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Touch Flo v.3.0 available on HD?

Simple question.
I've read about the new features of the 3rd version of Touch Flo (on the upcoming HTC Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2) and they are quite interesting.
I just wondered whether by any chance this new version could be installed on the HTC HD (once it's out of course)
Thx

there are already tons of custom roms with this new tf3d

Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?

gauthierserkyn said:
Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?
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Duttys Roms, Laurentius Roms,...

gauthierserkyn said:
Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?
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Think the list is endless. Go to ROM's development forum and seach. I'm currently using Duttys 2.5 Xtreme, though Laurentius & Davideuck are just as commonly used

crashDebug said:
there are already tons of custom roms with this new tf3d
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hi...is there any way of getting new touch flo 3 without need of flashing ur phone? any chance of someone making an instalation .cab?

marasp said:
hi...is there any way of getting new touch flo 3 without need of flashing ur phone? any chance of someone making an instalation .cab?
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Go to the "Themes, Applications and Software" and you will found you cab's

excuse me for being a nub but what are the benefits of flashing vs cab install

nowhere to be seen
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Go to the "Themes, Applications and Software" and you will found you cab's
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well... i always do my home work before posting, that is why i did ask question...i could not find any cab, and believe me i spent hours looking throughout our gigantic forum...
if u know location where such cab is hiding from my eyes please share it with us.

There is no "cab" install and there never will be.
This isn't just an application you install on your phone - it's a complete system overhaul, with new TF3D, with all new and / or updated system applications: phone, calendar, contacts, call history, calculator, browser etc.
Let me illustrate however the difference between the stock ROM and the custom cooked ROM's available here on XDA. It's like going from Skoda to latest Ferrari.
That means you'll get a lot of great looking stuff, many cool applications already included, everything will be as new as possible, you'll be running at MUCH faster speed, but you also have to accept that you'll "burn more gas" - battery life may take a small impact.
Is it worth it? Well, it's like you bought a new device, so - yes.

bigv1 said:
excuse me for being a nub but what are the benefits of flashing vs cab install
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If you flash a ROM that already includes the new manila it will probably be alot smoother because the ROM will be optimized and tweaked for it! If you install it over the old Manila it probably won't give you the best experience... Also, the newer ROMs not only include the new Manila, but also things like finger-friendly menus!

really is that true???
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There is no "cab" install and there never will be.
This isn't just an application you install on your phone - it's a complete system overhaul, with new TF3D, with all new and / or updated system applications: phone, calendar, contacts, call history, calculator, browser etc.
Let me illustrate however the difference between the stock ROM and the custom cooked ROM's available here on XDA. It's like going from Skoda to latest Ferrari.
That means you'll get a lot of great looking stuff, many cool applications already included, everything will be as new as possible, you'll be running at MUCH faster speed, but you also have to accept that you'll "burn more gas" - battery life may take a small impact.
Is it worth it? Well, it's like you bought a new device, so - yes.
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is that really..... so could u explain to us what that is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493531 ..... i think it is possible.... manila is at the end, today screen replacement like the ones of SPB and others.... of course its complicated and incorporated into windows folder but as u can see impossible is nothing here ....
regards

marasp said:
well... i always do my home work before posting, that is why i did ask question...i could not find any cab, and believe me i spent hours looking throughout our gigantic forum...
if u know location where such cab is hiding from my eyes please share it with us.
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I'm pretty new to all this as well and had a lot of difficulty figuring it out! What I think happens is this: The ROM is a bit like the BIOS so you can't modify it within WM6.1. Also, the original ROMs are protected so you can't replace them with an unofficial version (they are signed).
To get around this, you can use something like Hard SPL (which overwrites the existing ROM) or USPL (which works around it).
I finally went with USPL2.5 and Dutty's extreme ROM v2.6.
Incidentally, I'm not really noticing much of a speed improvement... Especially with the music player which now takes a second to load up... Am I meant to?

What is your experience with win 6.5 build 11?

