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Hey guys,
don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the current stage of android on HD2.
What the guys here established so far is mindblowing, but still we are nowhere near the performance of a pure android phone like the HTC Desire.
Question is, is it possible, with a fully optimized kernel and the OS running in NAND to achieve the performance of a HTC Desire?
Having in mind, that we are basically talking about the very same hardware platform regarding cpu/gpu/ram:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250
ATI/AMD Z430 GPU
576 MB of RAM.
So what do you guys think?
boba
I went to a sprint store with my HD2 running Darkstone's v5 and it seems to be just as fast as, if not faster than the Evo, so there's no reason to presume it wouldn't be the same for the Desire.
I think we will have to wait until
- we can flash android directly as ROM and not only boot it and have it running on a sdcard
- the full memory available can be used. Currently the amount of ram used by android is around 250 Mbyte as far as I know. So nearly a half of ram is unused at the moment.
I am very sure that we will have great performance mostly like on desire when these points are realized.
If I use a live wallpaper on my HD2, there are some stutters when I open the "all apps"-tab. With a static wall it is in fact as smooth as the desire I used for comparison.
But I guess the overall performance is still on a way lower level than it should be out of a fully utilized NAND
Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
when will an android ROM be available that runs from flash
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
I'm running Shub's Cyanogen and it already runs faster than my brother's Desire for the majority of tasks.
So yes.
@john00williams
how complex and risky is downloading a rar, extract it onto you SDcard, then running 1 exe file and waiting?! if after 10 mins you dont see android home screen, then you remove your battery to restart the phone and wait for new android build while using your old WM!!
you dont delete anything or remove anything.
how is that complex?? how??
also, fact that android is running from SD card only slows the bootup, while android itself is not visibly slower, cause WM is shut down completely and android is loaded into memory. for optimal usage you should have level 6 SD card anyway
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Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
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THANKYOU, I dont know why so many people are finding that hard to understand
john00williams said:
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
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Noone has any idea how long a full nand build will take, but I've read in a few places that a ETA is september...
All the devs are sharing their work as far as i can see.
there are 2 or 3 main builds now, the rest are older work...
Complex?
Get the right radio, rom, and put android on the root of your SD and run it.
Not complex at all, childs play infact.
the HD2 IS A GOOD phone. Just because you dont like winmo doesnt change that.
Maybe you should have researched a little before buying it...
If you wanted android, why the didn't you buy it?
to everyone else booting android on the hd2 is a bonus.
Please search before posting too, everything I just said has been said countless times
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it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
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Risky? It runs off the memory card, there is zero to little risk. Other than the phone heating up a little the phone being damaged is highly unlikely. And with SetCPU running mine doesn't heat up any more than it did under Windows Mobile when running intensive apps or services.
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i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
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You can tell you haven't tried out one of the recent Android builds. If I was asked to assign a percentage of usability to the Cyanogen build I'm using off my class 6 Samsung card it would be 95% and the few things which are still ropey aren't essential, or certainly not for me. I can live without full bluetooth support for example.
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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... and that makes sense definitly. It is much easier to fix issues by for example replacing a zimage file than flashing a new rom. Also we have the possibility to boot in wimo when problems occure. In my case I have four different android builds on my sdcard as I can not make a final decision which version to run yet. Some receive frequent updates, some don't.
So we should not see the lack of a nand rom too negative, its a great opportunity to fix most of the issues.
if only scrolling is smoother , all things willl be fine with me
Pagnell said:
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
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Likewise, I've not run Windows Mobile for about the same amount of time, even when people were getting issues with the early builds, I wasn't.
Windows Mobile for me is gone, even in its current state, it's far more usable than my stock HD2 ever was!
I'm still on Froyo1.0, I've not tried any of the Sense Builds out.
Phil
Ask any one a month ago how they liked the desire build they would have said its buggy and needs to be smoothed out. I have fixed every thing on my desire build (except 3g=working on it) but i have the energy rom now and 2.12 radio and runing the desire v5.7 biuld and let me tell you it is way faster than last month so sept. sounds great for the rest of the bugs to be sorted out so can the desire build run fast on the hd2 just like the born android desire? ill have to say yes
p.s. i cant say ill get rid of winmo all together thats kinda the reason i bought the phone booting into android is just one extra bonus
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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runemail said:
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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I have the htc incredible for my work phone. I am using a class 6 8gb sdcard, miri's rom, and darkstones hd2froyo. There is almost no difference between the phones. Less then 10% in speed. My incredible is stock however.
Will it be possible to put both android and winmo on nand in the future?
