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Possibility of Android 2.2 Froyo for HTC Hero

if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?

jeremysterling said:
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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Well in my own opinion about this situation is that this should be in the general section

If this thread were a poll I'd probably vote that it should be in the general section also.

jeremysterling said:
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one

Maikock said:
aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
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with only two choices for sprint this was the best one don't like samsung and I definitly don't like the moment it's the size of a brick

Despite its hardware, I think this has been one of the best android phones out there. We have the largest dev community of any of the phones! We had most of the functions that 2.1 offers long before any other phones had 2.0.
I think that whether its through Sprint, or through the development community, we will have a 2.2 release for our phone sooner or later.
and yes, general section would have been the place for this.

I don't think Sprint will give us a FroYo release. Remember how they skipped over 1.6 and 2.0 entirely? I think that's whats going to happen here.

I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.

I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.

energizer1389 said:
I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
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the hero is not dead and sprint will still carry it for sometime to come. the damn phone isn't even near a year old yet.

sandboxlove said:
and yet we see the g1 running 2.1
and even sense!
its gunna happen. sloppy and choppy no doubt, but it will happen
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If its sloppy and choppy...what the point?? I'd rather have smooth 2.1 than slow and choppy 2.2...but thats just me................

chfields said:
I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I read that 2.2 ran 300% or 400% ( don't quote me ) faster on the N1. I'd think the hardware requirements for 2.2 may be a little lower than most think.

Its supposed to be 450% faster, with full functioning... i forgot the name. Some new Dalvik system thats a lot more efficient.
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2.2 i really doubt will be choppy. I bet it will bring a huge increase in performance. It has a JIT enabled dalvik, all built into the whole thing. Im sure our phones will run 2.2 and everything we have from 2.1 and 1.5 like app related extremely fast.
What I dont think will ever run right is full flash 10 and maybe some of the newer apps that 2.2 will bring to the table.
But for what we do with our phones now, I think 2.2 will bring a huge speed increase to.

Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.

It took quite a while for sprint to even get the 2.1 update ready. I honestly think that after the evo is released they are going to focus on it. I think it will get the update but not the hero. There are some of the custom 2.1 roms that are running JIT right now and they seem to run it fine. Although they don't have the 300% performance increase. I think the only way the hero will see it will be if a developer can port it.

makerber said:
Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.

We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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I agree, even if it does take up a lot more room then use apps2sd and move cache to your sdcard.
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I think the hero may get another 6-8 months before they EOL it. Of course the evo is where they are gonna throw their attention. That and the new devices coming at the end of the 3rd quarter. It's just the name of the game. Also some new devices have been spotted already, like the moment 2. But as for the hero getting 2.2 from us the devs, I'm sure it will happen. This is aosp were talking about and 2.2 is just another platform. Our hardware is dated though, there is no denying that. They don't even make msm7k devices anymore. They have moved to the new ARCH. But aosp will still carry support for devices like ours for a while. In the end it'll always be how its always been. That's us getting what we put in out of it. Meaning as long as this device has good devs developing for it. It will get at least a few more OS upgrades. I'm getting an evo but will continue my work for the heroc as well. For me this device has challenged me from day one and was the underdog for a long time. But in the end together we surpassed a lot of the other devices because of mine and others pure determination. This device has fueled my adiction and pissed offmy wife more then any other device ive ever owned. for that ill stick aroubnd toill the thing burns up.

richse said:
We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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JIT is already on in the AOSP code base since end of 2009 and that is what you are using (it's not a hidden feature, you just need to compile the dalvik with the according flags). And IMO the AOSP source is some time behind the internal releases (at least in terms of JIT).
The question is not if it runs (yes, it runs - no doubt), but how well it will run. The JIT dalvik adds memory footprint and there will be some add on memory requirements as well as startup compilation/code analysis on top.

Anyone Feel Like the Desire Z/G2 Lacks Development....

in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.

