't really compare . I believe it has some performance improvements with the stock browser, but I prefer Miren anyway. I really don't see any lagging with Miren, or at least none that I can't attribute to poor wifi connections etc. It's certainly way slicker than the stock browser. The pinch to zoom font rendering on stock is appalling whereas on Miren it preserves quality. Not tried Opera on the Tab though I hear it's fast...
Have you tried using a different launcher than stock Touchwiz? Launcher Pro or ADW should both give you improvements in performance.
That so many people's first experiences with it are probably as a demo unit, I can see why they say it doesn't feel as smooth as an iPad.
Aye, you can swap launchers and tweak settings.
But most stores have them running loaded up with widgets, running some livewallpaper, and touchwiz. It IS jerky. Or rather, not as smooth as the iPad.
Ok, so the job still gets done, and as a techy myself, I'm happy with what's doable, but that perception amongst most users is that it's not as smooth as it could be seems to be an obvious win if they can sort it out.
Even on the Tab, bringing the Notifiction bar down; sure it's fast enough, but it doesn't animate as it scrolls down (though if it did, personally I'd want an option to turn that off so it insta dropped!).
That all the hardware coming out now has pretty decent openGL support now, I can see that'll be the main thing in future UI improvements, moving more of it to hardware acceleration. I get a feeling that it's all being done in software.
It can only get better from here. A bit of polish on the first thing most users will see will be hugely beneficial later.
I find almost all of the above judgements entirely false. The OS workd perfectlyt for me without any lag or any kind of lag fixes. Im on JK5.
All it takes is a few shrewd decisions on the software that you use with the OS. My browser doesnt lag - I use the Fennec nighly builds which are silky smooth with opengl rendering and without.
I have removed bloatware and services that clog up the purity of googles stock 2.2.
I do use a task manager to kill certain services on a selewctive basis.
I get 2 days light use out of it, which is just fine!
And there is never any lag anywhere.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
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This is acceptable.
There, I said it. I find it to be perfectly smooth, not sure why you're having a problem with it.
Use DolphinHD as the browser as it offers far more functionality than the default, and use ADW or LauncherPro as the homescreen as they both offer more functionality and better performance than the default.
As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
I always purchase hardware with what CAN be done with it in mind, not what MIGHT be done to it in the future. Hoping for upgrades is a waste of energy, if you don't like the hardware in its initial state, or a state that you can transform it to straight away (rooting it, flashing already available ROMs etc) then don't purchase it, simple as that.
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As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
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Well, by the time the Galaxy Tab 2 comes out, I would think Samsung would stop officially selling the Galaxy Tab 1 so it wouldn't matter if the Tab1 had Honeycomb or not. Its' not like it would be cutting into Galaxy Tab 2 sales.
well im glad some have good experiences with the web and smoothness of the device, i think i forgot to say that i am currenty on stock rom as i bought it, i read that there is some good performance improvements in the leaked firmware updates, still i would wait rooting, doing all that stuff untill things settle down a bit, it all seems confusing to me atm ( maybe it just is more complicated compared to winmo, htc hd2).
Well reading about the newer firmware out there got me in a better mood, knowing that samsung knows that things are not right yet is very comforting, i mean, i would assume all tabs sold in Denmark have the same firmware as mine, and that means bad performance compared to even the galaxy s, that is not acceptable, not at all.
Saying that this is a phone os and so on and therefore things dont run as expected. is neither acceptable since it should not run worse on a bigger device, i mean android do not discriminate? I am not looking for Ipad performance, since i got one in the household, and i still prefer using the tab, even though browsing is better on Safari (Flash dont work properly atm, rather just use the new youtubeclient, which i enjoy except the quality should be higher( proberly will be in time)
It is great to read your comments, gotta love xda
even if they stop selling galaxy tab 1, if they did release honeycomb into tab 1, people would hold onto their tab 1 if there's no significant upgrade on hardware
but if they dare only giving honeycomb onto tab 2, some people would definitely jump onto tab 2 for sure
It is never ending search for perfection that does not exist.
Something will come tomorrow with better CPU/GPU/screen.....
My experience is good enough. I turned of animation - major cause of lags, left one widget. Everything works just fine for my taste.
Hmm well is that fine Having to turn of animations and not use widgets? i just hope we will see custom roms with newer versions. What firmware v. are you using?
I'm really thinking about trying newer builds
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I still don't get the "lag"that everyone is noticing.I'm using dolphin HD and it's perfectly smooth for me. I did root and lagfix, not sure if that is the difference.
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Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
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Cool good to know about the perf improvement
Sad to see the ipad is still "the" reference
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I've had the SGSII for about a week now after moving from a Nexus One running CM7, and wow I am impressed.
I know that in the grand scheme of things it's an incremental upgrade - the main reason I left it a while to move - however the SGII has in my view made a significant leap.
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
Hopefully whatever Samsung have done, whether it be related to the chips in the phone or software tweaks, will be copied by all Android devices, and we can put the nagging sense of UI inferiority behind us (and I know the lack of smoothness bugged you no matter how hard you denied it).
Let's hope Android has put stuttering and lagging behind it forever. Well done Samsung.
P.S.
I haven't used the HTC Sensation so I don't know if they too have achieved this, but this is based on my observations of the hardware at my disposal.
About the same as my view of the phone thats why i find it hard to understand the this is a crap phone posts can i have sense on it is their an IOS4 rom for it etc . A if i thought the phone was crap i would have returned it B if i wanted sense i would have bought sense phone .
But yes with Android customers have choice across a broad range of phones and that is why its winning the sales drive .
Looking forward to more Android improvements as this is only really year two of development .
jje
Dont get your point.
I find the IP4 laggy compared to the SGS2 . The i9100 is by far smoother in my opinion
I haven't used or seen a better smartphone. My sgs2 is borderline biblical!
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The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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u could not have said it any better
what u explained is the MAIN reason i bought this phone
there is no " lag " its just wonderful
what would make this phone perfect is a ROM based of AOSP
which im still waiting for team hacksung to finish its version of CM7
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The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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samsung has hardware accelerated many parts of the UI. the web browser for example is hardware accelerated, as well as a few other places.
this is why i blast google. they should have been using hardware acceleration from day 1 to give the same smooth UI experience as the iphone. the SGS2 is not doing anything special, its not the dual core making it so smooth. its simply because samsung took the time to optimize the SGS2 with graphics chip, rather than putting the burden on the CPU 100% of the time.
the nexus one would be just as smooth. look at WP7 devices. they all use the same hardware as the n1, but use hardware acceleration and proper drivers, and are the smoothest devices in the world right now.
Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?
The "this is a crap phone" posts probably mostly come from people who don't own this. ...I know that might sound a little odd but trust me, even in Android communities there are fan-boys, and some actually go that far...
yup. time to throw my htc legend. i play the pinball game. the ball look like teleporting...
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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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Its hard to understand why people love this device soo much unless you actually ownit. This phone seems to give the feeling that android should have been this fluid from the beginning. There is no device (including the sensation) that operates as smoothly as the sgs2. I love this phone.
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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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GS3! Wow...the rumours, are TOO GOOD. Anything Apple pull out of the bag, even next year would simple pale in comparison to the GS3.
Posts like these makes me anxious to get mine. Still waiting on UPS!
If Samsung did some hardware/driver acceleration magic, I wonder if CM7 and the other AOSP ROM project will be able to take advantage of this as well. I don't want the stock ROM to be the only super smooth and slick ROM available.
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Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?
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it hasnt taken too long. the original galaxy s also had hardware acceleration in the browser for example. only the international version, but it was lightening fast and smooth as butter. it only is because samsung took the initiative and did a custom job. google certainly hasnt implemented it yet, and in ice cream sandwich they claim it will come.
i'm right there with you, manufacturers should have been pushing for a UI experience that matches apple's.
since the op is sharing thoughts about the device, i'll share mine too. i FINALLY received it in the mail today. opened the box, the device is bigger than it looks in the online review (coming from a nexus s 4g). the thin factor is impressive, but not as impressive as i was expecting. the smoothness is there as expected, but the "S" boot image is freakishly laggy--no big deal.
camera-really good
screen-what can i say? super amoled plus looks great,
hardware finish/quality-pretty good...but i prefer the smooth back over the textured back--no big deal
touchwiz 4.0-hmm, this is tough, i need to play with it some more. samsung obviously put a lot to this UI, but so far it doesnt seem as refined as other skins...for example, the default lock screen is kind of laggy, and is a pain sometimes to fully move the lockscreen so that it unlocks. numerical battery percentage would be nice without having to go into settings...other than these minor gripes, i love the touchwiz widgets.
obviously samsung has really tried to outdo itself and competitors, and the sgs II is perhaps the best android phone out there. but as of right now, it doesn't really give me that "wow" factor despite all its features. but i've only had it for one day and haven't gotten to test out the dual core, dlna, and other features.
Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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Ehh. I have some dis likes but i still pick it up everday. I cant say the same for my ipad 1 i sold a few months back
I agree 110% about the software, hardware is nice though.
I think its completely ridiculous that google and devs cant make all simple menus scroll smoothly. Its one of the pathetic aspects of honeycomb and android in general. The typing lag when using a web browser is completely unacceptable IMO, again they cant figure out how to input SIMPLE text onto a form without the tablet getting bogged down to the pint of serious lag JUST to type letters? Its mind bogglingly inexcusable. My home screens scroll pretty smoothly as long as I dont put any buggy widgets on.
In the same boat kinda. Love my SGS2, it's a freaking beast chipset and screen. The tab 10.1 on the other hand... is just another Tegra2 device and unfortunately Tegra2 sucks balls in phones and tablets. I'm not gonna go so far to blame the hardware for all the issues since iOS can be smooth on a single core (iPad 1) so google definitely has some fault here. Google had the chance to come as close as they could as a closed garden with their tablets since they all ran vanilla honeycomb and all ran the Tegra2 chipset but they still missed... so sad.
If the next quadcore tablets with ice cream sandwich aren't amazing (and smooth for once) I think they've lost the tablet war.
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Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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i am happy with mine go back and use the ipad or maybe playbook or touchpad
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i am happy with mine go back and use the ipad or maybe playbook or touchpad
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Love the tab, I don't see this lag, etc. IOS may be smooth, but so is the android app draw...which is pretty much what the homescreens are on the iPad. Yea honeycomb as a few bugs to iron out, but it is relatively young.
I read somewhere that the ipad2 has a better GPU, so the reason it's smoother is because of the hardware.
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I read somewhere that the ipad2 has a better GPU, so the reason it's smoother is because of the hardware.
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Wrong. Ipad 1 has a GPU 3 times slower than tegra 2 and it scrolls all menus liquid smoothly. It has nothing to do with the hardware to make simple scrolling smooth, the issue is with honeycomb and android in general.
I think is has to do with hardware acceleration. ios and WP7 both have hardware acceleration that's better than what we have. Does Android even have Hardware Acceleration?
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Love the tab, I don't see this lag, etc. IOS may be smooth, but so is the android app draw...which is pretty much what the homescreens are on the iPad. Yea honeycomb as a few bugs to iron out, but it is relatively young.
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Same here. I haven't experienced any lag when flipping between screens, app drawer, switching apps etc.
The only really glaring issues I've seen have been with the stock web browser and its problems with javascript heavy web pages and text fields. While Opera and Dolphin are good alternatives to use to avoid those problems I do like the stock browser the best.
After being on this forum for some time now, it seems like the majority of issues people have are either self inflicted, a case of not having/using the right app or from refusing to use a known work around.
I can say I have no issues with any of the screens lagging when I scroll through them. I find it is much smoother than any android phone I have used.
The problem is not the hardware and I dont think the software is that bad. It has ALOT of feature IOS does not have and WAY more capability.
I think the real problem is a lot of people are finding it hard to find uses for the tablet. There isnt a plethora of apps designed specifically for android like their is for ipad. Also I think a lot of people are finding that they spent $500 on something that their phones pretty much already do. So they try and justify their guilt in spending that money by coming up with ridiculous reasons "
why" the product sucks. i think alot of people got it on an impulse buy because it is the new shiny toy on the market.
I for one love my tablet. I use it all day at work and is perfect for travel. Im excited for the new update and all the new features that will come with it.
I agree that the Honeycomb is not perfect and it'll probably be another year before Android tables catch up to the iPad. However that said I like the tweaking that can be done on Honeycomb where iOS is just boring.
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Same here. I haven't experienced any lag when flipping between screens, app drawer, switching apps etc.
