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Can the HD2 be as fast as the Desire with Android?

Hey guys,
don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the current stage of android on HD2.
What the guys here established so far is mindblowing, but still we are nowhere near the performance of a pure android phone like the HTC Desire.
Question is, is it possible, with a fully optimized kernel and the OS running in NAND to achieve the performance of a HTC Desire?
Having in mind, that we are basically talking about the very same hardware platform regarding cpu/gpu/ram:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250
ATI/AMD Z430 GPU
576 MB of RAM.
So what do you guys think?
boba

I went to a sprint store with my HD2 running Darkstone's v5 and it seems to be just as fast as, if not faster than the Evo, so there's no reason to presume it wouldn't be the same for the Desire.

I think we will have to wait until
- we can flash android directly as ROM and not only boot it and have it running on a sdcard
- the full memory available can be used. Currently the amount of ram used by android is around 250 Mbyte as far as I know. So nearly a half of ram is unused at the moment.
I am very sure that we will have great performance mostly like on desire when these points are realized.

If I use a live wallpaper on my HD2, there are some stutters when I open the "all apps"-tab. With a static wall it is in fact as smooth as the desire I used for comparison.
But I guess the overall performance is still on a way lower level than it should be out of a fully utilized NAND

Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil

when will an android ROM be available that runs from flash
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.

I'm running Shub's Cyanogen and it already runs faster than my brother's Desire for the majority of tasks.
So yes.

@john00williams
how complex and risky is downloading a rar, extract it onto you SDcard, then running 1 exe file and waiting?! if after 10 mins you dont see android home screen, then you remove your battery to restart the phone and wait for new android build while using your old WM!!
you dont delete anything or remove anything.
how is that complex?? how??
also, fact that android is running from SD card only slows the bootup, while android itself is not visibly slower, cause WM is shut down completely and android is loaded into memory. for optimal usage you should have level 6 SD card anyway

kerman19 said:
Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
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THANKYOU, I dont know why so many people are finding that hard to understand
john00williams said:
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
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Noone has any idea how long a full nand build will take, but I've read in a few places that a ETA is september...
All the devs are sharing their work as far as i can see.
there are 2 or 3 main builds now, the rest are older work...
Complex?
Get the right radio, rom, and put android on the root of your SD and run it.
Not complex at all, childs play infact.
the HD2 IS A GOOD phone. Just because you dont like winmo doesnt change that.
Maybe you should have researched a little before buying it...
If you wanted android, why the didn't you buy it?
to everyone else booting android on the hd2 is a bonus.
Please search before posting too, everything I just said has been said countless times

john00williams said:
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
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Risky? It runs off the memory card, there is zero to little risk. Other than the phone heating up a little the phone being damaged is highly unlikely. And with SetCPU running mine doesn't heat up any more than it did under Windows Mobile when running intensive apps or services.
john00williams said:
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
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You can tell you haven't tried out one of the recent Android builds. If I was asked to assign a percentage of usability to the Cyanogen build I'm using off my class 6 Samsung card it would be 95% and the few things which are still ropey aren't essential, or certainly not for me. I can live without full bluetooth support for example.
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.

@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.

jan-willem3 said:
@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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... and that makes sense definitly. It is much easier to fix issues by for example replacing a zimage file than flashing a new rom. Also we have the possibility to boot in wimo when problems occure. In my case I have four different android builds on my sdcard as I can not make a final decision which version to run yet. Some receive frequent updates, some don't.
So we should not see the lack of a nand rom too negative, its a great opportunity to fix most of the issues.

if only scrolling is smoother , all things willl be fine with me

Pagnell said:
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
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Likewise, I've not run Windows Mobile for about the same amount of time, even when people were getting issues with the early builds, I wasn't.
Windows Mobile for me is gone, even in its current state, it's far more usable than my stock HD2 ever was!
I'm still on Froyo1.0, I've not tried any of the Sense Builds out.
Phil

Ask any one a month ago how they liked the desire build they would have said its buggy and needs to be smoothed out. I have fixed every thing on my desire build (except 3g=working on it) but i have the energy rom now and 2.12 radio and runing the desire v5.7 biuld and let me tell you it is way faster than last month so sept. sounds great for the rest of the bugs to be sorted out so can the desire build run fast on the hd2 just like the born android desire? ill have to say yes
p.s. i cant say ill get rid of winmo all together thats kinda the reason i bought the phone booting into android is just one extra bonus

At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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runemail said:
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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I have the htc incredible for my work phone. I am using a class 6 8gb sdcard, miri's rom, and darkstones hd2froyo. There is almost no difference between the phones. Less then 10% in speed. My incredible is stock however.

