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So I've learned more about android so far than I intended or expected. I haven't needed to learn about or implement a2sd but at this point my "keepers" app collection has me down to just over 20mb free internal storage so I'm considering taking the plunge.
I haven't used a2sd yet for two reasons:
A) I haven't needed it
B) I've read lots of threads regarding difficulty with setting it up and maintaining it when switching or updating roms
So what's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is there any performance gain or is it strictly a storage benefit?
Should I go ahead and learn about it so it's in place when the time comes that I want to use it or am I better off with my current rule of thumb? Which is "if I think I NEED a2sd then I probably NEED to reevaluate my app library".
Thanks guys
nebenezer said:
So I've learned more about android so far than I intended or expected. I haven't needed to learn about or implement a2sd but at this point my "keepers" app collection has me down to just over 20mb free internal storage so I'm considering taking the plunge.
I haven't used a2sd yet for two reasons:
A) I haven't needed it
B) I've read lots of threads regarding difficulty with setting it up and maintaining it when switching or updating roms
So what's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is there any performance gain or is it strictly a storage benefit?
Should I go ahead and learn about it so it's in place when the time comes that I want to use it or am I better off with my current rule of thumb which is "if I think I NEED a2sd then I probably NEED to reevaluate my app library"
Thanks guys
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Unless you are running out of space on your phone, I wouldn't worry about it. It is supposed to be faster if you have one of the $100 8gb class 10 thingys but I don't know if its true. its fast enough already
My vote: Nay
I have never used it and have never run short of space on my phone. From all the millions of posts on the subject I can't imagine it being worth the huge pain in the ass it seems to be!
I use it, as I have and do run out of space on /data.
I have a 16 GB class 2, so I've always refrained. I'm not running out of space, but I usually decide whether or not I like an app right after I install it and if I don't like it, uninstall.
So, to answer your question...
I don't know, I'm curious myself.
I use, ran out of space on my phone the first week so was excited to do it. it was a piece of cake to set up with RA 1.6.2, and switching roms has been no big deal, I usually first try to update without wiping ext, and 9 times out of 10 it works fine and I don't have to download my apps again (though you do lose data, but that can be backed with titanium. If it does mess up, it's no big deal, I adb pull the apps out with a * and they're all on my computer pretty quickly so I can reinstall as necessary.
jonnythan said:
I use it, as I have and do run out of space on /data.
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Do you mean to say that even using a2sd you STILL run out of space on /data?
funcrusher said:
I have a 16 GB class 2, so I've always refrained. I'm not running out of space, but I usually decide whether or not I like an app right after I install it and if I don't like it, uninstall.
So, to answer your question...
I don't know, I'm curious myself.
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lol, I was hoping this poll would benefit more than just myself
Like I said, I keep my app list pretty clean but 20mb as low as I've seen yet.
nebenezer said:
Do you mean to say that even using a2sd you STILL run out of space on /data?
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No, no, definitely not.
jonnythan said:
No, no, definitely not.
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ok, thanks!
I love a2sd cause I have a 8g card vs a small internal storage space on the phone. A2sd is very easy.
1. Backup your SD card on computer.
2. Root your phone if you haven't.
3. Partition your SD card via the recovery menu(I used 512mb for my ext2).
4. In the same menu at that below it change it from ext2 to ext3.
5. After complete put all of your files back on your SD card that you saved to your computer.
6. Then mostly every new 2.1 ROM has it built in now where it runs from the first bootup with no patching or user issues. Just make sure you look in the description of the ROM to make sure.
I'm running Fresh 2.0d. I just upgraded to a new 8g SD card for more music and movie storage space. So I just re-did the process. The longest part is waiting for the files to be transfered to/from the computer.
doeboy1984 said:
I love a2sd cause I have a 8g card vs a small internal storage space on the phone. A2sd is very easy.
1. Backup your SD card on computer.
2. Root your phone if you haven't.
3. Partition your SD card via the recovery menu(I used 512mb for my ext2).
4. In the same menu at that below it change it from ext2 to ext3.
5. After complete put all of your files back on your SD card that you saved to your computer.
6. Then mostly every new 2.1 ROM has it built in now where it runs from the first bootup with no patching or user issues. Just make sure you look in the description of the ROM to make sure.
I'm running Fresh 2.0d. I just upgraded to a new 8g SD card for more music and movie storage space. So I just re-did the process. The longest part is waiting for the files to be transfered to/from the computer.
