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F***ing tired waiting!

I've contacted DELL several times about this POS and they always either act stupid or stonewall. They've been jerking our d*cks about this thing for over 6 months now. I'm ready to buy an HD2 just to f'ing spite them.

meatrocket said:
I've contacted DELL several times about this POS and they always either act stupid or stonewall. They've been jerking our d*cks about this thing for over 6 months now. I'm ready to buy an HD2 just to f'ing spite them.
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Are you dumb? It's been released already in the UK, they have basically given release dates for the US and US versions are starting to pop up on ebay.

courtlandre said:
Are you dumb? It's been released already in the UK, they have basically given release dates for the US and US versions are starting to pop up on ebay.
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Like I said - SPITE! I hate a company like that jerking me around. The last time I asked a rep about it (last week), they acted like they didn't know what a Streak was and asked me for a webpage on it. I gave the guy the webpage on Dell's site and he said "oh...we don't have a release date". F'ing assholes.

meatrocket said:
I hate a company like that jerking me around.
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Haha indeed Dell support acts like they do not know what you are talking about. Then state they have no information. Dell also does not even have an information page for the product other than the press release and 1 blog post (which they never respond to comments).
I too am completely furious about their approach to getting the Streak in the hands of their customers (other than the UK). I personally believe they are tied down with partners (like AT&T and O2) restricting them to just do whatever they wanted and release it. They have confirmed at the D8 that it will release in the US in July. Almost there...
Also, this is all new territory for Dell. Overall the Streak is a beauty and for that, I could care less who made it. I just want one!

jezz ease up. If engadget hadn't managed to find the mini 5 prototype in Asia you wouldn't have known about it for so long. Whats wrong with developing your first piece of hardware in the mobile marketplace so its good and can get help get market share. I mean would you want them to launch a device that is buggy and has issues, I think not.
They have been pretty clear for the last little while on dates and launch details, more clear than some of HTC or Moto launches as of late. Go get your HD2 and enjoy some year old WinMo if thats what you really want.

I'm tired of waiting around to find out whether or not this thing will work on T-mobile. Yeah, I know about the FCC filings for the t-mobile band version but who knows if that even was manufactured.

meatrocket said:
I've contacted DELL several times about this POS and they always either act stupid or stonewall. They've been jerking our d*cks about this thing for over 6 months now. I'm ready to buy an HD2 just to f'ing spite them.
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The thing is you wont be spiteing them,they wont care if you buy one or not because loads will.you will be the one suffering if you don't get one it would be a crying shame i know it sucks having to wait but hopefully it wont be to much longer trust me the wait will be worth it mate

lufc said:
The thing is you wont be spiteing them,they wont care if you buy one or not because loads will.you will be the one suffering if you don't get one it would be a crying shame i know it sucks having to wait but hopefully it wont be to much longer trust me the wait will be worth it mate
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I hope you're right dude. I had a Touch Pro that had a digitizer failure so now I'm forced back to my 8125 Talk about TORTURE! I was going to just buy another Touch Pro or similar but hate to spend the $$ when the Streak "may" be coming out here in July. I've been drroling over the Streak for a long time, but I REALLY hate Dell's PR and handling of the release of it. That's where Apple has a real edge over other MFR's, they keep the lid on it so people don't get pissed waiting on their products. Michael Dell was smiling like a fool several times over the last 6 months with a Streak as if to say "ha, ha MF's! I have one and you don't!" Makes me want to say "suck it, asshole! I'll take my $$ elsewhere."

Hi guys,
It's worth the wait.
I have had loads of HTC's, last one being my HD2 in February.
I got the Dell Streak yesterday and I thinks its better than any of the HTC's I have had before inc the HD2.
This is mainly due to the Android OS and the marketplace download facility which is way better support than any windows based apps download, or in fact is there any?
I have installed loads of aditional apps, all free and am having lots of fun just as an iphone user would, with ease of use , but all my apps have been free, think I said that but it should be repeated.
I am very gratefull to the XDA team in supporting this device via this forum but the next major step up will be 2.2 hopefully in September.
My brief summary is its not too big but definately bigger that the HD2. The screen of the Dell is actually the size of the outer dimensions of the HD2.
The OS is much better and seems to be a more intuative device all round.
Ther is even an XDA app which saves having to go via the browser and is also very good but for some reason will not accept my login. Very easy to use.
So just wait and don't dive into a HD2 pit even though I love that as well.
John

