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EDIT, 12/12/10:
It looks like there is a ton of desire here and drive to get some major work accomplished. I just spoke with ferman via PM regarding the future of this project. I wanted to throw the idea out there, and I want to be a part of it, but I am (obviously) in no way equipped to lead such an effort. As I told him, I am much more the monkey-behind-the-keyboard writing code than the project manager at this point, and would happily contribute to any group that desires to further the Captivate's development.
So, without further ado, I hand the reins over to ferman and anyone else that congeals together as communal guidance. I'll be happy just to contribute code.
I thank everyone for their patience while I haven't been here to answer anyone's questions or even acknowledge everyone's involvement. Once I am done with release season at work, I only hope there's still room on the team for another monkey behind a keyboard!
I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.
With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.
I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.
Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.
[EDIT - 12/06/10, 8:51PM] Posted an update within the thread. I didn't anticipate this much interest, but I'm glad it's there. I'm going to go through the thread tonight and start assembling names, etc.
i'm interested, but i dont really have any skills in relation to creating a rom or anything of the like. but if can help let me know!
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very.
i will gladly help where i can. i think this is a great concept and definitely brings us back to the roots of OpenSource Development.
lets please get this going. what do you need?
Nice
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I would like to offer my services. I loved supporting the Axura users and would love to support yours. I have a little programming experience, I mainly deal with ISS day in and day out though. Let me know what you think. I really think this could turn into something great!
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I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.
With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.
I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.
Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.
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Sounds great. Even though I font know much about development myself, I would love yo help somehow(maybe I could be one of those highly cautious/thorough testers you were talking about).
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Sounds interesting. I'm interested in at least testing for you guys. I'd love to start coding for Android (BSc in Computer Science, but enjoy coding every once in a blue moon), but never got around to learning. I'll def keep my eye on this thread though, and help where I can
@OP:
Think this is an amazing idea! Definitely can see a lot come from this.
Idea though: you should maybe put up some slots to be filled so we can get some development teams, focused on their own individual part of the rom, together, so we know for sure that this will be great.
The most I can help with is being the app-writer-assistant XD.
I have yet to see a rom with its own app(s)(not counting DG's lbs launch) and I would love to see one with its own music player,notes,messaging, etc. I'm not experienced at all, i just know some java and I'm still learning android developtment(i got 3 big books next to me right now).
In fact I wouldn't be offended at all if you just say "no, thank you". I just really like the idea and I thought that if i proposed this it would at least give some initiative to develop custom apps with the custom roms and make this project that much more...unique
i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.
imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...
I would be interested. I have done some android programming as well as some Other stuff. Never did any rom development but would like to give it a shot
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I can do 'modem testing'.. I travel for a living and encounter the various Freq's, EDGE, 3G, and believe it or not the pre EDGE network (cant think of the name at the moment, long day) almost every day.
Hey I wouldn't be much help in terms of development but I am willing to test anything you guys build
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i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.
imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...
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This is exactly the sort of thing this thread and concept will help avoid. The Rom builders that are causing drama do alot of work. And we all benefit. Even if they are getting more traffic and donations than the ones doing the kernel and other mods and making them available for the Rom and kernel builders.
I don't mind seeing a little competition in the thread titles. And each dev has an opinion as to what's best and thus we have several different roms. But the bickering I've seen is ridiculous. But understandable. There are no rules in place. No required donation. No licensing on much of what's up. Its a bit of a mess.
Id love to see what a captivate oriented community effort will produce. Team whisky is great but not all that works on the vibrant works on the captivate.
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is this like the android syndicate in epic4G threads lol?
I'm in, PM me
i'm willing to flash as many iterations of this as you may develop. no technical expertise on my end though ...
I can test and am willing to learn any thing that will help with developing. I have strong computer background. Just new to android.
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im in for testing
Hi,
Who can XDAndroid on HTC HD mini developed? I will donate this!
Let me know.......ciao!
Hm, I searched around the forum a little bit. Found this website: http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Main_Page
Could it be possible this just runs on the Mini already? What happens if we install XDandroid on the mini, does it get bricked?
