So I'm thinking about ditching my MyTouch Slide [Espresso] and jumping over to the HD2, since my friend did that a few months ago, and he's been experiencing nothing but good things, but I still have a few questions to ask the general Android HD2 community, since apparently the HD2 is more supported than the Nexus One.
[Sorry, TONS of questions here]
How does the battery normally hold up? I know it depends on the rom [Sense drains battery like a *****, I know from personal experience], but I'm asking about generalities here. On light usage, does your phone last for 12 hours? 10?
What is still the most generally buggy feature on the HD2, regardless of ROM? Wifi? Bluetooth? Camera? In other words, what usually doesn't work and/or is the most buggy?
Do most market apps work for the HD2? Because I know certain apps are optimized for certain phones, and I'm wondering what apps usually work/don't work.
Is the touch screen REALLY that receptive? I hear that it's one of the best on any Android-running phone.
and finally...
What is the maximum STABLE overclock you can push onto the HD2?
Sorry for the tons and tons of questions. I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing before dropping $250 on a phone, lol.
Ok gonna do my best here. With wifi off I easily get 10+ with medium usage. Wifi, bluetooth, all work fine, still have data freezes using ppp but they getting to be few and far between. Still have touch screen freezes occasionally but you just wait a sec and all is well again. Touch screen us very responsive.. Every app I have tried has installed with no problems. My hd2 oc's stable to 1.113 ghz which is plenty for me, some will even go to 1.28 oc, just depends in the phone. Things are getting better every week of development. So in conclusion (never used a mt slide) if you can handle a strictly touch screen phone. And like to try new builds go for it.. I'm sure you won't be disappointed
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squish099 said:
Ok gonna do my best here. With wifi off I easily get 10+ with medium usage. Wifi, bluetooth, all work fine, still have data freezes using ppp but they getting to be few and far between. Still have touch screen freezes occasionally but you just wait a sec and all is well again. Touch screen us very responsive.. Every app I have tried has installed with no problems. My hd2 oc's stable to 1.113 ghz which is plenty for me, some will even go to 1.28 oc, just depends in the phone. Things are getting better every week of development. So in conclusion (never used a mt slide) if you can handle a strictly touch screen phone. And like to try new builds go for it.. I'm sure you won't be disappointed
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What rom are you running?
Android: cmy's tmous blue topia. Winmo.. I don't remember, its a full rom with cht2.0...
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GoCkillaz said:
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[Sorry, TONS of questions here]
How does the battery normally hold up? I know it depends on the rom [Sense drains battery like a *****, I know from personal experience], but I'm asking about generalities here. On light usage, does your phone last for 12 hours? 10?
What is still the most generally buggy feature on the HD2, regardless of ROM? Wifi? Bluetooth? Camera? In other words, what usually doesn't work and/or is the most buggy?
Do most market apps work for the HD2? Because I know certain apps are optimized for certain phones, and I'm wondering what apps usually work/don't work.
Is the touch screen REALLY that receptive? I hear that it's one of the best on any Android-running phone.
and finally...
What is the maximum STABLE overclock you can push onto the HD2?
Sorry for the tons and tons of questions. I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing before dropping $250 on a phone, lol.
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Battery life for me is about 28-30 hours with average use (about an hour of calls, couple dozen emails, and an hour or so of music, 3G connected all the time, and about an hour browsing). Calibration is the key to getting good battery life. Even with heavy usage (3 hours calls, 2 hours music, Wifi connected four hours and heavy browsing and some gaming) My battery still lasts over 12 hours.
Most buggy... depends really on ROM. The build I'm using now (see sig) is [knock on wood] pretty flawless. I've not had an error in the three days I've been using it so far, but not everyone is as lucky as me. Your milage WILL vary. Some roms work perfect for some and are horrendous for others.
Again, I've not found an app that doesn't work yet. HD2 is a top of the line spec phone, so if something doesn't work on it, the app itself is usually at fault.
The touch screen is AMAZING, easily the best I've used and compares well to the Desire HD's screen.
Overclocking is pointless. End of story. You have a 1Ghz processor in the HD2, unless you're planning to take over the world why would you need anything more than that to play Angry Birds?
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Battery life for me is about 28-30 hours with average use (about an hour of calls, couple dozen emails, and an hour or so of music, 3G connected all the time, and about an hour browsing). Calibration is the key to getting good battery life. Even with heavy usage (3 hours calls, 2 hours music, Wifi connected four hours and heavy browsing and some gaming) My battery still lasts over 12 hours.
Most buggy... depends really on ROM. The build I'm using now (see sig) is [knock on wood] pretty flawless. I've not had an error in the three days I've been using it so far, but not everyone is as lucky as me. Your milage WILL vary. Some roms work perfect for some and are horrendous for others.
Again, I've not found an app that doesn't work yet. HD2 is a top of the line spec phone, so if something doesn't work on it, the app itself is usually at fault.
The touch screen is AMAZING, easily the best I've used and compares well to the Desire HD's screen.
Overclocking is pointless. End of story. You have a 1Ghz processor in the HD2, unless you're planning to take over the world why would you need anything more than that to play Angry Birds?
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Ok, this was REALLY helpful. What Quadrant score do you usually get?
Sent from a phone that's better than yo Momma's. bbq.
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Ok, this was REALLY helpful. What Quadrant score do you usually get?
Sent from a phone that's better than yo Momma's. bbq.
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Quadrant scores are useless too. They really just measure how modified your kernel is to fit the test - it doesn't really translate to real life usage at all.
I have tried pretty much every build there is and I have settled on the CM6 builds being the most stable and smoothest. I started using Shubcraft(RMNET) in August and since then I tried out all kinds of Sense builds. After a day or two with the sense builds I always got tired of the lag that there is in sense, or other problems like the camera not working in some sense builds, or the PPP connection being so unstable.
I am now using Michyprima's daily CM6 build. It is very stable, I get through a day(8am-10pm) everyday even w/ pretty heavy use. My only complaint is that there are still TS freezes (even though I read they are supposed to be fixed), the PPP data connection freezes too frequently, and sometimes the screen takes a little while to wake up.
The phone is quite usable for day to day use, but it isn't free of bugs like your MT Slide is.
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Quadrant scores are useless too. They really just measure how modified your kernel is to fit the test - it doesn't really translate to real life usage at all.
I have tried pretty much every build there is and I have settled on the CM6 builds being the most stable and smoothest. I started using Shubcraft(RMNET) in August and since then I tried out all kinds of Sense builds. After a day or two with the sense builds I always got tired of the lag that there is in sense, or other problems like the camera not working in some sense builds, or the PPP connection being so unstable.
