How many hours is good to charge my phone????
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The phone will tell you when the battery is fully charged.
It will charge until its full and will not overcharge itself...don't leave it for days though lol
You could leave it for years and it wouldn't hurt anything. The phone stops charging the battery when it is full even if it remains plugged in.
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"Li-ion batteries are not as durable as nickel metal hydride or nickel-cadmium designs,[citation needed] and can be dangerous if mistreated. They may suffer thermal runaway and cell rupture if overheated or overcharged.[44] In extreme cases, these effects may be described as "explosive." Furthermore, overdischarge can irreversibly damage a battery. To reduce these risks, batteries generally contain a small circuit that shuts down when the battery moves outside the safe range of 3–4.2 V.[24][33] When stored for long periods, however, the small current drawn by the protection circuitry itself may drain the battery; normal chargers are then ineffective. More sophisticated battery analyzers can recharge deeply discharged cells by slow-charging them to first reactivate the safety circuit and allow the battery to accept charge. Overdischarge can short-circuit the cell, in which case recharging can be unsafe.[45]
Other safety features are required:[24]
* shut-down separator (for overtemperature)
* tear-away tab (for internal pressure)
* vent (pressure relief)
* thermal interrupt (overcurrent/overcharging)
These devices occupy useful space inside the cells, reduce their reliability[citation needed]; ,and irreversibly disable the cell when activated. They are required because the anode produces heat during use, while the cathode may produce oxygen. These devices and improved electrode designs reduce/eliminate the risk of fire or explosion.
These safety features increase costs compared to nickel metal hydride batteries, which require only a hydrogen/oxygen recombination device (preventing damage due to mild overcharging) and a back-up pressure valve.[33]
Many types of lithium-ion cell cannot be charged safely below 0°C."
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Does it harm to have the device connected the whole day either to the power outlet or to pc with the USB cable?
No, it doesnt matter very much how much you charge an Li-Ion battery, though it is best to use it a bit. (just my thoughts though). Being on power all day long cant really harm the device itself.
First of all, why do you want to do that?
Anyway, as whizz said, not much harm will be done to your phone, but just make sure your screen is off. Although not a common problem, there are reports that you can get burn-in (is this the right word?) for LCD screen (eg you can shadow-y image on your screen for displaying something too long).
cos when I am at the office I can keep my pda connected to my laptop the whole workin day
If you just wnat to have your phone connected to your laptop, for whatever reason, you can disable the USB charging for your phone.
i think not harm
the battery is lithium ion and leaving it on will cause no damage whatsoever. Its charging circuit will stop charge when its full anyway.
Too many people still live in the stoneage regarding batterys and think its like the old Ni-cad batts which didnt have a charging circuit and could over charge.
Leave it in all day, all night and for an entire year. It will do nothing to damage it.
weel I was just worried for overcharging, but if the circuit stops the charging when battery if full, it's ok then
dannyoneill said:
the battery is lithium ion and leaving it on will cause no damage whatsoever. Its charging circuit will stop charge when its full anyway.
Too many people still live in the stoneage regarding batterys and think its like the old Ni-cad batts which didnt have a charging circuit and could over charge.
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If they are from stone age, you must be from Mars. Old Ni-Cad battery DO have circuits that prevent over charge. As a matter of fact, if you were to be using normal (slow) charger, you do not need any circuit to stop the charge. You can't charge a battery with the same voltage if the battery itself already had the same voltage. Go dig up your old physics book and read on the chaper on electricity.
Anyway, the common `battery knowhow` on NiCad batteries is that they need regular discharge to keep it on top shape. This is due to the fact that NiCad battery has the 'memory effect' (or oltage depression) that will cause it to work on their normal working voltages that they got used to (eg when it is plugged into a charger). Do a google on this if you are interested on lengthy explaination.
For the current Li-ion battery, the memory effect has been relatively 'concurred'. However, this does not mean you can have it on charger 24/7. Li-ion has its own aging process which is dependant on their normal working temperature (the cooler the better). Hence, having the battery pluged-in 24/7 is not a good thing (eg notice the relative raise in temperature of the battery while being pluged-in?). Do a google on this aging process.