Johny1fin said:
Hi guys,
It's worth the wait.
I have had loads of HTC's, last one being my HD2 in February.
I got the Dell Streak yesterday and I thinks its better than any of the HTC's I have had before inc the HD2.
This is mainly due to the Android OS and the marketplace download facility which is way better support than any windows based apps download, or in fact is there any?
I have installed loads of aditional apps, all free and am having lots of fun just as an iphone user would, with ease of use , but all my apps have been free, think I said that but it should be repeated.
I am very gratefull to the XDA team in supporting this device via this forum but the next major step up will be 2.2 hopefully in September.
My brief summary is its not too big but definately bigger that the HD2. The screen of the Dell is actually the size of the outer dimensions of the HD2.
The OS is much better and seems to be a more intuative device all round.
Ther is even an XDA app which saves having to go via the browser and is also very good but for some reason will not accept my login. Very easy to use.
So just wait and don't dive into a HD2 pit even though I love that as well.
John
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Hey John,
What you say is true. This device's software is great, and has a lot of apps backing it up. However, that's solely because of the Android OS. Tell me, is it worth having a 5inch screen for a phone? Wasn't the HD2's 4.3 inch big enough?
HTC also has excellent Android phones that are backed by the same software as the Deal Streak, same goes for Sony Ericsson and Samsung.
On a personal note, I don't see this phone getting as much support as the N1, Desire, or even the X10. Whether from the manufacturer or us, the community . So It all comes down to that, doesn't it---as well as the aesthetics and dimensions of the Streak as well.
I don't see the Streak going far in it's life time.

Fuzalert2k said:
Hey John,
What you say is true. This device's software is great, and has a lot of apps backing it up. However, that's solely because of the Android OS. Tell me, is it worth having a 5inch screen for a phone? Wasn't the HD2's 4.3 inch big enough?
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Two things on this:
1.6 Really? After having 2.2 on my Sexy Nexy, not sure I want to go back down...
And I played with an EVO and an HD2 last night. 4.3 is pretty big. I'm really re-thinking the 5 inch screen...but damn, it's 5 inches! This is the biggest love/hate I have ever had. Ugh.
Fuzalert2k said:
On a personal note, I don't see this phone getting as much support as the N1, Desire, or even the X10. Whether from the manufacturer or us, the community . So It all comes down to that, doesn't it---as well as the aesthetics and dimensions of the Streak as well.
I don't see the Streak going far in it's life time.
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Hate to say it, but I agree. I'm not sure Dell will roll out releases in a timely manner (I mean come on, this thing is shipping with 1.6???). And I don't see it being a huge success at 5", so I don't think there will be as large of a community offering support.

SoberGuy said:
Two things on this:
1.6 Really? After having 2.2 on my Sexy Nexy, not sure I want to go back down...
And I played with an EVO and an HD2 last night. 4.3 is pretty big. I'm really re-thinking the 5 inch screen...but damn, it's 5 inches! This is the biggest love/hate I have ever had. Ugh.
Hate to say it, but I agree. I'm not sure Dell will roll out releases in a timely manner (I mean come on, this thing is shipping with 1.6???). And I don't see it being a huge success at 5", so I don't think there will be as large of a community offering support.
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Hi Guys,
I am not agest but I am 56 and my eysight is therfore going south.
I cannot see any mobile screen without the assistance of reading glasses.
So for me the larger the better. Having said that I think going above 5" may be impractical for a phone. I have not tried it with a bluetooth hedset yet. I have one in the attick somewhere that I have been trying to flog on car boots for 3 yrs.
The streak does go in my jeans pocket as is but I am now looking round for a decent cover that will protect but not add too much to the dimensions. That may be hard.
I have found the streak better than the HD2 in several ways.
First the additional size does help with browsing and able to fit in lots of screen shortcuts for apps/widgets etc.
It does seems faster all round.
Apps install in the native 2gb memory leaving the sd card all for myself. On the HD2 I was installing as many apps onto the SD as would work.
Some of the above is due to android yes
I am patient enough to wait for the 1.6 to 2.2 upgrade and I think Dell will come through as they have a vested interest in getting the 5" working and selling itself before bringing out 7" and 10" versions.
I am new to android but maybe Dell wanted a tried and tested version as their first tablet before going for say v2.1. I dare say thier development team is fairly new.
Android 3 looks good but may not be available on our phones until xmas 2010.
I think there is definately a market for bigger phones if only for chaps of a certain age who are still techies.
The HD2 may well have a larger market but so has the iphone and there are more reasons I don't want one of them then I can discuss here. Apps are a doddle to install on Android compared witrh any windows phone.
I would like to see manila on the Dell but that will never happen as its HTC property. The Android 3 version seems to be offering a decent GUI though.

WOOT WOOT!!!!
I do not care what anyone says. I want a Dell Streak and I want it bad! I just hope this bad boy has some decent gpu performance.

Thanks [email protected] orange didn't get hold of this! All I can say. Selling my TG01 to buy myself out of my 'we sell you a mobile even though there's little or no coverage in your area by our so called vast Orange network' contract.
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O2 ftw.

Gave up!
Tired of waiting on Dell to pull their heads out. I was giving them until today to release and they let me down after 7 months of hype. I'm going with the Galaxy S on the 18th, F**K DELL!

meatrocket said:
Tired of waiting on Dell to pull their heads out. I was giving them until today to release and they let me down after 7 months of hype. I'm going with the Galaxy S on the 18th, F**K DELL!
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Agreed

Glimmer of hope???
Per BGR: We have heard from an AT&T source that the Dell Streak is launching on July 19th on AT&T...
- Can't post a link since I'm a 'new member'... just google news it...