I believe that there is in fact a huge rom development out there. I can see why your frustrated with certain things not being there, but you have to remember how hard it was to crack root on this phone, therefore it is harder to do certain things to it. Where as the galaxy s series is easy as pie to root and hack, along with the evo and older phones. Just mosey on other phone forums and notice the lack of development that they have. There are other great phones, like the evo shift 4G and others that aren't getting love like this phone.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.

theratdude64 said:
haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
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Yep, I tried to help a friend with a Cliq and found that too. He was sooo excited for his 2.1 OTA that was super late from the initial promise date that he was expecting. And I found just about zero following for that thing.
I ran bionix for a bit, and I think overall I prefer the Axura over it, except the newest one doesn't have HD Camcorder as of now

TJBunch1228 said:
I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
Sent from my crack-addicted G2 injected with CM7.
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What up RatDude? Haha, I had a cliq before this phone and got it when it was just released. I rooted that thing since day one flashing all kinds of buggy roms. That's what started it all.They've come a long way. I used modmymobile.com and they have some pretty good development, and some really good roms. The thing doesn't compare to my G2 though!
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND

boost3d23 said:
in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
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I love development and the Android community. So much choices to satisfy anyone's flavor. Here in the G2/Desire Z forums, I believe there is plenty of development. QUALITY development.
In the G1 forums, when it was still really popular, you would just see the forums flooded with all different kinds of ROMs, from several devs. I tried out tons of them, but none of them, except a handful were well made (Cyanogen, JAC, Haykuro, to name a few). Pretty much all the half assed ones were all basic copies of all the other ones, or rip offs of the good ones. In addition there were only two types: stock and sense.
With our forums, we have so many possibilities. Stock, modified stock, froyo, gingerbread, sense, miui. Our hardware can actually support all this too and run well, unlike on other devices.
It doesn't end at roms. We have kernels, modifications, hacks. Anything to make your phone unique. And may I say, our processor is an overclocking champion. I can load up the 1.8 Ghz kernel and run it all day every day, stable. Now, I don't do it, but it's nice to have the option.
In addition to all of this, our phone is still relatively current. Next gen snapdragon processor, nearly 2 gigs of accessible rom, 512 megs of ram, decent screen, stock froyo. I don't see why the G2 wouldn't receive a 2.3 OTA.
As time progresses, I can see more and more devs pop up to try and take the reigns of development for this forum. It's a matter of when, not if.

theratdude64 said:
yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Haha, funny. Yup your right it was but they do a lot to the cliq on there. The blurry eclair rom was sweet.
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I don't really feel that way at all. There are the roms that most consider relevant, the sense roms (which has been consolidated into virtuous) and the cyanogenmod team that is so large now that most of the top developers have teamed up. Sure the number of roms are down but the quality is top notch
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I agree to a certain point. If it wasn't for the Devs then this phone wouldn't see anything. There is barely any support from the manufacturers (ie. docks, car docks). They released the G2/Dezire Z then the Nexus S comes out and it's a forgotten phone from their standpoint.

theratdude64 said:
yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Yeah, modmymoto was the best site around for Moto modding. Good to see an original Moto modder here. I also modded Motorolas, I modded two RAZR V3's . I loved the fact that you could seriouly mod EVERY LITTLE thing; from small stuff like removing the anoying buzz noise when the phone is near a speaker through a seem edit to stuff like changing the housing to all gold, I saw this one guy put a see-through housing on his RAZR V3 wand made his keypad gold and all the sound up and down buttons down or some other bits of gold parts in it. I loved modding Moto's, I remember that I had an iPhone theme with an iPhone icon pack and an iPhone font, I always used the Mulifex way of flashing, I liked that way the most. I loved the fact that I could change my service provider to 'Beast-Mobile' and change the names of the items in the menu, like for example I had my phone book says "my name's Homies" like "KoolKidsKlub's Homies" I wish that I could change stuff like that on an Android phone.

