Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
1. Hard-SPL
2. Flash custom ROM
3. Insert SIM
That's what I did to get it working on Telus' 850mhz 3G. I remember the dude who made the huge thread about being the first in the US with a T9193 saying it was similarly easy.
If you just put your AT&T SIM in, you'll be able to send/receive texts, and make calls, but Telstra has the data connection settings locked down pretty heavily in the stock ROM...
OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
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OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
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As far as I know you don't need to change the radio.
I didn't have to.
Great, thanks.
What type of price did you get? I see them from less than $700 to more than $900.
WhyBe said:
Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
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You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
harolds said:
You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
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Yes, based on what I am reading, getting the Telstra model with 850MHz 3G band should be compatible with 850MHz 3G AT&T in the U.S.
The designated-"U.S." model is designed for T-Mobile 3G (1700MHz or 2100MHz)
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(1700MHz AND 2100MHz)
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I fixed that for you -- phones won't work on T-Mobile 3G without BOTH 1700 and 2100.
Related
Well as (some/most?) of you know, getting a european phone to work on north american frequencies with 3g is hit and miss...
6 months ago, with an xperia x1i, I couldn't get 3g anywhere... but now its pretty much good in most of my city, so this is great...
So I thought... my friend has an N900 (3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100 / 900) and it will NOT go to 3g.
the x1i is 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
Also, my i8910 (before it got lost) worked on 3g here, and its bands are 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100
last but not least, my i8000 (omnia 2) works on the 3g where the x1i and i8910 do, having 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100
So I've come to the conclusion that 1900 is the new frequency that my operator has opened up lately for 3g.
I was thinking of upgrading to the hd2 just on the grounds that it seems like a winmo powerhouse, but the fact that it doesn't have hspa/3g on 1900 sucks...
does anybody know if htc will be bringing a north american specific version any time soon like sony has with the x1a ?
This thread <<HERE>>. Speaks on how the TELSTRA operator in Australia is the way to go if you are with AT&T in the US or Rogers if you live in Canada.
Most people migrated to this operators version to get 3G in the US unless you are T-Mobile which uses a completely different band.
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This thread <<HERE>>. Speaks on how the TELSTRA operator in Australia is the way to go if you are with AT&T in the US or Rogers if you live in Canada.
Most people migrated to this operators version to get 3G in the US unless you are T-Mobile which uses a completely different band.
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So its special hardware or just a rom update will unlock it?
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So its special hardware or just a rom update will unlock it?
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It absolutely a special version of the HD2. No software upgrade can convert any device when it comes to band frequency discrepancies.
Look <<HERE>> for detailed band info.
band27 said:
It absolutely a special version of the HD2. No software upgrade can convert any device when it comes to band frequency discrepancies.
Look <<HERE>> for detailed band info.
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cool, good stuff!
So the aussie/telstra version will have 850 instead of 900? Is it available online anywhere?
nvm i found some links
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cool, good stuff!
So the aussie/telstra version will have 850 instead of 900? Is it available online anywhere?
nvm i found some links
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Yep, just look for the telstra next g version (HD2 T9193)
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Yep, just look for the telstra next g version (HD2 T9193)
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cool man thx for the quick reply! (already ordered one ) can't wait to play some psx games! !!
I almost tired of making iphone users cry with 720p recording and amoled display on the i8910 , this should renew my joy in the sport.
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cool man thx for the quick reply! (already ordered one ) can't wait to play some psx games! !!
I almost tired of making iphone users cry with 720p recording and amoled display on the i8910 , this should renew my joy in the sport.
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Which website have your ordered this from?
Hello if someone could help me with my 3G connection inquiry, I would greatly appreciate it.
I bought this phone unlocked from Hong Kong and brought it back to Canada. But the 3G connection through Rogers won't work. I am able to connect to edge (When i pop in my sisters sim card which has a data plan, as my sim card currently does not have a data plan).
I talked to Rogers and they said that everything is compatable (After mentioning the phone frequencies and speed capabilities) and that the only reason 3G isnt working is that I have not configured my phone properly for 3G and at this moment it is configured for 2G (Edge).
