whyy is my epic getting bogged down(slower) - Epic 4G General

I have dk28 quantum 2.0 rom installed with launcher plus and 7 home screens. I've aded 130 apps total to my epic 4g and have moved 70 percent of my apps to my sd card. I'm. Also using widget locker for a custom lock screen. Could someone assist me in figuring out why my froyo epic 4g is running slower than my wifes stock 2.1 epic 4g? What can I do to make my phone faster. Specifically my phone stalls on switching home screens, opening up the web browser for searching(using skyfire browser), opening google maps, and doing other various task. Any assistance or recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you.
Ps. I've removed my task killer which made it a little faster but stll tings slow down.

Are you serious?

muyoso said:
Are you serious?
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Yes I'm serious.

You have 130 apps installed. 130! Thats like packing 20 people in a Geo Metro.
It's climbing Mt. Everest in your boxers.

Well, you installed a leaked BETA rom first of all. Second, you have 130 apps installed. Third, you have 7 homescreens probably filled with all sorts of nonsense. Fourth, you have widgetlocker running all the time, with probably a bunch more nonsense on the lock screen.
Why do YOU think your phone is lagging?

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Well, you installed a leaked BETA rom first of all. Second, you have 130 apps installed. Third, you have 7 homescreens probably filled with all sorts of nonsense. Fourth, you have widgetlocker running all the time, with probably a bunch more nonsense on the lock screen.
Why do YOU think your phone is lagging?
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It was my undersanding that dk28 is the offiial froyo for the epic 4g but was only released to devices with hardware versions .004 and not .005 ota. And are you saying any beta release is going to be slower than stock? 1 home screen has lp calendar with email shortcut to work and gmail. 2nd screen has facebook lp widget(1 hr update interval) 3rd screen has twitter lp widget with 1 hr update interval. 4th screen is digital clock, weather widget 1 hour update interval,photo frame deluxe(1hour interval to changepictures)... 5th screen is folders organizing 120 games and the rest of my apps. 6th screen is power control widgets. 7th screen only has sacker player widget. Lock screen has digital time, battery percent, missed calls and missed text wdget with a weather forecast widget. What should I remove to make the phone faster? Or would it be better to just run an overclock kernel?

Think of each widget you have running as an application that is running in the background, since they all take up memory and most run services. You basically have 10 applications constantly running in the background. Widgetlocker has to be destroying your system with how many widgets you are running on it. Ever check the memory usage of these widgets and applications? You an overclock your phone if you want, except I don't think you can do that yet on the beta froyo, but I cannot see you getting even acceptable battery life running all of that already, and overclocking isn't going to help.
The Froyo you installed is not the official froyo. It is a beta leak.

muyoso said:
The Froyo you installed is not the official froyo. It is a beta leak.
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That's stretching it really REALLY far. Is it officially released? No. Is it beta software? That's not true either buddy. And it isn't a "leak" either. DK17 was a leak. DK28 was plain as day on Google's own servers. It was intended to be pushed to all phones after all. So stop harping on people for running it. It is far from a "beta leak". Just let it go man.

Orbiting234 said:
That's stretching it really REALLY far. Is it officially released? No. Is it beta software? That's not true either buddy. And it isn't a "leak" either. DK17 was a leak. DK28 was plain as day on Google's own servers. It was intended to be pushed to all phones after all. So stop harping on people for running it. It is far from a "beta leak". Just let it go man.
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Actually; you're wrong.. it IS a beta. It was pushed to test phones only. TEST phones.. catch the hint? Testing means not complete. And there are bugs that shouldn't come with the final in this release.
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Orbiting234 said:
That's stretching it really REALLY far. Is it officially released? No. Is it beta software? That's not true either buddy. And it isn't a "leak" either. DK17 was a leak. DK28 was plain as day on Google's own servers. It was intended to be pushed to all phones after all. So stop harping on people for running it. It is far from a "beta leak". Just let it go man.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Until it is pushed to phones and you don't have to ODIN it on, its a leak. Also, if this is final froyo, which sprint has publicly denied, then samsung and sprint are finished as companies, because its buggy as ****. This is a beta leak of froyo. Some have speculated that it may be a release candidate, but that would still make it a beta, just a final version of the beta.

I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. Someone successfully rooted their phone, installed obviously unofficial custom firmware, and they still have no idea what a widget does? I call BS.

