I am thinking of purchasing this phone as a wedding gift. He lives in pakistan. Will unlocking this phone and popping in a local sim be enough, or are different bands used in the US that would make this phone incompatible?
Thanks
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pwnjabi1 said:
I am thinking of purchasing this phone as a wedding gift. He lives in pakistan. Will unlocking this phone and popping in a local sim be enough, or are different bands used in the US that would make this phone incompatible?
Thanks
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The phone should work fine, but the big question is will 3G work
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks#Asia
So it should work as far as i can tell.
But i am also wondering, if it'll work just fine in Germany, because e.g. Vodafone uses 1900 as UMTS-Uplink 2100 as UMTS-Downlink - according to Google's specs, NS supports UMTS 900, 2100, 1700 and GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900.
So what's with the UMTS-Uplink
Thanks for the responses guys. I think pakistan still has some time before introducing 3g fully, so no worries.
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pwnjabi1 said:
I am thinking of purchasing this phone as a wedding gift. He lives in pakistan. Will unlocking this phone and popping in a local sim be ekgnough, or are different bands used in the US that would make this phone incompatible?
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It will definitely work there in both 2g and 3g, and it's sold unlocked out of the box.
kabumm said:
But i am also wondering, if it'll work just fine in Germany, because e.g. Vodafone uses 1900 as UMTS-Uplink 2100 as UMTS-Downlink - according to Google's specs, NS supports UMTS 900, 2100, 1700 and GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900.
So what's with the UMTS-Uplink
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Any news on this one?
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Any news on this one?
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Well, i did some research and seems like UK also uses 2100 down and 1900 up, which would mean, if it works there it should work here in Germany too.
But i really cant tell, because i just don't know really much about these frequency-stuff.
Would be glad, if someone could help us out on this one
It works with every carrier in the Netherlands and Germany as well.
I'm gonna order one tomorrow to replace my N1
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It will definitely work there in both 2g and 3g, and it's sold unlocked out of the box.
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So even if I buy it on contract it's unlocked?
It would need to work in Asia mostly for me when I travel, but my main concern would be having it unlocked. I have been using an unlocked iphone for now and I just getting tired of it.
cypher21 said:
It works with every carrier in the Netherlands and Germany as well.
I'm gonna order one tomorrow to replace my N1
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It will work on T-mobile as well?
Singlespeed said:
So even if I buy it on contract it's unlocked?
It would need to work in Asia mostly for me when I travel, but my main concern would be having it unlocked. I have been using an unlocked iphone for now and I just getting tired of it.
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It is SIM unlocked whether you buy it contract or with out contract (full price). it should pretty much work anywhere in the world who uses GSM technology, pop in your sim card and use the phone. The only concern is the data, you have to check the network frequencies, worst case scenario is you get the 2G, Edge speed, if the country the you are going is not the same as T-mobile USA network data frequencies. This is my understanding, if somebody out there who knows if I this information is wrong, you are more than welcome to correct me
I'm getting the Nexus S buy the end of december. The thing is that I'm in India and we use the 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink.. Since the Nexus S uses only the downlink frequency does that mean that the phone will not work on the Indian 3G networks.?
ordered mine from USA, will be getting today by DHL, will update.
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Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
1. Hard-SPL
2. Flash custom ROM
3. Insert SIM
That's what I did to get it working on Telus' 850mhz 3G. I remember the dude who made the huge thread about being the first in the US with a T9193 saying it was similarly easy.
If you just put your AT&T SIM in, you'll be able to send/receive texts, and make calls, but Telstra has the data connection settings locked down pretty heavily in the stock ROM...
OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
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OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
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As far as I know you don't need to change the radio.
I didn't have to.
Great, thanks.
What type of price did you get? I see them from less than $700 to more than $900.
WhyBe said:
Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
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You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
harolds said:
You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
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Yes, based on what I am reading, getting the Telstra model with 850MHz 3G band should be compatible with 850MHz 3G AT&T in the U.S.
