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Killed sense but miss the widgets

Hello all,
For the life of me I cannot find the thread that got me started in this direction. Someone in the forums here was talking about how they switched to the default android home vs sense and it sped up the phone.
Well, I tried it for a few days and jesus christ is it fast. I'm not going to rant, but without sense ui, this sprint hero running modaco 1.3a is a completely different phone.
Anyway, this has brought me to one of the toughest decisions in my life. I LOVE the look of sense. We all know it is painfully beautiful, and the widgets are beyond perfect too.
I think I already know the answer to this, but I will ask anyway. Is there ANY way to get the HTC widgets to run on the stock android home, or does sense have to be running? I would kill for the the mail and calendar widgets back. Even if I had to buy them. I was unable to find anything as good in the market. Also, is there anyway to get more than 3 home screens without sense?
I am so torn between using a slow phone that is beautiful, or a plain phone that is quick. Form follows function right?

have you checked "beautiful widgets" in the market? they are made to resemble the htc widgets on non-sense phones, never looked at them myself though.

No, beautiful widgets are only the weatherclock and the switches WiFi,BT etc.
You can't use original sense widgets without sense. There's no way.
I've used Rosie remover. At start the Hero was very fast, but a few days later it was as slow as it was with sense.
Now I'm going with my sense again. The look and feel is awesome and the speed not much slower than without it.

I didn't use rosie remover, I might look into it. I just cleared the defaults on HTC Sense and chose "Home" as my default (and force closed sense). I don't see it starting itself back up again but I will play more close attention to it.
I am kind of curious if there is anything you did after using rosie remover to make it slow. My phone isn't just slightly faster without sense, it is a different beast. I used to scroll through any list on my hero and it would move at a very low framerate and it was REALLY choppy. Since killing sense it is smooth as silk.
I tried everything too. I read the articles about NOT killing apps, I tried killing apps too, I tried installing several class 6 cards, I did all the location fixes and even got rid of anything that wasn't crucial (including widgets i never used). Oh, and also I tried almost every rom. Nothing made it more than just "ok".
Killed sense and other than missing the widgets, it is super fast. The keyboard even rotates about 2 whole seconds faster.
Any suggestions, maybe I did something wrong or am forgetting something. Modaco 1.3a with default android home for a week now and it hasn't even started to slow down. (Not sure why it even would.)

flexgrip said:
Modaco 1.3a with default android home for a week now and it hasn't even started to slow down. (Not sure why it even would.)
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i hope this is a typo, modaco is beta testing version 3.1 as we speak, so you should be at 3.0 right now! otherwise this might explain your speed problems...

kendong2 said:
i hope this is a typo, modaco is beta testing version 3.1 as we speak, so you should be at 3.0 right now! otherwise this might explain your speed problems...
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1.3a is the latest Modaco rom for the Sprint (cdma) Hero.

flexgrip said:
1.3a is the latest Modaco rom for the Sprint (cdma) Hero.
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ok thanks for clearing this up. i thought something like this, but on modaco's page it still says 1.1 is the latest (i actually looked it up before accusing you of typos! ), so this got me confused...

I do that stuff all the time; thinking people are crazy talking about some rom or radio and then I remember that the gsm and cdma heros are completely different in terms of development timeline.
So I think I am going to do this (god i wish there was a benchmark). I am going to run the stock android home for a while and completely remove rosie. I keep hearing that it starts up on its own in the background and I know you can run both at the same time.
Actually, I am running both right now and even with sense running in the background, while I use the android home it is still faster.
It almost feels like my hero is not fast enough for sense. Any suggestions? Maybe I will try the new Fresh 1.1. I had fresh 1.0 and i didnt like it. A lot of force close errors and just felt really "Hot Topic" if anyone catches my drift.
Anyway, we will see. If anyone has suggestions on speeding up sense I would love to hear it. It is almost impossible and USELESS to scroll through my contact list using sense because it is so skippy.

flexgrip said:
IIt is almost impossible and USELESS to scroll through my contact list using sense because it is so skippy.
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Then there may be a problem with your phone (or you have many thousand contacts!).
I have a UK (GSM) Hero running stock ROM and sense. My contact list scrolls smoothly - I have probably 250 or so on there and I can give it a flick and watch them speed smoothly by until I get to the one I want when I can stop it with my finger.