Will you please give your experience with win 6.5 build 11.
My experience:
Positives: Very cool: More storage
Negatives: Frequent crashes especially upon installation of new programs. Like I installed new version of spb keyboard, it crashed altogether and I had to hard reset.
It is more slower than 6.1.

i thought it was it was a kewl upgrade until i tried it .............
Its much slower than 6.1 not just a little but much slower, looks great but some of the options in the settings menu were missing that i was looking for but all in all i prefer the 6.1 over 6.5....which i loaded back a few mins ago(6.1)....cant wait for 7 next yr to see what tht has to offer but im assuming Viva's processor might its work cut out for it lolololol

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i thought it was it was a kewl upgrade until i tried it .............
Its much slower than 6.1 not just a little but much slower, looks great but some of the options in the settings menu were missing that i was looking for but all in all i prefer the 6.1 over 6.5....which i loaded back a few mins ago(6.1)....cant wait for 7 next yr to see what tht has to offer but im assuming Viva's processor might its work cut out for it lolololol
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Thanks for your reply!
Yes I am also of the same opinion. How can I go back to original ROM? Because we have changed the hard spl. I shall be thankful.

well, for me, it works great, except it doesnt have windows live and onenote mobile, i had to download it (except onenote cos i dont need it) on my own... speed is okay, not as fast as wm6.1, startup is slow, the new lock screen, honeycomb and titanium is cool, but the panel for email and text is EXTREMLY BUGGY (they show a X sign and nothing else), album and touchflo 2d seems to respond faster, theres a few bugs but they dont really show up much, the new touch engine (or watever the thing is called for the touch scrolling) is great, but theres touchflo scrolling which makes it really annoying (btw, is there any way to remove the scrolling? i changed the registry but its still there)... but for me, its okay for everyday use...
P.S according to the ORIGINAL POST ON PDAVIET, its based on the iolite rom(i think) and i DONT recommend you guys to upgrade to v12 but wait for v13, so in the meantime, use the v11 rom...
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Thanks for your reply!
How can I go back to original ROM? Because we have changed the hard spl. I shall be thankful.
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i too am trying to find a way... too bad theres no solution yet to change to original spl...

guys, when you say go back to the original rom, do you mean the version with 6.1? all you have to do is flash your viva again but using the
HTC OPAL ROM 6.1 V05 - Build 21014.1.6.0 version you can find in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494083
That rom is from PhamQuang too

its quite good enough,.. but sending message always notify me delivery report, and get load.... , i cant unchecked the box..

I am switching back to 6.1

MOD! please move to Vogue Upgrading Forum!
I just installed 6.5, but I think I am going back to 6.1
CONS
MD2 is far superior in every way, especially when it comes to email, you can view headers and check multiple accounts quickly, it is much nicer too.
I hate the fact that I cant quickly access my recently used programs.
PROS
it feels a bit faster
Bottom Line
I really think that 6.5 is no big deal, just a bit of eye candy, its funny how microsoft paid big bucks for fashion designers to design some themes instead of investing a couple of thousand dollars for a decent UI expert, they never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.
it is a shame that everybody is going along with it, as if this is the next big thing, it is really a very small baby step. MD2 not to speak of MD3 are far superior in every way.
Have I missed something? What do you guys think?

Which version of 6.5 did you install? The one nfsfan cooked up has m2d in it and thats what iam using... 6.5 w/ m2d as the GUI... i have noticed everything on my phone seems much easier/faster to work. No way id go back to 6.1...

kei78 said:
Which version of 6.5 did you install? The one nfsfan cooked up has m2d in it and thats what iam using... 6.5 w/ m2d as the GUI... i have noticed everything on my phone seems much easier/faster to work. No way id go back to 6.1...
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Really? I am gonna try this. Last time I tried 6.5, I did not see M2D

just try nfsfans v8 6.5 rom, if that isnt a good enough reason for you to keep 6.5, then you need to switch to a crackberry

yup... under the today options...uncheck the default and check touchflo...
I didnt like the 6.5 gui either and went straight back to m2d in the options. Just updated to v8 for 6.5 a few moments ago and the options are there... I believe nfsfan had it in is roms for the last few versions...

kei78 said:
Which version of 6.5 did you install? The one nfsfan cooked up has m2d in it and thats what iam using... 6.5 w/ m2d as the GUI... i have noticed everything on my phone seems much easier/faster to work. No way id go back to 6.1...
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I use his rom, but MD2 is buggy in 6.5 (i tried v8 too)

I loved his ROM , it's best of both world, but i mainly use M2D , and also SPB Shell 3 , switch it back and forth.

