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After seeing an official Android 2.0/2.1 update being released for the T-Mobile G1 discussed here and here, I haven't see anything else about it. Does anyone know if this will still happen, or are Dream/Magic users out of luck when it comes to anything beyond 1.6?
They can say they're official all they want, but it's not official until TMo says it officially. Nobody really knows at this point. . . just a ton of speculation.
Has nothing to do with tmobile.
Has to do with HTC.
It doesn't matter if tmobile wants it or not -- if HTC doesn't produce it, it doesn't happen.
Note: tmobile can even REFUSE it, but that doesnt mean that any of *us* are out of luck since HTC [is supposed to] support ADP1 directly -- tmobile has nothing to do with this AT ALL.
Ok, thanks for the responses. I asked because I really want something new. With Android 2.0 and 2.1 being out, and with other phones having the awesome Sense interface, a phone with Donut and without Sense is downright boring to me. If no official 2.0/2.1 ROM will be released for the Dream, I may take the plunge to root and switch to the CM ROM. I'd rather have an official 2.0 though!
lbcoder said:
Has nothing to do with tmobile.
Has to do with HTC.
It doesn't matter if tmobile wants it or not -- if HTC doesn't produce it, it doesn't happen.
Note: tmobile can even REFUSE it, but that doesnt mean that any of *us* are out of luck since HTC [is supposed to] support ADP1 directly -- tmobile has nothing to do with this AT ALL.
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tmobile has to request the update from google. In the end t mobile gets to decide if we get the upgrade, if old gen phones keep gettin updated then no one will buy new phones.
Well the Roger's Magic is getting 2.1 with Sense. They said, however, that their G1's will not get the update due to certain limitations on the device. So those with other carriers, like T-Mobile might not get it either...
http://androidandme.com/2010/01/pho...s-android-software-updates-for-select-phones/
Makes me wonder if the MT3G might not get the update either due to it being a 32B and not a 32A like the Roger's or other 32A phones.
tazz9690 said:
Well the Roger's Magic is getting 2.1 with Sense. They said, however, that their G1's will not get the update due to certain limitations on the device. So those with other carriers, like T-Mobile might not get it either...
http://androidandme.com/2010/01/pho...s-android-software-updates-for-select-phones/
Makes me wonder if the MT3G might not get the update either due to it being a 32B and not a 32A like the Roger's or other 32A phones.
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Robbers is a bunch of liars.
They claim that they can't upgrade past 1.FIVE due to hardware limitations... well gee, everybody else everywhere already has 1.6.
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tmobile has to request the update from google. In the end t mobile gets to decide if we get the upgrade, if old gen phones keep gettin updated then no one will buy new phones.
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Google has NOTHING to do with it. Google does NOT have the required source. HTC has the required source. HTC supports ADP1 directly. If HTC is unwilling, then nothing happens. If HTC chooses to build the necessary binaries, then we're good as gold. Tmobile can ask until they're blue in the face. It is still ENTIRELY UP TO HTC.
I'm new to Android and Android modding, so can I get some advice as to where to go from here? I've flashed phones before (most recently my SE TM506 to the generic SE firmware), but that was extremely simple by comparison.
I feel that a G1 user with stock T-Mobile OTA Donut is really getting left behind, so I'd like to try something newer. I would love 2.1 and HTC Sense, but that doesn't seem likely, and an official 2.0/2.1 OTA ROM seems less and less likely as well. CyanogenMod is an obvious choice, but the upgrade procedure is very intimidating to me, and I also hear a lot of conflicts/bugs that people experience with that ROM.
What should someone that's new to Android modding do to keep getting the most out of their Dream?
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What should someone that's new to Android modding do to keep getting the most out of their Dream?
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Root and experiment with new roms.
You wont look back
Just found this online:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...confirms-another-delay-to-hero-upgrade-684928
Looks like we won't be getting Eclair until June now. So damn annoying. Ah well, let's just hope it's worth the wait. For now I'm just happy I'm using custom ROMs.
SHIZZLE!!!!!!!!
what a bad joke. well, as we expected a LONG time ago: HTC just wants to see some more HTC Desire/ HTC Legend sales. And judging by the topics in this board, they succeed.
The Update is done, they can't tell me that they have the Legend Rom up and running, but don't have the Hero Update yet. But they won't release it until they are satisfied with the new devices initial sales.
This is really a bad practice, and another reason why getting an Nexus One makes more sense...