Nunchucker said:
I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. Someone successfully rooted their phone, installed obviously unofficial custom firmware, and they still have no idea what a widget does? I call BS.
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Believe me, when I first read it that is instantly what I thought too.

muyoso said:
Think of each widget you have running as an application that is running in the background, since they all take up memory and most run services. You basically have 10 applications constantly running in the background. Widgetlocker has to be destroying your system with how many widgets you are running on it. Ever check the memory usage of these widgets and applications? You an overclock your phone if you want, except I don't think you can do that yet on the beta froyo, but I cannot see you getting even acceptable battery life running all of that already, and overclocking isn't going to help.
The Froyo you installed is not the official froyo. It is a beta leak.
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Thanks for the info this really helps, i will take a look at the memory widget locker is consuming. I'm ordering a extended battery so i'm not too worried on battery life plus i'm used to charging my phone whenever i'm not using it. I used to have a palm pre and that thing died instantly. I just might overclock it when I get my extra battery, I like all my widgets I use most of them too.I thought android was supposed to be awesome at multi-tasking hehe. Might have to go back to palm when they release a 4 inch touch display phone. WebOS rocks. especially when I overclocked my palm pre. Man that thing flew.

Android is awesome at multitasking. The fact that its even usable when you have 15 or so widgets running constantly in the background is evidence of this. Until we get dual core phones with at minimum 1gb of RAM, widget use has to be tempered to maintain complete fluidity of the UI.

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I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread. Someone successfully rooted their phone, installed obviously unofficial custom firmware, and they still have no idea what a widget does? I call BS.
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I'm new to the android scene I only owned a samsung moment for 2 months prior to my epic 4g and before a palm pre so I haven't had time to completely read up on how the Android OS proccesses applications. I get have been able to understand how to root devices mainly so I can customize the look of my phone and rooting/applying roms or kernels seems basic so far. I didn't think I had to know how widgets work in order to root my phone? If you think I should then I will better educate my self on the OS. I appreciate your feedback. I mainly like to use widgets as shortcuts to apps I use a lot but from what you guys are saying I will definitly start to read up for on how everything works in android.

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Android is awesome at multitasking. The fact that its even usable when you have 15 or so widgets running constantly in the background is evidence of this. Until we get dual core phones with at minimum 1gb of RAM, widget use has to be tempered to maintain complete fluidity of the UI.
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I will keep this in mind and start removing some of the widgets. Thanks again for the response, XDA community rocks.

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Killed sense but miss the widgets