I switched back to 6.1 simply because I hated 6.5's UI on the Today screen.

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I use his rom, but MD2 is buggy in 6.5 (i tried v8 too)
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Buggy in which way? Can you eleborate?
I was using v6 r2 for almost two weeks and it was rock solid...then i switched over to v8 just the other day and again.... rock solid. If you find it "buggy" in his release you should make note of it so he can work on it and try and resolve those issues...
Personally it feels like m2d w6.1 but faster and more stable. Launching Garmin would take some time before hand, and now with 6.5, is 10x faster...

i dont particularly like the large icon start menu. is there anyway to change it to a smaller view of the icons?

I went back to 6.1.
Slingbox Mobile looks like ass using 6.5 unless I disabled both the 6.5 GUI and M2D. It's a big deal for me cause I use Sling a lot. Memory issues somewhere.
Other than that, I think 6.5 with M2D worked pretty good.

kei78 said:
Buggy in which way? Can you eleborate?
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see the screen shot please

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see the screen shot please
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that never happen to me i ahve the sprint touch works prefectly
what the.. with the purple thing lol
mine looks awesomee *_*

I don't know when you encountered that screen glitch, but I experienced a similar issue with NFSFAN's 6.5 rom after I changed themes. A soft reset always cleared up the problem for me.

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I don't know when you encountered that screen glitch, but I experienced a similar issue with NFSFAN's 6.5 rom after I changed themes. A soft reset always cleared up the problem for me.
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same thing here... its a problem with some of the themes.. not 6.5
and there is a way to get smaller icons. just seach the forums. its there somwhere in a 6.5 guide

dkl73 said:
I went back to 6.1.
Slingbox Mobile looks like ass using 6.5 unless I disabled both the 6.5 GUI and M2D. It's a big deal for me cause I use Sling a lot. Memory issues somewhere.
Other than that, I think 6.5 with M2D worked pretty good.
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What versions are you using?
Slingplayer mobile currently has these version that were just released
* SlingPlayer Mobile for Windows Pocket PC 1.6.0.114 (US)
* SlingPlayer Mobile for Windows Smartphone 1.6.0.62 (US)
* SlingPlayer Mobile for Palm OS 1.00.22 (US)
* Windows Mobile Downloads (UK)
As for an application not working correctly with a pre-release version of WinMO, thats hardly the Chefs fault as the Application might not have a version to even look at yet let alone develop for
What versions of WinMO 6.5 have you tried - different Chefs utilize different kitchens and different items and tweaks as well so without trying all of them you really dont know if one wouldnt work or all wouldnt
Up to you if you want the time to spend with it I dont use it as if I want to watch television, I watch it, if Im out and cant watch some show or event, well thats what bittorrent or hulu is for LOL
Detroit Doug

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see the screen shot please
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have to agree here - thats an incompatible version of some theme on that ROM
Have seen it a few times myself, not the ROM thats for sure as it didnt occur when you first flashed and used the device, just after something was installed
Detroit Doug

Is WM6.5 worth an upgrade?

This question has been bothering me for a while now as there is nothing wrong with my current build rom with 6.1. I have been wondering if it is worth upgrading to 6.5 (apart from testing/ hassle of reinstalling all my applications).
Apart from the UI change are there any other noticable differences worth the upgrade? Would you say the 6.5 brings new life to the device (because of the UI) or are there other changes such as the way it manages the battery, gps etc.
I hear there is a small performance hit but that is understandable to power all the new ui but apart from that the new cooked up roms are pretty much there in terms of a near perfect rom.

The only things I noticed and found useful are better finger-scrolling (however, I can't select or drag&drop icons in Total commander when scrollbar is visible) and larger menus. No big changes, still "just Windows mobile".