Yeah, that's pretty much gonna do it for me. If the Desire is fully rooted by the time I can afford one/it's available in Canada, Imma get one of those. If not, an N1.
Okay.. is this one of those speculations/rumors..?
More delays... just great!
I was holding out for the official update but after reading this I reckon I might as well just test some custom 2.1 ROMs out.
SenseHero 2.1 here I come
I'm really tired of those delays.
And in June they will say that they won't release 2.1 because Froyo is almost finished
Sod it! Bored of waiting so flashed Villain 5.2. So far so good. Seems like the best 2.1 I've tried yet. Having said that I was quite happy with MCR 3.2, but new Google Maps with nav tempted me.
N1 for me baby! well when I get a free upgrade in a few months!
How can you use your free upgrade to upgrade to a phone only available through google?
Unless you plan on selling your update and buying an N1?
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How can you use your free upgrade to upgrade to a phone only available through google?
Unless you plan on selling your update and buying an N1?
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nailed it on the head sir, shall get a desire and sell it to fund a N1 !
Honestly, FU HTC - it is sureley the last device I buy from you!
Even Nokia phones do get updates more regulary than this buggy piece. I paid 500€ for this device and have to stick with a one year old SW? WTF?
I'll go for a custom ROM. Seems that some homebrew part time hackers are able to build better and newer ROMs over the weekend, than the whole HTC R&D departement. That's how you show skills! Well, better luck next time (Motorola or Apple will do it for me).
And yes, I'm pissed!
I'm fed up with this... everytime they 'say' they'll release the update, they always delay it. TBH, we'll be lucky if we get it by the end of the year. Damn it, I'll just root my phone
I wont be purchasing another HTC phone again. Nexus two please Google!
You guys seem to be forgetting who makes the N1. Granted it's only the hardware but still...
Haha HTC makes the Nexus too! So buying that wont hurt HTC that much
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I wont be purchasing another HTC phone again. Nexus two please Google!
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And don't you dare to choose HTC as the manufacturer for your next Superphone...
It is frustrating, and with the rate that they churn out new 'phones it's hardly surprising that we've been left out in the cold.
For me, the new iPhone is certainly tempting. They're reportedly only now about to drop software updates for the original iPhone, and that's a few years old now. With multi-tasking it finally becomes a smart phone rather than a toy so I may well be heading in that direction.
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It is frustrating, and with the rate that they churn out new 'phones it's hardly surprising that we've been left out in the cold.
For me, the new iPhone is certainly tempting. They're reportedly only now about to drop software updates for the original iPhone, and that's a few years old now. With multi-tasking it finally becomes a smart phone rather than a toy so I may well be heading in that direction.
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only the newest of the iphones can multi-task though.
It took them a long time to even get copy and paste features.
HTC has given us more updates than apple has, they just have not jumped up to the next version yet.
Htc did the worlds first 3g phone? worlds first 4g phone? they are always at the forefront of what's going on. Just because there is a slight delay in releasing 2.1 for Hero (because they quite rightly want money! its a business afteral) people think they are crap.
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only the newest of the iphones can multi-task though.
It took them a long time to even get copy and paste features.
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Yes, I'm considering the next iteration of the iPhone, whatever it may be called, not a 3GS. What I'm saying is that iphone OS 4.0 is *finally* looking to be a feature rich smartphone OS and so the iPhone is worth considering.
Anyway, this is heading off topic. Let's get back to complaining how long it's taken HTC to update the Hero.
Just curious about all of you who said that would never buy an HTC phone ever again...
If HTC surprised everyone by releasing Froyo on August alongside the update to all the other devices, would you consider buying another HTC handset in the future or your faith is lost forever?
If that happens, for sure I would buy another htc product. Even if it didn't I'm still an Htc fan boy.
I think either way, I'd buy another HTC device. Of the Android devices I've played with, I still think Sense UI has the smoothest, most complete interface, and I like the way it works. To be honest, the Hero's the first phone I've ever had that actually received an update! (Though it's also the first smartphone I've had.) Granted it was a few months late, which was frustrating, but then again, it's better than none. And besides, HTC phones probably have one of the most active dev communities of any phone, here at XDA. Based on this, I'd definitely consider another HTC phone. Just my two cents.
ive just bought a desire so im not bothered eitherway anyway the great dev comunity here is gunna give us froyo long before htc
I've just been reading a review of the HTC Wildfire which is HTCs new budget android device... they seem to think its a lot better than the Tattoo. The specs though are very similar except it has a bit more RAM and a decent camera.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/624604/htc-wildfire-review/4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting comparison and shows what the Tattoo can still do especially as the chipsets are the same. I hope with a Froyo release for the Tattoo it can show its potential!