Hello all,
For the life of me I cannot find the thread that got me started in this direction. Someone in the forums here was talking about how they switched to the default android home vs sense and it sped up the phone.
Well, I tried it for a few days and jesus christ is it fast. I'm not going to rant, but without sense ui, this sprint hero running modaco 1.3a is a completely different phone.
Anyway, this has brought me to one of the toughest decisions in my life. I LOVE the look of sense. We all know it is painfully beautiful, and the widgets are beyond perfect too.
I think I already know the answer to this, but I will ask anyway. Is there ANY way to get the HTC widgets to run on the stock android home, or does sense have to be running? I would kill for the the mail and calendar widgets back. Even if I had to buy them. I was unable to find anything as good in the market. Also, is there anyway to get more than 3 home screens without sense?
I am so torn between using a slow phone that is beautiful, or a plain phone that is quick. Form follows function right?
have you checked "beautiful widgets" in the market? they are made to resemble the htc widgets on non-sense phones, never looked at them myself though.
No, beautiful widgets are only the weatherclock and the switches WiFi,BT etc.
You can't use original sense widgets without sense. There's no way.
I've used Rosie remover. At start the Hero was very fast, but a few days later it was as slow as it was with sense.
Now I'm going with my sense again. The look and feel is awesome and the speed not much slower than without it.
I didn't use rosie remover, I might look into it. I just cleared the defaults on HTC Sense and chose "Home" as my default (and force closed sense). I don't see it starting itself back up again but I will play more close attention to it.
I am kind of curious if there is anything you did after using rosie remover to make it slow. My phone isn't just slightly faster without sense, it is a different beast. I used to scroll through any list on my hero and it would move at a very low framerate and it was REALLY choppy. Since killing sense it is smooth as silk.
I tried everything too. I read the articles about NOT killing apps, I tried killing apps too, I tried installing several class 6 cards, I did all the location fixes and even got rid of anything that wasn't crucial (including widgets i never used). Oh, and also I tried almost every rom. Nothing made it more than just "ok".
Killed sense and other than missing the widgets, it is super fast. The keyboard even rotates about 2 whole seconds faster.
Any suggestions, maybe I did something wrong or am forgetting something. Modaco 1.3a with default android home for a week now and it hasn't even started to slow down. (Not sure why it even would.)
flexgrip said:
Modaco 1.3a with default android home for a week now and it hasn't even started to slow down. (Not sure why it even would.)
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i hope this is a typo, modaco is beta testing version 3.1 as we speak, so you should be at 3.0 right now! otherwise this might explain your speed problems...
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i hope this is a typo, modaco is beta testing version 3.1 as we speak, so you should be at 3.0 right now! otherwise this might explain your speed problems...
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1.3a is the latest Modaco rom for the Sprint (cdma) Hero.
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1.3a is the latest Modaco rom for the Sprint (cdma) Hero.
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ok thanks for clearing this up. i thought something like this, but on modaco's page it still says 1.1 is the latest (i actually looked it up before accusing you of typos! ), so this got me confused...
I do that stuff all the time; thinking people are crazy talking about some rom or radio and then I remember that the gsm and cdma heros are completely different in terms of development timeline.
So I think I am going to do this (god i wish there was a benchmark). I am going to run the stock android home for a while and completely remove rosie. I keep hearing that it starts up on its own in the background and I know you can run both at the same time.
Actually, I am running both right now and even with sense running in the background, while I use the android home it is still faster.
It almost feels like my hero is not fast enough for sense. Any suggestions? Maybe I will try the new Fresh 1.1. I had fresh 1.0 and i didnt like it. A lot of force close errors and just felt really "Hot Topic" if anyone catches my drift.
Anyway, we will see. If anyone has suggestions on speeding up sense I would love to hear it. It is almost impossible and USELESS to scroll through my contact list using sense because it is so skippy.
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IIt is almost impossible and USELESS to scroll through my contact list using sense because it is so skippy.
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Then there may be a problem with your phone (or you have many thousand contacts!).
I have a UK (GSM) Hero running stock ROM and sense. My contact list scrolls smoothly - I have probably 250 or so on there and I can give it a flick and watch them speed smoothly by until I get to the one I want when I can stop it with my finger.
Yep, not me. Running the stock rom (and a few modified roms) I was unable to get my contact list to scroll smoothly at all. I think I will make a video of it to see if anyone else can compare.
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Yep, not me. Running the stock rom (and a few modified roms) I was unable to get my contact list to scroll smoothly at all. I think I will make a video of it to see if anyone else can compare.
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Would be worth using the dedicated cdma users forum to ask other cdma phone users whether they have the same problem. My phone is GSM and that might make a difference (although I doubt it). And my son also has a (GSM) Hero and his scrolls well too.
Ok, I will try it. Watch me get accused of double posting now
i think it might be your phone.. has issues....
I am on CDMA Hero...
have it rooted.. and MoDaco 1.3....
Class 6... 8gb sdcard
both my contacts and music.. scroll supper fast.. and does not.. lag....
contacts.. I have over 150
muisic.. I have over 600
NO issues.....
you might want to take it in to vendor for replacement....

Just a thought

I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
JoshHart said:
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.
pjcforpres said:
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Paul22000 said:
Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”
pjcforpres said:
First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!
First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.
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First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!
Paul22000 said:
I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.