Just like with any software upgrade, generally it's worth it - you get new features and bugfixes, etc... Likewise, the downside is higher resource utilization and new bugs What's of more value in your universe?
The answer is... 47.
You'll have to try it and then you'll find an answer that you may like better.

No!
The answer is 42!!!
Know the facts...

i think i know exactly what you mean, oh well i will have a look tonight at the 6.5 roms and see what has been cooked up. Who knows i may like it.
Does the touchflo work on 6.5 or does it use the default windows system?

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i think i know exactly what you mean, oh well i will have a look tonight at the 6.5 roms and see what has been cooked up. Who knows i may like it.
Does the touchflo work on 6.5 or does it use the default windows system?
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I think that Duttys 6.5 ROM includes TF3D 2.5 - the latest - but don't quote me.

TF3D (ver 2.0 and 2.1) works with WM 6.5. if you don't want/like TF3D, there are several cooked ROMs that exclude TF3D.

Definately flash this, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524032, i did a couple of months ago and been updating regularly, the speed difference is awesome.

I have had major issues with battery life since I upgraded to the new SPL and WM 6.5.
I have noticed no less than a 40% decrease in battery life standby and talk time.
I have tried to go back to wm6.1 but still have the same issue so maybe its something to do with the SPL level?
Is there an easy way to go back to the original factory load? (warranty load)
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i think the 6.5 interface is awful, with icons spread all over the place. Not clean at all. i think its a step backwards. dutty 3.9 is my fav rom

I tried it out last night for a few hours and i have to say with the HTC touch flo and other things there is not much difference really to make me want to stick with 6.5. Ok there is a new menu system and the windows have a little ui improvement. Other than that its all the same + with the new bugs that xda devs are dealing with.
I am too going to stick with 6.1 as its been out longer and more bugs have been ironed out.
If it had some worth while features apart from ui i would give it a longer try and post bugs to chefs etc but its hard to test and continue using my phone, especially when i use constantly for call, txt, email,web and gps. It takes ages to reinstall all my apps and apply config.

i say it is worth it....... i hav the energyrom which in my own opinion is the best...... energyrom 6.5 with titunium

The only interest would be to access the "settings" menu in 2 clicks.
But I hate titanium and their ugly honeycomb menus.
I stay on Manila.
So for me : no interest.

i tried it and got a little confused with the menus as i did not know where anything was, the new menu system is also finger friendly but a sure waste of space.

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i think the 6.5 interface is awful, with icons spread all over the place. Not clean at all. i think its a step backwards. dutty 3.9 is my fav rom
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I agree, step backward's,like it's been changed,just for changes sake.

But you can organize them, using reSTART or do it manually

Ok then,an organized bunch of icon's all over the place.
6.5 seems to me,to be trying to appeal to both finger and stylus camp's,and doing neither particularly well.......TF3D on 6.1 is far better compromise for finger and stylus imo.
I use WM because I like the vastly larger amount of info that can be viewed and used on screen that stylus use afford's,bloating the size of menu's for finger use like in the app drop down menu's so that I have to scroll to find what I want and move twice as far up the screen because of the oversized space's,is not what I want....thus backward's step for me.

There's also a CAB makes the menu smaller too.

No doubt,probably will be one to give back the list start menu also.......question is "is WM6.5 worth the upgrade"
If they had gone back to pre WM5 volatile storage,and sped it up 50% it would for me,as it stand's,it's just the same 6.1/6/5 OS with a few more changes

Is there a way to change the start menu in wm6.5 back to 6.1 style? I like the scrolling and a few little effects but apart from the ui i do not see it worthwhile.
Its good to have something new and playwith but from the roms being released, the bugs still need to be ironed out.

Looking for a few more things...

