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Is it just me, or it looks like the HTC Magic is been forgotten by HTC.?
HTC Android phones are getting updates, while the Magic (and there for the Dream) are being forgotten... even the Droid is getting updates!
Whne are we gonna get some love from HTC?
Yep sure seems that way, I was waiting for the sense update but doesnt look like its happening. Be rooting it soon
I know, they promised a update on NOVEMBER!!! its already december and no news =(
Take the plunge and root it. Putting the CM rom on my Magic made me totally dig my phone
That's the sad state of our beloved HTC Magics. Really it isn't a stretch to expect updates since the Hero has the same hardware.
The Magic is easily the most under rated android phone, being able to do anything a Hero can do just is never given the chance to do so.
we had cupcake to donut the problem is becasue we have a smaller internal memory chip
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Take the plunge and root it. Putting the CM rom on my Magic made me totally dig my phone
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Very tempted but mine is a work phone but if it goes bad, even unusable for a few day I`d have to buy another phone.
Also see alot of the roms have problems with BT etc which i cant have
i think another problem is HTC/the networks want to sell the new handsets they are releasing and if they update the handsets then it will be as good as there newly released handsets (software wise) so why would we want to buy a new handset from them untill it becomes a hardware issue
What annoys me is that HTC leaked the were updating the magic to sense. So I brought the magic(cause the hero is ugly) thinking I will update it and now there is no update.
Dont think my next phone will be htc
i was really looking forward on getting myself a droid/milestone X/2 when it's available in europe. but i just read that the droidX (and maybe all upcoming motorola devices according to http://community.developer.motorola...OMs-and-Motorola-s-Android-Handsets/ba-p/4224) will have a completely locked bootloader as the original milestone had. it's as of today not possible to flash a custom rom on a >7 month old milestone, how weak is that?!
although i like the hardware of the moto-devices and really wanted one, this is definitly a no-go for me and defeats the purpose of android as a open(source)/linux os! i'm done with motorola, just ordered a galaxy s which is completely open!
i don't believe that motorola cares if 10.000 geeky people won't buy theire device because it's locked but it would nevertheless be good to show them that we care!
i'm curious what others think about that!
I think it's horse**** that they are locking it
I mean what's it to them if we can flash our phones??
Maybe they don't want their rom software to be leaked out? besides that I see no other reason for this
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I think it's horse**** that they are locking it
I mean what's it to them if we can flash our phones??
Maybe they don't want their rom software to be leaked out? besides that I see no other reason for this
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that's my point. if i buy a piece of hardware, i should own it completely and do with it what i want! also one would think that motorola would (or at least could) appreciate a bunch of developers modding and patching their devices to make them more appealing to the community. i just installed cm6 (froyo) on my htc magic. it works better than ever, how cool is that! would not be possible with a locked bootloader...
example milestone: although no custom rom's can be booted (the bootloader boots only moto-signed kernels) the device can be rooted and so it should be no problem to get a rom-dump. so that can't be the reason...
I was ready to pull the trigger on the Droid X until I heard this. I hate it. You are right, we buy the phone we should own the phone. I still might buy this phone, a vote of confidence to the devs.
I want the large screen. There's nothing out there with as large a screen. The evo, but I've already been burned by that. Maybe if they swap the screen for a better one.
I'm just as angry at Motorola, but I'm still going to purchase a Droid X. It has everything I'm looking for in a phone hardware-wise, and I can't wait any longer to dump the dumbphone I've been using for years. I'm a huge fan of tweaking every piece of technology I have (e.g. hackintosh netbook just for kicks), but I'm going to stick it out with a one-year contract on the Droid X until a better phone comes along.
I've taken a look at the Galaxy S/Fascinate, but it looks far too much like an iPhone to appeal to me, rootable as it may be. Samsung's post-release support is also less than stellar. As closed as Motorola may be by using this bootloader, they are still providing 2.2 to the original Droid this summer, which is more than can be said of a /lot/ of manufacturers.
Yea I had it preordered and everything til I figured out they locked it down, guess they are okay with losing sales by turning unto an apple type company stupid
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I've taken a look at the Galaxy S/Fascinate, but it looks far too much like an iPhone to appeal to me, rootable as it may be. Samsung's post-release support is also less than stellar. As closed as Motorola may be by using this bootloader, they are still providing 2.2 to the original Droid this summer, which is more than can be said of a /lot/ of manufacturers.