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I've just been reading a review of the HTC Wildfire which is HTCs new budget android device... they seem to think its a lot better than the Tattoo. The specs though are very similar except it has a bit more RAM and a decent camera.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/624604/htc-wildfire-review/4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting comparison and shows what the Tattoo can still do especially as the chipsets are the same. I hope with a Froyo release for the Tattoo it can show its potential!
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wildfire has a capacitive touchscreen --> multitouch
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wildfire has a capacitive touchscreen --> multitouch
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Apart from being able to pinch zoom who cares? And with a 3.2 inch screen anyway I don't think its the going to be beating an iPhone for web browsing just because it has multi touch lol. My point is that the Tattoo can be brought up to the same level with a complete 2.1/2.2 update.
Maybe that "bit more RAM" is necessary to have 2.1 and sense working fine.
But i'm not sure
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Apart from being able to pinch zoom who cares? And with a 3.2 inch screen anyway I don't think its the going to be beating an iPhone for web browsing just because it has multi touch lol. My point is that the Tattoo can be brought up to the same level with a complete 2.1/2.2 update.
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yes but in my opinion it won't arrive!
instead htc assured froyo for device from genuary 2010 excluding tattoo that exited on november/december 2009 -.-
i'm not talking about hardware that is almost the same but the support won't be the same for these devices...
do not forget wildfire start with a 2.1 upgradeable to 2.2
and the cost is almost the same for both devices...
Not from HTC it won't... but the development team here are almost there anyway so hopefully a fully working ROM will be here soon without the need for HTC!
And I think you're missing my point. Im just saying that the new device is basically the same as the Tattoo. Im not saying sombody should go out now and buy a Tattoo, that would be stupid lol.
HTC Wildfire is what the Tattoo should have been.
I'm not convinced in upgrading to the Wildfire just to replace my dying Tattoo.
People, I'm quite sure that HTC won't update Wildfire to 2.2. They will just leave it behind like they left behind the Tattoo! They clearly said that they will update most of the phones released in 2010...I don't know, but I sense that the wildfire users will be as disappointed as we were when they said that 2.1 isn't going to come for our tattoos...
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People, I'm quite sure that HTC won't update Wildfire to 2.2. They will just leave it behind like they left behind the Tattoo! They clearly said that they will update most of the phones released in 2010...I don't know, but I sense that the wildfire users will be as disappointed as we were when they said that 2.1 isn't going to come for our tattoos...
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Ditto. HTC just likes to put phones out there that they can't support, you buy it, you have to put up with it if it breaks. Makes me angry.
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Coburn64 said:
HTC Wildfire is what the Tattoo should have been.
I'm not convinced in upgrading to the Wildfire just to replace my dying Tattoo.
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I couldn't say that any better. 100% agree. I think there are basicly two type of needs/users.
One is what I call the "leisure" user (that could be myself on week ends) who wants a ample web browsing, full multimedia, multiple messaging (SMS's and chat), gaming, and so on. For these users, iPhone 3g/3gs/4, Nexus One, or alike any of both is the choice.
Another one is my so called "working" user (myself monday to friday), when your needs are mostly email (mostly exchange and push), quick browsing, mapping or navigation, shopping lists, to do lists, calendars, reminders, transportation routing or schedule querying, not too ambicious web browsing, some music/sudokuing is well appreciated. For this use, Tattoo-like->Wildfire is simply perfect: does it all, with no excess luggage (weight/size).
I don't know if I should say pitty or shame on HTC for releasing a device that in a very few months will be improved to the obsolecense point. We all know that in consumer technology you will never catch up with the very best, but HTC guys, we should be happy at least for one year. Is it to ask for too much? Did they invent the "decent camera" last week so it is just now that you could include it in your phones, or couldn't you do that on the Tattoo? And cant't you upgrade to 2.1 or 2.2? You HTC want to tell us that you can't do what some cooks on XDA have already done? I am certain that these guys are very well prepared, qualified and smart, no doubt on it, but what they do is some kind of hobby on their spare time, and they are charging not a cent!