Eh, new PRL 60672

Dunno how long it's been out for, just giving us non-senseUI (the only real way to use a Hero ) users a heads up that it's available.
Edit: oh yea, and for the sense users that don't check often..
If you update and it gives you ****ty (my bad), worse service or whatever go HERE and look at either the OP or the 2nd post for links to download older PRL versions.
Must be relatively new. Wiped back to factory and rerooted on Wednesday. Did all the updates 3 times to be sure and mine is still at 60671.
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Must be relatively new. Wiped back to factory and rerooted on Wednesday. Did all the updates 3 times to be sure and mine is still at 60671.
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did you really "reroot", cuz going to a sense rom should not cause root loss i keep a nand of sense (nfx's rom) and just restore it, update, fastboot to recovery, restore CM and I'm good to go...
to the OP: have you noticed "****tier service"? or any difference really, usually prl does nothing noticable for me.... let me know
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to the OP: have you noticed "****tier service"? or any difference really, usually prl does nothing noticable for me.... let me know
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Service in my calc class went from 105db(basically none) - 100db. otherwise it's all relatively the same. Maybe 5db more in spots.. but nothing worse nor a drastic increase
kyouko said:
Service in my calc class went from 105db(basically none) - 100db. otherwise it's all relatively the same. Maybe 5db more in spots.. but nothing worse nor a drastic increase
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thanks for that, no need to do the 20 minute process for me then
The comment about nonsense being theonly way to use ahero isn't true anymore. The new Sprint ruu that nfx modded is better than aosop. Cm and all the rest. I've tried them all. Runs faster.no fc. Better batterylife. And has all the sense goodies. No lag at all.
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urwrstfear said:
The comment about nonsense being theonly way to use ahero isn't true anymore. The new Sprint ruu that nfx modded is better than aosop. Cm and all the rest. I've tried them all. Runs faster.no fc. Better batterylife. And has all the sense goodies. No lag at all.
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Mine runs plenty fast, no lag, no fc's ever. I'm running a custom compiled CM6.1 rom. Battery lasts longer than I need. More internal space as compared to sense for installing apps. LauncherPro's widgets look nicer and run smoother imo, I can set it to have only 2 homescreens without the extra bulk UI on the phone. Native a2sd. Slicker stock keyboard.
CM addons/settings are a plus too. Notification power control widget, lockscreen controls, UI color edits, etc.
umad?
But to be serious and all that; I'm partial to aosp mainly because I can compile it relatively easily and the android SDK is aosp. So it's practically all I've used for the past 8 (i think) months.
As you said - it's not particularly true anymore since there are senseUI roms that run extremely smooth and quick. It usually comes down to what exactly a person is looking for in a rom.
I still use lp over sense with the new ruu. But I ran cm and aosop for about a year. And I never went more than an hour without some kind of problem. That's why I was so happy that the new Sprint ruu runs so great. It even has aps2sd. And launcherpro adds some extras that you get from froyo. I honestly can't tell the difference. Not to mention my iheartradio would not work on cm or aosop. I'm so happy to have rovers morning glory back. I'm not mad. Lol. Just letting you know that there is a better Rom out there for heros than the cm6.
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What's the point if upgrading to 2.34 right now?