I've modded stuff like this for as long as I can remember XDA rules, lol. I once bricked a Moto Rokr E8, but I think that's about the only thing I've genuinely bricked haha. I always tell people it usually takes talent to brick an android. I just scored a Vibrant because it was "bricked" and I resurrected it.
[email protected] the post that if this phone didn't have Dev's, it wouldn't see anything at all. I haven't seen any docks for it, yet there are dock settings. Yet the phone I do have a dock for has no dock settings

Nexus S Development :(

Ok I think this has been asked before but,where the hell are all of the devs!? We have a few really great devs,but I can't help but wonder why don't we have more? Is the nexus s to little to late?
Anyways if this phone had more dev support it would truly Beast of a device

Dual-Core and LTE has just been too enticing for devs...
with the thunderbolt out on Verizon, and the G2X on T-Mobile, we're lucky we have the devs we do... At least we have the heavy hitters: CM and MIUI. We also have Sense in development and improving fast. And lastly we have three GREAT kernel devs... Of course the more devs the merrier, but let's be thankful with who we have.

Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
It's also partially because we're on Gingerbread. For example, for the Vibrant there are a lot of ROMs but they're all the same thing but themed differently. But behind the scenes, they're really the same ROM.

zephiK said:
Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
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I'm also little disappointed but what you said is so true we might not have allot but we have great ROMS i use CM7 myself
and we also just got ROM with hardware codecs and with sprint now we should hopefully get more support

people seems to forget... the device is still very new
it was released on late December 2010, we are still in April 2011
that's only 4 months, yet look at all the great stuff that we got going already.
in contrast the same time for Galaxy S, it took them more than 8 months to get them where they are now, when the SGS was released 4 months and we still did not see any decent ROM coming out.

Woo now, I made no point to say I was unhappy just discouraged. I am extremely happy with the kernels and roms we have as well as our devs. I am simply asking were all the devs are being a vanilla android device and one with great hardware at that it would make sense for more devs to come to the ns rather a locked boot loader phone etc.
Edit: I actually made it a point in my first post about the fact we do have great devs

Don't forget we have Supercurio too!

^ that guy is the man him morific (I guess he's not doing kernels anymore), netarchy <3 , apreichner,ogdobber,mrNameless etc all are amazing (all of the top of my head but yeah there are a few more )

zephiK said:
Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
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Take note, this is very well said.
If OP, you were paying money into a pool for ROM devs, you'd have a valid point, but, as you're not, re-read the quote above.

What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?

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What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:
Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.
That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.
Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.

I'd love to see what the dev's can really do... only time will tell I guess, but getting TV-Out, FM (both receiving and especially transmitting), and maybe even USB host working would be totally nifty.

The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math

What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:<br />
[*]Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
[*]Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
[*]Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
[*]Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.<br />
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That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.<br />
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Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?<br />
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
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Honestly, I love the look and feel of this phone. No reception issues and gps problems either. We have a couple of devs working on Touch and Sense. Touch port might open up possibilities for TV out. I think it's a matter of time. The phone is still young like Allgamer said.

Very true and coming from a vibrant I can say there is a ton of roms for it but ultimately a fully working aosp Rom is all they wanted and we already have therefore there's not really the need for that many roms
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The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
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Just my cents: I recently sold my Galaxy S and bought a Nexus S. On the Galaxy S Dev forums there is more activity, but you know why? It's because things are BAD on the SGS and the devs/users try to fix all the things that samsung screwed up. This is my first day on the NS and as an user I'm 100% happy with the stock rom already. I installed CM7 and now I'm like "I must be dreaming". And I*can tell you the devs over there spend a lot of time improving the Samsung roms. I was constantly tinkering around with the SGS, it was such a waste of time.
In short: There isn't much to improve on the Nexus S, it just works. I*feel relieved.