Well, my hope like many others, is on these magnificent guys cooking new ROMs for all of us (hopefully we will have a 2.1 or 2.2 fully functional), and as some other dudes already have expressed, Tattoo might well be my last HTC device.
I think tattoo is lack of screen resolution and size of the screen other than it's good if you just work around with roms and install market patched hopefully soon we will have 2.2 or 2.1 fully working custom Roms with market patched and it will be really cool
But htc should do something about tattoo they can't just leave tattoo in blank
don't think on buying a wildfire. haven't you got enough with Tattoo? save some more money and buy a nexus one or an iphone, they are truly speedy and better quality
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Ditto. HTC just likes to put phones out there that they can't support, you buy it, you have to put up with it if it breaks. Makes me angry.
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HTC Officially released Android froyo (2.2) update for wildfire in europe. Just check below link,
http://www.htc.com/europe/support.aspx?type=Others
Soon to india.. wait.
So the HTC One X (barely one year old) is being 'forgotten' by HTC. It might receive Sense 5, if it's lucky, but anything after that is a no go. Source. There is no reason why, the device is still powerful. Will the HTC One follow this pattern next year? HTC has a history of leaving their devices behind, just looked at any of their previous phones. I really wanted to get the One, but after hearing this bit of news, I suddenly realized why I want to stray away from HTC now. Thoughts?
I'm really considering buying this phone but don't want it to be forgotten next year. I want a phone I can hold onto for a bit. The One, based on history, doesn't seem like it will provide.
Even if it is "forgotten" we have so many great devs that purchased the One so we will more than likely have custom ROMs with the newest software for quite some time.
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Closed Source Project said:
So the HTC One X (barely one year old) is being 'forgotten' by HTC. It might receive Sense 5, if it's lucky, but anything after that is a no go. Source. There is no reason why, the device is still powerful. Will the HTC One follow this pattern next year? HTC has a history of leaving their devices behind, just looked at any of their previous phones. I really wanted to get the One, but after hearing this bit of news, I suddenly realized why I want to stray away from HTC now. Thoughts?
I'm really considering buying this phone but don't want it to be forgotten next year. I want a phone I can hold onto for a bit. The One, based on history, doesn't seem like it will provide.
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when u leave your wife for good, are u still going to support her?
The One X is confirmed officially to be receiving Android 4.2.2 and Sense 5.0 so what is the point of "if it's lucky"
meanwhile no official words about after that
Your phone, when purchased, works fine. Forgotten or not, it does not need an update to the software to work
KLP doesn't even have a release date so its no wonder HTC aren't committing to anything.
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when u leave your wife for good, are u still going to support her?
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Yep... Here in Canada you support until the day you die or you go to jail.
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Closed Source Project said:
So the HTC One X (barely one year old) is being 'forgotten' by HTC. It might receive Sense 5, if it's lucky, but anything after that is a no go. Source. There is no reason why, the device is still powerful. Will the HTC One follow this pattern next year? HTC has a history of leaving their devices behind, just looked at any of their previous phones. I really wanted to get the One, but after hearing this bit of news, I suddenly realized why I want to stray away from HTC now. Thoughts?
I'm really considering buying this phone but don't want it to be forgotten next year. I want a phone I can hold onto for a bit. The One, based on history, doesn't seem like it will provide.
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One X is one year old. It is being updated. next year, it will be two years old and won't be updated, but anyone who bought one the first year it was out will be upgrade eligible that year. Not seeing the huge issue.
Reminds me of my old desire hd which was promised ICS by HTC then decided not to push through with it anyway.
Apple IOS wont forget software update to their old devices(4 or 4s)!! great
ccelis said:
Reminds me of my old desire hd which was promised ICS by HTC then decided not to push through with it anyway.
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yes but the Desire HD got a bucket load of updates, yes the end of the story was bad
but 2011 line up was huge and confusing
this year only one device to focus on
and the One X/S/XL had an amazing record so far and still to come
so really are we complaining for complaining sake?
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yes but the Desire HD got a bucket load of updates, yes the end of the story was bad
but 2011 line up was huge and confusing
this year only one device to focus on
and the One X/S/XL had an amazing record so far and still to come
so really are we complaining for complaining sake?
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I understand you're a fanboy, and I expect that from this forum, I do! The complaint is: HTC is not the best when it comes to updates. You made a great point, however, that the One is their main flagship so far. Whereas, last year, HTC had a pathetic, ridiculous amount of variants for the old One. Hopefully HTC doesn't repeat the same patterns as always and release many not so great phones and forget them.
