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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!
First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.
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First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.
I've done a handful of searches in both this general forum and the Hero CDMA dev forum, and I'd really like to hear your opinions as to which is the most workable, viable VANILLA Android 2.1 ROM available for the Hero.
Background: I'm currently on the Fresh 2.1.2 ROM, coming from the installation of the Fresh 2.1 ROM from a couple weeks ago, and from the Fresh 2.0d ROM two months before that. I'm a total stability whore -- I silently trolled these forums for weeks before deciding to root and install a Fresh ROM a couple months ago. I've stuck exclusively to Flipz' Fresh ROMs, as they're fast and I've had ZERO issues with them, and it's hard to give that up. And yet, my wife just got a Moto Droid this week and after playing with stock vanilla Android 2.1, I find myself somehow attracted to that spartan interface. Sure, I can boot into Launcher Pro on Fresh 2.1.2, and my *launcher* will be vanilla-ish, but it will continue to take me to the underlying HTC Sense apps (messaging, music, etc.).
My thoughts: I like the look and idea of DarchVanilla ROM, but that author has no immediate plans to update it and it has a few small remaining issues. I'm starting to fall hard for the look of and rationale behind Konikub's new PureHero 2.x ROM, and may load that one up this week. My only hesitation there is that it's built off of the Damage base. Nothing wrong with that, Damage does awesome work (I've read and heard) just as Flipz does, but I've never tried a Damage ROM and am loathe to give up the fast, stable Fresh ROM experience for "undiscovered country." Gotta say, though, that Konikub's tweaks in PureHero have got me standing with one foot over the abyss, ready to tumble in...
Any recommendations? Vanilla-ish ROM user experiences? General advice? Care to talk me into staying in the HTC Sense world? Let me hear it all. And thanks in advance for sharing...
I use both sense and vanilla because i am torn in between. Ultimately i end up using Sense with Vanilla apps like sense with vanilla music apk and i come up with a twisted mix of the two.
If you twisted my arm about it i would have to go with sense because it has more flare.
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I've done a handful of searches in both this general forum and the Hero CDMA dev forum, and I'd really like to hear your opinions as to which is the most workable, viable VANILLA Android 2.1 ROM available for the Hero.
Background: I'm currently on the Fresh 2.1.2 ROM, coming from the installation of the Fresh 2.1 ROM from a couple weeks ago, and from the Fresh 2.0d ROM two months before that. I'm a total stability whore -- I silently trolled these forums for weeks before deciding to root and install a Fresh ROM a couple months ago. I've stuck exclusively to Flipz' Fresh ROMs, as they're fast and I've had ZERO issues with them, and it's hard to give that up. And yet, my wife just got a Moto Droid this week and after playing with stock vanilla Android 2.1, I find myself somehow attracted to that spartan interface. Sure, I can boot into Launcher Pro on Fresh 2.1.2, and my *launcher* will be vanilla-ish, but it will continue to take me to the underlying HTC Sense apps (messaging, music, etc.).
My thoughts: I like the look and idea of DarchVanilla ROM, but that author has no immediate plans to update it and it has a few small remaining issues. I'm starting to fall hard for the look of and rationale behind Konikub's new PureHero 2.x ROM, and may load that one up this week. My only hesitation there is that it's built off of the Damage base. Nothing wrong with that, Damage does awesome work (I've read and heard) just as Flipz does, but I've never tried a Damage ROM and am loathe to give up the fast, stable Fresh ROM experience for "undiscovered country." Gotta say, though, that Konikub's tweaks in PureHero have got me standing with one foot over the abyss, ready to tumble in...
Any recommendations? Vanilla-ish ROM user experiences? General advice? Care to talk me into staying in the HTC Sense world? Let me hear it all. And thanks in advance for sharing...
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If you want a real Vanilla Rom, Aosp experience, Just Roll with Darchdroid 2.6 it doesnt get any better that As for Sense DamageControl or fressshhhh
The only real taste of vanilla you're gonna get on the Hero is DarchDroid. It's not perfect, but it's getting there and Darch is actively working on it.