I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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add for that thet we have proper multitouch with no multitouch issues like one (desire , nexusone and incredible )
i want to know which is better the Nand method or the SD method,which is more stable to put on my htc hd2,thing that i want to work for me that are must are the mms/sms send and receive,the cam and the wifi-and to be able to close the apps and not have all of them running when i start up the phone also i was haveing a problem everytime i turned the phone off then put in the wall charger it would just turn off,if one could point me in the right direction in to which is betterthat would help,as well as direction on to install either one SD/NAND METHOD.thanx a mill
personnally, i noticed a huge improvement when i switched from sd to nand. incomparable.
far better, all aspects. no more disconnections, better battery life, less lags, i donot regret winmo.
My favorite rom is sergio's team core droid rom series for all the fancy effects and, of course, the swiftness.
I did not even try other ones, and tiped the team. but i'm sure others will tell otherwise.
I would agree with the above poster. Going from a SD build to a NAND build, the NAND build is much smoother and uses less battery. The best I could get on standby on a SD build was 7-9mA and actual use from 300-450mA. The NAND build uses on standby from 2-3mA and actual use from 125-300mA. If you are a TMOUS, then you should try Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build. The build addresses everything you are asking. It even uses an optimized gps.conf file to lock onto the GPS satellites quicker.
do you have the link for that one Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build.cuz that sounds like you said address all my issue
phillytye215 said:
do you have the link for that one Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build.cuz that sounds like you said address all my issue
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Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915159
I've couldn't really tell a difference between NAND and SD as far as performance and battery life. I got 3-5ma on standby with NAND, and currently I get 3-6ma on standby with SD builds. No noticeable difference in performance. The nice thing about NAND is having clockwork and being able to change out SD card. Also more builds available for NAND now. I used NAND for a little more than a month, but I felt like I took away what makes the HD2 special and unique and turned it into just another common android device like everybody has. With android flashed to NAND, the HD2 can't do anything that an Evo can't do. I was thinking about going back to WinMo because I still liked using that sometimes, when WP7 was released for HD2. After trying that, I couldn't be happier with my HD2. What other phone can run 2 great OS's almost as good as the native phones can. I now use both WP7 and Android about equally, and at this point wouldn't be able to decide between the 2 OS's if I had to get a new phone. Luckily I don't have to pick right now with the HD2. I don't think we'll ever see a phone as versatile as the HD2 is again. Hopefully soon I'll be able to boot WP7(nand), Android(sd), WM6.5(sd), and Ubuntu(sd) all from my hope at any given time.
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I've couldn't really tell a difference between NAND and SD as far as performance and battery life. I got 3-5ma on standby with NAND, and currently I get 3-6ma on standby with SD builds. No noticeable difference in performance. The nice thing about NAND is having clockwork and being able to change out SD card. Also more builds available for NAND now. I used NAND for a little more than a month, but I felt like I took away what makes the HD2 special and unique and turned it into just another common android device like everybody has. With android flashed to NAND, the HD2 can't do anything that an Evo can't do. I was thinking about going back to WinMo because I still liked using that sometimes, when WP7 was released for HD2. After trying that, I couldn't be happier with my HD2. What other phone can run 2 great OS's almost as good as the native phones can. I now use both WP7 and Android about equally, and at this point wouldn't be able to decide between the 2 OS's if I had to get a new phone. Luckily I don't have to pick right now with the HD2. I don't think we'll ever see a phone as versatile as the HD2 is again. Hopefully soon I'll be able to boot WP7(nand), Android(sd), WM6.5(sd), and Ubuntu(sd) all from my hope at any given time.
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thanks for the info and your take on it your way more advanced then iam when it comes to all that
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Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915159
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thank you for the link and what i was reading it has everything i want and need hopeful the install part is easy will try this when i get off work thank you again for your help
ok so i flashed a rom useing the nand method the problem iam haveing now is that wheni turn the phone off to charge it.and put the wall usb in the phone comes on,as well the when i got to the task killer app just about all the apps are open some are open that i never even touched,any info would help
phillytye215 said:
ok so i flashed a rom useing the nand method the problem iam haveing now is that wheni turn the phone off to charge it.and put the wall usb in the phone comes on,as well the when i got to the task killer app just about all the apps are open some are open that i never even touched,any info would help
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With magldr, you need phone on to charge. It will automatically boot when plugged in. You must charge with phone on.
And some apps do things in the background without you doing anything. Task killers aren't actually needed in android... they usually mess things up more than helps. Android is good at managing memory on it's own.
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With magldr, you need phone on to charge. It will automatically boot when plugged in. You must charge with phone on.
And some apps do things in the background without you doing anything. Task killers aren't actually needed in android... they usually mess things up more than helps. Android is good at managing memory on it's own.
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now i have a data plan but not unlimited will those open apps effect my data plan
So I've been reading about wanted to flash Android 2.3.X to my HTC HD2 and this is basically what i come up with...