The only really glaring issues I've seen have been with the stock web browser and its problems with javascript heavy web pages and text fields. While Opera and Dolphin are good alternatives to use to avoid those problems I do like the stock browser the best.
After being on this forum for some time now, it seems like the majority of issues people have are either self inflicted, a case of not having/using the right app or from refusing to use a known work around.
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Opera has made me so happy with this tabet. Buttery smooth. Also a huge fan of the SwiftKey split keyboard... IPad can't do that!
I have to admit this is googles fault for rushing honeycomb just to compete with the IPad. I'll be waiting for the ice cream sandwich update and hopefully that will unify the Android OS like google wants to do and fix some of their problems and get tablets fixed because my patience is running thin.
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Wrong. Ipad 1 has a GPU 3 times slower than tegra 2 and it scrolls all menus liquid smoothly. It has nothing to do with the hardware to make simple scrolling smooth, the issue is with honeycomb and android in general.
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My iPad 1, as much as I love it, isn't as smooth as my tab 10.1 in a lot of places.
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I think is has to do with hardware acceleration. ios and WP7 both have hardware acceleration that's better than what we have. Does Android even have Hardware Acceleration?
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We do, starting in honeycomb (or maybe partially in gingerbread).
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I read somewhere that the ipad2 has a better GPU, so the reason it's smoother is because of the hardware.
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Not true at all. Smoothness of iOS is a direct reflection of the closed locked down environment that is iOS. 'It just works' because the restrictions apple has placed on its operating system. Android on the other hand is open source and not locked down to this degree. Its a more powerful, flexible system which comes at a cost. That would be hardware. Android devices need better specs to maintain the smoothness of iOS. Both of these approaches have merit in their own right. For the record, I still think iOS is super boring.
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Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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I have owned and tested for the last 10 months these tablets: IPAD, IPAD2, Viewsonic, Motorola, Acer Iconia (nice) and since a week the Galaxy tab which I will keep. I installed the latest Bonsai ROM and I love it. Smooth, can overclock to 1.4GHz. Sure it lacks connectivity, but nothing is perfect. Honeycomb will become better. I rooted the IPAD2. What a joke: The unofficial apps are baby stuff. I paid for my Galaxy tab $393 and know at least there will be new roms in the future. IPAD2 $525 for a locked system, no thanks.
But it all comes down to personal preferences.
Not sure if
I'll get the galaxy tab but I consider it strongly.had the 7 inch galaxy tab and thought it was well build and the screen quality was very good. As I am in germany I can't test the build quality of the tab and if I read threads like this then I reconsider to buy this tab. Is it really that crappy the tab without comparison to the ipad 2.
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foxfire235 said:
Not trying to start a troll thread, but I'm honestly disappointed in this tablet. I was hoping for a true "ipad like" experience in terms of smoothness, and user interface but it's just not there. I've rooted the tab, loaded both touchwiz and bonsai roms, loaded the OC kernal, and nothing makes it smooth. there's lag in the home screen scrolling, there's lag in the typing, there's weird app lag, it really sucks. I hate iOS with a passion, but really covet the user interface. My Galaxy S II is very close, so close that I think it's the perfect phone, and samsung really nailed it.
It's just really annoying that i'm going to have to sell this tablet and go back to using a laptop... I had such high hopes.
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Same here.. I didnt bother trying to "fix" the tablet though. I just took it back after 3 days. The Honeycomb user experience is not ready for primetime.. too laggy and too buggy.
Trying to decide which i would prefer!
I like the slim light Sammy, but the Xoom seems smoother. There are issues with the 8.9 that means its quite laggy, even with the best custom ROMs. The hope is ICS will fix it. The Xoom is silky smooth but the screen isnt so good. What are your thoughts?
Are you sure its still laggy with custom rom?
might just be touchwiz. They are both technically more than capable.
Your first task is to decide which sideboard more suitable and also which looks better. Done.
My understanding is that touchwiz is an issue, but that there is still something else going on to do wit portrait/landscape orientation. The 8.9 is reversed compared to the Xoom and as such some games dont work properly and it lags.
The Xoom feels older and is heavy, but seems better value. Both are £279 in the UK right now. Maybe ill order both and return the one i dont like as much..
Xoom all the way. Just sold my 8.9 for a xoom. Its a better value and overall experience. If size and screen is a factor get the 8.9. But overall the xoom is better in every way. Plus updates are key
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rovex said:
Trying to decide which i would prefer!
I like the slim light Sammy, but the Xoom seems smoother. There are issues with the 8.9 that means its quite laggy, even with the best custom ROMs. The hope is ICS will fix it. The Xoom is silky smooth but the screen isnt so good. What are your thoughts?
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Hey there...
I currently have a Xoom 2 (typing on it right now actually), and my fiancee has the 8.9 Samsung...from what I have seen so far:
- the 8.9 screen is beautiful, and nicer than my Xoom2
- Xoom 2 is quite glitchy/laggy in my opinion (I am rooted and running 3.2.2), as I am typing this I'm struggling with the keyboard (words are slow to appear and not a fluid typing experience)
- have waited an eternity for any kind of update from Motorola... I'm not holding my breath for ICS (even though I am already running it on my SGS )
-8.9 is slightly more comfortable to hold over longer periods because it's smaller
-Xoom stock browser is pretty good,quite stable...although I now use Opera Mini Next
-Latest 3.2.2 update has fixed a lot of graphical bugs and seems to be running a little smoother than on 3.2
-On the negative side, the 8.9 uses Kies, which is a dealbreaker for me...never want to use that rubbish software again after all the trouble I had with my SGS
Overall, if I had to make the choice I'd probably go for the Samsung...because you can connect it as mass storage and bypass Kies...you'll just have to use 3rd party aps/software for backing up your data.
However, I'm afraid I cant comment on the android development for each device...i just know that currently there is sweet FA available for the Xoom 2 (I've only just found out how to root it), but no ROMs as yet. I havent looked in the 8.9 section, so cannot comment on the possibility of modding it. But i believe there is a lot of stuff available for the original Xoom,which is nice !
Disclaimer...I'm sure there are plenty of people that will disagree with me about some of the points above, but hey, thats life
Hope some of this helps you
IG =]
Get the OG Xoom.
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Get the OG Xoom.
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rovex said:
Trying to decide which i would prefer!
I like the slim light Sammy, but the Xoom seems smoother. There are issues with the 8.9 that means its quite laggy, even with the best custom ROMs. The hope is ICS will fix it. The Xoom is silky smooth but the screen isnt so good. What are your thoughts?
