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First of i would like to say that i have been reading on xda since the old winmo days where i rooted and customized my phones. Now it is my time to write my first post here, which i have close to doing many times, im from Denmark by the way.
Not long ago i sold my beloved Htc hd2, which i had running Android, and i bought the Nokia N8 due since i am heavy on the music and photos. My plan was to get a 7 inch tablet with android for the rest of my needs, which the N8 could not for fill, and even though i had read some places that the tab was slower than one would expect i got myself a used one ( like new) for about half the retail prize.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
It is not slow in generel use, its proberly about what a galaxy s with stock would be, but in things such as the web browser, which should be essensial for a tablet, the galaxy tab really sucks, it is so bad that my nokia n8 with opera mobile nearly handles the web better, and thats really saying something! I tryed about all browsers in the android markedplace and ofcourse one can find a much better one than the stock ( of course you have to turn flash off, even through i think it is a shame)
I ended up using Opera Mobile since it is by far the fastest, it seems to me through that its not running the native res of the tab, could i be right?, is it true that some apps will show fullscreen without being the full res of the tab? i looked allover the web for days trying to get a grip of things without luck, really hope to get some answers
Now what would love to learn some more about would be the future prospects of the Galaxy tab, Is it in the hands of many developers?, will we see custom roms? (since i am not much for stock and touchwizz). Can we expect the Tab to be get much faster, should it not have the same or similar performances as the Nexus S or Galaxy S?
A final thing that i was wondering was about the res of the tabs screen. Is that whats coursing the troubles, the lagg? is that what makes it slow someplaces and makes the webbrowser work like a windows mobile 6.5 stock browser (or worse )
The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
Well thats it for me, really hope to get some answers since i know this is the best place to ask this sort of questions!
i'm on JM6 and somehow i still dont get what people say about silkky or buttery smooth >.<
mine is kinda laggy (still), and the stock browser gets laggy too when get scrolled up or down, i'm going back to miren browser
i do love putting widget though in my screen, but when i see homescreen post, some of them got a lot of widget too
wonder what's wrong with mine
already using launcher pro, better in term of scrolling than touchwiz with lots of pages (App Drawer)
but scrolling screen still gives me lag
quoting everybody else, after tegra 2 maybe there will be a tegra 3 or whatsoever so if you wait and wait, you'll wait for the rest of your life
i'm jumping on the wagon here, and i'm pretty satisfied actually, but since this is my 1st android phone, i have nothing to compare
gingerbread is definitely come to us , so i dont really care if the requirements need tegra 2
if my tab can handle it, so rock on, if it cant, then just wait for another device capable of gingerbread and sell this one
but since nexus S is using the same 1ghz and using gingerbread also, i dont think tegra 2 is necessary for it
maybe for honeycomb, we'll never know
keep crossing ur finger ^^
Thanks for your quick response. I hope your right with the requirements since it really makes sense that the nexus s would be apple to opgrade.
To me miren Browser is very laggy i really want to use it just don't run smoothly. Thinking about trying flashing one of the roms out there maybe I should wait for a official.
It's not the processor, it's the OS! and Gingerbread aint gonna fix it because it aint designed for tablets. Honeycombe is 'supposed' to be designed for use with tablets so you'll have to wait until 3Q 2011.
I don't know why people are surprised when they realise this as 'sticky', 'laggy', 'freezing' were words all mentioned in every review i've ever read about the tab.
Unless of course you only read Samsungs own review which would be slightly bias.
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The reason why i am thinking that now is that i just read on Engadget that the Galaxy tab 2 will have Tegra 2 and that it seems very likely that Tegra 2 will be the processor in allot of gingerbread android tablet. Is the hummingbird to slow to handle higher resolution screens? (I really, REALLY hope that is not the case)
Maybe someone with a Archos 101 could prove me wrong (or another android tablet with higher res)???
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I once had a Toshiba Folio 100 with a Tegra 2 processor (for 5 days ) and it was just as fast/slow as the Tab. Don't know if Gingerbread is going to make the nvidea processor perform a lot better. As far as I know it is a driver thing.
Except for the browser, I think the Tab is fast enough for me.
This performance thing is relative. For example simon2901 you said htc hd2 has better android performance. I have both tab and hd2 now, nearly tried every android build for hd2 but cant find anything that has the performance that makes me feel really usable. But you think the opposite and this shows how relative this thing can be.
I flashed my tab to jm6 as Justin^Tan and i am agree with him. People say it is silky or very smooth but i all can say is it is smoother then my stock rom. Another proof of how this can be relative.
And i agree with appleflap except browser tab is enough for me too. Browser is enough in most cases for me too but when i browse a fully loaded page with flash it really is a pain.
As from the Gingerbread i only expect is make power drain of some apps more reasonable.