I agree with ^^^
If you like the vanilla experience, then you are doing yourself a disservice by not at least trying darchdroid 2.6.2. My setup is DD 2.6.2 with the zeam. 1.3.3 launcher. It looks like the espresso launcher, but much improved. It works well with 360 degree. rotation, the middle button launches app tray (either normal slider style, or launcher2 style), and the side buttons can easily be configured almost any way you want- from launching the browser or the phone to opening contacts or settings. With overclock and jit, I have no noticeable lag. Oh yeah! And you can pick anywhere from 3 to 9 screens or any number in-between! It will even let you select which screen you want to be your homescreen.
LOL, if you can't tell, I really love this combo!
I must agree that DarchDroid 2.62 is definitely the way to go. I am using it with the Launcher Pro Beta and love the clean look of AOSP. It doesn't get more basic and clean than my homescreen. The launcher has phone, contacts, apps, messaging and internet built in. I also applied the theme from Magnus - KKD_MOD v3.2 to add some extra features behind the scenes
sushi rom, ice rom pure hero are awesome prollly the best roms you could get stripped of sense besides a full asop, and so is darchdroid, i flashed darchdroid about 4 days ago and i pulled the livewallpapers and this rom is easily my fav rom ever. Reason being is because i am a huge asop fan. darchdroid is fast and i mean fast, like the guy above said darch is actively working to fix the issues but its so good its bearable. did i spell that right. Only problem with this one to me is the battery issue. something drains the battery pretty quick full charge will only get you about half a day but bring your car charger and its worth it. sorry if my words seem jumbled i just woke up.
Thanks, y'all!
I really appreciate all of the timely input -- I've got both the PureHero and now the latest DarchDroid ROMs on my SD card and will probably pull the trigger on DarchDroid in the next day or two.
My ONLY gripe there is that I use my Hero's camera. A lot. I know we've all been spoiled with the inclusion of cameras in our phones for too many years to remember, but does anyone find that DarchDroid's lack of camera functionality to be a non-starter for them?
Dude, LOVE the golf ball wallpaper on this!
the new darchdroid does have working camera, but a battery drain problem. if you can go about 6 hours between charges its good, works great. (read awesome)
i downgraded back to v2.5.x because i don't use the camera.
he said he was planning on uploading 2.6.3 tonight so you may wait around for that, should fix the battery issue.
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I really appreciate all of the timely input -- I've got both the PureHero and now the latest DarchDroid ROMs on my SD card and will probably pull the trigger on DarchDroid in the next day or two.
My ONLY gripe there is that I use my Hero's camera. A lot. I know we've all been spoiled with the inclusion of cameras in our phones for too many years to remember, but does anyone find that DarchDroid's lack of camera functionality to be a non-starter for them?
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DarchDroid doesn't lack camera.... make sure you're look at version 2.6.2
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My ONLY gripe there is that I use my Hero's camera. A lot. I know we've all been spoiled with the inclusion of cameras in our phones for too many years to remember, but does anyone find that DarchDroid's lack of camera functionality to be a non-starter for them?
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The camera has been fixed since the upgrade to the .29 kernel which came with Darchdroid 2.6. Currently the only main issues with 2.6.2 is the video side of the camera isn't working & the battery drain.
The new Darch says it doesn't receive MMS. Does that mean the default app won't receive MMS and I can use Handcent for that; or the phone just won't receive any MMS's period?
Well ya that too, if someone sends you an MMS, you just receive a link to view it instead actually viewing it in the Messaging app.
IMHO
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Any recommendations? Vanilla-ish ROM user experiences? General advice? Care to talk me into staying in the HTC Sense world? Let me hear it all. And thanks in advance for sharing...