I just got the TP2 for USCC last week. (WM6.5) I haven't used WM in about 2 years and am pretty dissapointed to find a lot of the same issues that were present then. I used to be a fairly competent WM user with above average knowledge in registry editing, ROM flashing, etc but most of what I used to use seems to have changed. So far I have found the fixes for the sms sent notification and the organization of the contact list by last name, first to first, last.
I've been all over these forums and cannot find a fix to disable the onscreen keyboard from auto-popping...ever. Also, in the sound settings menu, there is a slider to adjust ringer volume and another to adjust system volume yet these two don't work independently. I want system volume loud for hearing things like my IM app that runs in the background yet have the ringer volume lower as it's over bearing on full.
Something else I have noticed is that some settings menus appear to be there but not functioning. For instance, under settings>all settings>today there is a 2nd tab for items that does not change from the appearance tab. I've notice several menu's like this throughout the phone. It seems like there are things that other versions of WM may have had that this doesn't or simply that Microsoft/HTC got lazy in the initial release and either did not remove tabs that were not intended to be there or forgot to finish some that should. Just wondering if anyone has some insight into this.
I'm also looking for a good free IM client. I've seen many apps across these forums but with so many out there, it's hard to find the right one for me. I refuse to pay $45 for Agile messenger (although I've seen hacked versions but I would prefer not to deal with that). It's a decent app, not great but decent but $45 for a very simple app is outrageous. So, I found Slick ( http://slick.en.softonic.com/windowsmobile ) which is a free app and works great! The only feature it is missing that I liked about Agile is a notification (similar to the annoying sms message sent notification that I removed) while the app is in standby. Does anyone know of another free IM app that is simple and has that feature? I only use Google Talk and have noticed some apps specifically for that but there are so many to try, I'm hoping someone has a good recommendation to save me some time.
The last thing I'm curious about pertains to Manila. I see Manila all over these forums. I've done some reading on it and have a good understanding of what manila is. But, it's very confusing as some thread talk about reflashing ROMS for it and others talk about installing cabs over your current rom for it. Does anyone have a link to a good thread(s) that will explain things more clearly so I can make an educated decision on the best way to try this out? A, Manila for Dummies, if you will.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Edit: It looks like the "Manila" Touch Flo design is incorporated in WM 6.5 on my device already? Is this mainly the custom tabs located at the bottom of the today screen?

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...to disable the onscreen keyboard from auto-popping...
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There's an option to disable "Auto Deploy SIP" in Advanced Configuration Tool.
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... Also, in the sound settings menu, there is a slider to adjust ringer volume and another to adjust system volume yet these two don't work independently....
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Go to "Settings" tab, tap "Sound", turn off "Single Volume Control".
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... under settings>all settings>today there is a 2nd tab for items that does not change from the appearance tab....
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First of all, TF3D/TouchFlo3d, Manila, or Sense are essentially the same thing. It's a skin designed by HTC to cover up WinMo. You may say it's actualy just a very elaborate Today screen plugin. Since it takes up the whole screen, you would not be able to add other items.
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No comment. I use MSN Messenger. See if other can help you out here.
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... A, Manila for Dummies, if you will....
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See above for a crude definition. There are many versions, so that's why there's so much discussion in these forums about them. People are trying to use versions that didn't come stock with their devices.
TF2D or Manila 2D - for budget devices like the Touch Vivo, Touch Cruise, etc
TF3D v1 - originally came on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro
TF3D v2- came with the Touch Diamond 2 and our Touch Pro2.
TF3D v2.1 - came with the release of the official WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Touch Diamond2 and our Touch Pro2. Identifiable with the weather under the clock in the Home tab.
TF3D v2.5 - came with the release of the Touch HD2. Has customizable shortcuts on the Home tab, revamped People tab, coverflow-like Pictures tab and Music tab when in landscape, and other goodies.
Btw, going forward, you may want to list out what you're asking in bullet point form. Most people are put off by long essay-like posts. You'll get more responses if your post is clear and short.