As far as I am concerned, I am still trying to decide myself between the S4 and the One. I really lost my trust with HTC when I got the One S last year, but it is true that the One S was not the main flagship. I just hope the same issues that plagued me with the One S do not show on the One.
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As far as I am concerned, I am still trying to decide myself between the S4 and the One. I really lost my trust with HTC when I got the One S last year, but it is true that the One S was not the main flagship. I just hope the same issues that plagued me with the One S do not show on the One.
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HTC put a lot more effort behind the One than they have in previous flagships, but even so I bet it will see really overdue updates same as always. The good news is customers in the states can just flash the international ROMs as soon as they are released.
Even so, the One has it's kernel source out there. The phone has been out for less than a month in the U.S. and h8rift already has a CM 10.1 alpha out. Cyanogen himself already bought the phone. There are great Sense 5 ROMs out there as well that run way better than anything HTC would release. You can be sure that there will be ROMs out there for KLP very quickly after it's released. So don't worry too much about the phone becoming obsolete, it won't any time soon. The different versions of the 'One _' handsets made for some fragmented development but that's not an issue with this One
The one S got 3-4 good updates.
I have had no problems with any of the updates, each one brought many improvements I found, only two annoying things, the power saver notification and battery chart change.
There is nothing that I can think of that they could improve even further except for camera quality overall and some other wee things like how you expand notifications, which iirc will be improved with android 4.1.2 Of course sense V5 will bring many "wanted" things, but they aren't "needed"
As said, wait until KLP is out and see what the update actually requires/brings and then see what HTC have to say, for all we know KLP might not come out till November......
Samsung haven't provided 4.2.2/new touchwiz to the GS 3 yet either and I can't see them getting it for at least another 1-2 months, possibly even longer due to how much they have crammed into touchwiz
HTC are actually the best when it comes to updates overall too:
http://readwrite.com/2011/01/14/data-shows-what-manufacturers-and-carriers-delay-android-updates
http://www.techhive.com/article/256...es_do_the_best_job_with_android_updates_.html
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/the-checkered-slow-history-of-android-handset-updates/
Yes it is a joke the way that they didn't provide the JB update to the sensation.
Reason HTC didn't go with 4.2 for the one is because it was full of bugs, especially battery drain and plus it would have caused more delays so they stuck with 4.1.2 as it was stable and they could get it sorted out quicker. Supposedly the one X and S will be getting 4.2.2 with sense V5 around June, so the one will/should get that update before then. IMO 4.2.2 is a very minor update and not worth worrying about.
Also, might be worth considering that Samsung have added a ton more stuff to touchwiz now and imo bloated it with a lot of unnecessary stuff and moved further from stock android so updates could take longer where as HTC have moved closer to stock android and sense is less bloated/more minimal than touchwiz now.
Can't believe you even ask this question.. Obviously they will not care about one come next year or may be even 6 months down the line if there is a new flagship.
Sell your current phone buy the new one and move on. Or you have the custom roms if you want to keep the phone for x years.
you guys are forgeting 1 thing regarding HoX , if HTC decides to leave it on JB 4.2.2 and you guys believe you can get sense roms ported ETC you can't because it will most likely need BOOTLOADER UPDATE , without bootloader update you can only dream about getting KLP on HoX if HTC forget about us, i got hox myself and i'll be hugely dissapointed if they drop it with 4.2.2 , simply it has enough ram , more then needed storage , more then needed CPU power and lastly it's a very best 2012 international device.
One thing i must admit , even if they leave us with 4.2.2 it'll have most perfected JB as it already have . compare your HoX vs s3 on JB , the difference is night and day.
However i don't care i'm getting one even if they say it wont get any updates from now on. The design is too damn good to be true , the speed is incredibly and the speakers are strong enough to scare you off each time you receive the msg, or even better in the morning you wont only wake up yourself but your neighbours as well
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you guys are forgeting 1 thing regarding HoX , if HTC decides to leave it on JB 4.2.2 and you guys believe you can get sense roms ported ETC you can't because it will most likely need BOOTLOADER UPDATE , without bootloader update you can only dream about getting KLP on HoX
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No, it won't need a firmware update to get KLP. The reason it was required, temporarily, was because the firmware had changed and the new Sense kernel relied on those changes. After the source was released, it was all good.