***Applies to HTC HD2, not sure about other cellular devices!***
cLK - Uses PPP and you get fast connecton speed with low to no packet loss, but unstable connection and freezes. Also you can charge with phone all the way dead and off. ROM Manager works on cLK and you can boot-up faster too. Acts more like a native OS on the device installed(in this case the HTC HD2).
MAGLDR - Uses RMNet and you get slower connection speed due to larger amount of packet loss, but stable connection. Also, you can't charge without power on. Doesn't act as a native OS on the device, unlike cLK.
Has anybody fixed any of these major flaws with the flash of Android on the HTC HD2? Do these flaws still exist or has somebody fixed these issues?
In your opinion, which type of ROM is best? I have not come across any further new information and if you have please post here about what has been fixed in the last year or something with these flaws here and compare these two! Thanks a lot!
PS: I've wanted to flash my HTC HD2 for a while now but I dont know what to do just yet, seems like the default WM 6.5 is best but it is limited in things I can do, unlike Android which seems so open and awesome.
hyrule571 said:
So I've been reading about wanted to flash Android 2.3.X to my HTC HD2 and this is basically what i come up with...
***Applies to HTC HD2, not sure about other cellular devices!***
cLK - Uses PPP and you get fast connecton speed with low to no packet loss, but unstable connection and freezes. Also you can charge with phone all the way dead and off. ROM Manager works on cLK and you can boot-up faster too. Acts more like a native OS on the device installed(in this case the HTC HD2).
MAGLDR - Uses RMNet and you get slower connection speed due to larger amount of packet loss, but stable connection. Also, you can't charge without power on. Doesn't act as a native OS on the device, unlike cLK.
Has anybody fixed any of these major flaws with the flash of Android on the HTC HD2? Do these flaws still exist or has somebody fixed these issues?
In your opinion, which type of ROM is best? I have not come across any further new information and if you have please post here about what has been fixed in the last year or something with these flaws here and compare these two! Thanks a lot!
PS: I've wanted to flash my HTC HD2 for a while now but I dont know what to do just yet, seems like the default WM 6.5 is best but it is limited in things I can do, unlike Android which seems so open and awesome.
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I really don't think these can be classed as 'major flaws' at all. The lack of cold charging in MAGLDR is a flaw but I personally have never gone below 15% battery after a days' worth of use. As for the rest of it, where are the flaws? On MAGLDR I get 2Mb/s download speed which is more than enough for my personal use.
In other words, do yourself a favour and get rid of that ghastly WinMo now!
I understand how bad WM 6.5 is, but I'd rather have everything working the way it should on my phone. The question is though, have any of these flaws/bugs been fixed? To me these are problems that matter, I'd rather flash a cLK ROM but, the data connection just isn't stable according to previous threads I've read.
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I understand how bad WM 6.5 is, but I'd rather have everything working the way it should on my phone. The question is though, have any of these flaws/bugs been fixed? To me these are problems that matter, I'd rather flash a cLK ROM but, the data connection just isn't stable according to previous threads I've read.
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to answer your question, no what you stated above has not changed. no "one" is working on magldr (quotes as there was only one person - cotulla.) as for cLK i believe it is also as is now (though don't use it, don't follow it). would not expect any changes to them either.
but i mean, to be honest, you could flash to android and give it a go and be back on WM by the end of the day if it isn't your cup of tea. i don't quite get the hesitation to try something new; if this wasn't xda i would understand but since being here i assume people want to give things a go.
as for roms, again, just try things. typhoon is what i use. there are 1000s of threads of people professing what is best. again, nothing will be perfect for everyone; but tis why there are so many options.
anyways...my 2 cents. cheers.
I see.. Okay lol, thanks.. I understand basically what your saying about trying new things out, I may one day if I get real serious to the point. I might rage at WM 6.5 and say, "It's over!"
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I see.. Okay lol, thanks.. I understand basically what your saying about trying new things out, I may one day if I get real serious to the point. I might rage at WM 6.5 and say, "It's over!"
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At the very least, try SD Android and see if you like it, it has the same amount of functionality as NAND Android but is a bit slower. It still gives a good experience and nothing complicated is needed to do so, just have to copy a folder to your SD card and run 2 files. It is 100% risk-free, it doesn't affect NAND or WinMo.
I've been using nand Hyperdroid (latest version) with magldr, and it's running without flaws. Everything works well. Including some heavy 3d games.
I decided to install clk last night and so far so good. I like the fact that I can charge the phone with it off. So far, I haven't had any issues with my data being unstable. As matter of fact it seems as if my signal is better. Being able to go directly to recovery from the power menu is another plus.
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I am currently using android on my hd2 and i was thinking of trying wp7. My only use is sms calls browsing abd facebook which i could do also do with wp.
Can anybody tell me hows the battery drain in wp .?
Well according to my use?
Also if its stable and fast and everything working?