i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels

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i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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Same, I'm a former N1 user and beginning to miss it alot.
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Ok guys this thread had nothing to do with quality or quantity, but rather activity. I was just curious as to why we don't have more devs+ activity, maybe I over looked the fact that it takes time lol. And also I meant no dissrespect to any dev what so ever, what ever work you have done for this device I truly thank you

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What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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Honestly just more diversity really, I think I should have been more specific in the original post. I believe the more devs the greater possibility for sense/touch wiz and various hacks to happen. I think that I'm just worried we are being left behind for all the dual core phones, I'm not saying we don't have support and devs, but if this phone were released a bit earlier it wouldn't have to compete with phones such as the sensation,atrix,g2x(2x), and especially the galaxy 2

ICS vs Gingerbread

Like many others, I jumped on the train to try out all these ICS roms. I have the Nexus S 4G, so I am more limited, but still.
So far, they are really impressive, all being built from source. Lots of people are saying they are super smooth and responsive.
So I tired out AOSP's build, Kwiboo's, Drew Garens, and some of the Kangs. I used Franco's kernel, Matrix, and Glados to see what all worked best.
Results? Nothing compares to CM7 Gingerbread. When people say the ICS roms are quick, they aren't compared to CM7. Clicking on apps open instantly in CM7, settings menu is snappy, and moving between screens has extremely little lag. The ICS roms all had issues of randomly slowing down, but thats almost no existent in CM7. The worst part was the battery life. I don't know if I wasn't doing things correctly, but with minimal use I was draining 8-9% per hour. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife.png
So I went back to CM7 to see if it was just my phone, or my kernel. I put on Matrix 11.5, and got all set up. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife2.png
In this picture I was at 76% battery life as well. As you can see, thats MUCH better life.
My question is, has anyone else experienced what I have? I COMPLETELY understand that the ROM's are not perfect, I am not worried about that. I just hear all these AMAZING things about these ICS roms, but I personally don't see it. Just looking for some discussion here, and some other peoples comparisons between Gingerbread and ICS. Thanks to all the devs out there, you guys are great!

Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Perhaps most of us when saying it's quick and responsive, are not trying to make a battle over gingerbread roms......
Perhaps when the term alpha is used and the ROM runs really well it gets us excited for what's down the pipe line.
When I tell people the ics runs smooth on my nexus I'm commenting on how well it runs from the little amount of time that has been spent so far with out pre supplied drivers and kernel. And is described from the Dev as being buggy
Not everything is commented on being nice is not to be precieved as something else is bad.
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Of all the ICS roms I've tried, I give the best performance to aosp. Having said that, they're all still not as fast as GB (Oxygen, my preferred). Played with ICS for a few days, did a nandroid backup and went back to Oxygen.
I understand that the devs are working with what they've got but I'm not satisfied with the current iterations as a daily driver. Battery life is not the best, slow transistions sometimes...performance generally is not what I like. It was fun to play with though.
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It is obvious that GB is still faster, it is based on the OTA and it is here for like one year, devs had time to make it mature. ICS is on the beginning, and imo is running very well at this moment. I have installed CM9 alpha 11 with franco´s kernel and it is quite fast and with the same battery life than I was having with GB.

My ICS is running as fast as I need it for the most part.
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Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?

profete162 said:
Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.

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Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Alright, I guess I don't understand the actual component side of it. I thought that source was decently close to what a final build would be like (besides drivers and stability of course).
Thanks for the suggestion.

When we get the OTA for the nexus s 3g & 4g and Devs get the actual kernel and drivers etc designed for our device we will see a major difference.
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.
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then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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BrianDigital said:
then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.