The designated-"U.S." model is designed for T-Mobile 3G (1700MHz or 2100MHz)
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(1700MHz AND 2100MHz)
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I fixed that for you -- phones won't work on T-Mobile 3G without BOTH 1700 and 2100.
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).
pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!
At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.
erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands
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hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it
Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5
Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?
OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused
Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?
JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John
I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G
Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)
I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..
Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!
I purchased an HTC Desire to use with my AT&T service. My Desire is GSM/WCDMA and not GSM/UMTS. Meaning, that my Desire can not run on anything but EDGE. I spoke with a rep at HTC and he let me know that there may be an APP to unlock the 3G service... Does anyone have any information on this?
Thank you kindly in advance...
~HR
isn't WCDMA = UMTS?
That's what I thought too, but the HTC rep, let me know that I can only unlock 3G with an App. That because I have an import and it's not currently available in the U.S. I would need to find this app and unlock my 3G service. The Desire wont pick up AT&T's 3G...
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isn't WCDMA = UMTS?
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Yes........
I think it might be a frequency issue.
As far as I'm aware there are two models of Desire - A8181 and A8183.
In Australia, the model is the A8183 which provides WCDMA/UMTS at 850 and 2100 mhz. I think the A8181 operates at 900 and 2100 mhz.
If you imported from anywhere else other than Australia you'll most likely have a model A8181.
What frequency is AT&T 3g?
I do have an A8181. AT&T currently uses 850 and 1900 mhz...
Do you think there is a fix for this like the HTC rep mentioned?
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I think it might be a frequency issue.
As far as I'm aware there are two models of Desire - A8181 and A8183.
In Australia, the model is the A8183 which provides WCDMA/UMTS at 850 and 2100 mhz. I think the A8181 operates at 900 and 2100 mhz.
If you imported from anywhere else other than Australia you'll most likely have a model A8181.
What frequency is AT&T 3g?
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AT&T uses 850/2100 like Telstra does in AU.
If you have the A8181 you are stuck with 900/2100. I think it's a hardware thing so an app probably wont help, not 100% sure about that though.
[email protected] said:
That's what I thought too, but the HTC rep, let me know that I can only unlock 3G with an App. That because I have an import and it's not currently available in the U.S. I would need to find this app and unlock my 3G service. The Desire wont pick up AT&T's 3G...
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You bought the wrong phone ?(A8181)! As has been previously mentioned, you need an Australian Telstra Desire (A8183) to support AT&Ts 3G.
There is nothing that can be done about this because the hardware is different. You should sell your A8181 and buy an A8183.
Regards,
Dave
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I do have an A8181. AT&T currently uses 850 and 1900 mhz...
Do you think there is a fix for this like the HTC rep mentioned?
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Sorry to say , but I don't think so. the differences are in the hardware, not software.
You could always keep your device and change carrier? I presume someone in your area might use 2100 mhz??
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You could always keep your device and change carrier? I presume someone in your area might use 2100 mhz??
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Unfortunately not - the only other major GSM operator in the US is T-Mobile, and they use a split band of 1700/2100 and requires support for both to work.
Regards,
Dave
Does anyone wanna trade an A8183 for my A8181????
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Unfortunately not - the only other major GSM operator in the US is T-Mobile, and they use a split band of 1700/2100 and requires support for both to work.
Regards,
Dave
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Bugger! And I thought Australia had crappy providers
@Hugo - good luck with your sale. The device is incredibly popular in Europe, so eBay might be your best friend for a buyer.
i will
i' happy to trade with yours i got htc 8183 for 10 days
im running different operator than telstra so i would like a free wwe rom
Is it like the HD2 or will It be 3G on AT&T?
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I really like to know the same... if the DHD can get At&t 3g,,, I will get rid of my Vibrant in no time....
The DHD operates in these bands:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G (HSPA/WCDMA) will not work because USA uses 850MHz/1900MHz bands for 3G. GSM will work everywhere.