I see a lot of folks on the forums talking about draining their battery completely to "condition" it. I have been doing some research on the net and found that this perhaps isn't such a good idea and will actually do more harm than good. Please read below:
1) Initialize a new battery. New batteries should be fully charged before their first use to obtain maximum capacity. Nickel-based batteries should be charged for 16 hours initially and run through 2-4 full charge/full discharge cycles, while lithium ion batteries should be charged for about 5-6 hours. Ignore the phone telling you that the battery is full--this is normal but is not accurate if the battery is not initialized. #DO NOT fully discharge a lithium-ion battery! Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries' life is shortened every time you fully discharge them. Instead, charge them when the battery meter shows one bar left. Lithium-ion batteries, like most rechargeable batteries have a set amount of chargers in them.
2) Keep the battery cool. Your battery will last longest if used near room temperature, and nothing wears on a battery like extended exposure to high temperatures. While you can’t control the weather, you can avoid leaving your phone in a hot car or in direct sunlight, and you don’t have to carry your phone in your pocket, where your body heat will raise its temperature. In addition, check the battery while it’s charging. If it seems excessively hot, your charger may be malfunctioning.
3) Charge your battery correctly, in accordance with its type. Most newer cell phones have lithium-ion batteries, while older ones generally have nickel-based batteries. Read the label on the back of the battery or in the technical specifications in the manual to determine which yours is.
* Nickel-based batteries (either NiCd or NiMH) DO NOT generally suffer from a misunderstood phenomenon known as the "memory effect." As described in Wikipedia and many expert sources,[2] the term "memory effect" has been widely mythologized to describe any and all deterioration of NiCd (and other battery chemistries), in many cases misleading consumers into further shortening the lives of the batteries through over-discharging to "recondition" them.
* [This section formerly read: If you charge the battery partially enough times, eventually the battery "forgets" that it can charge fully. A nickel-based battery suffering from memory effect can be reconditioned, which requires the battery to be completely discharged, then completely recharged (sometimes several times). The appropriate length of time between reconditionings varies. A good rule to follow for nickel-battery cell-phones is to discharge them completely once every two to three weeks, and only when you have a charger available.
* Lithium ion batteries can be preserved by careful charging and avoiding storing them at full charge. They do not require "reconditioning."
* Regardless of the battery type, use only a charger rated for your battery, and discontinue use of a charger that causes the battery to heat up excessively.
4) Store batteries properly. If your battery will be out of use for a while, disconnect it from the phone and store it in a cool place (the refrigerator is good, but freezing temperatures do not slow oxidation) and away from metal objects. Ensure that the battery is not exposed to moisture; try putting the battery in an airtight container or bag. Lithium ion batteries are not rated to operate at refrigerated temperatures, so let the battery sit outside the refrigerator for at least an hour before using it again. Lithium ion batteries oxidize least when they are stored at 40% charge. Never store a lithium battery at low voltage. Recharge batteries after storage.
5) Clean the battery contacts on the battery and on the phone. Over time, contacts may accumulate dirt. Clean them with a cotton swab and rubbing alcohol to maximize the efficiency of energy transfer. In addition, if the contacts are two different metals, such as gold and tin, accelerated corrosion known as "galvanic or bi-metallic" occurs. Cutting the corrosion from the contacts often requires solvents, such as acetone or nail polish remover. Be careful: these solvent dissolve plastic, so use a Q-Tip to avoid damaging the battery housing or the phone.
I've got hold of a solar panel that outputs 5v at around 350-450 ma. I was reading up on Li-Poly batteries (the Nook touch has Li-poly AFAIK) and I am concerned about this bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_polymer_battery
LiPoly batteries must be charged carefully. The basic process is to charge at constant current until each cell reaches 4.2 V; the charger must then gradually reduce the charge current while holding the cell voltage at 4.2 V until the charge current has dropped to a small percentage of the initial charge rate, at which point the battery is considered 100% charged. Some manufacturers specify 2%, others 3%, but other values are also possible. The difference in achieved capacity is minute.
Balance charging simply means that the charger monitors the voltage of each cell in a pack and varies the charge on a per-cell basis so that all cells are brought to the same voltage.
It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries; Li-poly chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous.[5] Most manufacturers claim a maximum and minimum voltage of 4.23 and 3.0 volts per cell. Taking any cell outside these limits can reduce the cell's capacity and ability to deliver full rated current.