It's the OS... I come from an OS for which bloggers like to make fun (WM 6.5.5), however the custom ROMs for my TP2 were in the end quite fast. And I feel like I had more functionalities
This has nothing to do with Samsung's hardware. The Hummingbird is actually as (more) powerful as what you find in the iPad (And we have more memory with our Tab)
If I were you I would not expect too much from Gingerbread. Doesn't look like much more than a minor upgrade with a few tweaks. Quite different from the move from 2.1 to 2.2 let's put our hope sin Honeycombs...
It's kind of normal, it's a young OS and to be honest it's impressive to see the work that has been accomplished since the first versions of android. Given its quick growth we can hope to see more and more good apps and hopefully improved support for custom ROMs. That said teh Tab doesnt seem so popular among modders and chefs (maybe because of the price ? Or just because Clockwork seems more difficult to develop ?) so I ma not sure we can hope that much for the future for us
Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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Jm 6 is that a custom rom or just a minor update, how does it compare to stock, since mine certainly not smooth with miren. I laggs so much only opera is useable
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JM6 is a Euro firmware that's been posted in the dev section here. I'm not sure it improves performance compared to stock, but then I flashed this pretty much the same day as I got the Tab so can't really compare . I believe it has some performance improvements with the stock browser, but I prefer Miren anyway. I really don't see any lagging with Miren, or at least none that I can't attribute to poor wifi connections etc. It's certainly way slicker than the stock browser. The pinch to zoom font rendering on stock is appalling whereas on Miren it preserves quality. Not tried Opera on the Tab though I hear it's fast...
Have you tried using a different launcher than stock Touchwiz? Launcher Pro or ADW should both give you improvements in performance.
That so many people's first experiences with it are probably as a demo unit, I can see why they say it doesn't feel as smooth as an iPad.
Aye, you can swap launchers and tweak settings.
But most stores have them running loaded up with widgets, running some livewallpaper, and touchwiz. It IS jerky. Or rather, not as smooth as the iPad.
Ok, so the job still gets done, and as a techy myself, I'm happy with what's doable, but that perception amongst most users is that it's not as smooth as it could be seems to be an obvious win if they can sort it out.
Even on the Tab, bringing the Notifiction bar down; sure it's fast enough, but it doesn't animate as it scrolls down (though if it did, personally I'd want an option to turn that off so it insta dropped!).
That all the hardware coming out now has pretty decent openGL support now, I can see that'll be the main thing in future UI improvements, moving more of it to hardware acceleration. I get a feeling that it's all being done in software.
It can only get better from here. A bit of polish on the first thing most users will see will be hugely beneficial later.
I find almost all of the above judgements entirely false. The OS workd perfectlyt for me without any lag or any kind of lag fixes. Im on JK5.
All it takes is a few shrewd decisions on the software that you use with the OS. My browser doesnt lag - I use the Fennec nighly builds which are silky smooth with opengl rendering and without.
I have removed bloatware and services that clog up the purity of googles stock 2.2.
I do use a task manager to kill certain services on a selewctive basis.
I get 2 days light use out of it, which is just fine!
And there is never any lag anywhere.
Now i must say that i am really bugged out about this Tab, it is super slick, the screen and the form factor is nice, the internals are great ( much the same as the new google developer phone, that should be good?) but still this thing runs poorly on froyo 2.2. Really i dont see people saying this is acceptable, since i really dont think it is, i dont mean to flame, since i love android and phones in generel, but even my Htc hd2 had smoother performance than the tab, i find that hard to be true.
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This is acceptable.
There, I said it. I find it to be perfectly smooth, not sure why you're having a problem with it.
Use DolphinHD as the browser as it offers far more functionality than the default, and use ADW or LauncherPro as the homescreen as they both offer more functionality and better performance than the default.
As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
I always purchase hardware with what CAN be done with it in mind, not what MIGHT be done to it in the future. Hoping for upgrades is a waste of energy, if you don't like the hardware in its initial state, or a state that you can transform it to straight away (rooting it, flashing already available ROMs etc) then don't purchase it, simple as that.
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As mentioned, gingerbread will offer a performance increase, but it's unlikely to be significant. It's entirely possible that Samsung will never port Honeycomb to the tab as they'll want to use it as a selling point for the Galaxy Tab 2 when it eventually comes out (and who knows when that'll be), the future is most likely going to come from custom ROMs if you want to improve the device as it stands.
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Well, by the time the Galaxy Tab 2 comes out, I would think Samsung would stop officially selling the Galaxy Tab 1 so it wouldn't matter if the Tab1 had Honeycomb or not. Its' not like it would be cutting into Galaxy Tab 2 sales.
well im glad some have good experiences with the web and smoothness of the device, i think i forgot to say that i am currenty on stock rom as i bought it, i read that there is some good performance improvements in the leaked firmware updates, still i would wait rooting, doing all that stuff untill things settle down a bit, it all seems confusing to me atm ( maybe it just is more complicated compared to winmo, htc hd2).