Yep, not me. Running the stock rom (and a few modified roms) I was unable to get my contact list to scroll smoothly at all. I think I will make a video of it to see if anyone else can compare.

flexgrip said:
Yep, not me. Running the stock rom (and a few modified roms) I was unable to get my contact list to scroll smoothly at all. I think I will make a video of it to see if anyone else can compare.
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Would be worth using the dedicated cdma users forum to ask other cdma phone users whether they have the same problem. My phone is GSM and that might make a difference (although I doubt it). And my son also has a (GSM) Hero and his scrolls well too.

Ok, I will try it. Watch me get accused of double posting now

i think it might be your phone.. has issues....
I am on CDMA Hero...
have it rooted.. and MoDaco 1.3....
Class 6... 8gb sdcard
both my contacts and music.. scroll supper fast.. and does not.. lag....
contacts.. I have over 150
muisic.. I have over 600
NO issues.....
you might want to take it in to vendor for replacement....

Just a thought

I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?

This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.

pjcforpres said:
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol

JoshHart said:
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.

I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.

Mi|enko said:
I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2

Eclair~ said:
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.

pjcforpres said:
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P

I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Paul22000 said:
Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.

pjcforpres said:
What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.

pjcforpres said:
From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”

pjcforpres said:
First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!

First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.

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First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?

Paul22000 said:
Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?

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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM

were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!

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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!

Paul22000 said:
I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.

whyy is my epic getting bogged down(slower)

I have dk28 quantum 2.0 rom installed with launcher plus and 7 home screens. I've aded 130 apps total to my epic 4g and have moved 70 percent of my apps to my sd card. I'm. Also using widget locker for a custom lock screen. Could someone assist me in figuring out why my froyo epic 4g is running slower than my wifes stock 2.1 epic 4g? What can I do to make my phone faster. Specifically my phone stalls on switching home screens, opening up the web browser for searching(using skyfire browser), opening google maps, and doing other various task. Any assistance or recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you.
Ps. I've removed my task killer which made it a little faster but stll tings slow down.

Are you serious?

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Are you serious?
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Yes I'm serious.

You have 130 apps installed. 130! Thats like packing 20 people in a Geo Metro.
It's climbing Mt. Everest in your boxers.

Well, you installed a leaked BETA rom first of all. Second, you have 130 apps installed. Third, you have 7 homescreens probably filled with all sorts of nonsense. Fourth, you have widgetlocker running all the time, with probably a bunch more nonsense on the lock screen.
Why do YOU think your phone is lagging?

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Well, you installed a leaked BETA rom first of all. Second, you have 130 apps installed. Third, you have 7 homescreens probably filled with all sorts of nonsense. Fourth, you have widgetlocker running all the time, with probably a bunch more nonsense on the lock screen.
Why do YOU think your phone is lagging?
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It was my undersanding that dk28 is the offiial froyo for the epic 4g but was only released to devices with hardware versions .004 and not .005 ota. And are you saying any beta release is going to be slower than stock? 1 home screen has lp calendar with email shortcut to work and gmail. 2nd screen has facebook lp widget(1 hr update interval) 3rd screen has twitter lp widget with 1 hr update interval. 4th screen is digital clock, weather widget 1 hour update interval,photo frame deluxe(1hour interval to changepictures)... 5th screen is folders organizing 120 games and the rest of my apps. 6th screen is power control widgets. 7th screen only has sacker player widget. Lock screen has digital time, battery percent, missed calls and missed text wdget with a weather forecast widget. What should I remove to make the phone faster? Or would it be better to just run an overclock kernel?

Think of each widget you have running as an application that is running in the background, since they all take up memory and most run services. You basically have 10 applications constantly running in the background. Widgetlocker has to be destroying your system with how many widgets you are running on it. Ever check the memory usage of these widgets and applications? You an overclock your phone if you want, except I don't think you can do that yet on the beta froyo, but I cannot see you getting even acceptable battery life running all of that already, and overclocking isn't going to help.
The Froyo you installed is not the official froyo. It is a beta leak.

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The Froyo you installed is not the official froyo. It is a beta leak.
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That's stretching it really REALLY far. Is it officially released? No. Is it beta software? That's not true either buddy. And it isn't a "leak" either. DK17 was a leak. DK28 was plain as day on Google's own servers. It was intended to be pushed to all phones after all. So stop harping on people for running it. It is far from a "beta leak". Just let it go man.