I am now using Michyprima's daily CM6 build. It is very stable, I get through a day(8am-10pm) everyday even w/ pretty heavy use. My only complaint is that there are still TS freezes (even though I read they are supposed to be fixed), the PPP data connection freezes too frequently, and sometimes the screen takes a little while to wake up.
The phone is quite usable for day to day use, but it isn't free of bugs like your MT Slide is.
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Free of bugs? Haha how funny. The Froyo Sense build I'm running has no keyboard lights, a few buttons don't work, and the browser force closes if java is enabled.
Sent from a phone that's better than yo Momma's. bbq.
lol at the above. And just to reiterate, any and all benchmark scores are ultimately pointless. It's how it actually performs which only you can judge, not be told by a bunch of numbers which can be synthetically bumped up and still produce a competely unstable heap of poo.
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Free of bugs? Haha how funny. The Froyo Sense build I'm running has no keyboard lights, a few buttons don't work, and the browser force closes if java is enabled.
Sent from a phone that's better than yo Momma's. bbq.
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I'm just letting you know that I have used my girlfriends mt slide, and it is less buggy than Android on the HD2. If you are complaining about the bugs in that phone then android on the HD2 isn't for you.
Reno_79 said:
Overclocking is pointless. End of story. You have a 1Ghz processor in the HD2, unless you're planning to take over the world why would you need anything more than that to play Angry Birds?
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for this statement you have been awarded the "i dont know **** about technology" prize !
grats !
u can well notice the improvement in all programs that push the phone to its limits ie : gameloft games , pocket legends , browser with flash , homescreen smoothness(only with sense)
also , u know whats the difference between ati hd4870 and 4890 ? nothing , but the clockrate , try telling any1 who works with technology clockrate is pointless .. oh wait u already did
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for this statement you have been awarded the "i dont know **** about technology" prize !
grats !
u can well notice the improvement in all programs that push the phone to its limits ie : gameloft games , pocket legends , browser with flash , homescreen smoothness(only with sense)
also , u know whats the difference between ati hd4870 and 4890 ? nothing , but the clockrate , try telling any1 who works with technology clockrate is pointless .. oh wait u already did
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And you've been awarded the "I don't know jack about phones" prize too. I know full well that overclocking a processor increases cycles per second and overall throughput but that means absolutely nothing unless all you care about is benchmarks. I prefer to have a stable phone that doesn't reboot on me ever, and plays EVERYTHING ON THE MARKET perfectly, thanks. Go troll elsewhere. And maybe you should listen to the kernel devs who say overclocking is NOT necessary.
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hey guys i wanted to give people an idea of how this holds up to a full days use as my main os. Im happy to report that the battery very much surprised me.
Started this morning with it fully charged (though it only went to 99% after a full night charge) at 8am. Did my normal thing, texting surfing the internet, no calls only checked a voicemail and here it is 9pm and i have 43% left.
The phone never got any hotter than with winmo when surfing the internet. I didnt have any hangups, black screens, reboots or any issues at all. So it looks like it can only get better with more development.
My setup:
tmous HD2
Freshly installed newest energy rom
2.10 radio
dan1j3l froyo 2.2
july 23rd zimage
4gb class 10 micro sd
I've been running nearly the exact same setup even down to using the Energy ROM (although I'm using the July 21st build, like it better). It's worked beautifully.
Wow me too, Energy 21st build, only thing I don't like is the new lockscreen.
Anyways, even though WinMo is so much more polished, can't stay away from Android...
Been running straight for 3 days ish, advanced task killer helps battery life alot... I think. =)
methree said:
Wow me too, Energy 21st build, only thing I don't like is the new lockscreen.
Anyways, even though WinMo is so much more polished, can't stay away from Android...
Been running straight for 3 days ish, advanced task killer helps battery life alot... I think. =)
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There's a fairly simple registry edit to get rid of that Android style lock screen. I didn't like it either.
WinMo to me is much more visually pleasing, but I run Android when I want APPS. They have tons of games for free that are hundreds of times better than anything you can get for WinMo. I love that we as HD2 owners have the option of running both operating systems. We get to run WinMo or Android on the HD2 but if you have say, an EVO 4G, you think you'll be able to run WinMo for some of IT'S benefits? Hell no. And no matter what some people here may say, WinMo DOES have some benefits that Android does not.
Do you have the echo problem during calls?
Only occasionally but to be honest, I RARELY use my HD2 for it's phone, heh. I'm more of a text person and when I'm at the office or home I just use a lan line, as I only have 750 minutes a month shared with my fiancee since neither of us like to talk on the phone much.
Besides some known issues and instabilities my main problems are as following:
- no bluetooth headset (not working in my car)
- slow internef browser (scrolling is choppy)
- lags and timeout problems
- echo for outgoing calls
- no volume control
Crash
jjones1983 said:
There's a fairly simple registry edit to get rid of that Android style lock screen. I didn't like it either.
WinMo to me is much more visually pleasing, but I run Android when I want APPS. They have tons of games for free that are hundreds of times better than anything you can get for WinMo. I love that we as HD2 owners have the option of running both operating systems. We get to run WinMo or Android on the HD2 but if you have say, an EVO 4G, you think you'll be able to run WinMo for some of IT'S benefits? Hell no. And no matter what some people here may say, WinMo DOES have some benefits that Android does not.
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Personally I disliked WinMo, even with Sense. It felt so "static".
As for benefits WinMo has over Android, why don't you label some?
Even with the unstable builds, I've been purely using android on my HD2 since the SOD was fixed, and plenty before that too while I was at home and could keep it plugged in and the screen on.
i am running dan's first froyo rom with the 7/23 zimagemand i am mostly in love with it. everything works perfectly besides the known issues (which really don't use much anyway). battery life is pretty good. i was at 100% at about 2 pm and by the time i got off work, after listening to music for about an hour and a half, some calls, lots of messages, and installing all of my favorite apps, got home with 15%. im gonna see how long i can go without have to reboot or use winmo.
Little update on battery life, 11:34 pm and still have 35% battery, not too bad really. I had read in an early review of the evo that it couldnt go a full day without needing a charge.
I've been looking for a new device for a while (my magic is pretty outdated), I was pretty set on a Nexus until I walked in to a Vodafone store to kill some time and played with an HD2. I really much prefer the form factor and having a massive screen.
Is there anything stopping any of you from using Android as your daily driver?
Looking at the release notes of most builds it seems that everything's working, correct? Are there any problems with playing media? It's not an issue if I have to boot in to WinMo for watching a movie or something, but I'd rather not do for music and youtube.
the battery drain with hd2 under android is pretty high.
with some builds the power doesnt even last a day..
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The clock in froyostone doesn't work as much. I tried to use the alarm but it never works.
Honestly... I love my HD2, but my answer will be "NO".