I then contacted HTC and they said the reason was because "for the Rogers network, their 3G signal is operated on the 850/1900 MHZ band and the Touch HD2 operates on the 900/2100 MHZ band." Could this be the reason? Will i never taste the pleasures of a 3G connection?
PLEASE HELP!!
since you have bought it in hongkong most probably you have the asian version. It comes with 900/2100 MHZ bands and as you mentioned ROger needs 850/1900 frequency.
You could also get Telstra version from Australia and unlock it as it has 850/1900 frquency so that you could get 3g. But not possible on the one you already have.
Yea its the frequencies. When I take my phones abroad, I always check what frequencies the country has. If the frequencies don't match, the phone won't work in terms of placing calls, 3G etc.
is there a way to unlock ?
meow914 said:
is there a way to unlock ?
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There is no software that can get around this "problem"
It is purely a hardware limitation.
perhaps with flashing radio but i'm not shure
[email protected] said:
perhaps with flashing radio but i'm not shure
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Nope, it still will not support the correct bands that he needs
This is a completely hardware related problem
simple solution....
simple solution...sell it or trade it fot the right one
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).
pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!
At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.
erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands
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hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it
Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5
Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?
OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused
Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?
JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John
I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G
Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)
I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..
Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!
I purchased an HTC Desire to use with my AT&T service. My Desire is GSM/WCDMA and not GSM/UMTS. Meaning, that my Desire can not run on anything but EDGE. I spoke with a rep at HTC and he let me know that there may be an APP to unlock the 3G service... Does anyone have any information on this?
Thank you kindly in advance...
~HR
isn't WCDMA = UMTS?
That's what I thought too, but the HTC rep, let me know that I can only unlock 3G with an App. That because I have an import and it's not currently available in the U.S. I would need to find this app and unlock my 3G service. The Desire wont pick up AT&T's 3G...
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isn't WCDMA = UMTS?
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Yes........
I think it might be a frequency issue.
As far as I'm aware there are two models of Desire - A8181 and A8183.
In Australia, the model is the A8183 which provides WCDMA/UMTS at 850 and 2100 mhz. I think the A8181 operates at 900 and 2100 mhz.
If you imported from anywhere else other than Australia you'll most likely have a model A8181.
What frequency is AT&T 3g?
I do have an A8181. AT&T currently uses 850 and 1900 mhz...
Do you think there is a fix for this like the HTC rep mentioned?
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I think it might be a frequency issue.
As far as I'm aware there are two models of Desire - A8181 and A8183.
In Australia, the model is the A8183 which provides WCDMA/UMTS at 850 and 2100 mhz. I think the A8181 operates at 900 and 2100 mhz.
If you imported from anywhere else other than Australia you'll most likely have a model A8181.
What frequency is AT&T 3g?
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AT&T uses 850/2100 like Telstra does in AU.
If you have the A8181 you are stuck with 900/2100. I think it's a hardware thing so an app probably wont help, not 100% sure about that though.
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That's what I thought too, but the HTC rep, let me know that I can only unlock 3G with an App. That because I have an import and it's not currently available in the U.S. I would need to find this app and unlock my 3G service. The Desire wont pick up AT&T's 3G...
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You bought the wrong phone ?(A8181)! As has been previously mentioned, you need an Australian Telstra Desire (A8183) to support AT&Ts 3G.
There is nothing that can be done about this because the hardware is different. You should sell your A8181 and buy an A8183.
Regards,
Dave
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I do have an A8181. AT&T currently uses 850 and 1900 mhz...
Do you think there is a fix for this like the HTC rep mentioned?
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Sorry to say , but I don't think so. the differences are in the hardware, not software.
You could always keep your device and change carrier? I presume someone in your area might use 2100 mhz??
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You could always keep your device and change carrier? I presume someone in your area might use 2100 mhz??
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Unfortunately not - the only other major GSM operator in the US is T-Mobile, and they use a split band of 1700/2100 and requires support for both to work.