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- Xoom with ICS is quite smooth.
- Xoom is heavy - but that indicates a higher build quality. But, I'll go for light myself next time since I take good care of my stuff and carry stuff in individual neoprene cases in my bag.
- Xoom screen is fine, but not leading class. Samsung screens are highly overly saturated wrt colors; if you like that then great, but the colors are not accurate.
I'm in the UK and had the same choice when they dropped the prices... I went for Xoom...
very smooth with ICS on... SD card slot was the clincher! I have loaded cards up with movies and music... fixed memory and no expansion slot sux hugely!
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I'm in the UK and had the same choice when they dropped the prices... I went for Xoom...
very smooth with ICS on... SD card slot was the clincher! I have loaded cards up with movies and music... fixed memory and no expansion slot sux hugely!
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this is why the xoom is probably the best tablet available, especially with another ICS update coming soon.
Plus touchwiz is extremly slow and laggy. I don't miss my 8.9 I am very satisfied with the xoom. No expandable memory was not a big deal, but at the same time it was. Now I can load up songs on my SD card and take he xoom in my car which saves on my phones battery. Plus if you play games 32 gigs will be more than enough for data. As far as development the 8.9 has like 3-4 roms, 1-2 honeycomb and 1-2 ICS (no working camera). For future updates I think the xoom will get JELLYBean because its still the only developer device until the nexus tablet in April, but that will also be a daul core. So I think we are safe for 1 more year. The 8.9 will be long gone and forgotten by the end of the year. One other cool thing it the Bluetooth keyboard and track pad made by Motorola and connecting the xoom to your flat screen is great. Its basically google TV but with all the apps.
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dislike touchwhiz very much
love the value of the wifi xoom (1) get one from any region of your choosing and roll ICS onto it and youll have yourself one of the most capable tablets available
rovex said:
Trying to decide which i would prefer!
I like the slim light Sammy, but the Xoom seems smoother. There are issues with the 8.9 that means its quite laggy, even with the best custom ROMs. The hope is ICS will fix it. The Xoom is silky smooth but the screen isnt so good. What are your thoughts?
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LOL, you are in a Xoom Forum, you know what we are gonna say!
Love the Xoom, wouldn't trade it for any other tab.
If you are going to root it and flash roms then the Xoom has a lot more development and I think it will continue to get lots of development support for a lot of years.
I have a Verizon Xoom and am running the teameos rom and it is amazing. My wife has a tab and it isn't terrible but the Xoom is a lot more fun when I can play with roms and overclock it etc.
Whenever I purchase an android device from now on I will always go with the device that had the most development.
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Hey there...
I currently have a Xoom 2 (typing on it right now actually), and my fiancee has the 8.9 Samsung...from what I have seen so far:
- the 8.9 screen is beautiful, and nicer than my Xoom2
- Xoom 2 is quite glitchy/laggy in my opinion (I am rooted and running 3.2.2), as I am typing this I'm struggling with the keyboard (words are slow to appear and not a fluid typing experience)
- have waited an eternity for any kind of update from Motorola... I'm not holding my breath for ICS (even though I am already running it on my SGS )
-8.9 is slightly more comfortable to hold over longer periods because it's smaller
-Xoom stock browser is pretty good,quite stable...although I now use Opera Mini Next
-Latest 3.2.2 update has fixed a lot of graphical bugs and seems to be running a little smoother than on 3.2
-On the negative side, the 8.9 uses Kies, which is a dealbreaker for me...never want to use that rubbish software again after all the trouble I had with my SGS
Overall, if I had to make the choice I'd probably go for the Samsung...because you can connect it as mass storage and bypass Kies...you'll just have to use 3rd party aps/software for backing up your data.
However, I'm afraid I cant comment on the android development for each device...i just know that currently there is sweet FA available for the Xoom 2 (I've only just found out how to root it), but no ROMs as yet. I havent looked in the 8.9 section, so cannot comment on the possibility of modding it. But i believe there is a lot of stuff available for the original Xoom,which is nice !
Disclaimer...I'm sure there are plenty of people that will disagree with me about some of the points above, but hey, thats life
Hope some of this helps you
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Great response. Balanced and holistic.
willysp said:
- Xoom with ICS is quite smooth.
- Xoom is heavy - but that indicates a higher build quality. But, I'll go for light myself next time since I take good care of my stuff and carry stuff in individual neoprene cases in my bag.
- Xoom screen is fine, but not leading class. Samsung screens are highly overly saturated wrt colors; if you like that then great, but the colors are not accurate.
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not going to argue, but heavy is an indicator of build quality?
I dont think this is always the case.
Either way. you posted this in the Xoom forum, so you can expect certain responses.
The xoom 2 is a nice unit though. looks a little unusual with the tapered edges, but nicely weighted.
I bought a Nexus 7 for my son and I've been dealing with software issues since day 1. Apps crash regularly, when I hit the home button, many games don't stop (you can hear the music play in the background), web browser stops for 1-3 seconds occasionally, and this morning when I clicked on Settings it was frozen for 10 seconds and came up with "Settings is not responding". Even though I hit "Wait", it rebooted itself.
If I compare this 3-day old device to my highly skinned Samsung Note 10.1, I'd go with the SGN any day, because not one app crash or random reboot happened so far (I've had it for more than a month). Please note that I'm running the exact apps/games on the SGN. When I had a Galaxy Tab 2 10.1" and 7" in the past, the experience was the same (problem free).
The tablet that I had before SGN was a Toshiba Excite 10.1 running a stock ICS (Toshiba only added few of their apps, that was it). It was a nightmare as well. Web browser crash, frozen screen, random reboots. etc. happened all the time.
The root of the problems could be hardware related, but both Nexus/Asus and Toshiba with stock Android had numerous similar issues. At the end of the day, with my limited experience, I'm a non-stock Android believer, not to mention all the extras Samsung built on top of stock Android (e.g., multiscreen, mini apps, etc). Yes, I do understand that updates are delayed with non-stock Android versions, but I'd rather use a problem-free device and wait a little longer for an update.
I agree with you on the Nexus, mine is stock and even launching apps like Wallet my tablet freezes almost everytime. I don't think it's a hardware issue, I think it's more a software issue. As for as the GN101, so far I have found it solid without the need for any ROM changes at all.