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Vanilla is definitely the way to go man. While I haven't tried DarchDriod yet, I will say my vote is for Ic3Rom. It's been my daily ROM for well over a month and it's stable and fast and Mdawg112 is great about keeping it updated. Check it out - it's been great for me.
On a separate note, once you choose a ROM, try this launcher. I absolutely love it.
http://jbthemes.com/anderweb/category/adwlauncher/
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Well ya that too, if someone sends you an MMS, you just receive a link to view it instead actually viewing it in the Messaging app.
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Oh, that's not nearly as bad as I had imagined.
yeah he said the battery drain has been fixed, not sure about mms though, you can send but you cant receive, and i pulled livewallpapers and the livewallpaperpicker and gallery3d and my battery has been way better i promise.
I second icerom..I'm very happy
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yeah he said the battery drain has been fixed, not sure about mms though, you can send but you cant receive, and i pulled livewallpapers and the livewallpaperpicker and gallery3d and my battery has been way better i promise.
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dirkydirk23, are those the exact names of the files you pulled? And how exactly DID you pull them? I vaguely recall doing so by way of the SDK at the computer desktop on Fresh 2.0d a month or so ago but I've forgotten since then. I've been on DarchDroid2.6.2 for the past few hours and it's exactly what I'm looking for, but that 3D Gallery has GOT to go. Too slow and it's a usability nightmare.
One other issue while I'm at it -- any ideas how to get back Sprint's Visual Voicemail, or at least to configure the regular voice mail number in the dialer?
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dirkydirk23, are those the exact names of the files you pulled? And how exactly DID you pull them? I vaguely recall doing so by way of the SDK at the computer desktop on Fresh 2.0d a month or so ago but I've forgotten since then. I've been on DarchDroid2.6.2 for the past few hours and it's exactly what I'm looking for, but that 3D Gallery has GOT to go. Too slow and it's a usability nightmare.
One other issue while I'm at it -- any ideas how to get back Sprint's Visual Voicemail, or at least to configure the regular voice mail number in the dialer?
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dude i know what you mean once i pulled them it was way better, ok i the exact names of the files i pulled were LiveWallpapers.apk and LiveWallpapersPicker.apk and gallery 3d.apk this is how you do it, have your phone connected via usb in this exact order just copy and paste.
adb shell
su
mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system
cd /system/app
ls
after they all pull up just type in
rm LiveWallpapers.apk or whatever it says just like that make sure you put rm and it will remove it, fyi dont remove anything you dont know what its for or you will screw up something. fyi you have to type them how they are shown like if its a capitalized L there has to be one, its very case sensitive when removing them.
and if you look at the first post in the darchdroid thread he put the voicemail app as a download, you can download it and use a file explorer like astro or estrongs to install it i believe, i know for sure he posted it back.
Dunno how long it's been out for, just giving us non-senseUI (the only real way to use a Hero ) users a heads up that it's available.
Edit: oh yea, and for the sense users that don't check often..
If you update and it gives you ****ty (my bad), worse service or whatever go HERE and look at either the OP or the 2nd post for links to download older PRL versions.
Must be relatively new. Wiped back to factory and rerooted on Wednesday. Did all the updates 3 times to be sure and mine is still at 60671.
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Must be relatively new. Wiped back to factory and rerooted on Wednesday. Did all the updates 3 times to be sure and mine is still at 60671.
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did you really "reroot", cuz going to a sense rom should not cause root loss i keep a nand of sense (nfx's rom) and just restore it, update, fastboot to recovery, restore CM and I'm good to go...
to the OP: have you noticed "****tier service"? or any difference really, usually prl does nothing noticable for me.... let me know
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to the OP: have you noticed "****tier service"? or any difference really, usually prl does nothing noticable for me.... let me know
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Service in my calc class went from 105db(basically none) - 100db. otherwise it's all relatively the same. Maybe 5db more in spots.. but nothing worse nor a drastic increase
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Service in my calc class went from 105db(basically none) - 100db. otherwise it's all relatively the same. Maybe 5db more in spots.. but nothing worse nor a drastic increase
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thanks for that, no need to do the 20 minute process for me then
The comment about nonsense being theonly way to use ahero isn't true anymore. The new Sprint ruu that nfx modded is better than aosop. Cm and all the rest. I've tried them all. Runs faster.no fc. Better batterylife. And has all the sense goodies. No lag at all.