Will it be possible to put both android and winmo on nand in the future?

I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.

jjones1983 said:
I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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add for that thet we have proper multitouch with no multitouch issues like one (desire , nexusone and incredible )

Worth getting an HD2 for Android?

I've been looking for a new device for a while (my magic is pretty outdated), I was pretty set on a Nexus until I walked in to a Vodafone store to kill some time and played with an HD2. I really much prefer the form factor and having a massive screen.
Is there anything stopping any of you from using Android as your daily driver?
Looking at the release notes of most builds it seems that everything's working, correct? Are there any problems with playing media? It's not an issue if I have to boot in to WinMo for watching a movie or something, but I'd rather not do for music and youtube.

the battery drain with hd2 under android is pretty high.
with some builds the power doesnt even last a day..
DN41

The clock in froyostone doesn't work as much. I tried to use the alarm but it never works.

Honestly... I love my HD2, but my answer will be "NO".
If the only thing you want is Android, get a native Android phone.
Wait for this: http://www.htc.com/us/products/evo-sprint
Now if you want the best of both worlds - WinMO AND Android - then the HD2 is the best choice, by very far, no other phone comes close.
This said, I'm using Android for daily use on my HD2 with this build:
Bangster 1.3 based on CyanogenMod 6.0.1
I just changed the settings back to 240 dpi, but it's the best I've tried so far, and everything works without a single crash for now. What's so great in this CyanogenMod based build is notably the build in graphic equalizer for all audio, something normal Android doesn't have. And fun thing, the equalizer/compressor/spacializer works better than the WinMO one.

Just have a little patience.the big event is tomorrow.HTC is presenting its upcoming handsets and HTC desire HD is one of them supposedly.
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For me man it's worth it!
I use now android as my primary OS; i have small screen freezes (from 10 to 20sec) maybe once or twice a day but i can live with that! (winmo used to do worth )
Besides it has higher benchmark results than even Nexus one!
Ok it may not be as reliable as an native android phone but believe me it's really fast and smooth!
The best built i have used (and still using at this moment) is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773790
It's a nexus build too!
By the way! Yes the ONLY and BIGGEST problem for me is the battery drain (it is heavy on every android phone); if you are willing to recharge a lot go for it! (HD2 andro or an andro phone)

I've been using android on my HD2 for about 2 weeks now. Because i sit at a desk all day it's easy for me to keep the phone charged, but I can tell that battery drain would be an issue if I didnt have this luxury. The phone itself is a piece of art, and for me it's totally worth it to run android. The only issues i experience are the occasional screen freeze (the touchscreen stops responding, but buttons work. After about 10 seconds it responds again. Happens maybe 1-2x per day, livable) and I've had to reboot it about every other day to fix bluetooth hiccups and such. Im not a fan of having to reboot phones that much even though it's easy, but hey at least I get android right? Sometimes I just reboot it for no reason just to start the day off fresh.
Theres no other phone like this available other than a jailbroken EVO 4G, and even then you are carrier limited. I love getting 3.5G on my HD2, since I have t-mobile and therefore the phone is compatible with their network. I probably wouldnt want it so much if I could'nt access the cellular broadband network.

hey OP, i would tell you something! why would you buy a nearly one year old phone???? on top of that u know that it would not be supported for the new win 7 and android on it , well... it works but not how it should. i mean with its freezes and battery drain.
The best thing to do if you want an android phone is get an android phone!!!!!
you are tempted for a large screen, then wait for the htc desire hd (same as the evo). It is expected in the coming weeks ( before the end of the yr for sure).

getting a hd2 FOR android??
nope, wait for desire hd.

