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Will there be a custom rom scene?

I'm thinking of coming over from an iPhone 3gs and although I love this phone, I think a robust custom ROM scene is a must for me. I tried the Captivate, but the broken GPS and bad AT&T service was enough for me to return it and wait and see how the Epic 4g works out.
I know the Evo has a lot more attention, but I'm not really willing to give it a go with all of its nasty hardware flaws.
Thoughts? Maybe I should just wait for a different phone (but I love this one >_>)?

agras said:
I'm thinking of coming over from an iPhone 3gs and although I love this phone, I think a robust custom ROM scene is a must for me. I tried the Captivate, but the broken GPS and bad AT&T service was enough for me to return it and wait and see how the Epic 4g works out.
I know the Evo has a lot more attention, but I'm not really willing to give it a go with all of its nasty hardware flaws.
Thoughts? Maybe I should just wait for a different phone (but I love this one >_>)?
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The Evo has a been scene because Developers got a free one in the last Google I/O. The Epic 4G will take sometime until a fully development community is in place. By that time there will be better phones, since we are near Christmas.

This is a really good point. Hmm, I have some thinking to do I suppose.

That was a pretty ridiculous reply on which to base your opinion. Of course there will be custom ROMs. There's one about to be released any day now, and this phone's only been out for about 5 minutes. This is a killer device... the chefs will come out of the woodwork shortly. They always do.
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bigray327 said:
That was a pretty ridiculous reply on which to base your opinion. Of course there will be custom ROMs. There's one about to be released any day now, and this phone's only been out for about 5 minutes. This is a killer device... the chefs will come out of the woodwork shortly. They always do.
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+1 on this one...
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+1 on this one...
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+2, heh... Hardware flaws aye, well my evo is pretty much flawless...
No offense, but you kinda sound like your talking out of your @ss & need to do your homework... The epic community will grow rampant in due time...Not trying to sound like every other flaming jerk, but err, ahh...
Sent from my phone.

I know this is near impossible, but I'm hoping for a ROM with HTC Sense element support. I want me some flipping clock action.

The Moment still has a rom scene and that thing is a disaster that Samsung flat out refused to fix (ie: They couldn't and just abandoned the unit).
I have a feeling the GPS issue is actually solvable on the Epic and I'm praying so is the nasty power usage killing peoples batteries when they want to do crazy stuff like use the phone for something other than making a phone call.
The only concerning thing is the stupid upload cap that makes absolutely no sense. I mean, Samsung HAD to learn a lesson from MomentGate right? They HAVE to actually support this... Rite?

Im done with android ...!!!!

Ok so im not posting this to be flammed or anything but more just to vent and for some opinions. But im really starting to get irritated with android and it's inability to come out with update in a timely manner, and i understand that alot has to do with the carrier to having to test it . But when you have all these android phones being made by 10 different manufacturers with really no limitations so they can all make there own flavor of android with different ui skins and, screen res, processors, file systems... etc. It is ridiculous cause there can't just be one kind of froyo nope , now there is froyo with sense , and touchwiz froyo, and for all the other different kinds of custom manufacturers skins that are thrown in. Which in my opinion makes it really difficult to be able to keep up with updates in a timely manner, and then on top of that samsung releases the fascinate that is supposed to get upgraded to froyo but instead of trying to get that pushed out they get the galaxy tab out with froyo hmmmm why not the fascinate no one knows and now the nexus s gets pushed out with gingerbread but what was that once again no froyo out for the fascinate i hope i am making sense with all this. Anyways as soon as Vzw get a WP7 phone that i like or the iphone 4 im leaving android, mainly for a smoother os and one that isn't so open that updates never happen. I would like some opinions on if im just impatient or if my whole venting session does make some sense to anyone, and if anyone agrees and is thinking the same as i am.
Ahhhhh i feel better... kinda

I didn't read any of your post because nobody cares. gtfo. This forum was not made for a ragfest.

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Going to chalk it up to impatience.

thatdudebutch said:
I didn't read any of your post because nobody cares. gtfo. This forum was not made for a ragfest.
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As i said im not trying to get flammed just opinions so if you don't have a helpful opinion then don't bother posting trying to be a ****...

Didn't read.
Just came by to lol
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I have to say I will never own another device unless it is an android. There are so many things that my D2 does that my friends Iphone 4's and Windows7's just can't do.

nerdslogic said:
I have to say I will never own another device unless it is an android. There are so many things that my D2 does that my friends Iphone 4's and Windows7's just can't do.
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Oh believe and that is why i do like android but maybe its just i get bored with a device to easily, this is my 4th android device this year lol. But the whole long periodsof time to get updates to fix bugs is getting to the point i just want something new, cause i love the fascinate and im gonna keep it for a backup/toy just feel the need for something new. Android just isn't cutting it for me anymore.