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That's stretching it really REALLY far. Is it officially released? No. Is it beta software? That's not true either buddy. And it isn't a "leak" either. DK17 was a leak. DK28 was plain as day on Google's own servers. It was intended to be pushed to all phones after all. So stop harping on people for running it. It is far from a "beta leak". Just let it go man.
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Actually; you're wrong.. it IS a beta. It was pushed to test phones only. TEST phones.. catch the hint? Testing means not complete. And there are bugs that shouldn't come with the final in this release.
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Orbiting234 said:
That's stretching it really REALLY far. Is it officially released? No. Is it beta software? That's not true either buddy. And it isn't a "leak" either. DK17 was a leak. DK28 was plain as day on Google's own servers. It was intended to be pushed to all phones after all. So stop harping on people for running it. It is far from a "beta leak". Just let it go man.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Until it is pushed to phones and you don't have to ODIN it on, its a leak. Also, if this is final froyo, which sprint has publicly denied, then samsung and sprint are finished as companies, because its buggy as ****. This is a beta leak of froyo. Some have speculated that it may be a release candidate, but that would still make it a beta, just a final version of the beta.

I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. Someone successfully rooted their phone, installed obviously unofficial custom firmware, and they still have no idea what a widget does? I call BS.

Nunchucker said:
I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. Someone successfully rooted their phone, installed obviously unofficial custom firmware, and they still have no idea what a widget does? I call BS.
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Believe me, when I first read it that is instantly what I thought too.

muyoso said:
Think of each widget you have running as an application that is running in the background, since they all take up memory and most run services. You basically have 10 applications constantly running in the background. Widgetlocker has to be destroying your system with how many widgets you are running on it. Ever check the memory usage of these widgets and applications? You an overclock your phone if you want, except I don't think you can do that yet on the beta froyo, but I cannot see you getting even acceptable battery life running all of that already, and overclocking isn't going to help.
The Froyo you installed is not the official froyo. It is a beta leak.
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Thanks for the info this really helps, i will take a look at the memory widget locker is consuming. I'm ordering a extended battery so i'm not too worried on battery life plus i'm used to charging my phone whenever i'm not using it. I used to have a palm pre and that thing died instantly. I just might overclock it when I get my extra battery, I like all my widgets I use most of them too.I thought android was supposed to be awesome at multi-tasking hehe. Might have to go back to palm when they release a 4 inch touch display phone. WebOS rocks. especially when I overclocked my palm pre. Man that thing flew.

Android is awesome at multitasking. The fact that its even usable when you have 15 or so widgets running constantly in the background is evidence of this. Until we get dual core phones with at minimum 1gb of RAM, widget use has to be tempered to maintain complete fluidity of the UI.

Nunchucker said:
I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. Someone successfully rooted their phone, installed obviously unofficial custom firmware, and they still have no idea what a widget does? I call BS.
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I'm new to the android scene I only owned a samsung moment for 2 months prior to my epic 4g and before a palm pre so I haven't had time to completely read up on how the Android OS proccesses applications. I get have been able to understand how to root devices mainly so I can customize the look of my phone and rooting/applying roms or kernels seems basic so far. I didn't think I had to know how widgets work in order to root my phone? If you think I should then I will better educate my self on the OS. I appreciate your feedback. I mainly like to use widgets as shortcuts to apps I use a lot but from what you guys are saying I will definitly start to read up for on how everything works in android.

muyoso said:
Android is awesome at multitasking. The fact that its even usable when you have 15 or so widgets running constantly in the background is evidence of this. Until we get dual core phones with at minimum 1gb of RAM, widget use has to be tempered to maintain complete fluidity of the UI.
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I will keep this in mind and start removing some of the widgets. Thanks again for the response, XDA community rocks.

First Impressions: [ROM][2.3.2] I9000XWJV1 (GINGERBREAD) for Galaxy S

The other thread has made me increasingly mental trying to find some decent information on what is working and what isn't working for SGS users upgrading to 2.3.2. I upgraded on Sunday evening without any issues and have been using it for the past 48hrs and have come across the following:
bad:
- no sip configuration options
- when integrated with MS exchange server, the unread count for emails never changes even after you read the mail
- default internet browser is horrifically slow, even with no other apps running in the background
- no samsung apps available (probably because this isn't an official samsung release)
good:
- android market works fine for me in Switzerland
- GPS works well with all the different apps i have
- wifi is interesting. it works, but i don't get full signal strength notification even when next to the access point
- FM radio, the most used app i have continues to work nicely
Overall I have been pleasantly surprised with this version. It's nice, although it's not an official release and is still leagues better than 2.1.x and 2.2. Would get a good argument from me about how it compares with 2.2.1..

gingerbread
its only a beta the official version will be better!