I am a serial ROM junkie BUT I am still in the sidelines on this one. Having read through most of the posts I still can't see what going to the beta Gingerbread achieves. Does it do anything better than the stock 2.2 which is so stable?
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I feel the same way. My atrix is my only phone so I will just watch here with interest but wait for Motorola to do it's thing....I hope.
Of course it is fun to play with, but I have gone back to 1.83. It is my only phone and the rom made for Hong Kong phones is just to buggy for every day use IMHO. They have made great progress in removing a lot of the bugs, but it is just not ready for prime time yet. If I had a backup phone I would be all over it, but as it will be coming soon I believe. I can wait.
It's been my daily driver since day one and no real complaints especially with navalynt's fixes and eye candies rolled into a flashable zip. There's a few things it does that I like. Music beta, portrait to landscape animation, crt animation when locking, etc. Fingerprint scanner is all I'm lacking and I know its just a matter of time. Don't blame ya for holding off, but as a fellow junkie I am a bit surprised =D
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Are there ANY benefits to the beta? Can someone list what they are? Speed? Camera? Battery? Software (and which apps)?
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I've been using 2.3.4 since it was released here with tutorials on how to install. I used _unknown's method. I have seen no real benefits, other than having an unlocked bootloader and a recovery I can boot into anytime I want. However IMO it is stable enough to use daily... battery life is about the same, and my phones been on with no restarts for a little over 48 hrs. The only way to appreciate all the work these devs have been doing is to try it out yourself
And I would like to thank xda for hosting a forum with an endless amount of useful knowledge for all the smart phones I've had in the last 2-3 years.
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I use it just to educate myself on the new fastboot stuff and try things out, get familiar with new layouts, etc. Education, experimentation. Seems like the wrong place to hang out if you're not into those things.
I agree with what both of you said. I love this forum and I do tinker with my device.
Just want to know, is any of the software improved / faster or better?
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Speed test wise is a bit better but this thing is such a beast its hard to see it. Camera app had a real overhaul and I love it! Battery, like above poster , seems the same. Software being gingerbread is more about cosmetics and I'm very happy in that regard ... it's pretty sexy I'm back to using launcher pro + for now but the moto-blur UI looks great. So good in fact I just started using LP+ recently. That's a big statement being as I slapped gingerblur P-ROM on the day I purchased the ATRIX!
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It's been my daily driver since day one and no real complaints especially with navalynt's fixes and eye candies rolled into a flashable zip. There's a few things it does that I like. Music beta, portrait to landscape animation, crt animation when locking, etc. Fingerprint scanner is all I'm lacking and I know its just a matter of time. Don't blame ya for holding off, but as a fellow junkie I am a bit surprised =D
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Pretty much this for me, if they get the fingerprint scanner working I'll be a happy camper
the only bug i have noticied with the phone is that the FP scanner doesn't work, and the FFC appears sideways (but is normal when videochatting to the person on the other end).
the build is noticeably faster and smoother for me for animations, especially the 3d-cube and cylindrical app transitions on Go Launcher EX. the screen transitions for open-close and vertical-horizontal are pretty nice too since froyo lacks them. once i installed all the 'fixes' that devs have come up with, i see no reason to go back to Froyo, as I can live without the FP scanner for now, and videochatting with the FFC is fine. oh yeah, and i freakin LOVE the CRT shutoff animation.
oh yeah, and the new battery use meter system is pretty freakin' cool.
I moved back to 2.2.1 from 2.3.4 since I had horrible battery life on the HKTW 2.3.4 beta build! Other than that, I have to say it is way faster and smoother than 2.2.1!
speed, battery life, those were arbitrarily the same for me..
two of my fav noticeable improvements are:
1.) ability to clear notifications from your bar one by one instead of having to clear them all.
2.) being able to boot straight into CWM w/o a charger
3.) finally fixed the slow market download speeds!!!
2.3.4 is insanely fast compared to stock. Once you take the tome to fix the small bugs it's a really good everyday rom.
On 2.3.4 I get almost the same battery life with push email and no battery conservation as I did in 2.2.2 with everything turned off. There is no wakeup lag or random pauses like before. At first it seemed like it drained battery but After a couple days when my battery had calibrated itself this were normal.
So far the only bugs I have are the funky front facing camera and I can't sync my exchange account.nmy phone no longer heats up as much as before.
I am running launcher pro and havent disable blur yet and it's super fast. For comparison 2.2.2 with launcher pro and no blur was still slow.
It's completely changed my views of the Atrix, except for the screen.
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speed, battery life, those were arbitrarily the same for me..
two of my fav noticeable improvements are:
1.) ability to clear notifications from your bar one by one instead of having to clear them all.
2.) being able to boot straight into CWM w/o a charger
3.) finally fixed the slow market download speeds!!!
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3.) Did they, seriously?! Side by side on the same game download & on the same router, my (beloved) N1 used to download at least 3X faster.. Now, that's an improvement if they fixed it!
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3.) Did they, seriously?! Side by side on the same game download & on the same router, my (beloved) N1 used to download at least 3X faster.. Now, that's an improvement if they fixed it!
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They did indeed. When I'm on wifi now at home I get full 1.5 MB a second market download speeds where as before I swore it never went above 250-300 kb / sec. Even on 3g the market finally takes advantage of the full bandwidth. I had to test downloading big game apks as regular apps kept finishing before I can even check the speeds
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They did indeed. When I'm on wifi now at home I get full 1.5 MB a second market download speeds where as before I swore it never went above 250-300 kb / sec. Even on 3g the market finally takes advantage of the full bandwidth. I had to test downloading big game apks as regular apps kept finishing before I can even check the speeds
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Brilliant!
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On 2.3.4 I get almost the same battery life with push email and no battery conservation as I did in 2.2.2 with everything turned off.
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So far the only bugs I have are the funky front facing camera and I can't sync my exchange account.nmy phone no longer heats up as much as before...
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No Exchange syncing = one less push email account. That's probably why battery life seems the same for you. Mine is noticeably worse.
Unless you didn't use Exchange push in 2.2.2, in which case forget this post.
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No Exchange syncing = one less push email account. That's probably why battery life seems the same for you. Mine is noticeably worse.
Unless you didn't use Exchange push in 2.2.2, in which case forget this post.
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I didn't use exchange or gmail push, or even fetch in 2.2
Right now my battery is 10% lower at the end of my work night following my same usage habits. 2.3.4 seems to be much more efficient with memory management as well.
I can do without fingerprint scanner and the front facing camera, this ROM is definitely better than 2.2 froyo. Now I feel like I own a dual core phone.I am unlocked and can't wait to flash an American optimized ROM!
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Thoughts on the new GB OTA 4.06.605.2