I love Android and the Fascinate in general and I think this whole 2.2 froyo update thing has blown absurdly out of overrated proportion! Yes 2.2 will be cool but alot of people are thinking it's going to be the awesome of all awesomes but it isn't? Aside from flash and app2sd there isn't a whole lot to speak about (thats going to be directly noticeable anyhow IMO)? Now, the Samsung Slow to no update record is another thing but we will have to see how that aspect plays out!

Jrex said:
I love Android and the Fascinate in general and I think this whole 2.2 froyo update thing has blown absurdly out of overrated proportion! Yes 2.2 will be cool but alot of people are thinking it's going to be the awesome of all awesomes but it isn't? Aside from flash and app2sd there isn't a whole lot to speak about (thats going to be directly noticeable anyhow IMO)? Now, the Samsung Slow to no update record is another thing but we will have to see how that aspect plays out!
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Agreed froyo isn't all that great i know i had it on 2 other devices just the fact of this device should have it. But very much agreed

Do you really think that new iPhone or Windows device you get will update to a new OS within a few months of its release? The only difference is that you start with lower expectations for Windows or the iPhone.

I Think your Just Fed up With waiting for an update that Probably wont be out for a bit longer. Watch if you Switch devices after a while your gonna come crawling back! they always Do!....On Another Note I Want Froyo for Jit and Flash so I could watch Videos online. Would be Nice >,< and Facebook games LOL!

87jason said:
this is my 4th android device this year lol.
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Sounds like a classic case of spoiled brat syndrome to me. Get a job, quit having your mommy and daddy pay for your little toys and you'll appreciate the phone(s) more.

87jason I came from an iphobe 4 to verizon because of the superior service. I ended up getting the fascinate. I can say also there is nothing that android can do that Iphone doesn't do better. A jailbroken iphone ofcourse.
Themes, widgets, apps iphone wins hands down. There is no denying it. Oh and yes I said widgets.
One phone, once a year... no headaches or worries is something better out. The phone came out in June and still no phone is better hardware wise. Except the gpu is galaxy s is a bit better. But what's the point when there are ZERO APPS.
WAIT FOR IPHONE I AM

I think its more that the fascinate didn't sell well for verizon so them nor samsung are that worried about it. Sux but coming from a flagship like the droid was it had updates all the time but it use to be the big dog.

BigBonkers said:
87jason I came from an iphobe 4 to verizon because of the superior service. I ended up getting the fascinate. I can say also there is nothing that android can do that Iphone doesn't do better. A jailbroken iphone ofcourse.
Themes, widgets, apps iphone wins hands down. There is no denying it. Oh and yes I said widgets.
One phone, once a year... no headaches or worries is something better out. The phone came out in June and still no phone is better hardware wise. Except the gpu is galaxy s is a bit better. But what's the point when there are ZERO APPS.
WAIT FOR IPHONE I AM
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Obvious troll i had 2 iphones prior to my android phones and they are the jitterbugs of the smartphone world. lie to urself all u want but don't try and drag anyone else into ur fantasy world.

87jason said:
Oh believe and that is why i do like android but maybe its just i get bored with a device to easily, this is my 4th android device this year lol. But the whole long periodsof time to get updates to fix bugs is getting to the point i just want something new, cause i love the fascinate and im gonna keep it for a backup/toy just feel the need for something new. Android just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
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Maybe you should stick to Custom ROMS then to keep it interesting, there are loads out there (least until the proper updates come out)

My Fascinate Running GREAT!!!
For all the reasons you want out are the reasons I will always have a android phone.
My next phone will be on Verizon, dual core, front facing cam, android and a Motorola device (unlocked).

onemotodroid said:
For all the reasons you want out are the reasons I will always have a android phone.
My next phone will be on Verizon, dual core, front facing cam, android and a Motorola device (unlocked).
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id bet anything that there will never be an "unlocked" (i assume you are refering to bootloader) motorola device ever again

nitsuj17 said:
id bet anything that there will never be an "unlocked" (i assume you are refering to bootloader) motorola device ever again
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Nope. The "unlocked" part is one reason I went with the Fascinate. I just hope that Froyo gets here soon, so that the development scene can pick up more.

My upgrade is due today...

I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?

I came from an Evo to the Shift. Don't want to go back.