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i agree. i don't like the iphony-look of the galaxy-s either and i feel like the droid X casing is much more stable. also the omap seemed more appealing to me than samsungs hummingbird. and so on ...
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty e.g. by sending a request to a moto-server or something similar.
maybe it has something to do with drm-stuff as i also wondered that one can only use the (awesome) hdmi-out for self-made media ... kills >50% of the potential of the hdmi-out in my opinion.
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i agree. i don't like the iphony-look of the galaxy-s either and i feel like the droid X casing is much more stable. also the omap seemed more appealing to me than samsungs hummingbird. and so on ...
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty ...
maybe it has something to do with drm-stuff as i also wondered that one can only use the (awesome) hdmi-out for self-made media ... kills >50% of the potential of the hdmi-out in my opinion.
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I agree, but as it stands, I'm still going to get the phone and hoping out hope for root, although this link (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html) has me worried about that too.
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I agree, but as it stands, I'm still going to get the phone and hoping out hope for root, although this link (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html) has me worried about that too.
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i hope the best for you mate. maybe it's not that bad and in 2 weeks we are laughing about motorola because some 14 years old hacker has already torn the bootloader apart
I am officially passing on the x droid2 and whatever else Motorola decides to release sorry but I would rather have an open galaxy s than a locked down droidx. IPhone like ui can be changed with a launcher. But their isn't much hope for a double locked bootloader
whoops... has root
Am I wrong to say that the Milestone is still stuck at the OS ver. that it was sold with? And if so, I hear that 2.2 is coming to the X by the end of the summer. I'm sure and exploit can be found in the update process, or hope so.
I'm going to switch to this, simply because I believe that the devs WILL find a way to get around this problem. This is XDA we're talking about, along with a bunch of other communities dedicated to this stuff. Someone will find a way to pull it off, it's just a matter of time. But I plan on having this phone for at least a year, so I have the patience for it.
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while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty e.g. by sending a request to a moto-server or something similar.
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i think you explained 2 reasons for the lock down.
1 is warranty issues
2 is that motorolla can control the life of their product. if after 2 years they give updating the software then you'll be left in the dust and forced to upgrade if want new features.
it's like dlc for games. what used to be free by modding communities has now become a way to squeeze more money out of gamers.
I also agree with you on point 2. This phone is pretty powerful even for me. I consider myself a power user but dont really see how I need a faster phone that this.
This phone, If completely hacked, can have a very long lifespan.
this takes one moto dev
to be on the modder's side.
All this takes is one dev to mess with an official moto update, and this will be tossed due the massive amount of phones that are bricked.
total BS. Knowing Verizon, and why they were late jump on the android bandwagon(because they couldn't "control" an open source opertaing system), this probably came from Verizon pushing Moto to do this. Moto is so desperate to corner the market(unlike HTC) with Verizon, they said yes'maam. Sure no problem you are giving ungodly sums of money why cant we "scratch" your back.
bull****
Let's say that we DON'T unlock this phone.... Would anyone be surprised to see Motorola keep up to day within months of releases in the future???
I see people mentioning the reasoning for it being locked it to control the life of the device.... But seeing how powerful this is and how it is you could say Moto's Flagship model, wouldn't it be int their best interest to keep their customers happy????
Or does everything sell and do you really think they will fall behind on updates...??
Seriously if you really hate the device being locked this much work on an email. I will be shooting an email over to Motorola and Verizon Wireless Customer Support. I can post the email that I am sending on here if you guys want, when I finish typing it.
As for the device being locked it is extremely sad, but many hardware developers are starting to do this. The thinking is that the more they can control what the user does the better the end experience is. That is hardly the truth so just keep cracking the devices so that they get the message we want our own control on the device.
Other than that good luck to all the dev crews out there working to crack the device.
i second the email plan. if enough people fight for an open device, motorola will listen...
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i second the email plan. if enough people fight for an open device, motorola will listen...