Life Engineer said:
For me man it's worth it!
I use now android as my primary OS; i have small screen freezes (from 10 to 20sec) maybe once or twice a day but i can live with that! (winmo used to do worth )
Besides it has higher benchmark results than even Nexus one!
Ok it may not be as reliable as an native android phone but believe me it's really fast and smooth!
The best built i have used (and still using at this moment) is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773790
It's a nexus build too!
By the way! Yes the ONLY and BIGGEST problem for me is the battery drain (it is heavy on every android phone); if you are willing to recharge a lot go for it! (HD2 andro or an andro phone)
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I'm thinking giving Android a try... have you tried NRGZ28's Energy Android ROM over the New Nexus One Android 2.2 Build FRG3 you mentioned above?

If you like android, buy a native android phone. If you like windows and want the possibility to sometimes try out android, but the HD2. The android on HD2 is never going the be as smooth as a native phone. Period!

superjjskate said:
The clock in froyostone doesn't work as much. I tried to use the alarm but it never works.
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For the alarm (froyostone), did you have the "media" folder with all the ringtones and alarmtones in your sd card root?

kcaj32 said:
If you like android, buy a native android phone. If you like windows and want the possibility to sometimes try out android, but the HD2. The android on HD2 is never going the be as smooth as a native phone. Period!
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I agree. Buy a native android phone. There are plenty out there.

In the US, if you are on Tmous, my humble belief is that HD2 is the best Android phone. Galaxy S is disappointing, and My touches, not so much. This could change, but right now I've been running Android exclusively. However, spend some time reading your particular android thread (several pages) so you get to understand the glitches and the workarounds. I've been running my setup now continuously for about 1 month, and will continue to update Android as it gets refreshed. The developers are fantastic in that thread, and the hardware is still some of the highest spec'd stuff out there.

Another thing is the price. I bet the DesireHD will be £400+. HD2 is around £200,might get the hd2 just because its so much cheaper

dbh369 said:
In the US, if you are on Tmous, my humble belief is that HD2 is the best Android phone. Galaxy S is disappointing, and My touches, not so much. This could change, but right now I've been running Android exclusively. However, spend some time reading your particular android thread (several pages) so you get to understand the glitches and the workarounds. I've been running my setup now continuously for about 1 month, and will continue to update Android as it gets refreshed. The developers are fantastic in that thread, and the hardware is still some of the highest spec'd stuff out there.
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HD2 is far from the "best" Android phone available on TmoUS.
I have a Nexus one and an HD2...and my wife has the Vibrant. They all have their ups and downs...but I think once you throw LauncherPro and root/lag fix the Vibrant it completely smokes the HD2 in both fluid performance and visual display.
I still tinker with my Nexus...my G1 and my MT3G are retired permanently to the closet and I use my HD2 as my daily device running FroyoStone v1 and have not touched Winmo since the first stable desire build that darkstone made in early/mid July...I was one of the ones who bought my HD2 on launch day KNOWING that Android would come sooner than later, but if I had it to do again...I would have probably waited for the Vibrant to have a solid Android device.
As far as battery life...I can get a consistent 18 hour day out of my phone with 25-30% battery left with moderate usage...My HD2 gets much better battery performance than both my Nexus and my wifes Vibrant which have AMOLED and SAMOLED screens.
Now to answer your question...should you buy an HD2 for the sole purpose of running android as apposed to buying an Android phone?...If you like to tinker with gadgets and don’t get frustrated when things may not go right the first time or two...then by all means, get the HD2 and enjoy. If you want something that is going to give solid performance out of the box without any hassles...then go with the Vibrant and enjoy. I dont think you will be disappointed either way.