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I would skip the ext3 part if I were you, kills your sd card faster
I know some people were having so trouble with some of the ROM's cause they were in ext2 but no one was having any problems while using ext3 s thats why I posted that. To help alleviate that issue
Vrekk said:
I would skip the ext3 part if I were you, kills your sd card faster
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I don't know why they even made this an option. I have a feeling the people implementing this have no knowledge of filesystems which is frightening....
For those of you running it:
What class cards do you have?
feld said:
I don't know why they even made this an option. I have a feeling the people implementing this have no knowledge of filesystems which is frightening....
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feld,
Care to post a brief run-down of the difference between ext2 and ext3?
funcrusher said:
For those of you running it:
What class cards do you have?
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I'm using a class 6.
jonnythan said:
I'm using a class 6.
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See, if I had a class 6 I probably would have tried it out by now. Afraid that my class 2 will slow down apps etc. ;\
I've had no problems with a class 2 8gb.
I have a class 6 on order.
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See, if I had a class 6 I probably would have tried it out by now. Afraid that my class 2 will slow down apps etc. ;\
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I doubt it, actually. The class rating only refers to the minimum write speed in an optimal situation. Read speeds seem to be decently high across the board. You'll probably never notice any difference, if there even is one.
jonnythan said:
I doubt it, actually. The class rating only refers to the minimum write speed in an optimal situation. Read speeds seem to be decently high across the board. You'll probably never notice any difference, if there even is one.
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Yeah? What do you think about the 2.5 version or whatever that moves your dalvik over as well?
After perm-root, is the rest of the NAND available?
joebobjoe said:
After perm-root, is the rest of the NAND available?
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Well, simply rooting isn't going to magically open up the internal storage; that's why it's still listed as 1.1x GB after. The root just came out this morning; just like us patient people gave the devs to root, give them time to fiddle with the storage. They'll probably figure it out soon enough.
Fortunately the storage is still a crapload. I've gone from what... 1.16GB? stock to 1.1GB, and I don't see myself using the rest of it at all.
Yup, I don't even think I need all that space. Right now I have 888MB free, and that is with ALL my apps installed on phone memory, as I prefer not moving to SD Card...
I just wanted to ask, does moving to SD Card do anything other than free up space of the phone memory? If it does make stuff run faster etc, then only I see a reason to move apps to sd card..
Freeing up space is the only real benefit for Androids native apps2sd...
Apps2ext on the other hand, was really nice to have if you like trying out different roms.
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franky1029 said:
Freeing up space is the only real benefit for Androids native apps2sd...
Apps2ext on the other hand, was really nice to have if you like trying out different roms.
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On the G1 they where able to re-allocate memory from the GPU to the CPU to increase the speed of the G1 at the cost of 3D games. Believe Cyanogen did this, Yes, 1.x gigs is plenty BUT, what if the rest of the "4 gigs" could be focused on the GPU side of things to increase FPS? hehe Counter Strike on the G2..rofl Maybe using the other space for a full linux distro? a dual boot?
Dual Boot could be very nice, yes..
That actually sounds quite viable.
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Title says it all,
Are the developers here moving to the new developer phone or no?
Can we please forget some of the setbacks for this device and realize what a gem we have? The amazing CPU doesn't miss a beat and I believe is more reliable then the hyped dual cores. (TOO MUCH HYPE !!) 16gb of ROM is plenty enough.
Pure Google is the way too go.
Ok...
16GB of ROM is nice... but are we able to EXT partition that and do the proper apps2sd instead of the stupid froyo based implementation of it the same as we could an SD card? Or does this not matter as it should be mounted automatically anyway? I'm not sure how all that works with built in memory.
lostinbeta said:
16GB of ROM is nice... but are we able to EXT partition that and do the proper apps2sd instead of the stupid froyo based implementation of it the same as we could an SD card? Or does this not matter as it should be mounted automatically anyway? I'm not sure how all that works with built in memory.
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Same here. Does this mean all storage is available for apps ?
This is very interesting.
If the developers go to the Nexus S, that is where I will going. That is.. if it gets as many ROMs the Nexus One has.
xManMythLegend said:
Same here. Does this mean all storage is available for apps ?
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I'm guessing that about 2GBS will be avaliable for apps. All I know is that it's enough and I REALLY can't wait much longer for this thing to come
I was wondering about that. Awesome. Still torn whether or not I want to retire my N1 yet....
Regarding apps2ext/sd. Why would that be needed if there is 1-2GB of app storage? The N1 has about 200mb. I still haven't filled that up.
El Daddy said:
I was wondering about that. Awesome. Still torn whether or not I want to retire my N1 yet....
Regarding apps2ext/sd. Why would that be needed if there is 1-2GB of app storage? The N1 has about 200mb. I still haven't filled that up.