For me it was the big turn it took from the SDK port. I tried that and it was slow and laggish and some components didn't work at all.
Then came along the first ICS version built from AOSP and that was already a massive performance increase compared to what we had.
After a few weeks, I call the latest releases 'fast', looking at the iterations it has made. ICS is running smooth-ish here now; no lags while flicking screen, minor lag when open some dialogs.
Lastly I think it helps the devs out a lot if they get feedback on whichever optimization script they put on their release to make it go a bit faster.
Greetz

I own my Nexus since four days now and I think that ICS ins a little bit faster than 3.3.6 Gingerbread. But I used only the Stock and prefer ICS now.
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thefangedkanga said:
I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.
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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait

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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait
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Dude chill out.
I never said anyone is wrong. All I said is that the term fast is relative. I'm not here to bash anyone, or anything. I am just wondering what other peoples experiences are. Stop flaming because you have a different opinion. That's the whole point of this, to get other peoples OPINIONS. Relax.

Who's still disappointed by the keyboard? The response time is near perfect now. I just wish Google would implement some more settings and features, like custom auto corrections.

I used the stock keyboard for an entire day and it almost killed me, I hate it. Swiftkey X is miles ahead, I cant type in my phone without it.

You know what also bothers me? The fact that the letter "i" is not automatically capitalized in the middle of the sentence. For example, "Have i shown you my picture?" Why is the "i" not capped, Google?
Argh.

Yes, these ICS builds are no where close to the smoothness, snappiness, and fluidity of Gingerbread ROMs. I was hoping that when the official Ice Cream Sandwich OTA for the Nexus S was released this problem would be remedied. These AOSP builds have not been properly optimized and such to run perfectly on our devices, but for Alphas they are decent. Sadly not my cup of decent. They are annoyingly less quick than Gingerbread builds currently are.

Captivate gets Gingerbread. Vibrant now only Galaxy S without it.

I may be wrong but I think this officially means Vibrant is the only Galaxy S on a major carrier without Gingerbread. Thank you T-Mobile or Samsung, whichever one of you is responsible for leaving us behind.
Captivate updated to Gingerbread via Kies Mini, not At&t OTA. Leading me to think Samsung is responsible for not updating Vibrant not T-Mobile, but who knows.
I guess people can still use custom Gingerbread/Ice Cream Sandwhich roms, but then we know you put your life at risk with no 911 and half ass GPS.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/01/10/atts-samsung-captivate-finally-gets-updated-to-gingerbread/
Come on Samsung give us a Kies Mini Gingerbread update!

Samsung already announced this -> http://androidandme.com/2012/01/dev...updated-to-android-4-value-pack-or-otherwise/
Manufacturers are generally responsible for Android updates to their devices, then through the carrier to the end customer. Here is an excellent article about it->
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/12/only-android-compatible/

And you expected a different outcome? As much as I liked the Vibrant except for the suck GPS, I gave up on it and imported a Galaxy Nexus back when it launched. I will never.....ever....get suckered into another phone that has the Tmobile name stamped on it. And to think they just announced the Blaze 4G.....why? So they can screw the remaining customers with a Galaxy S 4G out of support?

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And you expected a different outcome? As much as I liked the Vibrant except for the suck GPS, I gave up on it and imported a Galaxy Nexus back when it launched. I will never.....ever....get suckered into another phone that has the Tmobile name stamped on it. And to think they just announced the Blaze 4G.....why? So they can screw the remaining customers with a Galaxy S 4G out of support?
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Harsh words my friend but very true.
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Vibrant probably won't ever get it unfortunately, though nothing stock on the vibrant was ever good.

God, all you guys do is *****. Go flash ics or an i9000 gb port. They're perfectly stable with great battery life. It's better than being stuck on froyo.
You're in xda. If you wanna complain about not getting an update, go do it in the T-Mobile forums.
Think of it this way: At least you didn't but a crappy htc phone.
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Vibrant has been fine for me. I have CM7 nightly 182 (the last one )
Yeah, no GPS, but whatever. I'm now just waiting on an ICS build that fixes the mute/unmute issue to flash.
Samsung really dropped the ball on this phone, but it didn't stop me from making the best of it. When a "must have" quad core comes out, I'm upgrading. Until then, I'm happy with what I got.