The obsession with stock came from a time when devices were underpowered and didn't have enough RAM. Manufacturer overlays really bogged down performance. So the XDA devs went on a quest to offer AOSP/AOKP alternatives. Back then, going naked really did improve device usability.
With quad-core processors and 1.5/2 GB of RAM becoming the new standard the overlays really don't interfere the way they used to. They also add a lot of value with additional audio and video codec support, faster alternative toggles and menus, more functions added to apps (EG: camera), usability features (EG: SmartStay), and better integration between apps which helps people be more productive.
You'll hear people talking about being "bloat free." By the time someone's done loading third party versions (sometimes multiples because one won't work for everything) of apps that come pre-installed they have more crap on their device than the OEM version. I truly wonder if a lot of people even use their devices to do anything. You see post after post about how lag free their transitions are but you never hear them talk about actually using any of the apps they have installed or trying to accomplish a specific task.
As for your situation with the N7 I think a lot of the issues are h/w related. You don't hear people on the SGS3 or Note II forum running in to similar issues. There are h/w related issues on Asus' premium tablets so if anything their budget tablet shouldn't be expected to perform any better.
Mainstream shoppers like overlays. In the Apple case it came out that Samsung sold only 500K Galaxy Nexi. That's a pretty embarrassing number considering all the chatter about "pure Google" and the cult following Nexus devices are supposed to have.
Definitely not SW issue. Vanilla android is as stable as it gets. It can only get worse from there. The nexus 7 is an Asus device, which are known for i/o issues as described. The reason aosp is always 'buggy' on (insert device) is because alot of modifications are needed to get it running on most devices, making for a possible unstable build. Manufacturer's skins absolutely slow down the device, but with the newest gen dual/quad core processors, the newer devices run pretty darn fast stock...
Try cm10 on the note and you'll see how much more efficient it is... But you'll also see minor issues like camera not working
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Definitely not SW issue. Vanilla android is as stable as it gets. It can only get worse from there. The nexus 7 is an Asus device, which are known for i/o issues as described. The reason aosp is always 'buggy' on (insert device) is because alot of modifications are needed to get it running on most devices, making for a possible unstable build. Manufacturer's skins absolutely slow down the device, but with the newest gen dual/quad core processors, the newer devices run pretty darn fast stock...
Try cm10 on the note and you'll see how much more efficient it is... But you'll also see minor issues like camera not working
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I guess I don't understand the point "Vanilla android is as stable as it gets........The reason aosp is always 'buggy' on (insert device) is because alot of modifications are needed to get it running on most devices, making for a possible unstable build". If each manufacturer needs to modify it to run it on their device, then which device runs the "vanilla" android?
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I guess I don't understand the point "Vanilla android is as stable as it gets........The reason aosp is always 'buggy' on (insert device) is because alot of modifications are needed to get it running on most devices, making for a possible unstable build". If each manufacturer needs to modify it to run it on their device, then which device runs the "vanilla" android?
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Nexus devices. Manufacturers add more functionality and appearance to stock android (ie, TW, sense, blur) which present more of an opportunity for errors/bugs.
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Nexus devices. Manufacturers add more functionality and appearance to stock android (ie, TW, sense, blur) which present more of an opportunity for errors/bugs.
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It's ironic, because I'm having issues with a Nexus device while the SGN with Touchwiz works without any issues.
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It's ironic, because I'm having issues with a Nexus device while the SGN with Touchwiz works without any issues.
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The theory of Nexus is much different than the practice. Different radios and even bands make it as fragmented as a skinned device.
Well I have a note 10.1 and nexus 7. Note is completely stock and runs flawless. My nexus 7 is running stock rom with custom kernel. That runs flawless also. Even before custom kernel, superstock, it ran extremely well without any issues for me. My nexus 7 never had issues OP described. Nexus 7 is stable as a mofo never had any issue with that Asus tablet. So lets not go there with since its an Asus, its automatically bad/defective or whatever..lol.
I also have a SG3 which is great superStock.
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I bought a Nexus 7 for my son and I've been dealing with software issues since day 1. Apps crash regularly, when I hit the home button, many games don't stop (you can hear the music play in the background), web browser stops for 1-3 seconds occasionally, and this morning when I clicked on Settings it was frozen for 10 seconds and came up with "Settings is not responding". Even though I hit "Wait", it rebooted itself.
If I compare this 3-day old device to my highly skinned Samsung Note 10.1, I'd go with the SGN any day, because not one app crash or random reboot happened so far (I've had it for more than a month). Please note that I'm running the exact apps/games on the SGN. When I had a Galaxy Tab 2 10.1" and 7" in the past, the experience was the same (problem free).
The tablet that I had before SGN was a Toshiba Excite 10.1 running a stock ICS (Toshiba only added few of their apps, that was it). It was a nightmare as well. Web browser crash, frozen screen, random reboots. etc. happened all the time.
The root of the problems could be hardware related, but both Nexus/Asus and Toshiba with stock Android had numerous similar issues. At the end of the day, with my limited experience, I'm a non-stock Android believer, not to mention all the extras Samsung built on top of stock Android (e.g., multiscreen, mini apps, etc). Yes, I do understand that updates are delayed with non-stock Android versions, but I'd rather use a problem-free device and wait a little longer for an update.
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Try vanilla android on a samsung device like the galaxy nexus and you will have a very different experience. Asus devices are fine once some tweaks have been made, but my tf300 was extremely sluggish on stock. Just got the note and it blows the doors off my tf300 in every category except the note does not have jellybean yet and the tf300 does.
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My nexus 7 never had issues OP described.
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Here's what I've learned by researching IO on Asus' tablets. People who have no issues and people *****ing about lag etc. are both right. It depends on what you're doing with the device. People with a lot of syncs running in the background or that have multiple apps or a single multithreaded app going that create concurrent processes are more likely to experience issues. Here's a post from someone I know well talking about it. I actually shipped him his N7 from the States. If he says it lags, it lags. His post is in a 67 page thread aptly entitled "The LAG Thread."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1776538
There's another recently discovered issue that occurs when available storage drops below 3GB. Performance hits the wall. So one or both are probably causing OP's issues.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/nexus-7-performance-issues/
Well I have a galaxy nexus and ever since jellybean its smoother than ever, sometimes even better than on my note 10.1 except if its on cm 10
Just look at the size of the ROMs cm10 is 150 mb while for example high on android is 750 mb, there's definitely a difference performance wise
If you ran stock JB on Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and then the skinned JB (when it finally drops) and you'd see a difference I'm sure. Not AS much since this tablet is a beast, but you'd see improvements.