Well reading about the newer firmware out there got me in a better mood, knowing that samsung knows that things are not right yet is very comforting, i mean, i would assume all tabs sold in Denmark have the same firmware as mine, and that means bad performance compared to even the galaxy s, that is not acceptable, not at all.
Saying that this is a phone os and so on and therefore things dont run as expected. is neither acceptable since it should not run worse on a bigger device, i mean android do not discriminate? I am not looking for Ipad performance, since i got one in the household, and i still prefer using the tab, even though browsing is better on Safari (Flash dont work properly atm, rather just use the new youtubeclient, which i enjoy except the quality should be higher( proberly will be in time)
It is great to read your comments, gotta love xda
even if they stop selling galaxy tab 1, if they did release honeycomb into tab 1, people would hold onto their tab 1 if there's no significant upgrade on hardware
but if they dare only giving honeycomb onto tab 2, some people would definitely jump onto tab 2 for sure
It is never ending search for perfection that does not exist.
Something will come tomorrow with better CPU/GPU/screen.....
My experience is good enough. I turned of animation - major cause of lags, left one widget. Everything works just fine for my taste.
Hmm well is that fine Having to turn of animations and not use widgets? i just hope we will see custom roms with newer versions. What firmware v. are you using?
I'm really thinking about trying newer builds
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I still don't get the "lag"that everyone is noticing.I'm using dolphin HD and it's perfectly smooth for me. I did root and lagfix, not sure if that is the difference.
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Gingerbread actually does have some performance improvements imho. Running it on my nexus one and the screen transitions have improved over Froyo (dare I say - as silky smooth as on the ipad? ). So I would expect the Tab to feel a bit slicker too once it gets some Gingerbread love. Personally, I'm not finding the Tab to be sluggish at all. Running Launcher Pro, JM6 firmware, Miren browser, a few widgets, tons of apps, no live wallpaper, and it's all very smooth.
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Cool good to know about the perf improvement
Sad to see the ipad is still "the" reference
I have had the Acer and Asus and honeycomb is weak. It's just too unstable, and the Transformer has too many quality problems. I tried to make the most of it, but today my Asus wouldn't boot up got stuck at the Asus screen. It's over, and as I look in this forum there are more complaints then then anything. Honeycomb is not ready and the Asus has serious quality issues. I'm waiting for webos now.
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Quite the opposite for me. Honeycomb has been very stable and no crashes.
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It's over, and as I look in this forum there are more complaints then then anything.
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That's because people who are happy with their tablets don't flood the forums with new threads. Honeycomb has been anything but unstable for me. No crashes. Sure, still has video problems but that's not Honeycomb's fault.
Honeycomb FTW!!!!!!!!! sucks these forums are a good spot for crybabies lol . * just bustin blz*
yes i ****ed up my TF, yes i bought another one that i will have the next tuesday, but i never had problems with HC.... ok i lied i had my FC and other stuff, but im a CE and im so USED to computers crashing and doing weird stuff, plus i only screwed up HC when i was trying to do some anime playback
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Honeycomb FTW!!!!!!!!! sucks these forums are a good spot for crybabies lol . * just bustin blz*
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I love honeycomb as well, not one crash so far. These threads are getting really annoying.
While I am liking it mostly, i think the iPad is much more polished. Things like txyping on this forum are painful. Typing with two fingers is faster than the tablet can display. Then there are the apps, even things like the XDA app consistently crash. I found many which work fine and seem to cover my needs nicely, I still find my self wishing for a more polished product. And that is just honey comb.
As for the hardware I think it is lacking optimizations massivley. Againg this is a look and feel issue, the damned TF has friggin sharp edges. Mine actually gave me a small aluminum splinter. Also the sharp edged holes at the bottom make it uncomfortable to hold sometimes.
There are good things though. The battery seems to be great. I really like the screen. The fact that there is a micro sd slot is wonderful. Overall the tablet is light and durable.
I told myself i'd give it a wek like i did for the Iconia. I like things about both but i think the iPad is a better product overall.
not seeing any instability...works fine here.
HC was stable for me. I would't say HC is not ready, I would say the HC ecosystem is not ready yet. Too little apps for HC tablets
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While I am liking it mostly, i think the iPad is much more polished. Things like txyping on this forum are painful. Typing with two fingers is faster than the tablet can display. Then there are the apps, even things like the XDA app consistently crash. I found many which work fine and seem to cover my needs nicely, I still find my self wishing for a more polished product. And that is just honey comb.