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If it's 1-2GB storage then I personally won't need EXT, but as it stands if your app storage goes below a certain amount you start to get irritating alerts and your text messages and such stop going through... and if I don't use EXT I reach that point and it's rather annoying.
I hear ya.
Wouldn't it be nice If the user was allowed to partition the remaining internal storage at first boot?
Lets say the nexus s has 14GB left over after /system, radio, etc. It would be cool to decide how much of that space you wanted allocated to apps.
It may be a stupid or impossible idea. I don't know haha.
El Daddy said:
I hear ya.
Wouldn't it be nice If the user was allowed to partition the remaining internal storage at first boot?
Lets say the nexus s has 14GB left over after /system, radio, etc. It would be cool to decide how much of that space you wanted allocated to apps.
It may be a stupid or impossible idea. I don't know haha.
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That would be awesome lmfaoo..
I'm ready to retire anything for this.
Cyanogen?!?!
Any word yet on if he's going to make this *HIS* official device the way he did with the G1 and then the Nexus One? That'll be the biggest factor for me... Or does he only choose devices that end in 1/One?
So this is iphone stile no sd??
N1
fcisco13 said:
So this is iphone stile no sd??
N1
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Yes, sucks. And there is no dual processors. Get a mt4g instead
Quick84 said:
Any word yet on if he's going to make this *HIS* official device the way he did with the G1 and then the Nexus One? That'll be the biggest factor for me... Or does he only choose devices that end in 1/One?
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Look at the support the Evo is getting and its not HIS device. Cyanogen has plenty of love to go around
.... I hope
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I know several other phones get support, but nothing like the G1 did or the Nexus One does... That's all I'm saying...
As for the MT4G, I HATE the MyTouch overlay on everything. It's not a genius button, it's a goofball button... I still will miss the trackball of the N1 and the color customization that comes with it.
he he
I was thinking, this great community has discovered and successfully enabled the hidden FM radio function on Nexus One.
Could there be a hidden SD slot on Nexus S?
I don't think the FM Radio wasn't hidden iirc, It was never programmed into the kernel or the phone. I guess we did learn as a community that the N1 had the right hardware just no software support.
Quick84 said:
I know several other phones get support, but nothing like the G1 did or the Nexus One does... That's all I'm saying...
As for the MT4G, I HATE the MyTouch overlay on everything. It's not a genius button, it's a goofball button... I still will miss the trackball of the N1 and the color customization that comes with it.
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That's what custom roms are for. Look like ppl wit be losing more than trackball colors on the nexus s. I was gonna get it also, but after the specs, no thanks
for the memory issue, most likely the NS will follow the GS style of 2GB for apps and about 13GB as the "sd card"
As far as cyanogen goes, i sent him a couple messages on twitter asking his thoughts on the Nexus S and he ignored them. and he hasn't said anything about it on his own so IDK.
They have had MASSIVE issues getting CM to work on any of the samsung devices, but with this one being stock google and being the dev phone, it should be easier to get CM working.
Anyway I don't think Nexus S is enough to be a developer phone.
While most other Android phones have SD and trackball support, Nexus S has neither, how can it still be a developer phone? I thought developer phone should have everything that other phones have.
I think Nexus One is a wonderful developer phone, despite front-camera, there's nothing else that Nexus One is lack of.
not sure if anyone remembers me here but ive moved on the the motorola photon and gave my wife my hero which she wanted fully stock
unrooted.............. well today she finally cracked and begged me to fix her phone, so i rooted it and put cm7 on it with data2ext 1gb mod needless to say she is super happy and now is curious about the different roms and mods for her phone...... so looks like ill be lurking around here again..... wohoooo knew it had to happen sooner or later by the way anyone due for an upgrade soon i highly recommend the photon incredible phone does everything you tweak others to do straight out the box.... thanks to all the awesome devs here for opening my wife's eyes big smile here guys have a great one
what's data2ext mod? I googled it but didn't find anything on what it dose.
zeroshot said:
what's data2ext mod? I googled it but didn't find anything on what it dose.
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Its a set of scripts that change the mount points so that your data partition gets mounted to a ext2/3/4 partion on the sdcard instead of internal storage.
zeroshot said:
what's data2ext mod? I googled it but didn't find anything on what it dose.
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allows you to have way more storage space gave my wife 1gb of app storage
o I did it that way before, didn't seem to be any different then apps on the sd.
Just seems more automatic and cleaner to me flash zip input code into terminal reboot and everything is all good
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I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
ndwgs said:
I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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Use a Root capable file explorer and create a file in your /datadata folder named .nodatadata (the one on the root of your phone)
After you reboot, it will take much longer than usual, all your installs will move to that folder and you can then install as many apps as you have "Internal Storage".