I got an HD2 t9193 destined for Australia which worked here.
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The DHD operates in these bands:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G (HSPA/WCDMA) will not work because USA uses 850MHz/1900MHz bands for 3G. GSM will work everywhere.
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USA doesn't use 850/1900 AT&T uses 850/1900.
T-Mobile is also in the USA, but they use the AWS 1900/2100 band for 3G.
And to answer th OP question, the European version of the DHD does not support any current 3G bands that any of the major US carriers use.
So what options for US users?
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What would you need the DHD for? You've got the Evo.
(Now I'm expecting you to start listing the differences...)
No, I have an Aria after my t9193 hd2 died last week (was 3g here in US and Europe). I was waiting for the dhd so its a stop gap. Or so u thought. I'm on ATT so looks like, if I want 3g, I either keep this or get the Galaxy (but I want sense). Or move to Verizon (not an option) .
Any ideas anyone?
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adwinp said:
What would you need the DHD for? You've got the Evo.
(Now I'm expecting you to start listing the differences...)
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Aside from the DHD being an all-around better device, Sprint sucks. Their "4G" network is slower than my T-Mobile 3G. Not to mention I pay $60/month with T-Mobile and the cheapest Evo plan is $90/month.
ekerbuddyeker said:
No, I have an Aria after my t9193 hd2 died last week (was 3g here in US and Europe). I was waiting for the dhd so its a stop gap. Or so u thought. I'm on ATT so looks like, if I want 3g, I either keep this or get the Galaxy (but I want sense). Or move to Verizon (not an option) .
Any ideas anyone?
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If you want a high-end Android device you have the Captivate, and that's about it for AT&T. Unfortunately AT&T put all their eggs in one basket with the iPhone so their Android lineup suffers. You could always go to T-Mobile and get the G2
Does this mean that the phone will not work at all (e.g. cant make or receive calls or txts) or does it mean that you can't use data via 3G (just means you have to use wi-fi)?
mentalinc said:
Does this mean that the phone will not work at all (e.g. cant make or receive calls or txts) or does it mean that you can't use data via 3G (just means you have to use wi-fi)?
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It means no 3G data in the US. The phone still supports 850/900/1800/1900 for 2G networks so you'll be able to do calls, texts, MMS, and even data. It's just that you'll be on Edge instead of 3G.
PERHAPS THERE will be a Telstra version?
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PERHAPS THERE will be a Telstra version?
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I wish but this time I am afraid our luck is a little short unlike last time for the HD2 . Let's just hope that HTC will bring out a much more powerful device sometimes in Q1 2011 for users with 3G (850/1900Mhz)
Has anyone found succes using the Samsung Galaxy Tab or other tablets on the WIND Mobile network?
Wind's 1700 band is not supported, it will never work.
phonearena.com /phones/compare/Samsung-GALAXY-Tab-10.1-T-Mobile,Motorola-DROID-XYBOARD-10.1/phones/6267,6686
according to this source the Tab (at least a T Mobile version of it) supports UMTS 1700 which is Wind's frequency?
Can anyone confirm the model variation or the spec frequency?
For the sake of argument let's say this is the case. Is it as simple as putting the sim car into the (perhaps unlocked) device?
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Wind's 1700 band is not supported, it will never work.
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The t-mobile one will work. It's HSPA+ 42Mb. (or so im told) Not sure what wind uses
ikeny said:
Wind's 1700 band is not supported, it will never work.
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I'm referring to the ones sold in Canada
http://www.wirelesswave.ca/rogers-tablets/device.asp?Device=338
Hey that's fine too. I was just asking generally. Guess I won't be buying mine in Canada then
I'm using the T-Mobile version on WIND. Typing this message on it as I speak. Picked mine up on eBay, but if you're not travelling down to the US, you can pick oneup through adorama.com. You'll pay full retail and the shipping charges add a bit more, but they'll ship it to Canada. Through wifI, you can download an app for a few bucks that will SIM unlock it.
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