If the only thing you want is Android, get a native Android phone.
Wait for this: http://www.htc.com/us/products/evo-sprint
Now if you want the best of both worlds - WinMO AND Android - then the HD2 is the best choice, by very far, no other phone comes close.
This said, I'm using Android for daily use on my HD2 with this build:
Bangster 1.3 based on CyanogenMod 6.0.1
I just changed the settings back to 240 dpi, but it's the best I've tried so far, and everything works without a single crash for now. What's so great in this CyanogenMod based build is notably the build in graphic equalizer for all audio, something normal Android doesn't have. And fun thing, the equalizer/compressor/spacializer works better than the WinMO one.
Just have a little patience.the big event is tomorrow.HTC is presenting its upcoming handsets and HTC desire HD is one of them supposedly.
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For me man it's worth it!
I use now android as my primary OS; i have small screen freezes (from 10 to 20sec) maybe once or twice a day but i can live with that! (winmo used to do worth )
Besides it has higher benchmark results than even Nexus one!
Ok it may not be as reliable as an native android phone but believe me it's really fast and smooth!
The best built i have used (and still using at this moment) is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773790
It's a nexus build too!
By the way! Yes the ONLY and BIGGEST problem for me is the battery drain (it is heavy on every android phone); if you are willing to recharge a lot go for it! (HD2 andro or an andro phone)
I've been using android on my HD2 for about 2 weeks now. Because i sit at a desk all day it's easy for me to keep the phone charged, but I can tell that battery drain would be an issue if I didnt have this luxury. The phone itself is a piece of art, and for me it's totally worth it to run android. The only issues i experience are the occasional screen freeze (the touchscreen stops responding, but buttons work. After about 10 seconds it responds again. Happens maybe 1-2x per day, livable) and I've had to reboot it about every other day to fix bluetooth hiccups and such. Im not a fan of having to reboot phones that much even though it's easy, but hey at least I get android right? Sometimes I just reboot it for no reason just to start the day off fresh.
Theres no other phone like this available other than a jailbroken EVO 4G, and even then you are carrier limited. I love getting 3.5G on my HD2, since I have t-mobile and therefore the phone is compatible with their network. I probably wouldnt want it so much if I could'nt access the cellular broadband network.
hey OP, i would tell you something! why would you buy a nearly one year old phone???? on top of that u know that it would not be supported for the new win 7 and android on it , well... it works but not how it should. i mean with its freezes and battery drain.
The best thing to do if you want an android phone is get an android phone!!!!!
you are tempted for a large screen, then wait for the htc desire hd (same as the evo). It is expected in the coming weeks ( before the end of the yr for sure).
getting a hd2 FOR android??
nope, wait for desire hd.
Life Engineer said:
For me man it's worth it!
I use now android as my primary OS; i have small screen freezes (from 10 to 20sec) maybe once or twice a day but i can live with that! (winmo used to do worth )
Besides it has higher benchmark results than even Nexus one!
Ok it may not be as reliable as an native android phone but believe me it's really fast and smooth!
The best built i have used (and still using at this moment) is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773790
It's a nexus build too!
By the way! Yes the ONLY and BIGGEST problem for me is the battery drain (it is heavy on every android phone); if you are willing to recharge a lot go for it! (HD2 andro or an andro phone)
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I'm thinking giving Android a try... have you tried NRGZ28's Energy Android ROM over the New Nexus One Android 2.2 Build FRG3 you mentioned above?
If you like android, buy a native android phone. If you like windows and want the possibility to sometimes try out android, but the HD2. The android on HD2 is never going the be as smooth as a native phone. Period!
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The clock in froyostone doesn't work as much. I tried to use the alarm but it never works.
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For the alarm (froyostone), did you have the "media" folder with all the ringtones and alarmtones in your sd card root?
kcaj32 said:
If you like android, buy a native android phone. If you like windows and want the possibility to sometimes try out android, but the HD2. The android on HD2 is never going the be as smooth as a native phone. Period!
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I agree. Buy a native android phone. There are plenty out there.
In the US, if you are on Tmous, my humble belief is that HD2 is the best Android phone. Galaxy S is disappointing, and My touches, not so much. This could change, but right now I've been running Android exclusively. However, spend some time reading your particular android thread (several pages) so you get to understand the glitches and the workarounds. I've been running my setup now continuously for about 1 month, and will continue to update Android as it gets refreshed. The developers are fantastic in that thread, and the hardware is still some of the highest spec'd stuff out there.
Another thing is the price. I bet the DesireHD will be £400+. HD2 is around £200,might get the hd2 just because its so much cheaper
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In the US, if you are on Tmous, my humble belief is that HD2 is the best Android phone. Galaxy S is disappointing, and My touches, not so much. This could change, but right now I've been running Android exclusively. However, spend some time reading your particular android thread (several pages) so you get to understand the glitches and the workarounds. I've been running my setup now continuously for about 1 month, and will continue to update Android as it gets refreshed. The developers are fantastic in that thread, and the hardware is still some of the highest spec'd stuff out there.
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HD2 is far from the "best" Android phone available on TmoUS.
I have a Nexus one and an HD2...and my wife has the Vibrant. They all have their ups and downs...but I think once you throw LauncherPro and root/lag fix the Vibrant it completely smokes the HD2 in both fluid performance and visual display.
I still tinker with my Nexus...my G1 and my MT3G are retired permanently to the closet and I use my HD2 as my daily device running FroyoStone v1 and have not touched Winmo since the first stable desire build that darkstone made in early/mid July...I was one of the ones who bought my HD2 on launch day KNOWING that Android would come sooner than later, but if I had it to do again...I would have probably waited for the Vibrant to have a solid Android device.
As far as battery life...I can get a consistent 18 hour day out of my phone with 25-30% battery left with moderate usage...My HD2 gets much better battery performance than both my Nexus and my wifes Vibrant which have AMOLED and SAMOLED screens.
Now to answer your question...should you buy an HD2 for the sole purpose of running android as apposed to buying an Android phone?...If you like to tinker with gadgets and don’t get frustrated when things may not go right the first time or two...then by all means, get the HD2 and enjoy. If you want something that is going to give solid performance out of the box without any hassles...then go with the Vibrant and enjoy. I dont think you will be disappointed either way.
Or wait for the HTC vision aka g1 blaze
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Just get a real android phone, less bugs and freezes!!!!!!!! Desire, or nexus...ect....
scbrother said:
Just get a real android phone, less bugs and freezes!!!!!!!! Desire, or nexus...ect....
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people....did you read the caption of this thread?....it says "worth getting hd2 for android?" and not "can everybody tell me to buy a desire?" or "worth waiting till something get's out"
be helpful if you have the answer to the OP's question,but if you don't,don't spam the board with useless comments....