I bounced through Dell sales chats a few days ago and finally was told by someone in the Electronics and Accessories dept. that it will be available on their website on 7/16/2010. Whether or not that is true remains to be seen.
Either way, maybe one of the other phones might be better for me (like the Samsung Captivate/Galaxy S series), since it still has a pretty big screen without all the heft of the Streak. Also, the Captivate may receive wider market acceptance and more software support from Samsung as well as developers (at least AT&T and other carriers are promoting this device, which is more than Dell is doing right now).

Johnny,
I am like you old as dirt, and the bigger the better. plus the browsing experience is better when bigger.
I wanted a Huewai S7 which is 7", but not available till the end of July.
Android OS rocks over the HD2 win crap. this is the last win phone I am going to have, selling my HD2 to my son....
Dell has really done a dirty deed to us all, but it should be worth waiting.

Please dont make the mistake of buying the samsung galaxy s, its a pile of s**t, trust me i had 1, just to many problems and samsungs UI is so slow, that it lags like hell, i now have a dell streak and i couldent be happier
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Is the Atrix that Bad?

This is the phone I was waiting to get. Received good reviews at majority of sites.
But reading about all the nightmares on every forums, all the bugs, everyone returning/exchanging it,etc.
I played with one at store for over an hour and it seemed very quick with not too many problems. I liked but its not enough time to see all the problems.
The Bell store here is selling it for $0 now on a contract. That's how desperate they are to get rid of it.
So in 10 days the price was already chopped twice.
Am I really going to have to go thru 5 units to find a decent working one?
I can live with a locked bootloader for now but everyday a new issue seems to be coming up.
It seems like this phone is a year away from being done/updated.
What are the main problems/defects I should check on before exchanging for another to make sure I'm not stuck with a crappy model.
Thanks.
Wished Motorola would get their heads out their asses with all their products.
Come out with something good then they do everything they can to **** it up somehow. You can tell them you'll sell millions of their crappy stock and they still would not unlock the bootloader. That's how seriously stupid they are.
btw, I'm actually a Motorola shareholder. Thankfully Motorola Solutions is not a complete loser.

I came from a captivate and Nexus one. I dont have any glaring issues - theres ALWAYS *****ing for every phone whenever its released. Take everything you read on forums with a grain of salt.

I've never had one issue with mine. People just like to ***** no matter how great the device is.
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I have had ZERO problems with my phone out of the box. Same goes for 2 other people I know personally.
One just doesn't like Blur.
My brother used it as his primary computer since he got it and can't stop extolling the virtues of Webtop.
He's an IT professional and coordinated a 13+ site migration from one network to another ALL from the Laptop dock.
Some of the sites he was at didn't have wifi so he was using webtop over AT&T for his ONLY connection.
Said he spent more time trouble shooting his laptop the one day he forgot the charger for the Laptop Dock then he spent troubleshooting the phone or laptop dock for the entire 2 weeks.
If citrix is a big part of your life this phone could revolutionize your life.

No problems here. I haven't experienced any bugs except for the touch screen wigging out after a 12 second hold in one place.
It is a little disconcerting that Bell has decided to drop the price only a few weeks into launch. I hope the community stays strong because I intend on keeping it.

Ditto for me -- I'm using an unlocked AT&T version on Rogers network in Canada --- absolutely LOVE the phone. Came from a Galaxy-S, Captivate, and iPhone 4 before that.
This is the best one by far, and the best android implementation so far for me.

$0 on contract!?! holy ****. just get it!

KingKuba13 said:
This is the phone I was waiting to get. Received good reviews at majority of sites.
But reading about all the nightmares on every forums, all the bugs, everyone returning/exchanging it,etc.
I played with one at store for over an hour and it seemed very quick with not too many problems. I liked but its not enough time to see all the problems.
The Bell store here is selling it for $0 now on a contract. That's how desperate they are to get rid of it.
So in 10 days the price was already chopped twice.
Am I really going to have to go thru 5 units to find a decent working one?
I can live with a locked bootloader for now but everyday a new issue seems to be coming up.
It seems like this phone is a year away from being done/updated.
What are the main problems/defects I should check on before exchanging for another to make sure I'm not stuck with a crappy model.
Thanks.
Wished Motorola would get their heads out their asses with all their products.
Come out with something good then they do everything they can to **** it up somehow. You can tell them you'll sell millions of their crappy stock and they still would not unlock the bootloader. That's how seriously stupid they are.
btw, I'm actually a Motorola shareholder. Thankfully Motorola Solutions is not a complete loser.
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I came from a captivate and Nexus one. I dont have any glaring issues - theres ALWAYS *****ing for every phone whenever its released. Take everything you read on forums with a grain of salt.
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captaincanada84 said:
I've never had one issue with mine. People just like to ***** no matter how great the device is.
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andy2na and captaincanada84 are right, some people will ***** just to *****. With that said, I have done my fair share of "complaining" but it's based on my opinion. You really can't go to a forum and ask people if you should buy something because you are going to get both sides of the fence. Just browse the forum and pay attention to what people are praising about and what people are complaining about and try to decide from that. It's really going to come down to YOUR preference.