Regards,
Dave
Does anyone wanna trade an A8183 for my A8181????
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Unfortunately not - the only other major GSM operator in the US is T-Mobile, and they use a split band of 1700/2100 and requires support for both to work.
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Dave
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Bugger! And I thought Australia had crappy providers
@Hugo - good luck with your sale. The device is incredibly popular in Europe, so eBay might be your best friend for a buyer.
i will
i' happy to trade with yours i got htc 8183 for 10 days
im running different operator than telstra so i would like a free wwe rom
Hi,
Seeing as most heroes including mine are on the GSM band of 900MHz and not the 850MHz that for some reason Telstra decided to use in rural areas, is it possible to flash another radio to 'unlock' (right word?) the 850MHz band to allow HSDPA speeds for me as opposed to the Edge network?
If this is possible, does anyone know where to get the radio for this?
TIA
hero doesn't have radio hardware, ain't it?
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hero doesn't have radio hardware, ain't it?
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and how would you make a call then?
I think he meant FM? It still has that via headphones. Any ideas on topic would be nice though
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its not possible, as the hero radio hardware itself is not capable of 850mhz umts/3g band.
Unfortunately, theres no way to simply 'unlock' it, as it doesnt exist.
Killafish is SOOOOOO WRONG
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its not possible, as the hero radio hardware itself is not capable of 850mhz umts/3g band.
Unfortunately, theres no way to simply 'unlock' it, as it doesnt exist.
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So very wrong! Are you serious? You know there is more than one version of the Hero right? Euro, NAM, AU, and CDMA. NAM and AU have 850MHz UMTS.
What about the Telus or Telstra hero's? They use 850 in Canada and in Australia. Why would those carriers sell the Hero if it doesn't have the correct freq for their network? I have a Telus Hero and it has 850UMTS. Seriously, if you don't know the answer, don't say anything.
In my experience the best Radio file for good 850 Reception is the 09.26 radio. If you search you will find it.
Here it is...
I tried posting the radio file but it is too large for XDA. Sorry.
regarding to the HTC site the hero has those freqs:
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Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
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850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and I think these should work with all radio versions.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/specification.html
but it does not have FM.
I forgot to mention that my Hero is not a native Australian Hero but a UK Hero which means the UMTS frequencies are: 900/2100 MHz.
Will flashing another radio give me 850/2100 MHz? (is the original question I should have asked) Telstra run 850MHz in Rural areas and 2100MHz in metro areas. Why on Earth can't Telcos all run on the same frequencies!?
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I forgot to mention that my Hero is not a native Australian Hero but a UK Hero which means the UMTS frequencies are: 900/2100 MHz.
Will flashing another radio give me 850/2100 MHz? (is the original question I should have asked) Telstra run 850MHz in Rural areas and 2100MHz in metro areas. Why on Earth can't Telcos all run on the same frequencies!?
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No, it won't. The HW says 900/2100, SW won't change that.
Because they're douches. Mine is also the 900/2100, else I would've suggested a swap. :V
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No, it won't. The HW says 900/2100, SW won't change that.
Because they're douches. Mine is also the 900/2100, else I would've suggested a swap. :V
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Damn, not what I was hoping for but thanks for the reply
I wholeheartedly agree. Looks like I'll be cracking open the Desire when I get home instead of flogging it off on fleabay
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So very wrong! Are you serious? You know there is more than one version of the Hero right? Euro, NAM, AU, and CDMA. NAM and AU have 850MHz UMTS.
What about the Telus or Telstra hero's? They use 850 in Canada and in Australia. Why would those carriers sell the Hero if it doesn't have the correct freq for their network? I have a Telus Hero and it has 850UMTS. Seriously, if you don't know the answer, don't say anything.
In my experience the best Radio file for good 850 Reception is the 09.26 radio. If you search you will find it.
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as has been made clear, he has an Australian Hero which only has 900/2100 3g bands. I probably should have stated I was assuming that when I posted my comment.
The Hero was never sold via carriers in Australia, only through electronic retailers, hence Telstra never actually sold the phone.