I agree with Thechosenone, ICS Passion v11 works beautifully on my Vibrant. If you do not want to unlock your phone's true potential what are you doing in XDA? That is the whole reason this site exists, so devs can perfect their ROMS by getting user feedback and such.... Go ***** on the T mo forums please!

Jeffe5 said:
I agree with Thechosenone, ICS Passion v11 works beautifully on my Vibrant. If you do not want to unlock your phone's true potential what are you doing in XDA? That is the whole reason this site exists, so devs can perfect their ROMS by getting user feedback and such.... Go ***** on the T mo forums please!
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Well Passion may work really, really well but imagine what it could do with the actual code from the actual ICS ROM? Think there would be the mute/unmute bug, or the Deep Sleep issues, or the GPS (aside from hardware problems) issues? This thread is about GB and not ICS but you brought it up.
XDA is for developers, not people like you and me. We are nothing more that by-products. Now if those developers really want to create something special, how do they do it. By getting the source of course (github ring a bell).
Complaining here about GB or ICS is futile b/c we are not going to get either. We can try (see my signature) but until the give us the code, there will be unresolved issues. Take a look at the 2.2 ROMs. How many of those have problems. Very few my friend. Now take a look at any 2.3 ROM. Every single one of them has battery issues and/or memory leaks. Why do you think that is? Because we got an "official" Froyo to build off of and have yet to see ann "offical" GB (not a port mind you).

The vibrant is considered discontinued. It doesn't make sense for Tmobile to support it any longer. Plus, all those people that chose to switch to the memory gimped gs4g didn't help the situation any. Just think of it this way: anyone who got the vibrant will be eligible for an upgrade right around the time the gs3 will be released. Hopefully it comes with an exynos processor this time.
As far as source code is concerned, at least we have hardware that is very close to the international version.
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Jeffe5 said:
I agree with Thechosenone, ICS Passion v11 works beautifully on my Vibrant. If you do not want to unlock your phone's true potential what are you doing in XDA? That is the whole reason this site exists, so devs can perfect their ROMS by getting user feedback and such.... Go ***** on the T mo forums please!
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Do you have the mute/unmute issue? I didn't know if it was for every Vibrant or certain ones. For my work, I can't be muting and unmuting every incoming call ... Thanks in advance!

It doesn't matter anyway. All of the new phones are incremental upgrades at best. If you think about the price/functionality ratio, the vibrant is still the best bet for those who already own it. I can't justify $680 (Nexus) for a phone that can't do anything that my phone does already, just because it's updated more frequently.
I would love to have that screen, but if I just hold out and actually own my Vibrant for 2 years (July 2012), I'm sure I'll have access to Samsung's Quad-Core, which will probably be much better than Tegra 3. Plus the HD screen will probably be upgraded to Plus. Not to mention the GPU itself will be immaculate for all the phone gamers out there.
As far as ICS, there is a viable option on the Vibrant and it will continue to improve. As for me, I always end up going back to Bionix V anyway (the battery life/performance perfect balance)

I will aways be sad about the lack of official post froyo rom for such a great phone as the Vibrant is. We, xda users, wouldn't use a full Samsung GB or ICS rom, but just the officially ported GPS drivers would be a huge benefit. Sometimes I think that this is THE reason for no updates from Samsung: even they cant make it properly work in GB. And it just makes me admire even more the very talented devs here that make it work without docs.

Agreeing with others here: waiting for the unmute issue to be fixed then I'm jumping ship with my significant other's Vibrant. These ROMs are better than what Samsung/carriers release in my opinion.
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After switching back to Bionix 1.3.1 ROM (FishmanMod) from Gingerbread exported ROMs, I am still happy and can live with Vibrant, and after playing around with GS2 or newer android phones, feel no point on upgrading, Vibrant still works great