As for the hardware I think it is lacking optimizations massivley. Againg this is a look and feel issue, the damned TF has friggin sharp edges. Mine actually gave me a small aluminum splinter. Also the sharp edged holes at the bottom make it uncomfortable to hold sometimes.
There are good things though. The battery seems to be great. I really like the screen. The fact that there is a micro sd slot is wonderful. Overall the tablet is light and durable.
I told myself i'd give it a wek like i did for the Iconia. I like things about both but i think the iPad is a better product overall.
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google its.... a bit bold on its modus operandi, they are developing hardware and hardware related software (AKA OS android) as if they were developing Gmail,and other aplications of google (and those are good), if you think about those you know what its comming its GOOOD
Ios its not bad, but... its simple and that helps a lot on the polishing part and its 4 year old too, its not bad i repeat nor old, its just more mature
EDIT: dont let the tablet fall, mine did hitting one corner and bye bye LCD, im still waitng for asus RMA
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That's because people who are happy with their tablets don't flood the forums with new threads. Honeycomb has been anything but unstable for me. No crashes. Sure, still has video problems but that's not Honeycomb's fault.
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True. I am one of the non posters who is thrilled with the Transformer.
No doubt Honeycomb has a little ways to go, but this is the first time that I have used a tab that, to me, beats out the iPad. Since I have had the TF my IPAD has just collected dust.
The quality issues are minimal and the benefits greatly outweigh them.
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Somethings are great. Most of what isn't will be fixed over time. Build quality issues will be resolved as different manufacturers get involved or TF 2 =)
Honeycomb apps overall can be slow though. Things like typing in this quick reply box are slow and stuttering, the halting cursor movement is very erratic. No netflix yet is annoying, but might be here eventually. In my mind I want the iPad polish on Android, but that will be in time. I'm 50/50 atm as to whether this goes back next week, if so I'll end up waiting to see what comes out this summer.
Honeycomb is awesome. I was slightly worried when I read all the initial reviews bashing the XOOM, but I've had almost no issues with it. In fact the Froyo and Gingerbread that I've had running on my phone is less stable than Honeycomb on my Transformer.
I would say that honeycomb and the transformer have both surpassed my expectations. I expected HC to have a lot more bugs than I have experienced. My first android experience was with an og droid on eclair, and until I started using what the dev community had developed, I would have killed to have my iPhone back.
I also purchased the original ipad when it came out and quickly returned it because it operated exactly the same as a big version of my iphone/iPod touch, which made it boring and usuless to me. The transformer, on the other hand, has been able to do anything that I have needed it to while also being fun. The transformer has really gotten more use than any other new gadget that I can remember, in the few weeks that I have had it. I also have not exprienced any of the quality control issues that are constantly talked about on here, other than some limited light bleed, which in my book can't really even be considered a defect.
I believe HC itself to be quite stable, as I have never had a crash/reboot. Many apps, even the supposed HC optimised apps, need some real attention to run well on HC but I don't blame the OS for that.
In short, I am very happy with HC and the quality of the transformer. The one thing that may bring me to ditch the transformer in the future is the lack of any way to use nvflash. I have partially bricked many phones and have had to use this method to restore them. Without it I don't really feel comfortable rooting and romming the thing, so for now I'm choosing to stay stock, at least until 3.1 and the constant FOTA updates are pushed out.
I'm enjoying my TF and HC more than I ever thought. I probably wouldn't have been as enthusiastic if I didn't have the keyboard dock, since typing on screen (on any tablet) is awkward. I spend more time with my TF now than I do with my laptops.
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Somethings are great. Most of what isn't will be fixed over time. Build quality issues will be resolved as different manufacturers get involved or TF 2 =)
Honeycomb apps overall can be slow though. Things like typing in this quick reply box are slow and stuttering, the halting cursor movement is very erratic. No netflix yet is annoying, but might be here eventually. In my mind I want the iPad polish on Android, but that will be in time. I'm 50/50 atm as to whether this goes back next week, if so I'll end up waiting to see what comes out this summer.
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The typing issue on this site and others built using the same base platform is due to how the stock browser handles it.. try switching to the classic skin or use Firefox.. works much faster IMHO this 'lag' issue has been mentioned here and explained many times now, and whilst its not ideal.. its a pretty isolated issue and not a real reason to generalize that 'the TF is laggy/HC is laggy' (IMHO of course - but then, I'm biased and love me my TF )
No crashes to me. Very stable OS. With 3.1 should be perfect.
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I have had the Acer and Asus and honeycomb is weak. It's just too unstable, and the Transformer has too many quality problems. I tried to make the most of it, but today my Asus wouldn't boot up got stuck at the Asus screen. It's over, and as I look in this forum there are more complaints then then anything. Honeycomb is not ready and the Asus has serious quality issues. I'm waiting for webos now.