@agentaaron.....i think you are completely right
AdrianK said:
I've been looking for a new device for a while (my magic is pretty outdated), I was pretty set on a Nexus until I walked in to a Vodafone store to kill some time and played with an HD2. I really much prefer the form factor and having a massive screen.
Is there anything stopping any of you from using Android as your daily driver?
Looking at the release notes of most builds it seems that everything's working, correct? Are there any problems with playing media? It's not an issue if I have to boot in to WinMo for watching a movie or something, but I'd rather not do for music and youtube.
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I have HD2 and Im running Android full time last week or so on this build. MCCM 1.5 build is based on FRG33 ROM (for nexus one) and I have outscored Nexus One 2.2 without overclocking CPU by at least 150-200 points on Quadrant. If overclocked I am hitting 1650-1700 easily where Nexus (non-clocked is) about 1250-1300 Quadrant scores.
I think it is worth of shot unless you simply want Android that updates itself instead of having Windows Mobile which you may not use.
FYI I prefer to have WinMo on the side as I have GarminXT - which I prefer over any navi over data on the Android OS.
I guess it is up to you and what really you want ... There is Galaxy with 4.0" screen with an Android OS which still works pretty good... Your choice...
Hi all,
I'm torn between Desire HD and Galaxy S. Sure the SGS is older, no flash, gps bugs etc, but just had my DesireHD in my hand and it's way too big and heavy. Also review are saying poor battery life.
I don;t mind if i dont have the newest model, as SGS fits nicely in my hand, don;t care much about the flash.
Some questions:
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
I know there's a lot going for SGS2 but don;t think that is coming anytime in next 6 months, which would give me plenty of tiem to accustom my self to Android from Winshite.
Cheers
CEPi said:
Hi all,
I'm torn between Desire HD and Galaxy S. Sure the SGS is older, no flash, gps bugs etc, but just had my DesireHD in my hand and it's way too big and heavy. Also review are saying poor battery life.
I don;t mind if i dont have the newest model, as SGS fits nicely in my hand, don;t care much about the flash.
Some questions:
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
I know there's a lot going for SGS2 but don;t think that is coming anytime in next 6 months, which would give me plenty of tiem to accustom my self to Android from Winshite.
Cheers
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1/ yes/no its not perfect for gps, lag is fixed with custom stuff
2/as per 1/ once fixed speed and all are pretty good
in a nutshell:
- gps isnt all that good even if its been vastly improved
- phone is very fast once fixed but battery life is slightly lower (should still be much better than the DHD in that area i guess..)
HTC Desire HD has inferior GPU, camera recorder, sound quality, display, etc..
I would recommend to wait a little.. For *an official large scale* Froyo release because the current JP6 (which was official for Scandinavia) suck in terms of performance.
If you browse a lot this can be very annoying. Applied voodoo lag fix => didn't fix stalls (lag) problems (yeah wiped data/cache)
Cons Froyo:
- browser issues: high RAM/CPU consumption. sometimes the phone stalls just having the stock browser opened on background. other big problem is the HIGH memory consumption combined with even less free RAM avaiable in Froyo. Many times the browser got self closed (even when it was active, in foreground!!) and/or applications in background (even the stock launcher)
- performance of stock launcher is not good if you have some amount of apps installed (eg: slide between apps pages, helicopter view, etc.. doesn't matter if you use live wallpers or not)
- laggy swype
- lags when scrolling in call history (I think I've got >= 500 entries)
- cannot say to much about gps, yesterday was the first time I've tested it in car.. and my position was completely not accurate. it may be also the software (igo) which lags a lot on froyo (in eclair it was ok), hardly you can set your destination.. it lags in menus too.
- again, even less ram available
Android issues:
- slow code execution (apps load time)
- high memory consumption
That's because of the internal design of Android... running the apps in a JVM . Why not native apps like WebOS, Maemo?
Those are the main issues I personally found very annoying in Froyo.. If you don't browse, don't write with skype (haven't tested with samsung keyword), don't use/like touch wiz lauchen, then the phone is quite good in terms of speed.
@bilboa1 aren't you experiencing those issues? Swithcing to a FS doesn't fix the bugs in the apps..
I have had my galaxy s for a couple of months and flashed to JP6 when it was out, I used it for a few days and then flashed back to eclair due to the same issues as you mention. Not being able to have anything 'minimized' to the background while browsing due to the amount of memory being used was a no no! Anyway, I have been seriously considering the desire hd myself, but the battery capacity has so far really put me off, I barely get 8 hours of life out of my galaxy on some days, so on a hd, it would be less than that I suspect. I keep looking around xda for posts to convince me not to get a desire hd, its slowly working, but not quite yet.
these are the fixes i applied for froyo which gives a (very) satisfying performance in my eyes:
(alls files can be found in the dev section)
- flash JM8 + 512 PIT
- flash JP6 + 803 PIT
- factory reset
- reboot in recovery
- flash ULF (universal lag fix)
- enable advanced lag fix ext4
- enable all tweaks
- enable BLN (backlight notification)
- enable root
- reboot - choose backup & restore (or not, since its factory, doesnt make a big diff), wait a bit
- copy battery mod for JP6 (version D for me) to /sdcard/
- copy stock android lock screen for JP6 to /sdcard/
- copy galaxy tab browser file to /sdcard/
- adb shell
$ su
# umount -oremount,rw /dev/block/stl9 /system
# cd /system/apps
remove some useless samsung apps to free space
replace the battery graphics
# cp /sdcard/framework-res.apk /system/framework/framwork-res.apk
do the same for lock screen, browser file.. (paths are specified, i don't remember them by heart)
# sync
# reboot
- in browser options, set the plugins to "on demand"
- in account sync options, disable auto sync (keep background data) - this alone doubles the battery life and doesnt make a real diff
- replace touchwizz by your launcher of choice, i personally use Launcher Pro Plus
- install "vignette" if you want higher quality pictures from the camera
about the gps:
- make sure you enable the function that let it use the wireless networks (agps)
- install compass and setup the compass as indicated when you start it, then quit
- enable sensors aiding for the gps, done
- it locks (very) fast
- its pretty accurate now
- it loses all satellites from time to time then relock so u lose a few seconds of tracking (the biggest/only real issue IMO)
enjoy
ps: the difference with the DHD, except hardware differences, is probably that the DHD won't neeed nearly as much handwork to work "properly".....
Thanks bilboa1 for your informative post but unfortunately this does not fix my problems.
I like TouchWiz launcher, it's very practical (used to be TouchPro fan too before ). Actually I find Samsung software implementations more useful per-total than HTC ones (HTC Sense, yes, I've been an HTCSense user in past)
Also, I've read that the galaxy tab browser lib doesn't fix the problem with high memory consumption, so didn't bothered to overwrite the file.