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The comment about nonsense being theonly way to use ahero isn't true anymore. The new Sprint ruu that nfx modded is better than aosop. Cm and all the rest. I've tried them all. Runs faster.no fc. Better batterylife. And has all the sense goodies. No lag at all.
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Mine runs plenty fast, no lag, no fc's ever. I'm running a custom compiled CM6.1 rom. Battery lasts longer than I need. More internal space as compared to sense for installing apps. LauncherPro's widgets look nicer and run smoother imo, I can set it to have only 2 homescreens without the extra bulk UI on the phone. Native a2sd. Slicker stock keyboard.
CM addons/settings are a plus too. Notification power control widget, lockscreen controls, UI color edits, etc.
umad?
But to be serious and all that; I'm partial to aosp mainly because I can compile it relatively easily and the android SDK is aosp. So it's practically all I've used for the past 8 (i think) months.
As you said - it's not particularly true anymore since there are senseUI roms that run extremely smooth and quick. It usually comes down to what exactly a person is looking for in a rom.
I still use lp over sense with the new ruu. But I ran cm and aosop for about a year. And I never went more than an hour without some kind of problem. That's why I was so happy that the new Sprint ruu runs so great. It even has aps2sd. And launcherpro adds some extras that you get from froyo. I honestly can't tell the difference. Not to mention my iheartradio would not work on cm or aosop. I'm so happy to have rovers morning glory back. I'm not mad. Lol. Just letting you know that there is a better Rom out there for heros than the cm6.
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for those who are on the fence about installing this, here's my experience. i was on myn's warm 2.2 before.
I installed it last night.
Honestly, Myn's 2.2 was very good, which was why I wasn't in a rush to replace it, but my coworker showed me cm7 on his phone at work yesterday and I had to do it as soon as I got home.
The problem w/Myn's is that I actually ran low on memory at one point, I was down to about 65mb (on the phone), so I had to delete a bunch of apps. I tried moving the apps to my SD card but that caused them to no longer work, a bug w/myn's.
I think on a fresh Myn's install, your mem is about 250mb, but cm7, your mem free is 378mb.
Another inconvenient bug w/Sense widgets was that sometimes, you have to go to that desktop in order for the Sense widget to reload its data, like the contacts widget which show no contacts until you displayed the widget and you could see it loading the contacts data. I think that was a Sense thing, cuz that happened on all my ROMs.
Tho, I do miss my pretty Sense widgets. I'm gonna be finding replacements for them and doing a write up for all the other Evo owners on XDA.
The nice thing about cm7 is that it feels slightly snappier than Myn's. Maybe that's just a placebo? But at least I didn't lose any functionality, which is why this is my first cm rom. I can't give up 4G, it's like going back to dial up.
One thing I don't like is their hotspot app, it sucks compared to the Wifi Tether app on other ROMs. You can't see who's connected and there is no access control. And it doesn't show amount of data downloaded or uploaded. Even tho Sprint's plan is unlimited, I try not to abuse it and that feature helped me monitor myself.
I should've done a speed test comparison before and after.
Well, the speedtest.net download numbers I got on CM7 were: 5mbps on the phone, 2mbps on the laptop
sad.
Another thing I don't like is the camera app. How do you turn off the shutter sound? It has more settings but in the video, there are no settings to set the resolution or codec type, how do we know which one is the hardware supported h.264? The Sense camera has ****ty focus sometimes on close objects, like it will hunt for focus, which you can see the object go into focus and but when it locks on the object, its focus is off. I haven't tested this with cm7 yet.