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Goodbye, have a nice life!
People need to get real. You read the post just like me, I see complaint after complaint. It's a 400 dollar half baked product.70 % bad 20% good 10% don't know what to do with this thing. Good luck with the light bleed, Sharp edges, bad speakers, unresponsive screen, gaps in the corner of screen, vibrating plastic back when volume is full blast, buggy OS, no accessories available, really I want to like it too.
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Getting real.. my Transformer works just fine thankyouverymuch Only wearing the rose coloured glasses because it really does work (for me, and quite a few others it seems - though not all, I'll admit)
I'm sure you love your tech, and for that reason of course I'm disappointed that you're not getting the same experience as I am.. more satisfied customers equals a growing userbase equals more support and so on...
.. (although cheaper than the competition, the Transformer's RRP still isn't trivial and I can see why you'd hacked off), but those that are enjoying the transformer experience aren't deluding themselves that its something it isn't; we're evangelising for a reason (in our own honest opinions of course) ... I would probably be as disillusioned as you if I'd encountered the same problems, and by the sounds of it the blame (if you want to call it that) could be thought to lie with both Asus and Google.. however, for now.. i'm loving the tech, and didn't blink once when the reviews of another world beating tablet started coming out (Galaxy Tab 10.1) - this thing ticks all the right boxes for me
I guess you'll have to go with an alternative (Galaxy Tab 10.1, iPad/iPad2 etc.) or wait for something else that ticks all the right boxes from an o/s, usability, support, software library and build quality perspective..
I read a lot on this forum but dont post much. I havent seen a lot of positive things about the the new Tab. I just have to say I am very happy with my purchase so far. I was able to walk into my local Best Buy after 6pm on launch day and pick up a white 32GB. Funny thing is the Website stated they had 3 white and 4 black 32GB and when I got there they said all they had was the black. To make a long story short the Best Buy employee actually had to open the box and look at the Tab itself to tell if it was white or black. Apparently there is no way to tell on the outside of the box(I would assume the model number would). Anyways, I have owned the Xoom,Iconia and the Playbook and none of them hold a candle to this. Honeycomb does have a long way to go, however I do think this is a giant step foward in the right direction.
Please leave your experience so far if you are happy
never had a tablet before so nothing to compare it to, but so far I really dig it!
Ill join you on the happy part. Ive had my tab since Tuesday and I'm loving it. I haven't run into any of the issues that have been posted in some of the other threads. I'm in love with the fluu blown multitasking. I can easily jump app to app without loosing a spot. Perfect for those copy and paste situations.
Some of my favorite apps...
News360/Pulse
Native YouTube app
Thumb keyboard (must have)
PlayOn (yay hulu and Netflix)
Weatherbug for tablets
Grooveip
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I just got mine today, too. White, 16GB
I asked for a Grey 32GB one, but they had none. I still wanted a Grey one, but even though they had it in stock, they gave me a white one, and I didn't notice till I got home. They even ran out of keyboard docks too. Oh well, I'm stuck with this one now.
After a few hours of use, I started to wonder about all the negative posts and reviews on XDA and everywhere else. I do notice certain points, like how browser lags when typing, but it seemed minor to me since I noticed that the key presses still recognized, and I was surprisingly accurate and fast using it, despite this being the first tablet I've ever owned.
Games are pretty and crisp. I've only experienced some minor lag in Plants vs. Zombies at the end of each stage, otherwise it played well.
A great experience so far.
i am happy with the tab but honeycomb needs some work.
I've had mine since *** yesterday *** and am happy with it. The one thing that I wish I could do is color calibrate the screen. While the bright, cartoonish color is liked by many, I would like to be able to calibrate the screen for more accurate color to display photos and play the videos that I shoot. Even with my 32GB unit, I am missing the microSD slot that I have on the Nook Color.
I'm very happy with mine. Sure, it has some issues, but nothing too bad and I believe most of them will be fixed by software updates in the future.
It's rather obvious, but all big smiles here too
Just to state a few, easy to the eye and ears(quality build, screen, speakers), easy to carry and hold(super light, thin, with textured back), responsive, fast and versatile OS (widgets thrive, google apps reign, multimedia a beauty to run, even if it currently has a few glitches like lag in typing in certain websites boxes).
Just loving it!
I'm loving it so far. Honeycomb does have some issues to work out.
One thing that is truly bothering me is the lack of quick controls in the browser.
The official accessories not being available is also annoying.
But man o man I'm loving the hardware ,the screen ,and the form factor.