If vanilla android was the issue, skinning it could only make it worse. They are still utilizing all of the code of vanilla android, and adding their own stuff to it. That can only bog things down. It does on every device I've ever seen.
Finally, I've never heard or see these issues on the Nexus 7. Sounds like you got a lemon. Everything I've heard is that it's the most fluid tablet to date.
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If you ran stock JB on Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and then the skinned JB (when it finally drops) and you'd see a difference I'm sure. Not AS much since this tablet is a beast, but you'd see improvements.
If vanilla android was the issue, skinning it could only make it worse. They are still utilizing all of the code of vanilla android, and adding their own stuff to it. That can only bog things down. It does on every device I've ever seen.
Finally, I've never heard or see these issues on the Nexus 7. Sounds like you got a lemon. Everything I've heard is that it's the most fluid tablet to date.
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You should visit the Nexus 7 sub-forum (especially the Lag thread) for an alternate view.
The 'obsession' with AOSP stems from a Linux purity thrust. Most OEMs do NOT release their mods to android back as open source contributions, which technically, under the gnu gpl, they should. Samsung-skinned android OS is kind of like Linux mint as opposed to Linux Fedora. Fedora comes out of the box with ABSOLUTELY NO proprietary software, whereas Linux mint ships with flash, Google search (which is NOT open source). So when you run Konqueror (stock KDE browser) you have to download and choose Google as your search engine. Otherwise, it uses duckduckgo, which I prefer..I use ddg on my android tablets even.... I just don't like my search history being chronicled.
AOSP was started in this spirit, which is why gApps are separate and have to be flashed independedntly. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaC8Pq9-V0&feature=youtube_gdata_player for more information, and a ton of geeky fun.
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The 'obsession' is because in the past vanilla Android was clearly faster/more stable than skinned versions. If I compare the Galaxy S to the Nexus S, touchwiz was a slow laggy joke while vanilla Android outperformed it in every way.
Add to that much faster updates, which was much more important as Android matured, and a stellar dev community, and you have a group of people who have preferred Nexus devices over any other.
It has also been easier to flash Nexus devices, and they are virtually impossible to brick. You dont need to use anything like Kies/Odin/Heimdall etc, just install the Android SDK and use fastboot/ADB to set it up, then off you go. Unlocking a bootloader is a single command you use once, and you dont need to flash new bootloaders for updated versions of Android (updating my A500 was a complete pain compared to my Nexus S because of this).
The current generation of Samsung devices are IMO the first gen where Touchwiz works really well. I have absolutely no desire to flash any ROM over the stock Sammy ROM because it works so freaking well. If i get a Note 2 i'm sure it'll be the same, but i am still waiting to see what the new Nexus devices will look like.
I think with the Note 10.1 we have an excellent device that helps us forget just how buggy and crap Touchwiz has been in the past.
poid, most of those problems you mentioned are still true.
Adding the manufacturer's customisations to Android still results in fewer and slower Android OS updates, still results in slower, clunky software (this is not so much a problem on extremely powerful processors like in the Note - more noticeable on slow processors like the Tab 2 - why they downgraded the processor in that I'll never know).
Touchwiz has indeed improved a lot, but the fact that it is a customised version of Android still means that Samsung has more work to do in order to push out upgrades and optimise the new software to run smoothly on the device.
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It's ironic, because I'm having issues with a Nexus device while the SGN with Touchwiz works without any issues.
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thats not because of vanilla android, its because of asus hw. the galnex with stock jellybean (the kind that it boots with, no cm or aokp) is just as solid as this, and most of the custom roms are as well. the galaxy nexus did not sell many units because not a lot of people know a lot about nexus and the android ecosystem, and it wasnt as hyped with all the commercials and ads as, say the gs2, gs3, or one x.
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The 'obsession' with AOSP stems from a Linux purity thrust. Most OEMs do NOT release their mods to android back as open source contributions, which technically, under the gnu gpl, they should. Samsung-skinned android OS is kind of like Linux mint as opposed to Linux Fedora. Fedora comes out of the box with ABSOLUTELY NO proprietary software, whereas Linux mint ships with flash, Google search (which is NOT open source). So when you run Konqueror (stock KDE browser) you have to download and choose Google as your search engine. Otherwise, it uses duckduckgo, which I prefer..I use ddg on my android tablets even.... I just don't like my search history being chronicled.
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All 100% true. And meaningless to the 95% of Android users not considered "enthusiasts." The SGS2 sold 28MM the Note I 7MM and the SGS3 20MM in 100 days. The GN sold 500K. That kind of tells you what the general device purchaser thinks is important and it isn't AOSP. Performance isn't about h/w or s/w in isolation. The GN has a crappy camera, awful display, and horrible battery life. AOSP and JB or KLP can't fix that. Same thing with the h/w issues on the N7. Samsung's always done a great job of tuning the h/w and s/w on their devices to perform better together. Samsung's stock browsers have always blown away all others because of the h/w acceleration they include. Same thing with the additional codecs they provide for audio and video. It's nice to have options through the devs on XDA but not everyone views their devices as a science project.
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poid, most of those problems you mentioned are still true.
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The performance issues are pretty much gone because of more RAM and faster processors. I have a Teg3 One X and I love Sense. The integration between apps makes me more productive and allows me to get stuff done (EG: rejecting a call with a message and adding it as a task to Outlook to follow-up with one swipe) faster than diddling with a bunch of non-integrated third party apps. Since I actually use my devices getting a 1K higher score in AnTuTu or orgasming over screen transitions is less important than what they're capable of actually doing. The price you pay for an overlay is later (if at all) updates but to some that's an OK trade off. Ask the VZW and Sprint GN owners about getting updates on their "pure Google" devices. They may not agree that's a benefit that always works as described.
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The current generation of Samsung devices are IMO the first gen where Touchwiz works really well. I have absolutely no desire to flash any ROM over the stock Sammy ROM because it works so freaking well.
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I can't root and ROM because of security and registering on foreign GSM networks when I'm traveling so I couldn’t if I wanted to. But I agree with you. The Note and my One X (after the last update) don't leave me wishing I could.