Most dedicated lithium polymer chargers use a charge timer for safety; this cuts the charge after a predefined time (typically 90 minutes).
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So does anyone know if the Touch has intelligence built in on the device side for charging? I assume it does since you can connect to PC USB for charging. I'm hoping this is the case so I don't have to get some funky circuit between the panel and the nook to charge it on the road.
Any advice would be appreciated!
Yes, the Nook Touch has (as every electronic device which gets charged over a normal wall wart or USB) a builtin charging circuit.
I've been thinking of doing this; attaching a panel to the back and soldering onto the USB for a (hopefully) neater solution than using something external which puts pressure on the USB port
Just use a portable solar charger with a regular USB output port.
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There are actually quite a few out there to pick from if you look on amazon.
I have a "Power Monkey explorer" solar charger and it works, but it really isn't that great. It takes 8 hours of strong direct sunlight to charge the battery pack, which has a 2100 ma AA battery and then you plug this into whatever you want to charge. There is plenty of sun in the summer to charge it if I left it outside, but it really is a pia. I ususlly charge the battery pack from my computer and use it to charge my nook or cell phone when traveling if I need to. Hotels are really bad about putting electrical outlets in the rooms and shut the power off when you leave the room (any plastic card works to fix that problem).
I really don't think I would solder anything to the nook, you could do some major damage and the sun really isn't that relaible in most places. Also attaching a solar panel to the back of a device that would be damaged by excessive heat is asking for trouble. You would have to leave it in the sun for long periods of time and it would get hot. Plastic also degrades much quicker in direct sunlight so you would be damaging the case over time.
It is much better to use one of the kits with a battery pack for the above reasons and if it is a good kit it will have several adapters to you can charge a variety of devices. Unfortunately they are very expensive, I saw the one I have in Brussels for 79 euro last week. I got it for 10 euro as a promotional deal, and I wish I had bought all they had so I could sell them on e-bay.
If you are trying to save money on electricity, it will never work. I'm not sure where you live, but in the US, 1KWH Kilowatt hour (1000 watts for 1 hour) costs less than $1.00, although California is expected to be much higher. The battery on the touch is 1530mAh x 110v = 168.3 Wh, lets call it 200 with the conversion loss on the wall wart, so you can charge it about 5 times for less than $1, probably more like 10 because you rarely do a full drain and the cost is much less than $1. The solar charger I have is $89 on amazon, so you have to do between 100 and 200 complete charges before you broke even. However beacuse of the battery life, unless you really used it a lot, you most likely would never come close to breaking even. At half the projected battery life it would take about 10 years of only using the solar charger.
Don't get me wrong, I think Solar is great, but it is priced way too high to be practical. The charger I have probably costs less than $20 to manufacture in china, it sells for $89. Honestly, I think it would be cheaper to buy batteries and charge it from them than to use one of these small solar chargers, definately if you bought the batteries at Ikea!
I'm waiting for Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies, they have some really interesting stuff. In my opinion a solar powered fuel cell system is the way to go, certainly on a large scale. Still too exensive for small scale, but very cool. I've seen a house with a solar/fuel cell system completely off the grid. Large house, heat/ac, big frige and freezer, NO BATTERIES. Works great. Biggest problem I think is replacing or testing the storage tanks every 15 to 20 years.
FloydF said:
The battery on the touch is 1530mAh x 110v = 168.3 Wh, lets call it 200 with the conversion loss on the wall wart, so you can charge it about 5 times for less than $1
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Uh, the NST battery is 1530mAh sure, but it's only 3.7V so that would give it a more realistic total of 5.66Wh
The number of charges on a single KWh would be 176 (a little less as you need to account for losses in the charger and charging circuit.)
Now charging the NST from a solar cell small and flexible enough to fit the back of the NST would still be a PITA .. it will take ages, even in direct sunlight.
And, as Floyd points out, you really don't want to expose the dark back of the NST to direct sunlight, it will get insanely hot and degrade the plastic.
If you really need solar charging for your NST, something like this might be a more realistic option.