I have a 16 grey and I'm very pleased with my purchase. At the time I wanted a 32 but best buy had none in stock. I also have an unlocked version so I'm scared to return it can't wait for some custom kernels to fix some lag this thing has. Other then that I am very pleased. Honeycomb does need work. Hopefully the touchwiz update fixes some lag. I no it usually just bloats the system but this version seems nice! A few software kinks but love it! Can't wait for ICS (open source) that should fix pretty much everything for ow though very happy
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This tablet will essentially replace my phone for in house usage. Loving it so far, only wish the app support was better.
I'm digging it. I sincerely hope with the 5k that were given to devs we'll get more support!
I'm very pleased with this tablet. It feels much nicer to hold than my previous tablet.
Can someone with a 16GB tell me what their total space available is showing? Mine's at 13GB. I could have swore it was 14.2GB or somewhere around there.
I'm also very happy with mine, I actually have no problems with Honeycomb itself -- but more apps need to support it. Thumb Keyboard + News360 + Flash 10.3 + Dolphin HD + YouTube + Samurai II = my Sunday.
I just got it! By a coincidence it arrived the same day as the iPad2 I bought for my uncle, and I did a comparison side by side. Although I am used to iOS (I have an iPhone), I immediately felt honeycomb as more flexible, out of the box, than iOS. As for Aesthetic, I can say that the GT feels much lighter than the iPad, I can handle it better.
In few words: I am really happy, so far.
I've had mine since Friday. I love the look and feel of the GT. It looks and feels much better than the Xoom, in my opinion (I had a Xoom for just under 2 weeks) and it's definitely lighter than the Xoom. I compared it to my gf's iPad 2 and it is a little bigger, but feels lighter. So I love this tablet.
I don't love the lack of tablet optimized apps or the lack of Netflix or Google Movies. Compared to the iPad it's definitely lacking in those areas, but the tablet itself and honeycomb are excellent.
I've had my LE I/O version for about a month now and absolutely love it. It's light, feels great in my hands, it's fast, I even love Honeycomb... Not sure why so many people complain about it. Hopefully over the next few months we'll start seeing more HC versions of apps.
edit: forgot to mention the battery life is freakin amazing. I can go 3-5 days with moderate usage and it won't die.
Got one from Amazon. So far happy with it. Need to look into how to root and OC the cpu.
The smartbench 2011 score is less than Viewsonic (OCed to 1.4Ghz).
Im absolutely in love with my tablet
Well, I have to admit that so far I ampretty in love with this tablet. The screen is amazing and the weight and thickness make this feel really nice in the hand. I am really enjoying honeycomb so far and do not see any problems so far. I was kinda worried about buying this but I am relieved. I also really love the look of it. I have the grey one and it looks really nice. So far I am a happy tablet owner
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Hello all.
I am a owner of a new Asus Transformer Prime (it's my first tablet). I'm really frustrated with a few issues; mainly the wifi is spotty and the GPS is barely functional. I'm debating on whether or not I should return it and get a Xoom.
I know the Prime has a few better specs (super IPS, quad-core), but I would rather have a dependable and fully-functioning device than the latest and greatest with some issues that need to be kinked out.
Are there any annoying issues with Xoom or should I just pull the trigger?
Edit: Returned the Prime and got the Xoom. I've had it for a couple days now; I like it much better than the Prime. Everything works and the build quality is better.
You'll be disappointed with the screen coming from IPS. Going from the Xoom to the Xyboard, the screen quality difference is night and day. The Xoom will also be noticeably slower I'm sure, though it's better with some of the ICS builds out there. Does custom roms matter to you or do you want a tablet that has high build quality and works damned well? Xyboard would be my answer if it's the latter, unless you're considering the Xoom because of budget or for custom roms.
Can see my Xyboard review here...
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I don't want to drop the money on the newer Motorola tablet. I'm trying to keep it lower than the $500 price point. I'm looking to get a device that is issue-free (for the most part). I don't need the latest and greatest.
The Prime might be faster, but not when the stupid WiFi on the thing cuts out. Page loading just comes to a dead stop.
I'm sure those problems will be short lived. You have the best device on the market arm. Be patient.
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Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I don't want to drop the money on the newer Motorola tablet. I'm trying to keep it lower than the $500 price point. I'm looking to get a device that is issue-free (for the most part). I don't need the latest and greatest.
The Prime might be faster, but not when the stupid WiFi on the thing cuts out. Page loading just comes to a dead stop.
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I have owned the Wifi only Xoom since April and it was already my third Android tablet. I had wanted to buy the original transformer, but they weren't available, so I bought the Xoom, and I'm so glad I did!
The Xoom has a super build, great wifi and real, not 'assisted,' gps, fast dual core cpu that can be overclocked up to 1.7 ghz (I can run stable at 1.6) with custom Honeycomb roms/kernels and active ICS development. My screen is just fine...naturalistic colors won't pop your eyes out, but a non-glare screen protector makes it easier to see in sunlight. That's not been a problem for me. In case you can't tell, I love my Xoom. Some of these guys just want newest/fastest and couldn't care less about what really works.