Or wait for the HTC vision aka g1 blaze
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Just get a real android phone, less bugs and freezes!!!!!!!! Desire, or nexus...ect....

scbrother said:
Just get a real android phone, less bugs and freezes!!!!!!!! Desire, or nexus...ect....
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people....did you read the caption of this thread?....it says "worth getting hd2 for android?" and not "can everybody tell me to buy a desire?" or "worth waiting till something get's out"
be helpful if you have the answer to the OP's question,but if you don't,don't spam the board with useless comments....
@agentaaron.....i think you are completely right

AdrianK said:
I've been looking for a new device for a while (my magic is pretty outdated), I was pretty set on a Nexus until I walked in to a Vodafone store to kill some time and played with an HD2. I really much prefer the form factor and having a massive screen.
Is there anything stopping any of you from using Android as your daily driver?
Looking at the release notes of most builds it seems that everything's working, correct? Are there any problems with playing media? It's not an issue if I have to boot in to WinMo for watching a movie or something, but I'd rather not do for music and youtube.
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I have HD2 and Im running Android full time last week or so on this build. MCCM 1.5 build is based on FRG33 ROM (for nexus one) and I have outscored Nexus One 2.2 without overclocking CPU by at least 150-200 points on Quadrant. If overclocked I am hitting 1650-1700 easily where Nexus (non-clocked is) about 1250-1300 Quadrant scores.
I think it is worth of shot unless you simply want Android that updates itself instead of having Windows Mobile which you may not use.
FYI I prefer to have WinMo on the side as I have GarminXT - which I prefer over any navi over data on the Android OS.
I guess it is up to you and what really you want ... There is Galaxy with 4.0" screen with an Android OS which still works pretty good... Your choice...

[Q]HD2 nand daily driver questions

Just as the title states. Ive been holding off on even using my HD2 (still in box) until this very day when you can flash Android right to the nand. As i see we can do this now, but my main concern is, is this stable enough to use as a day to day phone without having any issues? What are the actual limitations versus something like a Nexus S or Nexus One? Im a mobile phone whore by heart (i own a Nexus S right now) but i figured that if i can return my Nexus S and use my HD2 as a daily driver i can save some cash and still have full blown Android. So, is it 100% ready for daily use? Thanks in advance guys.

It was ready for daily use booting android on sd card. I haven't used winmo in over 7 months.

The only problem I have is that you have to manage your hardware a little bit. If you leave GPS and/or Bluetooth on they will drain more battery than they should, even if no app is using them (they drain about 2% battery per hour in standby). Basically you have to make sure they're turned off when you're not using them. As far as I know this happens with all builds. Other than that everything is peachy with my phone.

ive been using for a good 3 days,i have to say its fantastic,minamum lags,running smoothly.fantastic battery life,twice as better than when it was SD,Compared with My girlfriends Desire,battery drain is pretty much the same as hers.Well worth doing,mines only a thew months old,performance is brilliant under Android Nand,will take prob about an hour to set yours up and getting rid of Windows but well worth doing.As its new aswell might take a thew days for the battery to condition itself,just fully charge and then let it go flat when up and running android

Lol sell your unused hd2 and use your nexus s!?
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Works great for me, I can't use it because of some stupid crap that I rely on windows for, namely being able to specify DNS servers on a 3G connection, and being able to specify which apn/connection a particular email account needs to use in order to sync (for example when I'm on wifi, 1 account can still turn on 3g to sync itself and only itself then disconnect it again in winmo, android can't do that)
Basically my problems are with Android itself, and I really love Android but just can't use it because of the two things above, but Android runs 100% perfect on my HTC HD2 from the NAND

If you want the best of android, i think the nexus s outperforms the hd2 when rooted and modded properly, but yes, the HD2 is good enough for daily use.

I have 2 HD2s, one is running Froyo listed below and I am testing the Gingerbread version of Tytung's nexus one port...
Froyo works awesome (10 out of 10)... Gingerbread some hiccups here and there but overall a 8.5 out of 10.