Well guys, I don't honestly know what to think about the new OTA. I tried it but wasn't overly impressed with it. However the speed and battery life is kinda nice. I still feel like it is lacking some features that a GB update should have had and I also feel VZW and HTC rushed this one. What do yall think?
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I suspect that the OTA will be a good base for future mods. I like it, but some of the features that I take for granted after using CM7 are missing.
I ran the leak for a while, I really liked it because of speed, but I can't believe they took mobile network, airplane and silent mode out of the power menu.
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I suspect that the OTA will be a good base for future mods. I like it, but some of the features that I take for granted after using CM7 are missing.
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Thats a good point. I love CM myself, been a long time fan.
I've been using the rooted leak version for about 24 hours now, moving from an EVO based mod. The new one is definitely zippier, even on scrolling, etc. I'll keep using it, but looking forward to new custom builds once the source is out and modders get their hands on this kernel.
Well, this wasn't supposed to be as big a thing compared to when FroYo was released. Expectations of that magnitude for this release were not realistic.
Differences aren't visual per se, rather just a few functional ones.
All in all, gingerbread, meh.....
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For me, it's a few things.
Feels unfinished. What I mean is some things are not what i expected. For example, i use google talk alot and with Froyo, the icon in the bar was a Sense based one. Now it's just Google Talk. This is fine, but i have to ask - was this on purpose? or a slip up?
next, I don't like NOT being able to disable ALL animations. In froyo, i could turn off the clock animations, weather ones and even the OS ones. I like that. In this one, I can't... only OS.
I have a had a few FC's with google voice setup (cleared up once configured) and Scrabble rarely notifies me of a move, but those could be app related.
battery life remains to be seen since I need to charge my phone all the way up while powered off.
it's definitely quick, but it took like 5 minutes before I started missing Synergy. Looking forward to seeing what can be done with the update.
It's a nice temporary fix for my ocd rom flashing but i think devs and most others are waiting for the final ota with some bug fixes. Isn't this lacking the new radio as well? Otherwise I am really happy it looks like they fixed the low space /data/data notification.
If we are lucky the devs will pump out some amazing roms for us that are stable and fast. Just gimme pulldown widgets, 5-row apps, recent apps in notification, and remapped rosie buttons and i'm set!
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The ones posted in this forum are missing the radio but that is because the source that gave it to our devs asked that they not include the radio when they compiled and uploaded the rom. For what reason? Who knows....
I think the update should've added sense 2.1..
I miss power toggle pull downs and right rosie, but other than that, everything for me just works and works fast. If someone can add some 2.1 features, that would be nice. Been on this since it came out, zero issues, zero lag. I use my phone for business with some music, dont install more than zbout 4 apps. Everything flies. Look at it this way, if no other roms could ever have been ported over, is this a good update from when you first got your dinc? I say hell yes. The ports are great, im not baggin cause ive flashed every rom here, but this was made for our phone. Could it have had 2.1, sure, would it have worked as good, i doubt it. All ports have some issues, all be it very minor, but they also develop lag and more issues the longer you use them. Im willin to wait a week and see what happens, im sure we will see a different ota eventally, fat lady aint singin yet.
curious about battery life
I've been using miui and have been getting good battery life. I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the new ginger
All I could think about was how ridiculously fast Sense 1.0 would be on any Gingerbread ROM.
If i were a dev I would definitely be cooking up a clean, streamlined, unbelievably fast Sense 1.0 ROM for users who don't need what 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0 have to offer.
That being said, as far as the OTA goes... We'll see?
I like the speed of this OTA, too. It's very snappy. But I'm having a problem with voice input recognizing speech. Is this a problem for anyone else?
I was using bluetooth and I said open calender and it would randomly pick a number to call from my contacts.
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It's a problem with GB in general. Try using voice search while driving and you can scream in the mic until you're blue in the face. It won't recognize anything you say.
Is that just for GB Sense based roms? I have never had a problem with voice input on CM7.
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Is that just for GB Sense based roms? I have never had a problem with voice input on CM7.
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It might be a combo of things. All I know is it worked perfectly for me on Froyo.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=4399393a95831baa&hl=en
It was fun to try it out and it's fast, but I went back to Community RC5. I won't be looking back, im sure OVO will rip whatever is good and stick it in community.

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