Nexus 7 is very flawed . but not its os
I will be getting my note 10.1 tomorrow or wed at the latest.
I see alot of nexus 7 talk in this thread and thought i would tell my story.
The nexus 7 software is very nice near flawless there is some issues with touch response and dead spots on the screen. The device itself has a huge design flaw . This is caused by two things. Number one being the bezel is to small under the screen . the lip on the left side has been reduced to allow for the digitizer connections this causes either the bezel to warp or the screen to become loose and lift up and move. This movement is causing screens to crack and shatter. There are issues with A Yellowish spots burn in on the screen as well as screen flashing from issues with light sensor calibration. CM 10 Does help with that issue some. but shutting off the sensor. There are people posting about the device making a squeeling sound then just going off and never coming back on Speakers going bad or not working head phone jack not working.. And so on..
I had a nexus pre order it came in with a few of the above issues. I got a advanced replacement had to send it back on the day it arrived because of huge screen issues. Due to the big hassle with trying to get a refund i sent the other back. its been nearly two months They have both devices back and all of my money..
IN SHORT the nexus 7 is plegued with issues if you have one and its working Lucky you.. But there are more bad then good.. it was pushed to market too soon in my opinion.. but the device i had ran very well and fast . its a great size to pack around but not so good for web browsing .screen to small..
Anyway my opinion only read the nexus 7 forum if you feel anything about is wrong . its all there ..
thanks all ... I eagerly await my note 10.1 tablet ..
My girlfriend got this tablet today, at my recommendation. It's the lte, snapdragon 800 version. She wanted a 10 inch tablet so I thought this would be one of the best products on the market. I was so wrong... I owned a nexus 10 previously and that tablet was flying, had very snappy ui. This one simply isn't as smooth. Even the launcher seems laggy, like it's not running at 60 fps (more like 40 fps, not very choppy but noticeable). And TouchWiz... Omg the entire system feels like frigging gingerbread, what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification. Forget gingerbread, this looks like froyo.
So I insisted she sends it back and get a nexus 7, but she actually likes it. She likes the s pen and multi window (which I won't deny that are great features, I own a note device myself) but she hates how the ui looks as well.
I can't understand why this feels so stuttery, on paper it has killer specs.
Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps? That's where there's some lag and stuttering. I don't have any performance issues within apps and I have 142 installed. Your girlfriend sounds like most of the people I know that have N10.1-14's or Pro/Notes and like them; a lot. The more you do with them the more you appreciate them. For basic consumption any tablet will do and there are a lot cheaper options than the N10.1-14. If I was just looking for consumption I'd own an iPad as its transitions and overall fluidity is better than any stock Android device. Not everyone here's looking for a garage project. As for 7/8" vs. 10+" there's no comparison for creation and productivity so recommending a small format tablet to someone who needs/wants a larger one doesn't really fly. And the N10 with its 32nm eighteen month old CPU and GPU that's half as capable as either the Mali/Adreno in the Pro/Notes is a non-starter. The only other ultra HD 10" tablet is the TF701 and it's got lag issues too as reported by users. People should buy what makes them happy and clearly the Pro/Note's aren't for everyone.
And the Pro/Note's with 4.4 and M-UX still have some of the stuttering and lag people have been complaining about so I wouldn't bank on major improvements going forward. Core TW has been touched up and is a bit cleaner and flatter but those that hate it will continue to do so. All the productivity features (multi-window, S Finder, My Files, S Note, Pen Window, S Pen, Action Memo, Scrap Book, persistent clipboard, Air Command, Air View, syncing Scrap Book, S Note, and the stock browser across devices) have a ton of open threads and processes running in the background even when they aren't active. With no running apps I've cleared RAM and had 40+ processes close. Moral of the story is if you don't want/use those things (EG: you) they waste resources and slow down performance. But if you do (EG: me and your girlfriend) there's nothing that compares to the N10.1-14 and other Pro/Notes.
I'm doing some office work at a coffee shop; here's my setup. There's no tablet I can think of that lets me do what my N10.1-14 does in such a small factor. I had the old N10.1 and could leave my laptop home about 25% of the time. With the N10.1-14 I'm up to 50+%. That, at least to me, is worth some millisecond-long stuttering in transitions.
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My girlfriend got this tablet today, at my recommendation. It's the lte, snapdragon 800 version. She wanted a 10 inch tablet so I thought this would be one of the best products on the market. I was so wrong... I owned a nexus 10 previously and that tablet was flying, had very snappy ui. This one simply isn't as smooth. Even the launcher seems laggy, like it's not running at 60 fps (more like 40 fps, not very choppy but noticeable). And TouchWiz... Omg the entire system feels like frigging gingerbread, what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification. Forget gingerbread, this looks like froyo.
So I insisted she sends it back and get a nexus 7, but she actually likes it. She likes the s pen and multi window (which I won't deny that are great features, I own a note device myself) but she hates how the ui looks as well.
I can't understand why this feels so stuttery, on paper it has killer specs.
Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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I feel your pain, and while I really like this tablet, I'm not a fanboy and won't make excuses or explanations for the lagginess etc. All I will say is this, check http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ for the latest firmware for your model (p605 I think) and download and install it via Odin. I have the wifi only model and the latest firmwares (NC2 and NC3) made a HUGE difference in the overall responsiveness of the tablet. With tweaking and customization this tablet is heads and shoulders above the iPad and all other tablets, but it takes a little work (disabling unnecessary Samsung apps and services for example).
Hope it works out though bro.
NC2 has helped a lot. My snappy version still stutters occasionally but its pretty rare these days. I agree that it is a bit poor that Samsung released the device in what seems like an unfinished state. However there are few alternatives that can offer the functionality of this tablet.
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I feel your pain, and while I really like this tablet, I'm not a fanboy and won't make excuses or explanations for the lagginess etc. All I will say is this, check http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ for the latest firmware for your model (p605 I think) and download and install it via Odin. I have the wifi only model and the latest firmwares (NC2 and NC3) made a HUGE difference in the overall responsiveness of the tablet. With tweaking and customization this tablet is heads and shoulders above the iPad and all other tablets, but it takes a little work (disabling unnecessary Samsung apps and services for example).
Hope it works out though bro.
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Thanks, I'm gonna check that out.