sdolgy said:
- default internet browser is horrifically slow, even with no other apps running in the background
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Is this with plugins enabled or disabled (on demand)?

sdolgy said:
... wifi is interesting. it works, but i don't get full signal strength notification even when next to the access point...
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What makes the wifi interesting? Should it really be in 'Good' seeing as though you dont get full signal strength?
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felleese said:
What makes the wifi interesting? Should it really be in 'Good' seeing as though you dont get full signal strength?
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Well, for me, I am not downloading torrents on my phone. When I want to download, via wifi, apps from the market or something with dropbox, the wifi isn't not letting me down. I think there's a disconnect between what the graphic is reporting and the actual level.
It's good because it still works and is functional and allows me to keep using this on a daily basis despite its status.

jnks123 said:
its only a beta the official version will be better!
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no doubt. not at all complaining. just wanted to document on my side what was working and not working so that i can compare in the future or maybe someone has a suggestion .. like the one about my default internet browser and plugins.
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Plugin setting is configured to "on demand"

Swype don't work.
GPS no satellites found.
Maybe we can compile a buglist?
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well its very early to give impression but its memory hungry battery hungry proned to black outs but to be honest when the bits all run nicely its good ive been running it over 24 hours now apart from mentioned problems its smooth looking forward to updates maybeys they will change ui and give us a few of the gingerbread goodies we all wanted ie tv of --3d apps screen and so on if you go settings then about and repeatadly press on version 2.3.2 i think about ten presses see gingerbreads easter egg at least they left us that lol enjoy egg hunting

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Thats a good idea.. Not only might it help Samsung, but it will discourage people from running it (and later whinging).

i got it running for a few hours and i generally enjoyed it, but the keyboard has no bulgarian (well it have in the options but it does not work) and if you run out of ram you are screwed (the phone hangs or gets tooo slow ).
as said samsung apps doesn`t work and the gallery freezes very often...
i hate that samsung removed the fancy animations and the black menu bar....

There's like no gingerbread keyboard and launcher
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1-3D performance
It's not as good as it was on 2.2.1. If you test some 3D games like NFS Shift, you culd see that it doesnt run so well as it did on 2.2.1
Some people even reports that they can’t even run lot of 3D games.
2-GPS
There are reports of a good gps performance, but I have read somewhere that it's contanstly throwing some kind of errors or bugs, I don't know how to check that. I guess they know it thanks to logcat or something like that.
According to what I could read on another forum they changed lot of gps files nad not is very similar to the ones of Nexus S, that's a good thing...
3-Keyboard
It’s also a shame that they didn’t include gingerboard keyboard…
PS: Some people might think that this thread isn’t useful, but as we are being kind of betatesters for Samsung it would be nice if we use this post only to report the most common bugs founds, so maybe Samsung could have a look at it and solve it faster.

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Try to use supercurio kernel with voodoo lagfix enabled and it should solve the problem. Works for me when I used to have same internet browser issue like you

Skyfire is working very slow, I'm unable to watch ***videos

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Skyfire is working very slow, I'm unable to watch ***videos
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Same here, it was so slow till i had to restart my i9000.

I've been using it for the last two days now (one of them with Supercurio's Voodoo Hack) and I've been happy with it in some parts, but quite unhappy in others.
Lag:
First of all, it seems the "Lag" that was fixed in 2.2.1 is back. Especially with memory-Hungry applications like the Browser, the phone tends to just freeze up for a few minutes without really doing much. I even had to pull the battery one time. This does happen less with the voodoo-fix, but it's still noticeable. Flash also does barely work.
Gingerbread features:
The new Gyroscope-Driver seems to work and it works really well. Skymap and Starchart both looked a LOT better when using them, no fidgeting around all the time anymore.
The new Gingerbread animations are NOT present in this rom. It seems like Samsung thinks they don't fit into TouchWiz, which is a shame. So no glowing edges when overscrolling and no screen-off or screen-on animation.
3D Performance pretty much seems to be the same as on 2.2.1 Games load a little slower, but I think that's mostly because we're using an un-optimized kernel.
The Bluetooth-Driver unfortunately still is the same as in Previous versions. So Neither Wiiremote nor PS3 will pair with the SGS, unlike on Cyanogenmod.
Samsung-Stuff:
As was stated before, Swype does not work. However, I am in the Swype beta and was able to install the Beta of Swype into this rom after deleting the normal swype with root explorer. It works fine, even Voice input does work.
All in all, it is clear that this is beta-firmware and it doesn't really offer much in terms of improvement over 2.2.1, at least not yet. Cyanogenmod 7, even tho it supports less hardware and is more unstable, runs a LOT faster and smoother than this, is more customizable and uses more of the new Gingerbread features.
For now, I'll be going back to 2.2.1, it's more useful as a daily driver, but this at least looks promising so far.