I love my atrix.
My only problem is the facebook contact sync because of moto blur, I am having some issues with it not updating my contacts pictures.
Battery life is awesome I am sometimes in disbelief how long the battery lasts 1 day + with everything on and actually using the phone which is a must..
My phone doesn't randomly reboot I don't know about other people.
As for the locked bootloader I'm not in a rush. I have launcher pro and root so thats all I need.
Previous phones. G1, Nexus one, Dell Streak.

Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.

You just need to remember that nobody goes to a forum to state that everything is working perfectly, they only post when they have a problem. So, you have to keep that in mind.
I've been running my Atrix since it was first released and it's been very stable. My only issue is it seems to not like my AT&T microcell too much. I get dropped connections when on my microcell. Works fine eveywhere else. It's a huge improvement over my Nexus 1.

Also think about how many people are using the phone that don't read forums... So far I am extremely happy with this phone. I usually hate upgrading because there is always another phone better right around the corner, but you'll find yourself waiting forever in that case. My only dislike is the facebook integration in blur breaking contact syncing.
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Starholdest said:
Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
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Yes, please tell. I know a lot of people looking for an Atrix right now and would kill for that. If I weren't on a great retention rate plan with Rogers I'd get that in a heartbeat.

Thanks for replies everyone.
I think a lot of the negativity is people trying to trash a new device or envy. Plus it gets popular to trash any locked phone these days.
I've been waiting to get this phone since it was announced. The 4" screen seems perfect in size. Had no problem looking at the pentile graphics.
Its just scary to see the price drop so fast, it rarely happens here in Canada unless something is a super flop like the Samsung Tab, idk.
But I'm mostly going to get it in a few days and hopefully there's a good future with it and developers on here. Always learn something new. Some people are just to lazy to play around with the phone to get the max out of it.
How is the overheating? It seemed rather warm at the store.

Starholdest said:
Dude what Bell store is that? It's still $69.95 on the Bell site.
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It was in a Bell store in London Ontario.
Dude at Future Shop said he'd be match the 0$ too.
Makes me think twice when stores do that compared to whinny kids on forums because money talks and its obviously not selling that well.

KingKuba13 said:
It was in a Bell store in London Ontario.
Dude at Future Shop said he'd be match the 0$ too.
Makes me think twice when stores do that compared to whinny kids on forums because money talks and its obviously not selling that well.
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Yea I asked Bell why the price drop to $69.95 and they said "because we like to give our customers a discount", which is total BS, but it's not like they're going to flat out tell me the device is a flop.
If you want to pick it up I would suggest getting it soon because according to the Bell reps I talked to the sale ends on March 31st.
Elliott

Patience All devices are judged pretty harshly at the beginning.. You just got to reap from the benefits with a slashed price!

I'm completely happy with mine- it's fast, the screen is beautiful and it's got more internal storage than I need. If you're not a fan of motoblur, gingerblur will make you happy!
Go ahead and take the plunge.

Starholdest said:
Yea I asked Bell why the price drop to $69.95 and they said "because we like to give our customers a discount", which is total BS, but it's not like they're going to flat out tell me the device is a flop.
If you want to pick it up I would suggest getting it soon because according to the Bell reps I talked to the sale ends on March 31st.
Elliott
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Its hard to believe they'll put it back to the original price after the "sale" with all the new other smartphones coming but who knows.
More worried about Bell taking forever with updates. This with 2.3 and then 2.4 will just scream.

i love this phone to death.
best phone i have ever had.
The ability to turn into a PC is the biggest plus. This phone has so much potential. Honestly what motorola does with the bootloader and such sucks, but so long as we can at least root/sideload, personally, I am completely fine with that.
Motorola also stated that every one of their phones in the future will have webtop. So I will be sticking with motorola android phones (specially once Tegra 3D comes out) for a while until a better company has a similar PC like feature embedded on the phone. Can't go wrong with the powerful atrix! Emulators and games run SO smooth... love it.

Kudos for WMPoweruser calling out Dell

http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-microsoft-intervene-with-dell-now/
I can't thank them enough for not letting Dell off the hook. You know damn well that Dell is just trying to wait this thing out until it would be an outdated device anyhow and most of us just move on without them having to repair all these units.
As far as Dell wanting to refund some of us 50% of what we are paying (100% if you ask them, but it is 50% if you do the math) they should also have to buy us out of our mobile contracts, for those that signed a brand new contract in order to get this phone. I completely changed carriers to T-Mobile to get this device. Without the device I would have gone somewhere else. In the end, I feel these dead-beats (Dell board members in latin terms) owe me close to $1000 for this entire mess, in order to put me back in the same exact situation I was in before I got suckered into buying one of these lemons.