Cosmetically, the difference between cm7 and myn's is minor, you just lose the pretty Sense widgets. Performance wise, it feels snappier, but that's subjective. The main reason why I upgraded was more stability, even tho myn's was very stable for me. But the side benefit is that I got about 125mb extra memory and I hope SD apps will work properly this time.
Also, I hope we won't have to deal the the inconvenience of widgets losing their data randomly and having to go to that desktop so the widget can reload its data.
I also miss the Sense clock app, hope someone can figure out how to port that, it's very user friendly to set alarms and such. cm7's works fine but sense was better. sort of the same reason why i went to cm7, myn's was fine, but cm7 is better.
anyway, so there's my .02 on cm7.
UPDATE:
I went back to Myn's 2.2, ran into some hiccups on restore, details and solution here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12897128&postcount=9
Neo3D said:
for those who are on the fence about installing this, here's my experience. i was on myn's warm 2.2 before.
I installed it last night.
Honestly, Myn's 2.2 was very good, which was why I wasn't in a rush to replace it, but my coworker showed me cm7 on his phone at work yesterday and I had to do it as soon as I got home.
The problem w/Myn's is that I actually ran low on memory at one point, I was down to about 65mb (on the phone), so I had to delete a bunch of apps. I tried moving the apps to my SD card but that caused them to no longer work, a bug w/myn's.
I think on a fresh Myn's install, your mem is about 250mb, but cm7, your mem free is 378mb.
Another inconvenient bug w/Sense widgets was that sometimes, you have to go to that desktop in order for the Sense widget to reload its data, like the contacts widget which show no contacts until you displayed the widget and you could see it loading the contacts data. I think that was a Sense thing, cuz that happened on all my ROMs.
Tho, I do miss my pretty Sense widgets. I'm gonna be finding replacements for them and doing a write up for all the other Evo owners on XDA.
The nice thing about cm7 is that it feels slightly snappier than Myn's. Maybe that's just a placebo? But at least I didn't lose any functionality, which is why this is my first cm rom. I can't give up 4G, it's like going back to dial up.
One thing I don't like is their hotspot app, it sucks compared to the Wifi Tether app on other ROMs. You can't see who's connected and there is no access control. And it doesn't show amount of data downloaded or uploaded. Even tho Sprint's plan is unlimited, I try not to abuse it and that feature helped me monitor myself.
I should've done a speed test comparison before and after.
Well, the speedtest.net download numbers I got on CM7 were: 5mbps on the phone, 2mbps on the laptop
sad.
Another thing I don't like is the camera app. How do you turn off the shutter sound? It has more settings but in the video, there are no settings to set the resolution or codec type, how do we know which one is the hardware supported h.264? The Sense camera has ****ty focus sometimes on close objects, like it will hunt for focus, which you can see the object go into focus and but when it locks on the object, its focus is off. I haven't tested this with cm7 yet.
Cosmetically, the difference between cm7 and myn's is minor, you just lose the pretty Sense widgets. Performance wise, it feels snappier, but that's subjective. The main reason why I upgraded was more stability, even tho myn's was very stable for me. But the side benefit is that I got about 125mb extra memory and I hope SD apps will work properly this time.
Also, I hope we won't have to deal the the inconvenience of widgets losing their data randomly and having to go to that desktop so the widget can reload its data.
I also miss the Sense clock app, hope someone can figure out how to port that, it's very user friendly to set alarms and such. cm7's works fine but sense was better. sort of the same reason why i went to cm7, myn's was fine, but cm7 is better.
anyway, so there's my .02 on cm7.
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That's alright. You will be back!!
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Welcome to the club! You'll get used to all the little differences quickly and wonder why you didn't switch earlier. For some cool widgets, check out the sticky called "commonly used widgets"under the android general section. You'll most likely get beautiful widgets or fancy widgets if you like the sense based ones. I agree, cyanogenmod seems snappier, simply because it is. Theres less crap running in the background like sense so things load faster and respond better. You might consider also getting adw ex or launcher pro, both will make it even more smooth. AFTER you do, you can uninstall the regular version of adw with titanium backup.