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Nope. Every single Droid and Droid X user could email Motorola and they wouldn't care unless it affected sales. The bottom line speaks the loudest. Hell, more than that, it's the ONLY line that speaks
Hey guys!
I am planning on getting the Desire HD next week(if it's available) and would like to hear some opinions...Coming from a Hero and a Desire I am used to having a large community behind my phone,making great and many things available for it.Do you think DHD will have such a community behind it?I for one am worried that so few people are visiting its forums(most out of curiosity) and that its development section is so small.Is it just too early to tell?I had bought all the phones I had until now quite some time after they had been launched(the Hero last Christmas and the Desire this July).
So what do you guys think?
If you're looking for things like CM support you'll probably have to wait until there's a permanent root method. I think it's a bit too early for such things now though, new devices take a while to get through to devs or for a new dev to come onto the scene.
To be honest with you I think with the Sense UI and overall performance I get I will be happy to run stock with root. I've not been able to say that about a phone before, feels kinda nice.
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If you're looking for things like CM support you'll probably have to wait until there's a permanent root method. I think it's a bit too early for such things now though, new devices take a while to get through to devs or for a new dev to come onto the scene.
To be honest with you I think with the Sense UI and overall performance I get I will be happy to run stock with root. I've not been able to say that about a phone before, feels kinda nice.
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Well pal,I don't have mine yet so I can't tell,but I think you're right.I can use the OC script with VISIONary and see what magic happens!
Thanks for posting btw!
Hey guys,what's up?
Well,as most(if not all) of you,I am enjoying this wonderful phone for almost a week now.However I've been watching the DHD forums since they started,when I had my Desire and my Hero only.Not that I am unhappy about something and everyone around here is pretty helpful and all,but I thought that such a device would get more attention.Especially 4.3 inchers from HTC(Leo and Evo) are very favoured by developers.For the DHD there are only a few roms and they don't get updated very frequently.
Does anyone know whether it is just too early or if I'll have to stick with it?Maybe it's just that I had the Hero and the Desire when they were all the rage and am used to that,but I don't think that's the case...
Well,the thread's open for discussion(civilised if possible ) and I'm waiting to here other people's thoughts on the matter!
With kind regards,
Apostolis
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Hey guys,what's up?
Well,as most(if not all) of you,I am enjoying this wonderful phone for almost a week now.However I've been watching the DHD forums since they started,when I had my Desire and my Hero only.Not that I am unhappy about something and everyone around here is pretty helpful and all,but I thought that such a device would get more attention.Especially 4.3 inchers from HTC(Leo and Evo) are very favoured by developers.For the DHD there are only a few roms and they don't get updated very frequently.
Does anyone know whether it is just too early or if I'll have to stick with it?Maybe it's just that I had the Hero and the Desire when they were all the rage and am used to that,but I don't think that's the case...
Well,the thread's open for discussion(civilised if possible ) and I'm waiting to here other people's thoughts on the matter!
With kind regards,
Apostolis
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I believe it is still a bit early for mass-development.
Dont forget that the device has been in very short supply since its introduction.
Cheers
I too agree. Shortages globally may influence the lack of current interest. However, it would not really be interest...more like mass-interest. Developers have done a lot for this phone, there have been many users here making threads, such as the camera threads, battery life threads, and there are many replies and many more views. I believe there have been only a few developers who decided to get the Desire HD. Why? Some may regard the Desire HD as not a big enough reason to ditch the Evos, Desires and HD2s! I'm sure this phone will boost up its demand in XDA soon. Give it a month or two. Another speculation is: this device is almost perfection. What can you do to make it perfect, considering all humans have different views and ideas of perfection? Only making the device "better" is attaining a higher form of perfection or nearing that goal. Therefore, those particular areas in modding can take a while to implement!
I too kinda have the same question..
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I too agree. Shortages globally may influence the lack of current interest. However, it would not really be interest...more like mass-interest. Developers have done a lot for this phone, there have been many users here making threads, such as the camera threads, battery life threads, and there are many replies and many more views. I believe there have been only a few developers who decided to get the Desire HD. Why? Some may regard the Desire HD as not a big enough reason to ditch the Evos, Desires and HD2s! I'm sure this phone will boost up its demand in XDA soon. Give it a month or two. Another speculation is: this device is almost perfection. What can you do to make it perfect, considering all humans have different views and ideas of perfection? Only making the device "better" is attaining a higher form of perfection or nearing that goal. Therefore, those particular areas in modding can take a while to implement!