I second that and lets wait for a response from Dell. Can you also tip wpcenteral and engadget on the same.

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I second that and lets wait for a response from Dell. Can you also tip wpcenteral and engadget on the same.
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I have tipped engadget and gizmodo about 4 times each on this issue and that both don't seem to care.

I agree, this is a good idea...

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I have tipped engadget and gizmodo about 4 times each on this issue and that both don't seem to care.
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I think wmpoweruser is the only blog that will take this up, that's more their style to be confrontational. I tipped wpcentral but they seem too close to MS sources and wont want to rock the boat so they probably wont carry this. engadget and gizmodo's lack of response is not surprising since they are both pro-apple sites.

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Iengadget and gizmodo's lack of response is not surprising since they are both pro-apple sites.
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Which is exactly why I thought they would jump all over this and use this to report why Microsoft's business structure of relying on third parties to produce your hardware leaves you at their mercy.

I sent it off to thisismynext.com, see if they will pick it up for something relating to customer service and business partnerships.

I doubt anyone other than WMPoweruser will report it. The simple reason is that WMPU doesn't get any demo units/juicy stuff from Companies/MFG'rs. All the rest have a big parent company who has close relation with big companies and don't want to disturb the news supply chain. They don't have the balls to even speak-up unless its a widespread issue where they get to cover-up their ass.

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I can't thank them enough for not letting Dell off the hook. You know damn well that Dell is just trying to wait this thing out until it would be an outdated device anyhow and most of us just move on without them having to repair all these units.
As far as Dell wanting to refund some of us 50% of what we are paying (100% if you ask them, but it is 50% if you do the math) they should also have to buy us out of our mobile contracts, for those that signed a brand new contract in order to get this phone. I completely changed carriers to T-Mobile to get this device. Without the device I would have gone somewhere else. In the end, I feel these dead-beats (Dell board members in latin terms) owe me close to $1000 for this entire mess, in order to put me back in the same exact situation I was in before I got suckered into buying one of these lemons.
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Looks like Dell has responded (or responded by its absence at the MS media party today)... they are stepping away from the consumer business.

Homedesigner said:
Looks like Dell has responded (or responded by its absence at the MS media party today)... they are stepping away from the consumer business.
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I would not go that far. From personal experience with MS and Dell , future mango testing cannot be done until the final firmware fix is in. The primary concern, so I'm told, is the reporting of memory. Without the final fix in place, they cannot test mango. My guess is that Dell has not provided a date yet. I know mango runs well on the VP with the test build of the firmware. It runs real well. I can't wait. If you look at the MS update about Dell, the book is not closed.
Update: Dell is not off the list of WP7 hardware manufacturers. Microsoft told us that the Round Rock gang simply isn't one of the "partners ready to go" do the Mango tango right now

I'm not looking for anything beyond mango, but seeing as how the at&t version just came out it would be really disheartening to not get mango.
Really hope you are right. I'm cautiously optimistic .

venelar said:
I'm not looking for anything beyond mango, but seeing as how the at&t version just came out it would be really disheartening to not get mango.
Really hope you are right. I'm cautiously optimistic .
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Its taking this long to get a fix in place for existing phones, if they cant get it done I wont hold out hope for Mango if I were you. You are much better off just selling the phone then (if you can) and getting one from an OEM who has more experience making smartphones. For me if the DVP gets Mango is irrelevant as I will be importing the first Nokia WP7 handset I can, my only concern is using a crash-prone handset for 6 more months, not sure my sanity would be preserved after that much mental torture!

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Its taking this long to get a fix in place for existing phones, if they cant get it done I wont hold out hope for Mango if I were you. You are much better off just selling the phone then (if you can) and getting one from an OEM who has more experience making smartphones. For me if the DVP gets Mango is irrelevant as I will be importing the first Nokia WP7 handset I can, my only concern is using a crash-prone handset for 6 more months, not sure my sanity would be preserved after that much mental torture!
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...and this is it in a nutshell. All future updates are surely at risk, without the firmware update. though I personally think it will come, its easy for me to say because I'm one of the lucky ones with few problems with the phone. Until the update is out and working.....Mango is off the table for everyone because it does not offer the firmware fix...only Dell can do that

While a hand full of you have working devices; I have had 5 and all have been complete garbage. None of them can run day one WinMo7 OS for more than 10 minutes tops, without being a complete disaster. In all honesty, I can't see any of the 5 I have had running Mango without going into cardiac arrest.