Stuke00 said:
I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?
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It is really a matter of opinion. I had an Epic and I will tell you that there is no other smartphone line on the market that can match the graphics performance of the Hummingbird processor. They won't even come close.
That said, the GPU on the shift is not bad, its just not as good as the one in the SGS line. Personally, I don't play a lot of games on my phone and if I do they are not GPU intensive ones. My wife (she owns the shift and I now have an Evo) plays the sims on her phone and I've never seen it even stutter. I've watched full 1080p avi videos on both phones and never had an issue.
As to the screen, no one can say for you if its an issue. For me, it is. 3.6 is just too small but to my wife its more than enough. My suggestion would be to the sprint store and play with each. If you want the big screen the Evo is great and it has a great development community. If you want the keyboard, even though there doesn't seem to be a lot going on around here there are a lot of great devs would have already switched and are just waiting for permanent root to start releasing some very cool stuff.

For me, I wouldn't get or use my evo without the sprint extended battery for it. That fixes a major evo issue, battery life. It depends on what's most important features on a smartphone. I won't go through all the questions but figure out what you're wanting to do most often and go with the phone which that is it's strongpoints.
None of them do everything well.

I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.

anthonyf27 said:
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.

kenvan19 said:
Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.
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I agree, that's intriguing. Permanent root will happen, the Shift out of the box will blow your Hero away if you're worried about the bloatware.

I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is one day after my 30 day mark.

Zardos66 said:
I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is on day after my 30 day mark.
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I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.

anthonyf27 said:
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!

wardfan220 said:
I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.
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I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!

tps70 said:
I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!
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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.

tps70 said:
Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!
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i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift

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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.
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I may have read where you posted it, but I've also seen it a couple other places including androidcentral.com's forums.

StAlphonso said:
i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift
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I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!

tps70 said:
I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!
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Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.

I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.

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I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.
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Digression or not, +1!

kenvan19 said:
Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.
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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.

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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.
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I do apologize for my harsh opinion. I felt very burned by Sprint and Samsung based on the fact that the sales rep sold me on the epic based on a claim that there would be 4g in my area within 2 months and that the Epic would have 2.2 in less than a month. However, when I came back to have them check out my wife's instinct the same guy told me that the Epic wouldn't be getting FroYo and as you are aware there is no official Froyo for it nor is there 4G in my area. I bought my wife a Shift because I knew she couldn't handle dealing with the Instinct any longer but I bought it off contract so that when hers is up we can leave Sprint and just pay my ETF. If I could get out of Sprint with just paying one ETF I would do it now.

Just Need To Vent

OK I have to get this off my chest and I think I speak for a lot of Epic folks. We love the phone and we really liked it and everything it did. I'm not a tech kinda person but I did know about Froyo and was looking forward to the update. Got it off the Samsung site and have some of the common problems, checker-boarding, bad video in low light, it is frustrating, I was hoping that this ec05 update would fix those problems but we are into the 3rd day and no real confirmations of anyone getting it and no word from Sprint is dissapointing . Look I know that if I want to I can root my phone and install roms but I shouldn't have to do that. Again I got my Epic, not because of a promise of updates but because of what it did, I know in the scheme of things, like life this isn't a huge deal just kinda sad.

I have listened to your rant my son. I sense your deep pain and disappointment. Now that you have accepted your fate as a "always to be disappointed" Samsung customer, you can go forth into the world knowing that there are other who share your feelings.............and there are others who care not. Unfortunately, I am the latter...stop whining and remember that in the grand scheme of things....Froyo changes nothing.
Just kidding...feel your pain bro. I can patiently wait for an update. If they are delays..well I understand that too. I just hate waiting indefinitely for something I expect without any word from Sprint or Samsung. When will they realize..all we want is communication.

Well said sir!

I hear ya. Samsung and Sprint have really dropped the ball, as much as I love my Epic I think my next phone (probably not for a while) will be an HTC.

nemt said:
I hear ya. Samsung and Sprint have really dropped the ball, as much as I love my Epic I think my next phone (probably not for a while) will be an HTC.
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Im just going to get an iphone 5 on verizon

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Im just going to get an iphone 5 on verizon
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Blasphemy !!!!

There's a camera fix out there if that's all you want right now.
Checkerboarding....yeh I feel your pain there. It's not too bad if you take it slow though.