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Well,I too place my bets to the fact that it's early and all.And boy did I like what you said!It is perfect indeed!
It's just that we can get many things more with custom roms.Not only performance-wise,but many functions restricted by HTC.Anyway,I for one would overclock the hell out of it just to see it kick some Sammy Ass!
Shame I'm all talk for now.I have installed the 1.72 OTA(thank god I S-Off'ed my radio before I did) and now I can't root wihtout downgrading and thus deleting all my apps and data.And boy I can't stand the whole process of reinstalling everything from scratch just to have nothing from my data.No,I'll wait some time in case they manage to root the 1.72 OTA.And god I hope they will!
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Well,I too place my bets to the fact that it's early and all.And boy did I like what you said!It is perfect indeed!
It's just that we can get many things more with custom roms.Not only performance-wise,but many functions restricted by HTC.Anyway,I for one would overclock the hell out of it just to see it kick some Sammy Ass!
Shame I'm all talk for now.I have installed the 1.72 OTA(thank god I S-Off'ed my radio before I did) and now I can't root wihtout downgrading and thus deleting all my apps and data.And boy I can't stand the whole process of reinstalling everything from scratch just to have nothing from my data.No,I'll wait some time in case they manage to root the 1.72 OTA.And god I hope they will!
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I am sure they will. Rest assured, it is a matter of time. Remember, good things come to those who wait (and don't) xD
Frankly i dont see the problem. There are plenty of roms out at the moment. Theres radios, kernels and even flawlessly working CM. Modaco has a kitchen...
I dont think development is going slow at all!
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Frankly i dont see the problem. There are plenty of roms out at the moment. Theres radios, kernels and even flawlessly working CM. Modaco has a kitchen...
I dont think development is going slow at all!
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Most probably you're right,in fact all of you must be right now.Pardon my impatience,but I've used the Hero and the Desire on their "time of glory",when they were,like,what everybody wanted and many people developed for them(I know it's not exactly like that but never mind ).Anyway,it must be just too early...Well,time will tell!And I think that time,being a nasty bastard,won't be saying anything about the DHD until the first rumors and leaks about HTC's Gingerbread update start coming out.
Who needs quantity when you can have quality?
We have Cyanogenmod.
I think you've been unlucky? to come to us just after the gingerbread release and the fallow period prior to the Gingerbread based roms
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I think you've been unlucky? to come to us just after the gingerbread release and the fallow period prior to the Gibson based roms
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Maybe...Well,I hope we can call this "The calm before the storm"!
Who needs quantity when you can have quality?
We have Cyanogenmod.
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Well dr.m0x,I for one prefer Sense but seeing support from Cyanogen Team is truly inspiring.These guys kick some serious ass!
Btw,does anyone know if any efforts for rooting the 1.72 OTA are being made?As I said before(or I think I said before,I feel kinda drowsy right now )I'd like to root my DHD but,if possible,without downgrading.Reinstalling everything over again?Nah,too much...
we have almost all the types of roms available for the dhd, we're only missing a miui port.
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we have almost all the types of roms available for the dhd, we're only missing a miui port.
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very true.. we are also losing on devs working on AOSP.. but i guess a MIUI port would be very appreciated by DHD users
Thanks to the OP for this thread. I'm satisfied with the Tom development so far, but the Theming area is a bit too small: not enough themes!
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HTC Desire HD gets FCC approval with North American 3G
Could get busier soon.
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HTC Desire HD gets FCC approval with North American 3G
Could get busier soon.
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Hohoho..!
Imagine us DHD users doubling!It'd be a hell of a forum!
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Well,looking at the Desire Z forums makes me feel kinda jealous...
They get more roms,they already got cyanogenmod 7,they got a 2GHz kernel(yeah,I'm such a crazy m0therf^cker I would flash that! ) and so on.I want these things for us too!Plus they would look so much better in 4,3".
What do you guys think?