[q] stable/good ROM

other than stock 6.5 which other roms (Android, wp7, Ubuntu anything) have EVERYTHING working? and is smooth enough to be used? (i dont need silky smooth, but i don't like anything that runs like win vista on single core pc....lol)
basically i don't play lots of 3d games, and i like long battery life and good camera and decent music (not any "awesome" sound quality needed really...it should just sound good...not cracking noises and all)
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and i prefer having usb-otg functionality too.
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also i wanted to know if sd based Android ROMs are really very laggy or not?
and finally if i keep wp7 in nand, can i dual boot an Android from sd?
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Any OS will do, Android has everything working, and wp7 nearly so. Sd card android performs identically to NAND. Faster if it's a RAM build even, but worse battery life than NAND. Ubuntu doesn't work as well, but it's sd card only, so it's not your main OS.
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If you want a ROM with everything working on the HD2, the Android Froyo Sense ROMs or Gingerbread AOSP ROMs are your best bet (Hyperdroid and Nexus HD2 are my personal favorites). I'm currently running WP 7.5 and have not experienced any hangups with the OS or any applications. Overall, the HD2 handles WP7.5 really well but you have to be able to live with no compass, buggy multi-touch, and mediocre pictures.

i actually need a working gps (i use sygic on Android currently),
a working camera (i don't care about hd video recording, but still photo should be good), a music player that can at least play songs without cracking (i don't care quality of music) and perfectly working phone/data/internet/wifi.
rest...if functions r not present....i can live with that..
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and what sort of battery life will i get from a nand Android? (2 calls, 5 msgs, 1 hr 3g usage per day)
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just try one
Hey man, don't worry most roms if not all work pretty good the hd 2s battery is not the best but I've just learned to live with it. it depends on how you use it if you play a lot of games then your battery won't last very long I listen to music all day sometimes. I've had android on this hd 2 for a year so far hyper rom is my favorite gingerbread rom an pure cm very smooth rom I'm using a ics rom now an love it.

ok... so i guess I'll be buying out my friend's used hd2 then. (he never flashed anything....so I'll take it and straightaway tear it apart...multibooting, overclocking everything....)
it's THE most hacked phone in the world...and i really wanna own it.
i believe it still has a long way to go....
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really looking forward to owning a smartphone...they is actually "smart".... mango and ics on the same device...lol...it's gonna b fun
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championswimmer said:
i like long battery life and good camera and decent music (not any "awesome" sound quality needed really...it should just sound good...not cracking noises and all)
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RE WP7.5. Check the threads & you'll see that the battery life has not been resolved yet and also camera is not 100% yet - some are actually pretty poor.
Some comparisons of AD to WP6.5 seem to indicate the WP6.5 has better phone reception.
GPS AD or WP6.5 seem to be ok. Depends what you want from it. Some, like google maps can use a lot of data as you travel unless you download via wi-fi first. So take care if you have a limited data plan. But there are plenty of navigation apps that rely on onboard maps.
Even AGPS can really hurt on a limited data plan if it is not switched off!!!

I have tried several of the Android roms, but have shied away from wp 7 and 7.5 due to the lack of apps, and inablilty in 7.5 to modify the MMS settings (HTC Sensation that belonged to a customer turned me off of 7.5). The integration with Windows 8, which I beta tested, was nice, but that was about as far as that went. Between Apple and Android, there is an app for everything.
I have used MIUI, which I liked, except for the lack of an APP drawer (fixed with ADW Launcher)
Nexus ICS, which was good, except that the phone would freeze and reboot if I hung up a call with the headset plugged in.
SuperOSR is my favorite, but it has a lot of random reboots in areas with multiple wi-fil signals;
And the one I always come back to, TyTungs CM7. It is the most stable, and fastest, and seems to have the best battery life. ICS has the worst, but is definitely the best looking. Also, I found that you can't restore from 2.3.7 to 4.0 in titanium backup. The others do this very well.

cappii said:
I have tried several of the Android roms, but have shied away from wp 7 and 7.5 due to the lack of apps, and inablilty in 7.5 to modify the MMS settings (HTC Sensation that belonged to a customer turned me off of 7.5). The integration with Windows 8, which I beta tested, was nice, but that was about as far as that went. Between Apple and Android, there is an app for everything.
I have used MIUI, which I liked, except for the lack of an APP drawer (fixed with ADW Launcher)
Nexus ICS, which was good, except that the phone would freeze and reboot if I hung up a call with the headset plugged in.
SuperOSR is my favorite, but it has a lot of random reboots in areas with multiple wi-fil signals;
And the one I always come back to, TyTungs CM7. It is the most stable, and fastest, and seems to have the best battery life. ICS has the worst, but is definitely the best looking. Also, I found that you can't restore from 2.3.7 to 4.0 in titanium backup. The others do this very well.
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thank you so much for the info...
I'll go for nand 6.5 with sd gingerbread then i guess...magldr will do the trick for me
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new HD2 user, help on rom/OS to use