Goodbye Moto, you suck & I hope we never meet again

I took delivery of my UK Xoom 3G on 2 May 2011 and fell in love with it. I knew it had bugs but I still loved it because love is blind.
I knew updates would come....I had a Google Experience Device so I just knew I wouldn't be left with a crippled device, so I kept on loving it.
Then 3.1 was released in the US. EXCELLENT I thought, in a couple of weeks we in the UK would also be shown some love by the mighty Motorola. It never came.
Other devices came late to the party and were given these mysterious software updates, my friends mocked me and my wife pleaded with me to get an iPad which would show me the same amount of love as I would give it, but I kept faith...I loved my Xoom you see.
Its now June 19th and Motorola have abandoned me, they refuse to talk to me and refuse to love me back, my poor beautifully built Xoom sits there happily force closing at every opportunity and I sit here pondering how my investment so full of promise has become a mere missed opportunity. How sad....Some relationships aren't meant to be and I for one will now be looking for a divorce. Bye Moto, I hope you can live with yourself
Sent from my Motorola Xoom 3G (now on Ebay)

I have a bit the same feelings like you...! I like my xoom really, but it piss me off that the NEW update policy of google only works in US well! Thats unfair, and this is one point why i would go to apple! Yes i have a lot of rules and things what i CANT do but i get allways software updates, for the next 2years / generations. And everyone gets the updates at the same time...!
And to Moto, Motorola should push google to deliver more update or make it like samsung to update apps over the market!!
For me at the moment, it was my first Moto device and the last one, maybee the last android...

I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!

Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.

zone23 said:
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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You're also in the US. Where we got the 3.1 update. So ours is working better than theirs.

csseale said:
I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!
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I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't

zone23 said:
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault

andyiacovou said:
I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't
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But at least they SEE

andyiacovou said:
Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault
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I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?

Let me also add this:
If you would have said that you were going to a Transformer or a HTC View then I would have thought it was the device. Instead you said a iPad which means its the operating system and using the device that you don't like. Maybe your Xoom is defective. Did you try getting it replaced?

zone23 said:
I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?
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Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580

andyiacovou said:
Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580
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Ya it sucks that other country versions of the Xoom suck so bad that is lame. We don't do apple in our house as a matter of fact we don't even speak of it. Also I did not root to fix problems I root so I can overclock and backup my device. So basically you bring that baby home turn it on and its FC city, wow.

If you like your Xoom so much why havent you done what lots of others have done, Root it and Load the US Version, I have to say though its still not perfect.. There are no good Office apps out there so its far from being capable of being used for business. Facebook App force closes quite regularly, the mail app looks a bit mickey mouse and basic. What I wouldnt give for Thunderbird and Open Office on it!!!..

Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.

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Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.
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If i'd known on the 2nd May that it's wasn't a GED and updates would be this slow, I probably wouldn't have purchased it. I don't think anyone knew at that point!
People keep telling me to root and flash US ROM, but as well as losing my 3g and voiding my warranty, I'm not sure I want to risk it and why should I?
Sent from my Xoom 3G

I'd be tempted to mention your dissatisfaction on the Motorola Facebook page too. Perhaps a little naming and shaming will push them a little harder, other than that, it may give other prospective European customers a little insight into the current support situation?
http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope

hey you guys I just popped in here from the transformer forum, I would think that google is not at fault with OTA updates only the state of 3.1 at the moment. my transformer was on 3.0 when it arrived on the first of June, and an update was available straight away. Ordered in the UK and shipped to spain. Same with my desire HD quickly updated to gingerbread. Its a Moto Thing.
Just glad Asus have gone down the same route as HTC, Great design and features just need the bugs in honeycomb ironing out now.

Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....

It really is a shame that moto has gone down this route of misleading its customers. I have owned a few android devices over the past 2 years from different manufacturers ; however the Xoom is my first device from moto and will most definitely be the last one from them.
The only reason that the US Xoom has gotten the 3.1 update (which isn't perfect, but addresses many of the 3.0 glitches) is because its backed by Google (GED)
Many many people outside the US have bought the Xoom fully expecting it to be a GED and rightfully so. Seems that once moto got their money the relationship was promptly ended.
I'm not sure if this applies to you, but over here, the Xoom does NOT come with the Google logo on the back.. this seems to be the indicator as to whether or not its a GE.

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Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....
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What I really need is a simple step by step guide to rooting, flashing the US ROM and get my 3g working. Sounds a lot to ask but if anyone can help I would be really grateful and might convince me to keep it.
I've looked at some of the threads in the development section but they are a little complicated to follow
Sent from my Xoom 3G

[Q] Why isn't the DVP more popular?