I have both and definitely returning this second prime I have. The xoom might be slower in what, game?! maybe, not that I notice. Benchmark I could careless, more interested real world performance. The xoom with 5 megapixel camera is better in my comparison, beside megapixel means nada. Xoom video recording in low light blows the Prime out the water, high light doesn't matter they all perform well, hell even my 2 year old Evo 4 g is good in high or day light. Only thing I like about the prime over the xoom is super IPS for outdoor, weight, and battery (a bit better than the xoom). But with the screen bleed, dead pixel on both unit I have, flipping non usable GPS, IMO the Prime RIGHT now is not worth the high price. I got my xoom a couple week ago from best buy open box for 348.
If you can get the xoom for cheap I say go for it. if your paying over 400 I say wait til the problem for Prime to get sorted out or wait for something to drop after CES, that's my thought.
Well, I returned the prime and got the wifi xoom for 399. Better product. Really happy with it!
Looking forward to overclocking this thing. I know that Google has released AOSP ICS for the xoom... looking forward to messing with that too.
The internet speed is EXTREMELY faster on the Xoom. The browsing experience is much better.
I went through the GPS fiasco with the Galaxy S. I have learned not to tolerate a malfunctioning device with hope that the bug can/will be fixed through an OTA.
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The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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MikeyMike01 said:
The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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Wow, do you even own one?
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Well, I returned the prime and got the wifi xoom for 399. Better product. Really happy with it!
Looking forward to overclocking this thing. I know that Google has released AOSP ICS for the xoom... looking forward to messing with that too.
The internet speed is EXTREMELY faster on the Xoom. The browsing experience is much better.
I went through the GPS fiasco with the Galaxy S. I have learned not to tolerate a malfunctioning device with hope that the bug can/will be fixed through an OTA.
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Great choice...I don't think you'll regret it. There are lots of resources/guides for rooting/flashing custom roms/kernels, including the quite stable ICS alpha nightlies, and I think you'll enjoy your Xoom for quite a while to come.
I would have stuck it out cause once the few launch issues are fixed it will be an awesome tablet. I understand the budget and wanting in on the tablet fun now though. The xoom is really easily the next choice. I like it and I can't wait to see how much better it gets with ICS coming from motorola to fix the last few items missing.
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The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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Thanks for the input but can you give reasons for your strong opinion?
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Great choice...I don't think you'll regret it. There are lots of resources/guides for rooting/flashing custom roms/kernels, including the quite stable ICS alpha nightlies, and I think you'll enjoy your Xoom for quite a while to come.
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Thanks! I've been playing with it for a few hours now and I love it so far. The Prime had a better screen but the Xoom seems to be a solid device. The Prime had touch screen issues, GPS issues, WiFi issues, the SINGLE speaker was too quiet, and the Xoom is much more comfortable to hold. The Prime's thin, tapered edges gave it an awkward feeling.
I'm going to mess around with it stock for a few days and then I'm going to dig into the development section.
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The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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I'm pretty sure you don't own one at all with that comment.
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I would have stuck it out cause once the few launch issues are fixed it will be an awesome tablet. I understand the budget and wanting in on the tablet fun now though. The xoom is really easily the next choice. I like it and I can't wait to see how much better it gets with ICS coming from motorola to fix the last few items missing.
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When I first bought my Galaxy S, there were issues with lag and GPS. I "stuck it out" thinking that the issues would be fixed with OTA's and development. They haven't. Like I said in the OP, I have learned my lesson and won't put up with a product that malfunctions on day of purchase.
Then you would have sold your xoom on its initial release. Don't get me wrong I love my xoom...but would have gladly traded it for your prime
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Then you would have sold your xoom on its initial release. Don't get me wrong I love my xoom...but would have gladly traded it for your prime
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What was wrong with the Xoom on release? And yes, I would have returned the Xoom if it wasn't working properly either. Its dumb to keep a device that is flawed until you're certain that it can/will be fixed. That isn't the case for the Prime. Considering that the Prime's WiFi gets 1/10 of the speeds as my phone and Xoom (in addition to cutting out completely) it was very frustrating to use. There was also a non-functional GPS, touch screen response issues, yellow/washed out screen, and too many force closes. Who knows which if these issues are fixable and will be fixed. Comparing the Xoom and Prime in their CURRENT state, the Xoom is better.
A device needs more than fancy hardware to work properly.
Edit: Oh, and the single speaker on the Prime is horrible.
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Wow, do you even own one?
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I did, for 85 days before it went back to Costco.