Hi all
I have brought a sunny cube v7 (cheap tablet) and upon receiving this morning I went ahead and left it to charge for a few hours. When I came back it was fully charged so unplugged it imediatly powered off. I cracked it open and the battery it self is reading about 4v but after the protection circuit its reading about 2, the tablet itself is saying its fully charged but it won't turn on without charger . tried looking everywhere but all I could read was about not charging or a defunct battery. Any help is appreciated
Just give it back if it's under warranty?
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Thats the problem it wa from china so by the time i pay for shipping back there i might as well buy another one, it was only £40
Well, you seem to know about the protection circuit.
They can vary in coverage from over-discharge, over-charge and over-current.
Some of them will actually latch up once activated.
If you battery is reading 4 V there is no reason for the protection to be activated.
You can try bypassing the protection circuit.
That's living a bit dangerously, both as to your health and the health of the battery.
Still, as a proof of principle you could do it carefully.
You can buy a similar battery protection module on eBay for a couple of bucks.
Renate NST said:
Well, you seem to know about the protection circuit.
They can vary in coverage from over-discharge, over-charge and over-current.
Some of them will actually latch up once activated.
If you battery is reading 4 V there is no reason for the protection to be activated.
You can try bypassing the protection circuit.
That's living a bit dangerously, both as to your health and the health of the battery.
Still, as a proof of principle you could do it carefully.
You can buy a similar battery protection module on eBay for a couple of bucks.
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Thanks for the info, I work as an electrical engineer repairing phones for insurance companies so i sort of know what im on about but never had this problem before and nobody at my work has faced it so thats a dead end. all I know about it is what ive read, I havent come across any information about this problem online. Do you know if i can just buy a similar protection circuit, or can I buy a bigger size battery (both in size and capacity) and will it still charge fully? thanks for the help!
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will my tablet tell me how charged the battery is if I remove the protection circuit?
2nd Edit, what controls the voltage to the battery, the circuit on the mother board or the protection circuit, as i understand it the protectionis only there in case the mobo gets a short, in other words the mobo says "im not taking any more voltage from you battery" then proceeds to shut down, is this the case? also with charging is it the mobo that starts the trickle charge +90% batt or isit the protection circuit, any help is greatly appreciated just want to get this sorted
The protection circuit is completely invisible and inactive except in cases of failure.
Charging circuits on the main board control conditioning, charging, terminating.
Determining percentage battery charge is a bit of voodoo based on voltage, temperature and estimated current load.
I don't know if any device (some? all?) are using Hall effect current sensors to measure instead of estimating.
I would think that a slightly bigger battery would not be a problem.
A smaller battery would not like getting charged too fast.
Replacing both the battery and the protective circuit shouldn't really be a problem. Are you measuring the voltage on the battery before/after the protective circuit - under load though? A battery without a load will always show a higher voltage than when "put to work". The protecive circuit itself does put a microscopic load on the battery, but I'm not sure if its enough for a decent load voltage read. if you have an old computer fan (probably won't go around if sub-5 volts, but should tolerate load long enough for a read) or something else that will "just work" off a 3.7v supply, I'd suggest you try that before shopping for parts.
Keep in mind, if buying a new protective circuit - it should be rated to comply with your tablet. Overcharge and overdischarge voltages are fairly similar across the board - but you'll want to look at Overcharge and overdischarge currents. Make sure these do not crash with the normal operational currents of the tablet. If the tablet for example, consume up to 2 amps under heavy load - you cannot use a protective circuit with an overdischarge current rating of less than 2 amps. If you did, it would trigger the protective circuit under normal (heavy) use. Same for overcharge current - make sure it is rated with a reasonable margin above what the stock charger delivers - otherwise the stock charger will pop the circuit.
I'd also advice getting one that is designed for the number of cells the current (or new) battery "pack" will be composed of. It will make putting it together much more simple and tidy.
Dear L2 G2 owners,
I really love my battery on my LG G2 and since its not removable i want to do the best to preserve its lifespan.
So what i'm doing is, plugging in my phone to the charger when i get home and leave it there even after its been completely charged.
Is that correct or should i leave the battery to complete its cycle then charge it when its almost empty.
What other tips would you suggest.
Cheers!
Cienight said:
Dear L2 G2 owners,
I really love my battery on my LG G2 and since its not removable i want to do the best to preserve its lifespan.