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There's an option to disable "Auto Deploy SIP" in Advanced Configuration Tool.
Go to "Settings" tab, tap "Sound", turn off "Single Volume Control".
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Can't believe I missed that one, thanks.
First of all, TF3D/TouchFlo3d, Manila, or Sense are essentially the same thing. It's a skin designed by HTC to cover up WinMo. You may say it's actualy just a very elaborate Today screen plugin. Since it takes up the whole screen, you would not be able to add other items.
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I was just using that particular option as an example of a menu that is present but cannot be accessed.
See above for a crude definition. There are many versions, so that's why there's so much discussion in these forums about them. People are trying to use versions that didn't come stock with their devices.
TF2D or Manila 2D - for budget devices like the Touch Vivo, Touch Cruise, etc
TF3D v1 - originally came on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro
TF3D v2- came with the Touch Diamond 2 and our Touch Pro2.
TF3D v2.1 - came with the release of the official WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Touch Diamond2 and our Touch Pro2. Identifiable with the weather under the clock in the Home tab.
TF3D v2.5 - came with the release of the Touch HD2. Has customizable shortcuts on the Home tab, revamped People tab, coverflow-like Pictures tab and Music tab when in landscape, and other goodies.
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That actually clears it up quite a bit. So it appears that my CDMA TP2 with USCC is actually 2.1 or 2.5? I see you stated our TP2 is is 2.1 but your description of 2.5 seems to fit my phone. Either way, it looks like I can just addon on any Manila Cabs that customize the home screen more as Manila is already installed?
Btw, going forward, you may want to list out what you're asking in bullet point form. Most people are put off by long essay-like posts. You'll get more responses if your post is clear and short.
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Sorry about that, I was reading though forums for about 2 hours after the bar last night when I typed all of that. I tend to get a bit winded when I'm intoxicated.

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I was just using that particular option as an example of a menu that is present but cannot be accessed.
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Where else are there menu options that doesn't look like they belong? Anyway, if there are, then it's because of Microsoft and not HTC. We're on WinMo is on version 6.5 now, but it really hasn't changed much since I first used a pocket PC back in 2000.
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Either way, it looks like I can just addon on any Manila Cabs that customize the home screen more as Manila is already installed?
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Certainly, there are components that are possible to install via cabs. But often, you'll need to flash a ROM with the particular build of Manila that you want to get those features.

So just to clear this up, if something is made for TF3D v2, it should (or might) work with our CDMA TP2 running the stock @M6.5 rom?

Also, anyone have a fix for the keyboard thing? I remembered the name of the cab i used to use, null keyboard but can't find anything that works with this rom. I've tried a few reg edits that have not worked.

CeLlgUy said:
So just to clear this up, if something is made for TF3D v2, it should (or might) work with our CDMA TP2 running the stock @M6.5 rom?
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It should, yes. However, if you have a TP2 with WM 6.5 you most likely have Manila 2.1 (in my case 2.1.191937). If you go to the Settings tab and scroll down, you should be able to see which version you have. That being said, many cabs work on all versions, a good few has to have a more specific version (like 2.0, 2.1 or 2.5) and a mere handful needs to be spot on (e.g. 2.1.1717).
After installing such a CAB you often need to restart your TF3D/Manila/Sense, and to do so you go to Start > Settings > Today and tick off HTC Sense. Tap OK and go back in to tick the HTC Sense box again. That restarts your TF3D.
Hope that made sense.

Thx for the clarification, I think I'm ready to start customizing this thing! I'm a bit hesitant as I really like alot of the features that come with the stock home screen. My last windows device was the 8125 and I modded the **** out of that home screen but this one I simply want to add a few highlights without loosing the over all look.
One thing I have been curious about is if there is a way to put a google search bar under the calendar. I know Google apps will put one up but then I have to go to my programs tab and open google apps so I might as well just eliminate a step and open opera.

I haven't checked to be honest with you, but I am satisfied with moving the internet tab a few notches closer to the home screen tab. I find that to be quick and easy enough! One tab on the tab and the google search is at the top of the screen.

Thanks for all the help! You gave me the tools I needed to dive back in. I understand the differences in Manila's now as I've flashed about 5 or 6 different roms. 2.5 is slick in theory, especially when Dusk Evolution v2.0 is theme is added but I had to return to 2.1. Thanks again for the help to get me started.

Im client look at PalRingo.. it's pretty awesome and covers most major networks (yahoo, MSN, gmail, facebook chat, icq others.

Yes, that's what I currently use. Kind of an old thread now too. I've come a long way since I started this thread.