I am interested in getting the DVP. It has 16GB comes with a keyboard and the reviews all seem to be very happy with it and the build quality
Which leaves me to wonder why isn't it more popular? The focus seems to be getting the most attention. Is it because the other phones are available on contract and the DVP is not?
Are there any issues I need to look out for? This will be my first Windows device. I am upgrading from a Nokia E71. My reasoning is that I will need to anyway upgrade later once the 2nd gen Mango devices come out a year or so later.
$250-$300 is my limit. What do you guys think? I live in India so contract phones are out for me.
Thanks in advance guys!

many reasons.
1. dell screwed up from the start with available dates. they kept pushing it further and further back. people got tired on moved on.
2. when they finally did ship to customers, the devices were plagued with horrible bugs which took forever to release an update.
3. this device cannot be found/seen anywhere but from dell.com. its not even in retail stores. Most t-mobile reps don't even know about this phone. On top of that most people don't want to buy something they haven't held in their own hands before committing $400 bucks (at that time).
4. there is no developers support behind this device. Chevron won't work on this device. etc. no registry hack. blah blah blah..
5. it is pretty thick, not to mention heavy, for a device at this particular time in technology.
its sad that the dvp is such an amazing device in terms of build quality. now that dell has fixed all those issues, its practically a flawless device. but because dell FU*ked up to begin with, that's what they get... thus having to liquidate their inventory just like HP sold all their touchpads for $100 bucks!
btw, the dvp wont work on t-mobiles unlimited $5 internet plan. the imei has been locked down. same goes for using with the att version under t-mobile as well.

lemonspeakers said:
many reasons.
1. dell screwed up from the start with available dates. they kept pushing it further and further back. people got tired on moved on.
2. when they finally did ship to customers, the devices were plagued with horrible bugs which took forever to release an update.
3. this device cannot be found/seen anywhere but from dell.com. its not even in retail stores. Most t-mobile reps don't even know about this phone. On top of that most people don't want to buy something they haven't held in their own hands before committing $400 bucks (at that time).
4. there is no developers support behind this device. Chevron won't work on this device. etc. no registry hack. blah blah blah..
5. it is pretty thick, not to mention heavy, for a device at this particular time in technology.
its sad that the dvp is such an amazing device in terms of build quality. now that dell has fixed all those issues, its practically a flawless device. but because dell FU*ked up to begin with, that's what they get... thus having to liquidate their inventory just like HP sold all their touchpads for $100 bucks!
btw, the dvp wont work on t-mobiles unlimited $5 internet plan. the imei has been locked down. same goes for using with the att version under t-mobile as well.
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Fix all those issues? They broke the compass and haven't commented on when they will fix it or whether or not they will be adding internet sharing over wifi.

Bongo2k said:
Fix all those issues? They broke the compass and haven't commented on when they will fix it or whether or not they will be adding internet sharing over wifi.
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uh oh. In that case I better stick to the Focus. A pity really I would have loved to get a phone with a keyboard.

I agree with Lemonspeakers' comments. Developing and producing a brand new cell phone has to be quite an expensive project, it is mind boggling why this phone wasn't marketed as well as the Samsung Galaxy series or at least the myTouch series. The only reason I can think of is that they knew the phone was rushed and that they couldn't adequately support it which was a big complaint by many XDA users. I'd love to know what Dell's R&D costs were and what their projected sales goals were and what the actuals are.
all this aside, I LOVE my DVP and Mango iced the cake. We have many different Android phones here are work and I constantly hear from the users about how they have to reboot on a regular basis. I've probably NEEDED to reboot my phone just a handful of times in the past 11 months. Everything about this phone is so smooth. The only thing keeping me from recommending it to a power user is the lack of (easy) ICS. I can't send out our mobile workforce with a device that can't be tethered to, they are too dependent upon internet access. Other than that, this is the best of the first generation WP7 phones without a doubt.

I agree with many of the comments above.
Dell seemed to have difficulties producing the phone and it also shipped with some nasty firmware bugs. One of these involved a DMA conflict between the SD card and Wifi. Using Wifi caused the phone to lock up - for me, Wifi was unusable until the end of July!
These issues were resolved a few months ago and my device is very stable and reliable.
Other things to be aware of are:
- the device is thicker / heavier than the Focus. However, you are getting a good keyboard, so this is understandable.
- the camera is mediocre and doesn't have image stabilisation hardware. Easy to blur photos if your hands aren't still.
- the phone will probably not support internet connection sharing, unless Dell are working on a secret firmware update
Personally, I think the DVP is a great device. If you would like a Windows phone with a keyboard, I can highly recommend it. In my opinion, the Focus and DVP are the two best first-generation devices, so you can't go wrong either way.

I love DVP's design and build quality, but why I cannot recommend this device to other people around me:
1) as mentioned, very bad camera for high end device. Did Dell's engineers even try to use this camera before they used it in the real device?
2) a lot of problems with the first devices, slow updates (...and it continues: non-working compass for example)
3) my DVP have some hw problem with volume buttons and display sliding, but my service tag is not valid (other users have the same problem), so I cannot send it back to Dell in this time
A lot of people wanted DVP when they saw it, but these problems forced me to not recommend this device to them, because its quality is roulette, not sureness.

Although I am using DVP, just do not use DVP. You will be disappointed.