Glad you like it so far!
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My phone ran out of memory for the first time last night using cm7, using pic say pro I got a pop up telling me it could not complete the task due to low memory. It was also around 65 mb. I used my system panel to clear the memory andnit was fine after that. Maybe its just my phone, but it just seems to perform better using a sense ROM.
The main reason I like cm7 is the great battery life.
Glad you're enjoying it. I used to go back and forth the Sense, but I haven't been off AOSP for a while. Once you get used to it, it's much better.
To turn off the camera click, you need to delete the sound file with Root Explorer. It's under System>Media>Audio>UI>camera_click.ogg.
The sense roms are definitely more stable and prettier. But I just feel like I'm wading in a sea of molasses.
When I go from Sense to CM I feel like I just took a 20 pound dump. Ahhhhhhhhh.... nice.
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phatmanxxl said:
My phone ran out of memory for the first time last night using cm7, using pic say pro I got a pop up telling me it could not complete the task due to low memory. It was also around 65 mb. I used my system panel to clear the memory andnit was fine after that. Maybe its just my phone, but it just seems to perform better using a sense ROM.
The main reason I like cm7 is the great battery life.
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Actually, PicSay pro was complaining about low RAM memory, not regular storage memory--I'm assuming you were trying to export a high def picture with lots of effects. It uses up tons and tons of ram and the same would happen on sense too.
I had the same perception that somehow Sense was better and more stable. It took me a full month to realize that both CM7 and Sense are stable.
Also CM7 is way better on touch responsiveness and scrolling because Gingerbread has dramatically improved core video drivers.
As long as you like your personal phone experience then I'm happy for you. I personally don't care for CM, at least not for the Evo. I used to use it on my Windows 6.1 touch pro and had fun. But it just doesn't have enough stability and usefullness for me on the Evo.
The only AOSP rom I was able to use for extended periods of time Deck's. It was a lot more stable, and usable then CM. Only problem is it doesn't have the rabid raving fan base behind it, it's better to be first, not necessarily the best, but that was just my experience with it. I've put CM on my phone probably 7 times now, and it never lasts, I like my equipment to work and work well, when I want it to, every time. AOSP on our phone does not provide that for me.
The camera sucks, actually takes worse pictures, viewing pictures sucks too. Even using 3rd party galleries, pictures are never as clear as on a sense rom. Here is a post I made about it last Sept. and sadly nothing has changed about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8141530#post8141530
You'll find likes and dislikes, if you prefer it then good for you. But makes sure you test everything out first. I personally would recommend Dark Cocoa II by 1975Jamie. I love this one, I currently have a crapload of apps installed and am at 295mb free on my internal storage.
I've tried warm 2.2, it was really nice at first, but that rom fell apart very quickly, I think i was off it within a week. Dark cocoa rls II has kept me for a very long time.
Again, all is personal.
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You're right, I'm back! The Hotspot app in CM7 was providing very unstable internet routing and connection. I tried installing the WiFi Tether app but I think ppl have trouble getting that to work on CM-7. I posted the issue here:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...ions-of-wifi-tether-app-for-evo-21-wont-work/
BTW, this is the first time I had to do a Nandroid restore and I found out that:
It wouldn't restore from the phone, I had to use ADB shell on the laptop
Nandroid didn't make a nandroid.md5 file, so I had to make one myself
It was scary running into these issue on my first restore!
Anyway, I got restore to work, do this:
adb shell
cd sdcard
cd nandroid
cd [your phones special serial ID folder]
cd [the restore folder you want to restore]
from here create the MD5 file from this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=785858
enter in the restore command shown from the phone
it will ask you to confirm the directory then hit ENTER
Just FYI!
snowboarda42 said:
Welcome to the club! You'll get used to all the little differences quickly and wonder why you didn't switch earlier. For some cool widgets, check out the sticky called "commonly used widgets"under the android general section. You'll most likely get beautiful widgets or fancy widgets if you like the sense based ones. I agree, cyanogenmod seems snappier, simply because it is. Theres less crap running in the background like sense so things load faster and respond better. You might consider also getting adw ex or launcher pro, both will make it even more smooth. AFTER you do, you can uninstall the regular version of adw with titanium backup.