So what i'm doing is, plugging in my phone to the charger when i get home and leave it there even after its been completely charged.
Is that correct or should i leave the battery to complete its cycle then charge it when its almost empty.
What other tips would you suggest.
Cheers!
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From what ive read thats exactly how youll reduce your batterys life span
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The more cycles, the shorter the life span. The thing that will destroy the most is heat. These are good batteries, trickle won't do much, heat is the worst. Don't worry so much about it. Nothing you do is going to have much of a noticeable impact.
Thanks a lot for the info guys!
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Btw, these batteries are indeed replaceable. Just not in a normal way, and more difficult than say a MAXX. The back cover does come off. Just a thin plastic back that can be removed going clockwise from SIM tray.
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Btw, these batteries are indeed replaceable. Just not in a normal way, and more difficult than say a MAXX. The back cover does come off. Just a thin plastic back that can be removed going clockwise from SIM tray.
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Clockwise while facing the screen or facing the back?
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Screen to you. Easier to place back starting at bottom and working up to top a side at a time. Just my personal experience.
Any available online stores that provide such replacement batteries?
Also is there a video tutorial on how to open the back cover.
Just in case...
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Lithium batteries
Cienight said:
Dear L2 G2 owners,
I really love my battery on my LG G2 and since its not removable i want to do the best to preserve its lifespan.
So what i'm doing is, plugging in my phone to the charger when i get home and leave it there even after its been completely charged.
Is that correct or should i leave the battery to complete its cycle then charge it when its almost empty.
What other tips would you suggest.
Cheers!
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I've done a little research on batteries from such places as Battery University, and learned a few things that might be interesting. I haven't posted enough to post links, but the location after batteryuniversity dot com is "learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries" if anyone wants more information.
It seems that Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries are treated essentially the same; the difference is mainly in the packaging. As for charging, they do better if not charged 100%, and never discharged 100%. But one thing they say, which I was told by the salesman when I bought it (but didn't believe him at the time) is that they should not be charged while power is on. The charger is designed to trickle charge the battery, coming on at a certain voltage. But when under power, this cycle happens too often and stresses the battery too much. I suppose it might be OK to charge it while on if you watch it, and remove the cable when it gets to full charge or just under that. I suppose a timer would be ideal.
I just wish I knew how much difference it actually makes, since turning it off means you can't receive calls. I've had devices with Lithium batteries in the past that were left on a charger all night, and the batteries seemed to last for several years, which is probably longer than my phone really needs to last.
I still think its funny that people don't think that there isn't any charging logic in the phone and that it just willfully commits battery suicide if the user doesn't micromanage charging.
Back in the day, early battery tech such as NiCad was extremely sensitive to temperature and the chargers weren't designed with intelligence so they destroyed batteries with 'Fast' charging by overheating. Also, if you never let the battery discharge completely, the battery would start to form cadmium crystals and lower the apparent capacity of the battery. So, slow and deep cycles were the proper way to go. NiMH batteries were far superior and intelligent chargers were introduced but could still suffer the same symptoms of over heating with cheap chargers.
The idea that you can only trickle charge Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries is laughable. The rate of charge is controlled based on the temperature of the battery, if it heats up, the charging circuit clamps the current down, if it is cold it ramps it up. Also, contrary to wisdom applied to NiCad, deep discharges and full charges are harder on Lithium batteries than the earlier tech. In the mid ranges of charge the charger will go all out, when it reaches the top end it slows down to a trickle because the battery is more sensitive to stress at those charge levels. Conversely, if the battery is fully discharged, the charging circuit will start out with a trickle and speed up as the level increases.
On the G2, if there is high resistance across the data pins it stays in slow charge mode, most likely to protect USB ports not meant for charging, if there is low/no resistance it goes into fast charge mode, it thinks it must be connected a dedicated charger. If the charger or the cable gives the wrong setting to the phone the user is left scratching their head.
Luckily the AT&T car charger I bought with my Galaxy SIII works properly with my G2. Sadly the correct cable with my laptop, even with Lenovo's dedicated charging port, it stays in slow charge mode because it senses a data connection.
Edit: Also, the comment about not charging while the phone is on is another hold over from the NiCad days. Lithium technology could care less as all phones have regulated charging circuits now.