I find it odd that everyone is so disappointed with their DVPs. I just got mine a few weeks ago after most issues have been resolved it seems. The only issues I have is my compass doesn't work (like every DVP on Mango) and the phone seems to be worse at holding a signal than my Desire Z. It's great otherwise, definitely worth the $200 it cost me. The other issues I have are with the OS itself, not with the phone.

yeungl said:
Although I am using DVP, just do not use DVP. You will be disappointed.
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Would be more useful for the OP if you explain why.

Wouldnt swap it for any other WP7 device out now, personally. Great screen, keyboard, build. More than good enough till something special from Nokia arrives. Agreed though, botched launch, spotty support, limited availability make it a hard sell for some. If you need a solid WP7 device on the cheap though, still recommended.

efjay said:
Wouldnt swap it for any other WP7 device out now, personally. Great screen, keyboard, build. More than good enough till something special from Nokia arrives. Agreed though, botched launch, spotty support, limited availability make it a hard sell for some. If you need a solid WP7 device on the cheap though, still recommended.
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Hasn't the lumia come out yet?
Sent from my GT-I5800 using XDA App

dilzo said:
Hasn't the lumia come out yet?
Sent from my GT-I5800 using XDA App
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Not in a version compatible with T-mobile US 3G. So no use to me.

efjay said:
Wouldnt swap it for any other WP7 device out now, personally. Great screen, keyboard, build. More than good enough till something special from Nokia arrives. Agreed though, botched launch, spotty support, limited availability make it a hard sell for some. If you need a solid WP7 device on the cheap though, still recommended.
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Understatement of the year. I loved my DVP until it proved impossible to crack and i had to violate my warranty to upgrade the memory, thats BS. YOu want a phone, don't buy a DVP.

lemonspeakers said:
many reasons.
1. dell screwed up from the start with available dates. they kept pushing it further and further back. people got tired on moved on.
2. when they finally did ship to customers, the devices were plagued with horrible bugs which took forever to release an update.
3. this device cannot be found/seen anywhere but from dell.com. its not even in retail stores. Most t-mobile reps don't even know about this phone. On top of that most people don't want to buy something they haven't held in their own hands before committing $400 bucks (at that time).
4. there is no developers support behind this device. Chevron won't work on this device. etc. no registry hack. blah blah blah..
5. it is pretty thick, not to mention heavy, for a device at this particular time in technology.
its sad that the dvp is such an amazing device in terms of build quality. now that dell has fixed all those issues, its practically a flawless device. but because dell FU*ked up to begin with, that's what they get... thus having to liquidate their inventory just like HP sold all their touchpads for $100 bucks!
btw, the dvp wont work on t-mobiles unlimited $5 internet plan. the imei has been locked down. same goes for using with the att version under t-mobile as well.
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The DVP doesn't work on T-Mo prepay?
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im thinking about selling my atrix and buying this.. i had the HD7 before my atrix and i loved it.
personally do you guys even use the keyboard?
heres one for pretty cheap, dont know if its legit. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Venue-...0923683910?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a6c379046
also, all i am seeing about the mango update is you have to force it.. i dont like the sound of that, does that mean dell doesnt support this device anymore?
or do you think i should wait for the radar? looks pretty nice even though it has a smaller screen.

i use my keyboard whenever i have to type something that's more than a sentence or two. since i use mine for work i frequently respond to e-mails and i use the physical keyboard all the time.
The Mango update can be applied to the DVP without force, the DVP fully supports Mango.
the only thing holding back the DVP from being perfect is the lack of (easy) tethering

bbowman said:
i use my keyboard whenever i have to type something that's more than a sentence or two. since i use mine for work i frequently respond to e-mails and i use the physical keyboard all the time.
The Mango update can be applied to the DVP without force, the DVP fully supports Mango.
the only thing holding back the DVP from being perfect is the lack of (easy) tethering
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Maybe bay this phone for any developer, maybe Cotulla, then he porting more system image for DVP

bbowman said:
i use my keyboard whenever i have to type something that's more than a sentence or two. since i use mine for work i frequently respond to e-mails and i use the physical keyboard all the time.
The Mango update can be applied to the DVP without force, the DVP fully supports Mango.
the only thing holding back the DVP from being perfect is the lack of (easy) tethering
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i dont tether anyways, so that isnt a problem for me. radar is too expensive right now anyways.. for some odd reason. i would get the titan but the pixel density is ****. lol, it seems every WP7 has a draw back -_-

stratax said:
im thinking about selling my atrix and buying this.. i had the HD7 before my atrix and i loved it.
personally do you guys even use the keyboard?
heres one for pretty cheap, dont know if its legit. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Venue-...0923683910?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a6c379046
also, all i am seeing about the mango update is you have to force it.. i dont like the sound of that, does that mean dell doesnt support this device anymore?
or do you think i should wait for the radar? looks pretty nice even though it has a smaller screen.
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I use the keyboard ALL the time. I never use the on screen keyboard. There isn't much reason to, you can even open the phone up with one hand. Typing on the screen with one hand could be faster though, but with 2 the physical is always faster.