More info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627749
Only one way to find out...
i think there's a chance for a booting device, but won't trust that all the Mini specific drivers are integrated.
So maybe, if you offer a donation, these developers will get over it.
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I will donate this project too!
I think there are lot of people who agree to pay for that kind of migration
Keep asking, and there will be result some day
If they really are active on this project and do there best to get a result they will get a donation from me
i will donate too.....
i will donate to this project too!
Me too! donate is a must...
devs plz help us! i will donate too!
I'd donate too!
I'd donate too!
+1..me too
Nice that everybody likes to donate... but I dont think any dev is checking out this thread. I would suggest to read the other forums for similar HTC phones, there is a lot of development going on with Android booting on several different HTC phones. Since the HTC Aria (almost identical to the Mini) runs Android natively, creating a working Android version for the Mini should be relatively easy compared to other phones. But it seems nobody is interested in the Mini.
I´d also donate
I think the release of htc gratia is a challenge from htc to developers. Htc gratia is almost the same as htc hd mini and it runs Android 2.2
This means that it is possible to run android on htc hd mini; however, the developers might not be as smart as the engineers of htc. No offense guys.
i'd donate too!
++1 donate to
Has anyone pm'd or posted to ask any of the devs to ask them to get invoved?
I'm only asking cos i dont want to bug them if they have already been asked and not interested.
Now recruiting everyone, and i mean everyone from devs, themers, rom porters, testers, everyday users, everyone that loves their old phone and wants to see the development live on.
The only requirement is to work toward the common goal of seeing our old HTC devices live on.
Team Legacy: Greasing the Wheels for HTC Android Legacy Devices.
We may not have the newest, spankiest devices, but by god we just wont quit.
If anyone can think up a logo or a new motto, please do.
Between the eris, the hero, and the heroc, we are all in this together.
Great idea. At this stage there are so few developers working on legacy devices, with some devices having no active development at all.
It makes sense to have a 'pool' of Developers brought together; able to work on multiple devices.
Give people the option to donate a second-hand device to 'Team Legacy.' This could be done by either someone sending a device they no longer want, or starting a fund and having people donate what they can to buy a specific device for the team. That device could even be circulated among them by post if necessary.
Progress might take months instead of weeks, but at least we would have progress!
Motto idea: Development requires skill; not new hardware.
I'm in this! We should keep the old devices pumping!
Reviving old good roms, building on stock, sense, froyo, gb, ics, it doesn't matter, as long as we have something to flash - everyone is happy!
I will soon make a sense 2.0 rom (stock one, with lots of customizations and tweaks that hopefully will make the greatest sense rom stock ever) and I will need testers and/or developers/modders that want to give an idea or a mod to this project!
I'd love to be a part of this, and with my new CM9 rom, i think we have a stable and fast ICS rom for all legacy devices
And ill be sure to port over your paranoid android rom and add the tweaks from my CM9 rom to boost speed significantly!
So who's in team legacy so far?
Also i have an extra htc hero gsm if anyone would be willing to trade for a hero cdma or Eris?
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I'd love to be a part of this, and with my new CM9 rom, i think we have a stable and fast ICS rom for all legacy devices
And ill be sure to port over your paranoid android rom and add the tweaks from my CM9 rom to boost speed significantly!
So who's in team legacy so far?
Also i have an extra htc hero gsm if anyone would be willing to trade for a hero cdma or Eris?
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Anyone who wants to join us!
You port paranoid android, I'll port next week the Miui 4.0.4 xD!
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Anyone who wants to join us!
You port paranoid android, I'll port next week the Miui 4.0.4 xD!
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Will do
In my opinion this idea needs to be cross-posted for all HTC Android Legacy Devices to get maximum attention and to attract contributors to the project.
It would be also great to see this stickied in the Development section for all those devices.
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In my opinion this idea needs to be cross-posted for all HTC Android Legacy Devices to get maximum attention and to attract contributors to the project.
It would be also great to see this stickied in the Development section for all those devices.