I love my epic; love it more with a nice custom rom running ec05.
Beauty of android is the custom OS; can't get that with an iPhone. You're stuck with what ever Apple releases and that is that.
Samsung hardware is good; just sprint and samsung are slow with updates. They'll be slower still because of the problems with EB13.
My daughters have the shift; it was much more of a hassle to root than my epic was that is for sure. I think Samsung embraces the open source developers more than htc does (I know the dev of midNight was contacted by Samsung and not to tell him to stop)
I for 1 am very satisfied, for the above reasons and also because what is running on my phone is a very low priority all things considered.

blu9987 said:
Im just going to get an iphone 5 on verizon
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whoa whoa
let's not go nuts

Really considering selling my atrix for a Sgs2

Please convince me not to do this! I've been really thinking about doing it ='(
I want a better camera , gingerbread , and I heard the gs2 has a better display

i don't understand why you need us to convince you to keep something. it's your own decision. if you want the SGS2, then get it. if you're happy with your atrix, then keep it. we all have different opinions and decisions. make your own, honestly.

lesonal said:
Please convince me not to do this! I've been really thinking about doing it ='(
I want a better camera , gingerbread , and I heard the gs2 has a better display
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I would trade mine in a heartbeat if this bootloader doesn't get unlocked. I am getting sick of the Motorola drama.

Do it. You wont regret it
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Any ideas on a good place to sell the Atrix and buy the SGS2 (or the Samsung Attain which will be the AT&T version of the SGS2)? I'm new on eBay so I'm a little worried that buyers wouldn't buy from me because I don't have any feedback. Any other options?

Think about it, try out the GSII if you are able, look at the dev threads and maybe wait a few weeks to see what the situation is for the Atrix compared to it. I know I certainly will consider it if/when the GSII comes to AT&T.
EDIT: Only other place I can think of is Craigslist. If you post plenty of pictures and a detailed description, that will help.

Just keep it and wait till the next Nexus comes out and then sell it
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Just keep it and wait till the next Nexus comes out and then sell it
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This is what you should do.
Also the processor and GPU on the Atrix is better than the one on the SGSII. When the Atrix gets 2.3 it will do circles around the SGSII.
There are only 2 things that will pull me towards an SGSII
1. Unlocked bootloader (this likely going to be locked when it comes to AT&T)
2. Super Amoled screen
If those are important to you go get it if not keep the atrix. The dev section is booming we might get the bootloader unlocked.

lesonal said:
Please convince me not to do this! I've been really thinking about doing it ='(
I want a better camera , gingerbread , and I heard the gs2 has a better display
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Tired of reading threads like this!
BYE!

I've got both handsets and to be honest the grass isn't necessarily greener on the SGS II side. Geez its a nice handset though, but I still believe 4" is the best size. I've found that the SGS II has a very plastic feel, and the back cover is so thin. I've been in a few situations where I've accidently sat down with the Atrix in my back pocket, and its survived easily, but I worry about doing the same with the SGS II. The SGS II probably isn't the phone I would take out drinking with the boys on a Friday night - I'm sure I would easily break it.
If you're looking for a speed comparison between Gingerbread handsets, it runs just as smooth on the SGS II as it does on my Nexus S (yes I also have the NS). There's no real difference between them IMO, (even though the Nexus S is single core). Where the SGS II shines is in having numerous widgets going and live wall papers at the same time - and although the lag is still there in momentary milliseconds, its no where as bad as the Atrix with live wallpapers going with Android 2.2. I think this is where Gingerbread shines though - and I'm sure the Atrix will perform similar when it gets Gingerbread. Its this very reason why, although I've been tempted to sell the Atrix as well, I'm prepared to hang onto it until it gets 2.3.
Damage wise, I've found the Atrix is easier to fix. For example, I dropped my Atrix onto my concrete driveway from low height and damaged the corners of the back cover - However, the cover was easily replaced by one from www.cnn.cn. As you know, the cover on the Atrix covers the corners, so when you replace the back cover, its all fixed. The SGS II isn't the same. If you drop it on the corners, you need to replace the entire body..! I'm not looking forward to this..
I think other than the shear size of the SGS II being a negative for me, I really wish the SGS II had qHD screen resolution. 800x480 at 4.3" on the SGS II is just bad IMO, although maybe if I hadn't gone from the Atrix to the SGS II, I wouldn't have cared. I feel I have been spoilt by the qHD though, especially when I view high resolution photos I've taken with my Canon 5D Mk II DSLR - on the SGS II, the sub-pixelation is a killer...
My 2 cents

lesonal said:
Please convince me not to do this! I've been really thinking about doing it ='(
I want a better camera , gingerbread , and I heard the gs2 has a better display
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I don't give a ****, and I don't know who else does. I'm sick of all these idiots thinking people care that "I sold my Atrix" or "Traded Atrix for Nexus S" or "Atrix or Wait for SG2" and the post that you just made, young sir, is no better. Look it up and make your own opinion, for God's sake. We don't need ONE MORE NONSENSE THREAD someone made asking which handset to buy, or informing people they have rid of their Atrix and/or got something else.