Browser has already plugins on demand. It doesn't make a difference if it's off or on-demand (in my tests with high memory consumption)..
If I disable auto sync how do I get my gmail, twitter, etc automatically? I've accidentally disabled it and didn't get any mail, twitter, etc automatically.
GPS lock is fast.. but not accurate here. Maybe it was the software (iGo)
Depends if you want a phone that just works or do you like tinkering and chance of file curruption every 3 weeks. Sgs schocking battery problems once you install a lag fix. In my experience when using oclf the sgs uses 15% of power per HR at Max of 3hrs usage on 3G. If using voodoo lag fix then power drains at 20-30‰ and about 2hr's at 3G. If I was you I would wait for something better and forget the sgs ever existed. I have heard the epic 4G is a good device with non of the sgs problems but sadly it's a cdma phone. Also HTC seems to release roms more frequently and there's better support for them. Also doesn't the desire HD use 2nd Gen snapdragon? Means clock for clock they (g2 @800MHz is said to be as fast in benchmarks as 1ghz hummingbirds )are faster and also froyo is already optimized for it unlike our poor hummingbird cpus
If I could I would in a second swap my sgs for a HTC desire HD or HTC g2
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I have voodoo lagfix on eclair. My battery drains 1.3% per hour on standby with 3G/data/sync=ON and many widgets that update hourly like weather, stock, facebook, twitter.
Active use with screen on and internet surfing battery drain is about 23% per hour which is kind of normal. My Iphone 3GS/HTC Touch HD also drain around this amount during active use.
So those with huge drain, the problem lies somewhere else (not with lagfix)
Galaxy battery is not bad at all for heavy users. My phone uptime of 20 hours with 3 hours of active use + 1 hr of call+(sync/widgets etc).
Light use should last for 2 days.
Don't do it man, life's worth living!!!
Seriously though, I've tried every bloody fix out there, every last tweak for the last 3 months... And I'm selling this pos as soon as I find a good deal. Granted, sometimes it's fast, but then it crashes... Sometimes the gps works, But then it gets confused... The mic is total ****, but the screen is beautiful, so you have nice colours to look at while it randomly cracks out.
If you don't want to wait, get the dhd and a couple extra batteries. Or, for smaller hands just get a bloody iphone or one of the older desire variants.
This hardware's great, the dhd's is better... And the software works!!! Hear that samsung!? It actually works!!!... Aside from the proximity sensor...
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Thanks a lot guys. Sorry to hear that basic problems are still persisting, even thought great effort has been made by community devs to iron them. I'll hold till next generation of phones come up in Q1 2011.
Cheers and good luck
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Thanks a lot guys. Sorry to hear that basic problems are still persisting, even thought great effort has been made by community devs to iron them. I'll hold till next generation of phones come up in Q1 2011.
Cheers and good luck
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Only phone I'd currently recommend is the iPhone 4. The SGS is still having some issues and doesn't work right out of the box. Guess we'll have to wait for gingerbread in order to get a version of android that just works.
I'm using stock kernel, no rooting, to lagfix, with latest available Firmware
I don't have any "lag" issue,
GPS works pretty good, fast fix, not that much "jerking around" and sharktooth when recording maps.
Camera is pretty much amazing, I can't realy beleive how much "night mode" works!
HD Video recording is pretty much tha bomb!
Works pretty sweet with my BlueTooth headset (S9-HD)
Gaming is amazing, fast and cool graphs!
it runs android, so you're not "controlled" by what the all mighty-all knowing Apple
So, I would definitively buy the same thing!
I don't know what some of these guys are talking about.
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
GPS has not been 'perfectly' fixed. A lot of people report different results. It has never worked well for me. Fortunately, on a personal level, I have never become over-dependent on GPS and am generally good with reading maps. I can use the GPS to get a general fix of where I am and use my eyes to figure out where to go.
Aside from GPS however - I can't think of any bugs that haven't been fixed. Almost every custom ROM includes its own lagfix, all of which work perfectly. I use darkyy's ROM and it comes with Voodoo, which is absolutely brilliant.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
Well, I kinda answered this above. The lagfixes are brilliant and do exactly what Samsung should have done themselves. My phone flies now without even needing a task killer.
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I often say that I would always recommend one out of 3 phones to anyone that asks depending on how technical they are. If they are a casual user that likes the latest hardware and biggest screens - get the DHD. If they are also a casual user that perhaps would prefer a slightly smaller and more compact phone, get the Desire Z. If they are a techie and want the best of everything (minus GPSlol) - get the SGS.
You sound like a techie. Unless you absolutely need GPS, get the SGS.
jp6 deodexed, zipaligned, 327meg kernel, advanced lagfix ext4, all tweaks.....gives me insane performance! applications load up instantly, its just as quick as it can ever get! no crashes no instability
just wished samsung would give us a stock rom which is as good as this!
GPS still sucks....little laggy, and sometimes inaccurate...not totally unusable though. samsung sure screwed up on the hardware, theres no doubt about that
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jp6 deodexed, zipaligned, 327meg kernel, advanced lagfix ext4, all tweaks.....gives me insane performance! applications load up instantly, its just as quick as it can ever get! no crashes no instability
just wished samsung would give us a stock rom which is as good as this!
GPS still sucks....little laggy, and sometimes inaccurate...not totally unusable though. samsung sure screwed up on the hardware, theres no doubt about that
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So basically SGS doesnt work correctly out of the box.
If I pay about 500euro for a phone, I definitly expect that it works flawless.
I wanted this phone badly, but after I have read all bad comments ill pass until they fix all bugs or maybe ill wait for another better Samsung phone (I love Super AMOLED)
i would go for the dhd...i have a sgs but to be honest its a great phone but samsung doesnt provide the support for their products...2.2 and a gps fix were supposed to come in september..then october...now november...the phone is only as good as the software on it, and while the sgs is a beast in terms of processor speed and screen, it lacks the support from samsung...it does lag, gps doesnt work at all for me....
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Browser has already plugins on demand. It doesn't make a difference if it's off or on-demand (in my tests with high memory consumption)..
If I disable auto sync how do I get my gmail, twitter, etc automatically? I've accidentally disabled it and didn't get any mail, twitter, etc automatically.