Hello there
I've just got an HD2 (I know it's a little late),
but i found out that this device is even better on some midrange phones in the market (according to the budget i currently have)
i knew there are WinMobile 6.5 builds, Windows 7.8, Android SD and NAND, UBuntu and finally MEEGO.
forget about WinMo 6.5, it's really outdated.
I know that some will tell me it's a matter of personal choice, but what i'm searching for is the most stable, no battery problems, and applications support.
any suggestions about the top 3 ROMS i should test/Use?
thank you all

I'd bet on Android...

If you know that it's purely a matter of opinion then what's the logic in asking?
IMO - WP7 is fast, fluid and the best OS if you don't use too many apps
- Android works fairly well and has a much better app selection than WP, but isn't quite as smooth. It's more suited for high-end hardware
- WinMo is great (yes, that does indeed mean Windows Mobile 6.5) for business-oriented usage, with excellent battery life and stability.

bib*oops said:
I'd bet on Android...
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thanks bib*oops
Nigeldg said:
If you know that it's purely a matter of opinion then what's the logic in asking?
IMO - WP7 is fast, fluid and the best OS if you don't use too many apps
- Android works fairly well and has a much better app selection than WP, but isn't quite as smooth. It's more suited for high-end hardware
- WinMo is great (yes, that does indeed mean Windows Mobile 6.5) for business-oriented usage, with excellent battery life and stability.
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thanks Nigeldg, well i really don't want to take it from the matter of opinion side of view, that's why I asked the question
I want opinions about stability, performance and battery life, with wide applications support.
the guy i bought the phone from is using an Android 2.2 build, is it worth Upgrading to the latest 4.1.2?
my Ex-phone was an touch HD (Blackstone), so i was used to putting Winmo roms only.
i'll have to read a little about how to put Android, WM7 roms.
I Agree with you that Winmo is the best in performance, battery life and currently mostly for business use, because Applications are not developed anymore for Winmo, even existing apps(specially Social) stopped working.
that's why i don't consider putting Winmo anymore, except for as a backup.
thanks

Could you two please suggest Roms one for android and another for WM7?
there are a lot, and i don't which to begin with.

I can't answer any questions unless you provide more information about what your usage of the device will be like. Different things suit different people, you'll probably just have to try some ROMs out yourself and choose later.

Hi,
I also bought my HD2 a little late in the game (some 6 months ago) and it is my second phone, I bought specificaly because I was curious to test WP7 and I knew it to be a very flexible phone if I changed my mind or new things came by (like WP8, still hope it will work some day).
That said, I use PDAimatejam WP7.8 ROM (v8.7, to be exact) and it is very stable and very, very fast, very suited to be your daily driver. There are 2 downsides (that I believe are common to all WP7 roms in the HD2):
- Lack of apps, compared to Android (that has nothing to do with the HD2, obviously). The rom I mentioned comes with the nokia apps (drive, music, etc.), I would say that your basic needs are there, depending on the type of user you are.
- Batery usage is so-so, and the batery level is inacurate. You need to perform "rituals" (look for the camera trick, for example) to have a decent battery life.
In the android front I cannot give you a personal experience (I have a Galaxy Nexus but never used android in the HD2) but the development there is very active. I would sugest you to go to a 4.1 or 4.2 ROM, it is a vast improvement over any 2.x version of android. From what I read there are very stable versions (my phone actually came with android 4.0, but I used it just for a couple hours like that). Android has a much better app coverage and as I said the development is very active, you have more ROM options to chose from. I do not know if there are any specific bugs/"characteristics" that you need to be aware, as is the case with WP7 and the batery.
Another thing, you can always try some of the options for a few days (I would recommend at least a week or two for each OS) and decide which one you like better, or even dual-boot Android and WP7. Thats the beauty of the HD2.
Hope it helps.
Good luck,