Glad you like it so far!
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I think CM-7 comes with ADW EX? Yea, I had to go back to Myn's cuz of Wifi Tether but I can't wait to go back to CM-7!
Pao23 said:
I personally would recommend Dark Cocoa II by 1975Jamie. I love this one, I currently have a crapload of apps installed and am at 295mb free on my internal storage.
I've tried warm 2.2, it was really nice at first, but that rom fell apart very quickly, I think i was off it within a week. Dark cocoa rls II has kept me for a very long time.
Again, all is personal.
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Is that a Sense ROM? I like Sense, but I'm hoping that in Sense 2.x+ and 3.0, they fixed the problem of the widgets just randomly losing its data and having to reload it, quite annoying.
Yea that's what I ment I ran out of RAM on cm7, I didn't think it was possible since I don't have a lot running in the first place. I was adding effects to a pic I took with the front cam. So it wasn't that big of a file.
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I think CM-7 comes with ADW EX? Yea, I had to go back to Myn's cuz of Wifi Tether but I can't wait to go back to CM-7!
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Just the plain adw launcher, EX is the paid version with extra features.
Guys, just use VaelPak... it is basically a Sense CM. I'm loving Go Launcher with it. By far the best launcher I've tried between LP, ADW, Sense, and Go.
PS - All ROMs feel snappy when it's fresh... wait a couple of weeks to really assess. CM started dragging ass then.
For launchers, I recommend Go Launcher Ex. Its basically Launcher Pro without the extra widgets, and its free. Actually all the Go team apps like Go SMS Pro are rapidly becoming my favorite.
There is a final already?
I have destroyer v2 is that CM final or a diff build? hello?
The final build is CM7. No other names, not a nightly.
HOWEVER...
GPS has split personalities
4G is is a bit slow and slightly psychotic
Going to stock than back to CM7 gets the GPS to work for about the time it takes to locate you, doesn't work for navigation.
Screen lock has an uncanny ability to make the screen go blank, causing you to go batty pressing the sleep button numerous times until the screen decides to turn on.
Yes its snappy, and more efficient. But its not what I'd call stable.
I love sense sometimes but batt life is mediocre, and as well sense is a ram hog.
Im switching back to dark cocoa 2.
Hurled through the cosmos from my EVO4G to xda
akarol said:
Guys, just use VaelPak... it is basically a Sense CM. I'm loving Go Launcher with it. By far the best launcher I've tried between LP, ADW, Sense, and Go.
PS - All ROMs feel snappy when it's fresh... wait a couple of weeks to really assess. CM started dragging ass then.
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I 100% agree "just use vaelpak". I came from Myns to Vaelpak about a month ago and couldnt be happier. It was starting to mess up a little bit, the kernel i was using didnt agree. So I figure I would try CM7, seeing how everyone loves it and brags about it. Well.... It's just not for me, to jumpy for my phone and I like when everything works/stable
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There is a final already?
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Yes! But I checked my thread on CM forums about the Wifi tether issue, and it looks like others have the same issue. If you never use Wifi tether then try it out, cm7 is awesome.
Well guys, I don't honestly know what to think about the new OTA. I tried it but wasn't overly impressed with it. However the speed and battery life is kinda nice. I still feel like it is lacking some features that a GB update should have had and I also feel VZW and HTC rushed this one. What do yall think?
Good Base For Future Mods
I suspect that the OTA will be a good base for future mods. I like it, but some of the features that I take for granted after using CM7 are missing.