If you somehow manage to fill this up you can move your largest apps to your Internal SDCARD
Raistline said:
Use a Root capable file explorer and create a file in your /datadata folder named .nodatadata (the one on the root of your phone)
After you reboot, it will take much longer than usual, all your installs will move to that folder and you can then install as many apps as you have "Internal Storage".
If you somehow manage to fill this up you can move your largest apps to your Internal SDCARD
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But isn't it that you use the MicroSD card for this?
Let's make it clear, Internal SD is the Vibrant's and MicroSD is that small sd card.
And maybe I'm just looking at this aspect way to differently. I was under the impression when we do this, and I have done this, it pretty much the same concept as having Apps2SD, right? Or am I wrong still?
(Please, prove me wrong, and explain. No harm)
ndwgs said:
I just wondered, I'm not sure if this was ever brought up...
Lately, some of my friends have been passing all of their old phones such as Nexus S, Nex4g, HTC HD2, and SGS4G.
Well, I notice that the HTC HD2 and the Nexus S 4G can be partitioned or somehow manipulated that you can install endless apps on that partition. However, even though it is almost the same hardware as the Nexus S, nobody, or has had even tried to do what the Sprint S4G devs has done.
On the vibrant, it always shows that you got about 300 or less MB to install apps. But the problem is, when you overload that, your games/apps/etc., starts to just force close. I noticed that.
So, I searched the Vibrant threads and found nothing or no one has ever increased the amount of MB in their ROM.
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You must not be using the stock ROM, because that's not a problem on stock. On ROMs where this is the case, however, it is the /datadata partition that's limited. Raistline's .nodatadata solution will work - I'm running that way myself - but you will lose the speed bonus given by using /datadata. The /datadata partition cannot be resized in the way you suggest. I was looking into this too, but apparently the boot process (at least in Passion, the ROM I use) looks for the partitions to be a certain size. If they're not, it has problems. So resizing is not an option. You can either have only ~300MB and have fast operations, or you can get more than that and things can be laggy. (Mind you, it's not very laggy, like I said I am using .nodatadata and everything seems fine.)
300 MB or less for apps? I have 2gb which is plenty
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manus ferrera said:
300 MB or less for apps? I have 2gb which is plenty
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Certain custom ROMs have this restriction. Stock usually does not, and other custom ROMs might not.
woofiegrrl said:
You must not be using the stock ROM, because that's not a problem on stock. On ROMs where this is the case, however, it is the /datadata partition that's limited. Raistline's .nodatadata solution will work - I'm running that way myself - but you will lose the speed bonus given by using /datadata. The /datadata partition cannot be resized in the way you suggest. I was looking into this too, but apparently the boot process (at least in Passion, the ROM I use) looks for the partitions to be a certain size. If they're not, it has problems. So resizing is not an option. You can either have only ~300MB and have fast operations, or you can get more than that and things can be laggy. (Mind you, it's not very laggy, like I said I am using .nodatadata and everything seems fine.)
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Ok, I see.
I just got done messing with ICS Neobuddy, odin'ed to stock, and now running MoPed's Jetpack v9. I don't think this port is stock, but it's as close to stock 2.3.5
Later this week, i'll try out Saurom by Dgr8, and it's 2.3.6.
How did you input .nodatadata on Passion, since it isn't a 'stock' rom?
You think this will be laggy on any Ginger?
It's just a matter of creating a blank file called .nodatadata within the /datadata folder. I did it in a terminal window with "touch .nodatadata" but other methods will work too. If you search for .nodatadata you will find various posts with instructions.
the .nodatadata method allows you to install more than 512MB of apps on the phone, it will allow you to use the full 1.8GB App storage that your phone has stock.
Anything beyond that you can use move the app to SDCARD, which is the phones Internal 16GB of storage. Not all apps are able to use SDCARD installs though.
woofiegrrl said:
It's just a matter of creating a blank file called .nodatadata within the /datadata folder. I did it in a terminal window with "touch .nodatadata" but other methods will work too. If you search for .nodatadata you will find various posts with instructions.
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Oh yeh, i know how, i was just curious how it works or why it worked in Passion. Ok, im jumping ship and flashing Passion.
Raistline said:
the .nodatadata method allows you to install more than 512MB of apps on the phone, it will allow you to use the full 1.8GB App storage that your phone has stock.
Anything beyond that you can use move the app to SDCARD, which is the phones Internal 16GB of storage. Not all apps are able to use SDCARD installs though.
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Thanks Raistline