GPS lock is fast.. but not accurate here. Maybe it was the software (iGo)
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I don't really notice a very high memory usage on the browser, maybe i don't browse enough i don't know
when you disable auto sync you still get email automatically (and instantly, via push), for the rest it depends on the apps settings, in my case they all still go get stuff every couple of hours
what sync disable however is contact synchronization, account settings, calendars, and things like that (= things i rly dont need sync more than once a week or smth personally, but i can imagine some ppl need their calendar sync to the minute)
in general battery issues are due to bad software installed on the phone, stock sgs battery life is pretty much incredible in my eyes (the lag bug is also pretty much incredible p)
ps: if i were to buy sgs again i'd do it no doubt. i can understand the less technically inclined going dhd. not without its flaws but no such thing as "lag bug" crap to fix hehe
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So basically SGS doesnt work correctly out of the box.
If I pay about 500euro for a phone, I definitly expect that it works flawless.
I wanted this phone badly, but after I have read all bad comments ill pass until they fix all bugs or maybe ill wait for another better Samsung phone (I love Super AMOLED)
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For some reason i thought the phone id cheaper than that.
Anyway the sgs is perfect. The gps is not as bas as people say. U can still get a lock on and go whatever u want. But honestly. I never tried the gps more thsn once to check if its working and its fine for me.
However. For games. For screen. Nothing and i mean nothing csn come close to sgs. Best screen hands down. Best gpu. All u need to is add voodoo or whatever ur like and ur ready to go. I love the dhd but i am a movie. Gamesband muic junkie. For that the sgs is perfect. Dont let the 4.3 screen fool u on dhd. Its almost the samwle quality as hd2 "there are videos in youtube as a proof even "
I say get what u want but for me. I love the phone for its performance and screen. And galaxy s is perfect
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I'm considering selling my MyTouch3g 32a for a HD2 device... But, I need to know some things before I make this move.
It looks like you can't yet replace the WinMo 6.5 with Android, so it has to run off SD. At least that's what I can infer. How does this effect performance?
Is battery life good on the HD2? My MyTouch3g can get about 17-18 hours off the charger.
What does and doesn't work on the HD2 running Android? Any quirks I should know about? ...Is it stable and reliable enough to be a daily driver?
Also since I'm on T-Mobile, I'd be looking for a T-Mobile branded HD2... does this matter?
Sorry for all the noob questions.
replacing winmo will be possible in near future by a nand rom. i guess noone knows by now what will work better with a nand rom. most people think that battery life time will increase dramatically, but i won't count on that...
for me, running android from sd-card has no disadvantages but as i said before, we have to wait for nand roms.
with new kernels like S1 or S2 from mdeejay battery life is great (for me). it lasts minimum 24 hours on normal usage.
as far as i know there is just one big and some small issues with android on hd2:
big one: data disconnects with ppp. this is nearly fixed for me with S1 kernel, but approx. once a day i still get data lost...
small one(s): very few touchscreen freezes (escpecially when trying to answer a call).
just now i can't remember other issues, but since about 2 months winmo is just used for booting android on my hd2.
my conclusion: android is a very well daily driver
fruchtfliege said:
replacing winmo will be possible in near future by a nand rom. i guess noone knows by now what will work better with a nand rom. most people think that battery life time will increase dramatically, but i won't count on that...
for me, running android from sd-card has no disadvantages but as i said before, we have to wait for nand roms.
with new kernels like S1 or S2 from mdeejay battery life is great (for me). it lasts minimum 24 hours on normal usage.
as far as i know there is just one big and some small issues with android on hd2:
big one: data disconnects with ppp. this is nearly fixed for me with S1 kernel, but approx. once a day i still get data lost...
small one(s): very few touchscreen freezes (escpecially when trying to answer a call).
just now i can't remember other issues, but since about 2 months winmo is just used for booting android on my hd2.
my conclusion: android is a very well daily driver
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Thank you for the info.
What does "data disconnects with ppp" mean? and if this happens, what do I do to resolve it? Throw into airplane and out of airplane mode?
you're welcome. as far as i know there are two internet protocols:
rmnet and ppp. because of low speed, rmnet seems to be vanished in nearly all builds. the good thing about it was stability! ppp has the opposite properties: very fast but till now a bit unstable.
data disconnects means that it's not down- or uploading any data while connection seems to be established regular. as you guessed right, you can handle it with airplane mode or by disconnecting and reconnecting internet connection. there is also a (semi)fix for that, which will reconnect for you automatically. but i'm pretty sure that this data loss problem will be gone in the near future (devs are still working on it).
p.s: sorry for my poor english, i hope you understand everything.
As for me it is very usable on a daily basis. I didn't think it was possible until I started flashing Android. Everything is great except for what fruchtfliege was saying. But even then, I have never gone back to Winmo.
fruchtfliege: is your LED notification light working properly? Mine only lights up once and that's it.
compared to that old 32a, the hd2 is an absolute monster!
theres an ocational minor glitch, but nothing like things were on ported roms on a dream/saphire....
its smooth sailing...
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with new kernels like S1 or S2 from mdeejay battery life is great (for me). it lasts minimum 24 hours on normal usage.
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sorry a bit out of topic: can i install mdeejay kernel to my mccm build? and where can i find it? thanks.
I'm using the MDeeJay evo 2.3 build and i haven't found anything not working at all. The battery last longer than it did on winMO. Been using this build constantly for about a month now, apart from the odd reboot I've had nothing but fun and games
I would personnaly recommend this build also.
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I'm using the MDeeJay evo 2.3 build and i haven't found anything not working at all. The battery last longer than it did on winMO. Been using this build constantly for about a month now, apart from the odd reboot I've had nothing but fun and games
I would personnaly recommend this build also.
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no ppp disconnects?
Thanks for all the replies, this has been real helpful in my decision and will probably grab a HD2 when/if a WP7 rom comes out just to have the best of both worlds in my pocket.
One last question, I see the MDeeJay evo 2.3 build mentioned here, but I'n not a fan of sense. Is there a CyanogenMod port that's really stable?
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Thanks for all the replies, this has been real helpful in my decision and will probably grab a HD2 when/if a WP7 rom comes out just to have the best of both worlds in my pocket.
One last question, I see the MDeeJay evo 2.3 build mentioned here, but I'n not a fan of sense. Is there a CyanogenMod port that's really stable?
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i'm using mccm and it's great (especially the looks) except for internet drops.
fruchtfliege: is your LED notification light working properly? Mine only lights up once and that's it.
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you're right. this seems to be another small bug. mine's not working properly, too. doesn't matter much for me, because i never used the led lights as indicator for calls.
sorry a bit out of topic: can i install mdeejay kernel to my mccm build? and where can i find it? thanks.
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i'm not sure which build mccm is, but if it's from mdeejay it SHOULD work (as posted in his kernel thread)
The LED notification light 'usually' works fine for me. Under 30% battery and it stays lit though
Only thing that doesn't really work is the camera on HD builds.
So far I've been disconnect free since I changed to S3 kernel from Mdeej - however I also disabled the stock tab and uninstalled my taskkiller which might've helped.