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latest WP7 is fast but off course bugs will always be there with custom ROM heck even RUU ones have bugs.
you have to charge everyday with WP7 as is for Android, see the link below it might help.
oh BTW you can dual boot if you like.
WP7 is stable and fast and everything works on the HD2.
However, after trying WP7 for a month, I went back to Android (MIUI) for two reasons:
1. Battery drain on WP7 was really bad, wouldn't even get a normal day's use from the battery without having to charge it by mid-afternoon.
2. There just isn't the scope of apps available, and (a personal reason, I know) there were some specific apps I need that I couldn't get for WP7.
The interface is slick and fast, app loading stable, and if some of my niggles were resolved I'd consider going back.
Peace
cheerphaar said:
I am currently using android on my hd2 and i was thinking of trying wp7. My only use is sms calls browsing abd facebook which i could do also do with wp.
Can anybody tell me hows the battery drain in wp .?
Well according to my use?
Also if its stable and fast and everything working?
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The battery can be problematic, but can easily be overcome with some tweaks and a spare battery, its not as much of a pain as you might think, and given that the HD2 had the luxury of being able to swap out batteries unlike some other phones its at least worth considering
if you are only doing as you suggest, FB, SMS, calls, an a bit of browsing. The WP is ideal, in fact id go as far as saying it was made for you out of the box WP beats the others hands down for such usage, it becomes somewhat more grey when you look at expanding on that but that situation will only get better with time.
I think even the most critical critics of WP agree that its people hub social integration (ie phone usage!) is unrivalled out of the box.
Im using it with WP for my main OS and carry a spare battery in my pocket (the cheapest one from ebay with external charger)
i using android but my friend got wp7 for me its better android for him wp7 when i buy my hd2 have wp7 in the same day i flashed for android for me no more win on phone
I would stick with android because it is so versitile. Wp7 is ok but i would say its more for the simple minded i guess i would say. I love android only if it had all the app thats iphone has it would be the best os out there.
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WP7 is stable and fast and everything works on the HD2.
However, after trying WP7 for a month, I went back to Android (MIUI) for two reasons:
1. Battery drain on WP7 was really bad, wouldn't even get a normal day's use from the battery without having to charge it by mid-afternoon.
2. There just isn't the scope of apps available, and (a personal reason, I know) there were some specific apps I need that I couldn't get for WP7.
The interface is slick and fast, app loading stable, and if some of my niggles were resolved I'd consider going back.
Peace
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1oo% agreed on your words
Android
Stick with android so much versatility as stated above and your going to have the same battery drain with either op, Android is definitely the way to go
Stick with Android as WP7 , isnt as stable as Android
WP7 is very smooth and stable
but it does not have enough good apps
Correction, WP is very smooth, stable and out of the box has good functionality, if your wanting a phone with social abilities then its spot on, it does lack expandability though.
Android and WP have there uses, and both are very good at different things, any one that says one or the other is generally bad can and should be ignored
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Hello,i am in hurry for sorry if i ask noob question. I buy HTC HD2 Europan version. Windows Mobile is default OS i have some experience with installing android on it. So here is my question:
- Is HTC HD2 really the beast ?
- How to extend battery life This is major problem
- Wich Android should i install that best works on HD2 ?
Thnks
1-That depends on the way you define beast. if you're talking about speed, then the answer is not. there are a lot of newer smartphones with more decent hardware that can operate a LOT faster and smoother. If you're talking about OS's it runs, then yeah. it's DA BEAST.
2-each OS has it's specific battery usage and life. This is from my own experience:
Windows mobile consumes the least of battery (or maybe it's artemis rom )
android sd builds consume more battery than nativeSD which consumes more battery than nand (thus replacing windows mobile)
windows phone has normal battery usage (lasts a day for me) but there are tricks to calibrate battery and get more out of it. i haven't tested though.
different android kernels may consume more battery, and with more apps running in the background the more battery is used.
3-which android........
everyone that come to xda asking about which rom is better gets flamed so i'll give you a few ones before you get flamed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860 NexusHD2 ICS 4.0.4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2224469 NexusHD2 JellyBean 4.2.2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124757 Sense of Eclipse GB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2126053 TouchwizMOD 3.0 (jb 4.2.2)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2303826 Pixeldroid jb 4.2.2
Just remember these are my PERSONAL favourites and each person has it's own.
now go enjoy the freedom of roms with hd2, thanks its awesome developers and never ask which rom is the best again
There's a lot of questions asked and solved in the HTC HD2 Forum, Kindly take your time to exploit and learn, you are welcome
Thanks a lot Now i have other problems I can't connect on marketplace and i can't go on facebook :v It says that i can't connect .Btw i am connected to wi-fi network on my router.
And one more think i don't want to install Android on SD card .