Reverting back to 2.2.1. 2.3.2 is way too slow.

Well considering this is a beta it seems alot of the features that are suppose to be in the final build are here left out. That will give the reason for quite some things missing ( some animations, effects, lock screens, keyboards....) Plus also cause of the beta build maybe even alpha who knows, the performance for me is really bad, it feels twice as laggy compared to the 2.2.1 releases. All in all this build is an striped down, not optimized build for the samsung devs i guess. We will have to wait for a better build leak. Cheers !

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Reverting back to 2.2.1. 2.3.2 is way too slow.
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Agreed, I switched back to JS5, but for the moment I'm keeping JVE modem. It performs WAY better for me. No random UMTS-disconnects.
But as others said, it's just a beta.

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FM radio, the most used app i have continues to work nicely
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Is it stereo ?

[Q] Stock is way too laggy but I want its features

Okay, so I'm looking for a little input here because I am torn. I was an avid flasher and supporter of the AOSP ROMs until I got this phone. I used CM and PA and a few others just to see what I liked but none of them offered quite the features and stability of pure stock but this is where I am really struggling.
For the longest time this phone was super fast. It did what I wanted it to do when I wanted it to do it. I'm not much for the keyboard so I installed swype and that seems to be where my problems began. Since day 1 the messaging app was always a disappointment. It would lag, not open fast or when it did open in a message i would have to close it to get to the messages list. When I added swype to the mix it just sucked. The touch responsiveness was late and slow, a lot of times the keyboard would freeze up and i wouldn't be able to do anything for a minute until it would unfreeze. I just don't see why it's doing this because it has 2 gb of ram and a beast processor.
Anything you guys could add to help? I love the phone but it's getting to be about as slow to use as the Droid Eris

Pretty sure this thread is supposed to be in the Q&A section. Don't be surprised to see it closed. Regarding your issue, to say your G2 is as slow as the Eris is a bit of a stretch. I don't doubt you're experiencing some lag, but saying it's as slow as a phone with 288MB RAM and clocked at 528 MHz is a little ridiculous.
You say you encountered these problems after installing Swype. Perhaps get rid of that keyboard. I personally use the stock Google keyboard as it can be downloaded from the Play Store.
And seeing as you're rooted, perhaps look through the development section for your particular variant to see if there are any optimized stock-based ROMs that might help speed things up.

Flex rom + g.lewarne kernel.
More feature and faster

What stock features? IR Blaster and Camera are available. Knock wake works.
I only used stock about 24 hours, but I didn't see much else compelling.. Quick Slide? Ugh. Quick Apps or whatever? Useless. Navbar customization? CM or AOKP can do that, etc.

If u have lag on stock, use a task killer to clear RAM when screen is turned off... Also root and use the fstrim app to TRIM your G2.... Mine never lags after this...
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its pretty much android that is lagging. not much you can do about it.

Sean473 said:
If u have lag on stock, use a task killer to clear RAM when screen is turned off... Also root and use the fstrim app to TRIM your G2.... Mine never lags after this...
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I feel as though I shouldn't have to clear ram considering there is 2GB of it.
And even though there is that much ram shouldn't android manage that in the background.
I do realize that TRIM isn't implemented in android until 4.3 but still...

khaytsus said:
What stock features? IR Blaster and Camera are available. Knock wake works.
I only used stock about 24 hours, but I didn't see much else compelling.. Quick Slide? Ugh. Quick Apps or whatever? Useless. Navbar customization? CM or AOKP can do that, etc.
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It's more or less the camera that I really want. The aosp one is so minimalistic and lacking features but all of the ported lg cameras have features that don't work or are baked out of it to make it work. I also really enjoy knowing my phone can work 100% of the time without SOD's and no GPS (I do a lot of traveling in my free time). I need to know that if I am stranded in a town I don't know of I can pull out my G2 and call someone without any feedback or echoes and no drops in data