That was posted in the portal a few days ago in the interview of m-deejay:
orb3000: Are you planning to expand your work to other devices or operating systems in the future? If so, please give us a glimpse.
m-deejay: I think in the near future there will be work for … HTC Desire HD!
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Am I the only one excited about this?
maybe you are right and other phones (may) have more development going on.
I do feel that, the dev. that is going on is of very high quality with good working roms being released, tuned & tweaked kernels being released and so on.
I believe that the source code for 1.72 has not been released yet, preventing OC kernels for this.
Root for 1.72 is available through custom roms, including the 1.72 update (like the LeeDrOid rom I am using).
For me the number of roms is ok....I'd be flashing all the time otherwise
i think there is no time for development.. they all enjoy this phone xD like me..
and waiting for 2.3 from htc is more senseful to continue to cook some roms
http://www.vampii.com/dcom/componen...-x-bootloader-already.html/blogger/czerdrill/
Indeed I saw a presentation from a guy who worked for a major phone hardware company recently about recent advances in 'locking down' hardware. They are getting better and closing more loopholes with every generation. 2048-bit encryption, complete trust chains, burying sensitive traces, chip-swapping detection and on and on. Even digging right into the hardware it is getting harder and harder to find weaknesses if the manufacturer is determined to lock something down.
If you look at older phones like Droid X and Milestone that still haven't cracked there is almost no chance the Atrix has a weakness unless someone majorly goofed or there is a leak.
Well there is one 4th option that I think that what devs are trying to do and, IMO, is the real meaning of cracking: Finding a security hole and exploit it.
But as haloimplant already mentioned that's highly unlike to happen...
Unfortunately nothing said was news to me. I gave up a long time ago when my Milestone never got cracked.
Mods still make the phone fun, but it's night and day different of what you can do with say a Galaxy S...
Until applications stop supporting Froyo/Gingerbread/ICS/whatever the final update Motorola pushes is, I dont see the need for a custom kernel. Stuff like 2init that allow everything but the kernel to change would be enough for almost everything you'd want to do. As long as Motorola pushes semi-recent kernels, we should be ok.
From what I've read, in the bootloader bounty topic, we have something close to release.
Bootloader might not ever get cracked completely, but there are certainly ways around it. Look at the iPhone, they can modify it with various levels of exploits. (iBoot, ramdisk, userland) and they don't have it cracked completely.
Also, number 3 on that list could be pure speculation, or it could be complete truth. There could be hundreds of people that know it, or just 1.
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From what I've read, in the bootloader bounty topic, we have something close to release.
Bootloader might not ever get cracked completely, but there are certainly ways around it. Look at the iPhone, they can modify it with various levels of exploits. (iBoot, ramdisk, userland) and they don't have it cracked completely.
Also, number 3 on that list could be pure speculation, or it could be complete truth. There could be hundreds of people that know it, or just 1.
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+1. Us Atrix users obviously don't have the userbase that iDevices have, but we have the *new* nVidia chipset, there are bound to be holes. Some talented dev needs to find it. But we have like 1/20 the users that iDevices have. And like 1/1000 of those are devs. But coming as a jailbreak dev on the iPhone. Im gonna take a plunge and see myself.
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Until applications stop supporting Froyo/Gingerbread/ICS/whatever the final update Motorola pushes is, I dont see the need for a custom kernel. Stuff like 2init that allow everything but the kernel to change would be enough for almost everything you'd want to do. As long as Motorola pushes semi-recent kernels, we should be ok.
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Motorola will have an "Official Gingerbread" out this year. Will they have an "Official ICS"? Highly doubtful
There will be partial ICS available through mods, but why play the waiting game when the update is available and easy to flash? Most of the waiting is for sales/marketing purposes anyway.
^ Look at the HTC Desire, Froyo was available to be installed early last summer. One major carrier didn't release it till Halloween. Guess what, the "Official version" was the exact same as the leaked version (I used both to compare). Then there's the T-mobile Galaxy S "Froyo incident" (which everyone knows that story by now). Verizon Fascinate, (the list goes on and on).
The average Joe will sit around and wait for an OTA, but the average XDA user knows better.
That's why any exploits found on the Bootloader will still better than nothing...
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Seriously? Will it allow us to finally get rid of blur via another Rom?