I ran the leak for a while, I really liked it because of speed, but I can't believe they took mobile network, airplane and silent mode out of the power menu.
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I suspect that the OTA will be a good base for future mods. I like it, but some of the features that I take for granted after using CM7 are missing.
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Thats a good point. I love CM myself, been a long time fan.
I've been using the rooted leak version for about 24 hours now, moving from an EVO based mod. The new one is definitely zippier, even on scrolling, etc. I'll keep using it, but looking forward to new custom builds once the source is out and modders get their hands on this kernel.
Well, this wasn't supposed to be as big a thing compared to when FroYo was released. Expectations of that magnitude for this release were not realistic.
Differences aren't visual per se, rather just a few functional ones.
All in all, gingerbread, meh.....
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For me, it's a few things.
Feels unfinished. What I mean is some things are not what i expected. For example, i use google talk alot and with Froyo, the icon in the bar was a Sense based one. Now it's just Google Talk. This is fine, but i have to ask - was this on purpose? or a slip up?
next, I don't like NOT being able to disable ALL animations. In froyo, i could turn off the clock animations, weather ones and even the OS ones. I like that. In this one, I can't... only OS.
I have a had a few FC's with google voice setup (cleared up once configured) and Scrabble rarely notifies me of a move, but those could be app related.
battery life remains to be seen since I need to charge my phone all the way up while powered off.
it's definitely quick, but it took like 5 minutes before I started missing Synergy. Looking forward to seeing what can be done with the update.
It's a nice temporary fix for my ocd rom flashing but i think devs and most others are waiting for the final ota with some bug fixes. Isn't this lacking the new radio as well? Otherwise I am really happy it looks like they fixed the low space /data/data notification.
If we are lucky the devs will pump out some amazing roms for us that are stable and fast. Just gimme pulldown widgets, 5-row apps, recent apps in notification, and remapped rosie buttons and i'm set!
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snip Isn't this lacking the new radio as well?
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The ones posted in this forum are missing the radio but that is because the source that gave it to our devs asked that they not include the radio when they compiled and uploaded the rom. For what reason? Who knows....
I think the update should've added sense 2.1..
I miss power toggle pull downs and right rosie, but other than that, everything for me just works and works fast. If someone can add some 2.1 features, that would be nice. Been on this since it came out, zero issues, zero lag. I use my phone for business with some music, dont install more than zbout 4 apps. Everything flies. Look at it this way, if no other roms could ever have been ported over, is this a good update from when you first got your dinc? I say hell yes. The ports are great, im not baggin cause ive flashed every rom here, but this was made for our phone. Could it have had 2.1, sure, would it have worked as good, i doubt it. All ports have some issues, all be it very minor, but they also develop lag and more issues the longer you use them. Im willin to wait a week and see what happens, im sure we will see a different ota eventally, fat lady aint singin yet.
curious about battery life
I've been using miui and have been getting good battery life. I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the new ginger
All I could think about was how ridiculously fast Sense 1.0 would be on any Gingerbread ROM.
If i were a dev I would definitely be cooking up a clean, streamlined, unbelievably fast Sense 1.0 ROM for users who don't need what 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0 have to offer.
That being said, as far as the OTA goes... We'll see?
I like the speed of this OTA, too. It's very snappy. But I'm having a problem with voice input recognizing speech. Is this a problem for anyone else?
I was using bluetooth and I said open calender and it would randomly pick a number to call from my contacts.
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It's a problem with GB in general. Try using voice search while driving and you can scream in the mic until you're blue in the face. It won't recognize anything you say.
Is that just for GB Sense based roms? I have never had a problem with voice input on CM7.
dark_isz said:
Is that just for GB Sense based roms? I have never had a problem with voice input on CM7.
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It might be a combo of things. All I know is it worked perfectly for me on Froyo.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=4399393a95831baa&hl=en
It was fun to try it out and it's fast, but I went back to Community RC5. I won't be looking back, im sure OVO will rip whatever is good and stick it in community.