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It's more or less the camera that I really want. The aosp one is so minimalistic and lacking features but all of the ported lg cameras have features that don't work or are baked out of it to make it work. I also really enjoy knowing my phone can work 100% of the time without SOD's and no GPS (I do a lot of traveling in my free time). I need to know that if I am stranded in a town I don't know of I can pull out my G2 and call someone without any feedback or echoes and no drops in data
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So the one feature you want, stock camera, works fine in other ROMs. I believe there is a few things disabled in it but not much. Here's the list from the stock camera thread:
No Object Tracking. You know that thing where a grid of little boxes shows up on the screen and one of them will turn green as the camera focuses? That's missing.
No Audio Zoom. It's still enabled in the UI, but I've patched out all the methods relating to it, as they caused crashes.
No transparent navigation bar.
No rotating navigation buttons.
Performance tuning - it's possible that this will run slower than it would on an LG ROM. The LG rom includes a class called
(Not on the list on the thread) - Front-facing camera may or may not work
So yeah, object tracking is really the only functional change. Autofocus works fine, just not the little green boxes. Whatever the difference is. And avoid using the front camera.
AOSP camera is minimalistic, but what features are missing? Do you really need 10 scene modes? No. Let's be realistic, the AOSP camera isn't doing well with low light or close-up flash (blows the photo) so there are problems but overall it works okay. And the ported stock camera works fine except for one minor feature.
GPS works, no call echos, no drops, no SODs etc.. I have had none of these issues on AOKP. GPS there are libraries missing from the AOKP build, but the files to flash are right in the OP. Stock camera, Quick Remote, etc all works fine too. I can't speak for any other ROMs. Rohan32's AOKP 4.3 is the ROM I'm using.

Uninstall Swype (I and other people I know have lag issues with it eventually), use the Google keyboard. Use Nova Launcher (Nova Prime would be ideal) set animations there for very fast or off, install Screen off and Lock for Knock off feature and set it with the Double tap gesture in Nova. Install LagFix for TRIM and run it. Go to developer options and turn off all animations. Hope this helps.

Xenovias said:
Flex rom + g.lewarne kernel.
More feature and faster
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use this rom with the custom g2 kernel and its fast fluid and flawless as far as I can tell

Sean473 said:
If u have lag on stock, use a task killer to clear RAM when screen is turned off... Also root and use the fstrim app to TRIM your G2.... Mine never lags after this...
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Thanks. I don't have mine rooted because I want to keep stock full stock. But what I have found is that clearing the ram after shutting off the screen actually helps a lot. I have had much less lag since I did that.

Something funny happened today. I went into texts and set the auto delete to after 1000 texts. Talk about the problems that followed. My phone was completely worthless. Even after closing the app and then restarting the phone. I have over 5k texts in one conversation between my girlfriend and I so I thought that might be making the stock messaging app run slow. But the auto delete didn't work at all. After spending about 3 hours trying to get back into the app I had to turn it off before I could do anything...

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Thanks. I don't have mine rooted because I want to keep stock full stock. But what I have found is that clearing the ram after shutting off the screen actually helps a lot. I have had much less lag since I did that.
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if you root you don't actually lose any features you just "unlock" the phone to get extras. the only time you can lose features is when you flash a custom rom. even if you flash a kernel you don't lose anything.

tbishop91 said:
if you root you don't actually lose any features you just "unlock" the phone to get extras. the only time you can lose features is when you flash a custom rom. even if you flash a kernel you don't lose anything.
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Oh believe me I am fully aware of what rooting and flashing Roms and kernels does to my phone. I've been an avid android user for a while. I have been flashing since the eris but on this phone I always end up back at stock but I always lose info when I revert back to stock. I don't want to flash anymore. I just want my flagship phone to work like it was worth my money

Changing to row and interactive got rid of the very tiny bit of stutter I had once and a while. The "lag" is really just the the CPU waiting on the system to tell it to clock up. Stock profiles are too slow.

mrgoodpaul said:
Oh believe me I am fully aware of what rooting and flashing Roms and kernels does to my phone. I've been an avid android user for a while. I have been flashing since the eris but on this phone I always end up back at stock but I always lose info when I revert back to stock. I don't want to flash anymore. I just want my flagship phone to work like it was worth my money
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yea man I totally understand with the tmo verison I just rooted to rid myself of the bloat on the phone and it works beautifully.

bachera said:
its pretty much android that is lagging. not much you can do about it.
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That's not true at all.
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tbishop91 said:
yea man I totally understand with the tmo verison I just rooted to rid myself of the bloat on the phone and it works beautifully.
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My only issue is that I took the ota for Verizon and that broke root and I haven't found a successful exploit yet.

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My only issue is that I took the ota for Verizon and that broke root and I haven't found a successful exploit yet.
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yeah that sucks I broke my root but managed to down grade thro odin that sucked and was hard as hell