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The LED notification light 'usually' works fine for me. Under 30% battery and it stays lit though
Only thing that doesn't really work is the camera on HD builds.
So far I've been disconnect free since I changed to S3 kernel from Mdeej - however I also disabled the stock tab and uninstalled my taskkiller which might've helped.
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Which build are you using? You mean it works for missed calls and sms?
So a few days ago I realized I just can't use JB as a daily driver. I *love* 4.x and am a big fan of almost every change introduced, so I've been using ICS and later JB builds as soon as builds were available (thanks, devs!). But on the DZ it just ain't cutting it. I haven't had a single day without freezes, spontaneous reboots, unbearable slowdowns, graphic glitches etc.
Well I'm back to ILWT CM7, which I haven't used for about 11 months. I've frozen almost every stock app, and have found a usable Holo-style replacement for almost all of them, except for the Browser and the hideous pre-ICS Calendar (any suggestions?). Also every 3rd party SMS app is so bloated.
So far, what I miss:
- I really miss pulling down the status bar in the lockscreen! But that requires a 3rd-party lockscreen replacement which is a huge PITA. Also no 4.x unified lockscreen music controls.
- 4.x Rich Notifications. I added music controls in the CM7 notification power widget, but it's a pretty crappy solution (reminds me of iOS)
- JB makes scrolling in apps (among other things) smoother, and some things were considerably more "fluid". JB wasn't *that* smooth anyhow, at least on the DZ.
- 2.x interface is hideous, "fixed" with ICS Mixer theme, Holo-styled apps and a font change.
- Overall UI polish degradations and papercuts, like the power menu, the loss of holo action bar and the ugly old icons of app menu options.
- Some newer apps don't support 2.x which sucks.
- Tons of 4.x improvements I didn't mention. ICS and JB are such vast improvements from GB. JB is so much more consistent, and it sucks that htc are assholes and dropped support for DZ and DHD.
What's better:
- Much more stable.
- Faster!
- Can actually multitask now because there's no need for the OS to constantly kill things in the background. lol at Titanium constantly getting killed in the background on JB.
- Better battery life.
- The proper drivers mean some apps work here but not in 4.x. For example, any app that uses the phone as a webcam.
So anyone else back on Gingerbread and can share their experience?
Most of the time im running a gingerbread rom. Never get the freezes you are talking about on any 4.x rom in 6 months or so, are you sure you had all partitions in ext4?
I do agree battery life is much lower than in 2.3.x and thats one of the main reasons i tend to stick with them. The ui is much better with 4.x but id rather have an ugly ui then a phone that isnt 100%
Overall ics and somewhat jb has been proven to be running almost perfect on the vision and right now im on an ics (a sense rom which i usualy hate!) But there are just too many things dragging me back to gingerbread, battery life being the biggest issue as im a heavy user
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Most of the time im running a gingerbread rom. Never get the freezes you are talking about on any 4.x rom in 6 months or so, are you sure you had all partitions in ext4?
I do agree battery life is much lower than in 2.3.x and thats one of the main reasons i tend to stick with them. The ui is much better with 4.x but id rather have an ugly ui then a phone that isnt 100%
Overall ics and somewhat jb has been proven to be running almost perfect on the vision and right now im on an ics (a sense rom which i usualy hate!) But there are just too many things dragging me back to gingerbread, battery life being the biggest issue as im a heavy user
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I have to say the battery life on the newest Andromadous JB test builds are amazing and much better than GB. I even have the CPU governor set the minimum to 800 MHz with maximum to 1500 Mhz and I can still run a full day without recharging (I do quite a bit of web browsing on my G2 and occasional calls).
Possibly between some gb roms it is better but the best battery life that i consistantly get is with elitemodcm7 and ilwtcm7, with heavy use i can get through a full day 18+ hours every time. If i use a little less on some of the ics roms i can get close but not always (elitemod cm9 kernel with mimicry seems to be the best battery life) i poor life on old jb test builds that slowy got a little better, have tried a build since around 90 something but im sure ill test again soon.
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Possibly between some gb roms it is better but the best battery life that i consistantly get is with elitemodcm7 and ilwtcm7, with heavy use i can get through a full day 18+ hours every time. If i use a little less on some of the ics roms i can get close but not always (elitemod cm9 kernel with mimicry seems to be the best battery life) i poor life on old jb test builds that slowy got a little better, have tried a build since around 90 something but im sure ill test again soon.
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Yeah, definitely try the new test builds, I was really amazed at the big difference in battery life in the newest builds.
euhh, its not beacause of your DZ.
- On the galaxy sII, MOST of the ICS and JB roms are not smooth at all. Lot of crashes , etc. Even on the official update.
- on galaxy note, same thing. Looks like stock JB run better anyway, good thing.
- on nexus S it is the worst since the last JB update.
- on desire ( one of the most supported device) , lot of crashes with ICS.
- And I dont tell you about the milestone (very old device)...
^^^
All the phones mentionned above, are running GB right now.
They not all mine, most of them are my friends phone, they ask me to root it to try new roms. All of them complaining about ICS/JB stability.
I didnt try the big ass phones like the sIII, but they are so powerfull that you can't feel any slowdown.
Thanks for that info, overdose. I've been wondering how other phones with more dev support were handling JB. Here's hoping with the new Nexus phones soon we can finally have a device that handles stock Android decently.
I've ran into an old CM7 bug with the Lense lockscreen... basically what happens is that, for some reason, the software thinks pulling down the Lense should launch a custom app instead of unlocking the device. Since I didn't have any custom app defined, pulling down does nothing and there is no way to unlock the device
So I have to fix it with adb which is pretty pathetic. Ironically I'm typing this from a restored Jelly Bean ROM.
edit: I got it fixed, and in the process dropped my phone and severely cracked the screen. Hahaha. Oh well DZ we had a good run.
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Thanks for that info, overdose. I've been wondering how other phones with more dev support were handling JB. Here's hoping with the new Nexus phones soon we can finally have a device that handles stock Android decently.
I've ran into an old CM7 bug with the Lense lockscreen... basically what happens is that, for some reason, the software thinks pulling down the Lense should launch a custom app instead of unlocking the device. Since I didn't have any custom app defined, pulling down does nothing and there is no way to unlock the device
So I have to fix it with adb which is pretty pathetic. Ironically I'm typing this from a restored Jelly Bean ROM.
edit: I got it fixed, and in the process dropped my phone and severely cracked the screen. Hahaha. Oh well DZ we had a good run.
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DZ screen are cheap.
I have 2 in stock just in case, with the HTC logo. I paid them 30 $ ea. a year ago .