BravoMotorola said:
I don't give a ****, and I don't know who else does. I'm sick of all these idiots thinking people care that "I sold my Atrix" or "Traded Atrix for Nexus S" or "Atrix or Wait for SG2" and the post that you just made, young sir, is no better. Look it up and make your own opinion, for God's sake. We don't need ONE MORE NONSENSE THREAD someone made asking which handset to buy, or informing people they have rid of their Atrix and/or got something else.
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You know, sometimes you have to just get out there and say how you feel.

I'm starting to think Samsung fanboys are worse than apple fanboys. After all, we don't get iphoners in here talking trash all the time.

BravoMotorola said:
I don't give a ****, and I don't know who else does. I'm sick of all these idiots thinking people care that "I sold my Atrix" or "Traded Atrix for Nexus S" or "Atrix or Wait for SG2" and the post that you just made, young sir, is no better. Look it up and make your own opinion, for God's sake. We don't need ONE MORE NONSENSE THREAD someone made asking which handset to buy, or informing people they have rid of their Atrix and/or got something else.
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Why again should he not ask for opinions about a phone on a board that is focused around discussions on said phone?

BravoMotorola said:
I don't give a ****, and I don't know who else does. I'm sick of all these idiots thinking people care that "I sold my Atrix" or "Traded Atrix for Nexus S" or "Atrix or Wait for SG2" and the post that you just made, young sir, is no better. Look it up and make your own opinion, for God's sake. We don't need ONE MORE NONSENSE THREAD someone made asking which handset to buy, or informing people they have rid of their Atrix and/or got something else.
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Normally I would agree with this school of thought, but the SG2 is a $600-$900 phone to just "Jump into".
The Atrix unlocked is not cheap either.
It's nice to hear other people's input since XDA is a "community" that tries to help others.
Sure you can read reviews in Samsung's forum, but to hear it from somebody in here gives you more perspective.
Sure I've seen multiple threads about this, "and wish it was all in one neat thread", but if Motorola got their act together (especially for Bell users) this **** wouldn't be happening as much...

Man_of_Leisure said:
I'm starting to think Samsung fanboys are worse than apple fanboys. After all, we don't get iphoners in here talking trash all the time.
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Nobody is talking thrash, OP is just asking for "help" from others.
The "only" mistake OP made, was creating a new thread instead of posting his concerns in the other existing, that's all...

CaelanT said:
Tired of reading threads like this!
BYE!
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LOL! All I could think of was this:
“I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do. In the name of God, go!”

@cheetah2k Thanks for the great writeup!
Everyday to and from work, I think about making the switch myself. I've had the Bell Atrix for over a month, and have probably used it for half the time. My Motorola Milestone is kicking it's ass right now and that's not sitting well with me.
^ (still have a capped device with no Stock SBF and Adfree still doesn't work)
The only thing that still keeps me holding on is hoping that Gingerbread actually fixes this device, and that I get the "Telus Fascinate" experience again.
^Basically I had the same garbage issues with the Fascinate on Eclair, but Froyo almost fixed everything. Sadly GPS was still broken, but the phone was way better than before.
Last week I actually wiped my Atrix and almost sold it, but after reading about some of the bugs on the SGII it's bought me a little bit more time.
Hardware and form factor wise the Atrix is PERFECT, but it's like using a Core 2 Duo PC running on 98/Me. Part of me still doesn't trust Motorola, and the support on their forums blows right now, but the phone has so much potential in front of it.
If the Galaxy S II didn't have so many dead pixel units reported, I would have pulled the trigger a long time ago and pitted the 2 phones against each other. For now I'm just waiting for the SG2 to either come down in price, or Moto to give us an "official" timetable of when Gingerbread is gonna be rolled out (including the forgotten Bell units)...

+1 for cheetah2k, a good seemingly unbiased comparison. I think its best that I stick with the Atrix because of the things it still has that the SGS2 doesn't, like qHD and the awesome fingerprint sensor. Plus, it'll probably be a little while before the SGS2 officially comes on AT&T, so I might as well just wait for the next Nexus. Thanks again, cheetah2k!

system update is really a issue constraining phone's spec
I bought atrix just for it is the first phone with 1ghz*2 +1g ram
but I'm now considering to replace it with a next-g nexus
for it is branded by Google and always gets the latest version
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