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My opinion is flash custom rom and kernal, get rid of bloat and use nova laucher instead of touchwiz and youll see a big difference. When its all stock there is alot of unessary things you dont need or use. Theres alot of changes you can do to speed it up.Just search around the threads and youll find a ton of info.
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My opinion is flash custom rom and kernal, get rid of bloat and use nova laucher instead of touchwiz and youll see a big difference. When its all stock there is alot of unessary things you dont need or use. Theres alot of changes you can do to speed it up.Just search around the threads and youll find a ton of info.
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Doesn't this tablet have the knox trigger which voids warranty? I usually don't mess up with someone else's devices, but especially in this case when it's about my girlfriend.
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps? That's where there's some lag and stuttering. I don't have any performance issues within apps and I have 142 installed. Your girlfriend sounds like most of the people I know that have N10.1-14's or Pro/Notes and like them; a lot. The more you do with them the more you appreciate them. For basic consumption any tablet will do and there are a lot cheaper options than the N10.1-14. If I was just looking for consumption I'd own an iPad as its transitions and overall fluidity is better than any stock Android device. Not everyone here's looking for a garage project. As for 7/8" vs. 10+" there's no comparison for creation and productivity so recommending a small format tablet to someone who needs/wants a larger one doesn't really fly. And the N10 with its 32nm eighteen month old CPU and GPU that's half as capable as either the Mali/Adreno in the Pro/Notes is a non-starter. The only other ultra HD 10" tablet is the TF701 and it's got lag issues too as reported by users. People should buy what makes them happy and clearly the Pro/Note's aren't for everyone.
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Haha yea I dont get it either ... i have both notes [ 2012 & 2014 ] its a huuuge improvement ... when I open the browser on my old one it takes 5- 10 seconds to load up ... the 2014 edition does have no loading times it starts up instantly.... but this is the only thing ... sime minor startup problems ... but these are gone on the new note ... so I dont get whats the complainign about ...
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps?
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You're not going to get the S Pen experience anywhere else so I think the conversation is pretty much over on if it should be kept. She's keeping it. If you love her, you'll root it and customize the crap out of it to give her the experience you know she deserves. *cues Palladio suite*
I like the build quality very much, I do like the s pen (I have it on the phone and it's even better on a larger screen) and, like I said, on paper it has very good specs. I installed the Google now launcher and turned all transition animations to 0.5. It does move better, and the original browser is very smooth (much better then chrome). I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still hate the user interface (I still think that it looks like gingerbread). Maybe with the updated TouchWiz from the pro series I will like it).
I didn't search on the forums and I'm sorry for being lazy, but does this device have the Knox trigger?
^^ this +1
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You're not going to get the S Pen experience anywhere else so I think the conversation is pretty much over on if it should be kept. She's keeping it. If you love her, you'll root it and customize the crap out of it to give her the experience you know she deserves. *cues Palladio suite*
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I like the build quality very much, I do like the s pen (I have it on the phone and it's even better on a larger screen) and, like I said, on paper it has very good specs. I installed the Google now launcher and turned all transition animations to 0.5. It does move better, and the original browser is very smooth (much better then chrome). I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still hate the user interface (I still think that it looks like gingerbread). Maybe with the updated TouchWiz from the pro series I will like it).
I didn't search on the forums and I'm sorry for being lazy, but does this device have the Knox trigger?
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I think that every phone/tablet needs to have Nova Launcher installed. I understand some people like Apex or GO! but I recommend Nova. You can change the theme/icons all you want and its lag free in all of my experiences. Also you've already changes the transitions to .5 so that is really all you should need.
And Yes, all Samsung devices at this point will come with Knox i believe.
Funny enough I have Nova on my Note 3 but TouchWiz on this tablet. With the NC3 update it's as smooth as butter, the way it's supposed to be. As much as I like Nova, I don't like the app drawer on a screen this size, TouchWiz is way better looks wise and with the update as I said, performances are on par with each other.
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I'm loving this tablet so far, I use it for the university mostly and the battery lasts like 2 days with moderate/intense use.
I also use the spen a lot (wish I had a more realistic pen). it also doesn't lag and it is pretty fast.
The only thing i wish, is that it had more features like we see on phone or the phablet, for the price I paid for it.
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Doesn't this tablet have the knox trigger which voids warranty? I usually don't mess up with someone else's devices, but especially in this case when it's about my girlfriend.
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it does trip knox and void the warranty. You can still disable some apps and use nova launcher to speed it up some.
Hi,I just got it and love it (have always been a fan of the note phone series,but its a whole new experience on a tablet!!!) So just a question, can I install the NC3 firmware from the Hongkong model? Will it void Knox(i dont rly care, rooting it in a week anyways) and will change the apps n stuff? (like my HOX singapore rom has a whole lot of useless preinstalled crap).
BTW I got it from US(Newegg.com), and I didnt get any extra tips!! Any idea where I could buy some? Either in India or US?
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what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification.
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The white in the notification bar and settings are the new Google standard. Apparently the guys that designed the blue Halo settings at Google were locked in a cubicle and never went outside during daylight. Because if they'd gone outside, even only once, in bright sunlight they'd have noticed that the blue was not even close to readable. At all. People who are frequently outside, as many of us are, had to make a hood out of our jacket to actually read stuff on that crappy interface. We looked like old time photographers with a hood over our heads.
The white interface makes our phones usable outside again. That guy that approved the blue Halo interface should be sentenced to sit in the bleachers of his kid's softball game for 30 straight days as punishment. Instead, he'll probably approve something else in the future that will be unusable outside.
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Hi,I just got it and love it (have always been a fan of the note phone series,but its a whole new experience on a tablet!!!) So just a question, can I install the NC3 firmware from the Hongkong model? Will it void Knox(i dont rly care, rooting it in a week anyways) and will change the apps n stuff? (like my HOX singapore rom has a whole lot of useless preinstalled crap).
BTW I got it from US(Newegg.com), and I didnt get any extra tips!! Any idea where I could buy some? Either in India or US?
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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Awesome! thanks! mine is a refurb too but with knox intact.
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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thanks for the help dude. I installed NC3, there is a noticeable improvement over MK1. However I believe I lost some of the MK1 apps. WatchON is gone,replaced by something called Peel. Some other apps are gone too, I think. Are you able to redeem your Samsung hub 50$? I have the code but unable to redeem in India.I am arriving in US in 5th July.Is the 90 day usage limit valid on the from the date u get u get the code or from when u redeem it?