I don't have a desire z but a nexus one and did have 2 regular desires before (my ex gf had ICS spazedog ROM - working pretty good) now I'm running spazedog jellybean rom on the n1 and its smooth than cm was maybe a bit slower to open apps but no real lag or freeze or reboots after a couple weeks. Only problem is no video camera and had to install an app from play store to take pictures without a soft reboot and still the pictures don't look great. That and can't play YouTube videos in app or browser or its reboots. Other than that its pretty reliable and the desire z should be a slightly better phone. Maybe something else causing the issues?
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Everyone use their phone differently, I agree with much of what you are saying but I highly disagree with bettery battery life on 4.x compared with 2.x, no matter how much you tweak or change things the best roms (for battery life) on 4.x have never been able to compete with the best 2.x in that regard. I will say that the improvment have been incredible over the past 6 months or so, but I'm a heavy user, and maybe its the way I use my phone that runs the battery fast but I easily can get a day with 2.x (about 6hours screen on) and I'm always struggling even with the best 4.x to do the same, (max maybe 4~4.5hrs screen up)
But again, we all use our phones differently. Right now I'm on an ics Rom, about 6hours up, 56% left of battery with just under 2hrs screen on. Granted this is not the best ics rom for battery life but let's I was using say mimicry or elitemod ics, I would be @ maybe 65 @ most, with certain 2.x is be well over 70 right now
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Fair enough, but like I said we all use phones differently, and I will disagree that screen on time is meaningless being the most power is being used when screen is on. I'm sure I could have my phone on, with screen off, put it in airplane mode and let it sit for 3days to see it still has 30% (or whatever) juice left, no matter the os. But that dosent matter to me as I want my phone to last when I'm using it
Listen, you may get the best life out of ics or jb on your phone, I get better life on 2.x, I'm not saying these newer roms are inferior, I'm saying that one of the most important features is battery life to me and I have always gotten the best life in older operating systems. Having said that, I'm a flashaholic and I try nearly every Rom available for any phone I have. Mimicry is amazing, fast, stable, and pretty good battery life. If I absolutely need to be sure I have power left by the end of the day I'm not running mimicry (im a heavy user and the ways I use my phone it just isn't going to happen) and don't say I have bad apps with memory leaks and wake locks because I've been around long enough to know to test for all this. I don't use Many different apps and the ones I do use I know are good (and the same ones I use not matter the os)
Let's just agree you have different experiences with your phone as I have with mine, I'm not steering anyone away from using
Ics or jb, and ill continue to use thenm too. But I (not you) get bettery life with 2.x
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Fair enough, but like I said we all use phones differently, and I will disagree that screen on time is meaningless being the most power is being used when screen is on. I'm sure I could have my phone on, with screen off, put it in airplane mode and let it sit for 3days to see it still has 30% (or whatever) juice left, no matter the os. But that dosent matter to me as I want my phone to last when I'm using it
Listen, you may get the best life out of ics or jb on your phone, I get better life on 2.x, I'm not saying these newer roms are inferior, I'm saying that one of the most important features is battery life to me and I have always gotten the best life in older operating systems. Having said that, I'm a flashaholic and I try nearly every Rom available for any phone I have. Mimicry is amazing, fast, stable, and pretty good battery life. If I absolutely need to be sure I have power left by the end of the day I'm not running mimicry (im a heavy user and the ways I use my phone it just isn't going to happen) and don't say I have bad apps with memory leaks and wake locks because I've been around long enough to know to test for all this. I don't use Many different apps and the ones I do use I know are good (and the same ones I use not matter the os)
Let's just agree you have different experiences with your phone as I have with mine, I'm not steering anyone away from using
Ics or jb, and ill continue to use thenm too. But I (not you) get bettery life with 2.x
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Obviously battery life varies with the way you use your phone. If you're ever interested in trying JB again, definitely give the test builds a shot. Remember to do a full wipe though, I assume you do anyways. I was shocked at how much the JB test builds improved battery life and responsiveness compared to the Virtuous G-lite I was using for a while.
well thats somewhat a relative point. you see when i consistently get (im picking #s here) 24hrs of battery use with 6 of those hours being screen on time with 2.x. then i compare the use of 4.x where i consistently get 18hrs of use with 4hrs screen on.
this compares not only the screen on time but also the overall time the phone lasts between charges. i feel most people comparing batteries understand that this is over a course of time and that the first day they flash a new rom will not give the best overall picture of what the battery consumption level is.
true the most power consumption is happening when the screen is on, but noting the amount of screen on time along with how long the battery lasts (consistently) will give anyone a good idea of whats going on. see if there is a day that i use my phone less, the battery tends to last longer (you get that) noting how long screen on time is gives a general picture of how frequently the phone is used that day.
also comparing what operating systems do in deep sleep is useful, again that hopefully is not the best way in determining battery life as you are lacking realworld use of the phone. yes its important to note, but like i said if i stuck the phone in a sock drawer for three days with the sim pulled and wifi off, i couldnt care much the results because my use of my phone will never be compared to it sitting in a sock drawer for any period of time.
so one of us is not getting the other, or there is some **** comparing going on over battery life testing. either way i say its best not to waste time and electronic ink over this. lets just say your right for the sake of i dont really care.
I've been in somewhat the same boat having gone back to CM7 many times for speed and stability. Mimicry was very nice but Skype would crash in it and it was an app that I always used. Now that Skype has made some major updates, I'm considering either installing Mimicry again or Jelly Baby. The latter is going to be updated soon from what I've been reading so I'll likely wait and try that.
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I've been in somewhat the same boat having gone back to CM7 many times for speed and stability. Mimicry was very nice but Skype would crash in it and it was an app that I always used. Now that Skype has made some major updates, I'm considering either installing Mimicry again or Jelly Baby. The latter is going to be updated soon from what I've been reading so I'll likely wait and try that.
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Honestly scrolling in cm7 looks laggish to me compared to flinnys don't know why . how is jelly baby compared to flinnys in terms of performance?
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Just my 2 pence but, frankly, any and every CM9.x/CM10.x rom I've ever tried on my DZ has been laggy/buggy after some time. On the other hand, the AOSP counterparts have ALWAYS been faster in general and didn't slow down, unlike CM. Hell, it was the same even with CM7 (with some exceptions, primarily ILWT CM7). This is obviously logical since CM has more things going on unlike AOSP which is pretty light on the feature side (nothing you can't take care of with a couple of apps, mind you). From my experience, CM9+ roms just don't work on the DZ. Whatever I do, they always end up slowing down to the point where I can't even use the phone. As for battery life...I don't have much to say in particular, it has always been below average whatever rom I was running (again with a few exceptions, like G-Lite).
Just as I said though, just my opinion so don't take my word for it.