Nigeldg said:
I can't answer any questions unless you provide more information about what your usage of the device will be like. Different things suit different people, you'll probably just have to try some ROMs out yourself and choose later.
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Well, these are the apps I Mostly use: Facebook, Twitter, WhatsUp, Skype, Navigation, RSS....
Android and WM7 will it be then i guess, with android as the main OS.
could you point me to a good Anroid ROM to start with?
sandro.bertini said:
Hi,
I also bought my HD2 a little late in the game (some 6 months ago) and it is my second phone, I bought specificaly because I was curious to test WP7 and I knew it to be a very flexible phone if I changed my mind or new things came by (like WP8, still hope it will work some day).
That said, I use PDAimatejam WP7.8 ROM (v8.7, to be exact) and it is very stable and very, very fast, very suited to be your daily driver. There are 2 downsides (that I believe are common to all WP7 roms in the HD2):
- Lack of apps, compared to Android (that has nothing to do with the HD2, obviously). The rom I mentioned comes with the nokia apps (drive, music, etc.), I would say that your basic needs are there, depending on the type of user you are.
- Batery usage is so-so, and the batery level is inacurate. You need to perform "rituals" (look for the camera trick, for example) to have a decent battery life.
In the android front I cannot give you a personal experience (I have a Galaxy Nexus but never used android in the HD2) but the development there is very active. I would sugest you to go to a 4.1 or 4.2 ROM, it is a vast improvement over any 2.x version of android. From what I read there are very stable versions (my phone actually came with android 4.0, but I used it just for a couple hours like that). Android has a much better app coverage and as I said the development is very active, you have more ROM options to chose from. I do not know if there are any specific bugs/"characteristics" that you need to be aware, as is the case with WP7 and the batery.
Another thing, you can always try some of the options for a few days (I would recommend at least a week or two for each OS) and decide which one you like better, or even dual-boot Android and WP7. Thats the beauty of the HD2.
Hope it helps.
Good luck,
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thanks Sandro, I will definitly give WM7 a shot,
any quick guides on burning Android/WM7 ROMS, i know the forum has articles about that, but asking experienced users is better for a noob like me at the moment
thanks.

If you don't browse the web too much and don't do any heavy gaming then go for a GB ROM. Choose one yourself, there are tonnes and all are good, but just don't use Sense. A CM7/MIUI GB ROM should work fine for you. I've never used WP so I can't recommend any ROMs, I guess just get the latest version if you can. I'm not going to link you to any guides because you're supposed to search (that's one of the forum rules) so I don't really see why I should do it for you

Nigeldg said:
If you don't browse the web too much and don't do any heavy gaming then go for a GB ROM. Choose one yourself, there are tonnes and all are good, but just don't use Sense. A CM7/MIUI GB ROM should work fine for you. I've never used WP so I can't recommend any ROMs, I guess just get the latest version if you can. I'm not going to link you to any guides because you're supposed to search (that's one of the forum rules) so I don't really see why I should do it for you
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thanks Nigeldg

if you want an easy intro to android, consider installing Darkstone's superram froyo on SD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
it's an easy quick install, everything is supported hardware-wise and if you have the latest stock rom (3.14?) you won't have to change anything on the phone. it boots and runs fast from winMo.
if i'd known how easy and useful it was going to be i'd have installed this ages ago.

theabsurdman said:
if you want an easy intro to android, consider installing Darkstone's superram froyo on SD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
it's an easy quick install, everything is supported hardware-wise and if you have the latest stock rom (3.14?) you won't have to change anything on the phone. it boots and runs fast from winMo.
if i'd known how easy and useful it was going to be i'd have installed this ages ago.
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Lol you're a good few years late with that one mate

theabsurdman said:
if you want an easy intro to android, consider installing Darkstone's superram froyo on SD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
it's an easy quick install, everything is supported hardware-wise and if you have the latest stock rom (3.14?) you won't have to change anything on the phone. it boots and runs fast from winMo.
if i'd known how easy and useful it was going to be i'd have installed this ages ago.
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Thanks theabsurdman, but i already have Froyo, and i'm thinking about getting the latest Android version.