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@Skinien: glad to hear you're enjoying your new Xoom, bro. Of the 1st generation crop of 10.1" Honeycomb tablets the Xoom is, IMHO, the most well-rounded of the bunch as far as function and, to a lesser extent, form. I was all but dead set on buying a Transformer Prime until reading about your experience with it.
@MikeyMike01: What exactly was wrong with the Xoom that left a sour taste?
@LatinMaxima: I agree. I flashed an ICS ROM for a few minutes a few days ago and loved it. The little pet peeves I have with Honeycomb like having to refresh the GMail widgets and the Market two or three times before each use are fixed. It looks and feels much more polished but the lack of camera functionality and bluetooth are dealbreakers for me so it's Honeycomb until those issues are fixed.
For now, my Xoom serves my needs well and will stay with me...pending any upcoming CES and MWC announcements.
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>I did, for 85 days before it went back to Costco.
So you took a $600 Xoom and used it for 3 months before returning it. In effect you cost the company $600. Way to abuse the store's return policy. It's people like you that raise prices and destroys return policies for the rest of us.
Your tag line says you're a developer. Let's hope what goes around, comes around.
Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk
Is this where we post "Cool story bro"?
Just remove the lock option if its peeing you off,
i don't have it set on mine so its instant off,
also use another launcher or if you like the stock launch then just have it set with the single home screen,
i currently use the TW launcher with 1 home screen and 2 widgets no problems,
have come close to buying another tablet but there isn't one that feels as good a the 7.7...
I still cannot believe that the nexus tablet is going to be sold as cheap as it is rumored to be atm.
Anyways, let's say it really is: Then it would actually be a good idea to get rid of the unsupported tab 7.7 in time, as you could easily buy two nexus tabs for the money the 7.7 is valued right now.
I think there has to be a hook somewhere.
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Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
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it is a really good idea i have a same feeling too
I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
As others have mentioned, swap out the stock launcher & browser, use NoLock, etc. I have tweaked around almost all the deficiencies of the 7.7 and have 99% of what I want in my perfect tablet. The only troublesome issues are this random looping reboot problem that we're discussing in the other thread I haven't been able to make headway with and also that i wish i could enable bluetooth phone profile on the Verizon version.
Maybe when more details are announced for Nexus Tab that make it more awesome, and if the damn random reboot problem on my VZ 7.7 keeps happening.
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I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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100% agreed
There will be compromise, Mostly screen Nothing beats Amoled!!, no gsm 3g, maybe tiny battery , bigger chunkyer, not magnesium crappyer build quality. The reason the cpu will be good is because it will be mass manufactured, and thats why the price will be so affordable. I think.
I was reading a report online last week that spoke of them going into mass production with some CPU manufacturer, lets see as I have my good days and bad day with the galaxy tab 7.7....
Do wish they would kick the ICS out for this baby and we could see if worth keeping or not, but yes I totally agree with most people on this and Samsung has dropped the ball on this and will be my last Samsung product
I also agree with OP's point to an extent. I actually went from an original Galaxy Tablet, to the 7 Plus, and hate that Samsung does this to their customers. They got our money and forgot about after purchase support. If the 7.7 wasn't such a great device I wouldn't have went with another Samsung.
The next best device I would consider for myself would be the Toshiba Thrive 7.7 - also a SAMOLED+ screen, Tegra 3, skinnier than 7.7 but Wifi only and i really enjoy the battery life and built in LTE from the tablet w/ my 7.7.
be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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to hit the price point, those things are well worth the sacrifice.
unless your tablet is your sole device, most people will have a phone which can do all those other things. the tablet was meant to be a secondary device you can use which is inbetween completely portable (phone) and non-portable (desktop).
Humm, no 3g that sux. I use 3g for data.
WiFi at home 3g when I am not, thats a deal braker for me.
I don't have the 7.7 but having played with it in store, I can't imagine Google matching it in quality for the price point they want. That'd be a pretty incredible feat.
Given that I think it'd be a hasty mistake to sell. It sucks for ICS to still not be there but it'll come - and chances are good you'll have a better tab than Google's then.
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Got £340 in the end for the tab and have just spent £200 on the g7,sold just in time me thinks.
Feels like I got there just in time.
If 7.7 had Samsung support I wouldn't have swapped
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The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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Yep though Tegra3 is superior CPU, I think once ICS drops, aside from Tegrazone games we won't notice any real life difference. The CPU @ 1.4 in our 7.7 is more than fast enough. Heck even my 1Ghz Tegra2 sony tablet s flies with ICS
The killer battery life and 3G is whats making me keep this instead of flogging and buying a Nexus 7 (at a profit too lol)
I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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Just wait for ICS, with hopefull improvements it will blow the nexus tan out the water even if it has "better software"
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