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This would be great for all armv6 devices
We could use aroma installer in order to get one rom booting on several devices, this would mean we have more devs working on the same rom
I could create the aroma scripts with help from whoshotjr2006 regarding porting help.
jordfaz,
that was exactly what i was thinking of when i posted this lol. aroma is one hell of a tool, and if we could create 1 rom instead of 3, and just use aroma in order to make it work on all 3 devices, then that would be one heck of an ideal situation.
1ceb0x, jordfaz and lost101, welcome to Team Legacy!
benjamingwynn had posted .sense a while back, and while it didnt work on heroc, (not sure about hero) he had a great idea. one grand unifying rom that encompasses many devices, instead of 10 different roms for 10 different devices.
some early possible candidates for inclusion into Team Legacy are the G1, and the wildfire(buzz), and we already have eris, hero and heroc.
Also the way i see it is we already have many honorary members, such as the guys we ported from. Membership is just a matter of being a team player. Everyone that uses our devices in any way is a member already, we all just didnt know it until now lol.
As a policy, i would like to have open arms for any old devices, just so long as they have at least one guy to port/dev roms. that way since its hard for us to get other devices, everyone is represented in the process. Samsung, LG, Moto, they are all welcome.
It should work alright. We need a place to talk. Gtalk?
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I agree we need somewhere to talk. Gtalk will work ok for me.
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I agree we need somewhere to talk. Gtalk will work ok for me.
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I don't have Gtalk sorry
And has anyone created a logo for team legacy yet? I tried and failed :silly:
Im interested in joining Team Legacy. I have an HTC Hero GSM, im trying to port MIUI v4 on it, and later probably MIUI v3
welcome to team legacy! we are glad to have you. im cooking up something in the works that will hopefully help out the way roms are installed right now, and more details will come hopefully very soon.
any way you can contribute, we are glad to have you!
It would be cool to make a team legacy social group here on XDA, we had one on HTC Tattoo. So all devs can make a thread there on their alpha builds to be tested or ask for help off forums.
Team Legacy Official Social Group
http://forum.xda-developers.com/group.php?groupid=762
Join Away!
whoshotjr2006 said:
Team Legacy Official Social Group
http://forum.xda-developers.com/group.php?groupid=762
Join Away!
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I am working for HTC Tattoo...and i just joined your group...currently im working on a SEMC port to HTC Tattoo and a REALLY need help...i hope u guys will help
I created an irc channel on freenode #team-legacy , should make it easy for all of us to communicate.
You guys are fookin awesome man
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I created an irc channel on freenode #team-legacy , should make it easy for all of us to communicate.
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How do i access it?
Hey guys,
The rules are rules and indeed, they have been getting heavily enforced in here of late, in regards to the whole 'pay for a pre-release full feature Rom' of Monx and iHackers.
Alright, so you need to donate to get the latest version of the ROM? I'll hold my hand up and say I've never done that, nor do I care, once xposed is on top of a stock rom with a few preinstalled performance mods, I'm happy. I find most 'contributor' versions to have trivial features I am personally happy to live without until they are fully tested anyway.
As it stands at the moment, at least with my 2 LB roms of choice, one has stopped developing his ROM and the other has the thread locked.
This post will possibly get locked, deleted, I'll be warned or banned, but frankly. Heavy handed tactics from some of the mods are KILLING the development of the Z1.
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If you need to donate to get a rom it's never good. Devs shouldn't ask for money here.
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If you need to donate to get a rom it's never good. Devs shouldn't ask for money here.
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I'm just saying it could be handled with a little more grace, rather than literally exiling experienced mods, I mean, you might be the only mod left in here at this rate krabappel
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I thought XDA mods did pretty well. Why would you donate to receive a beta version of the rom? Put it this way, you PAID to TEST beta work from the developer. Be it whatever amount of the donation is. Infact, frankly speaking, at this point the meaning "donate" and "purchasing" does not make any difference at all. That goes without saying that the rom isn't own by them, they just tweaked and add little features over the roms, however the source is ultimately belongs to sony.
When you donate to get a rom/features (or whatsoever you called it) is like defeating the purpose of open-source. As we all know, Android is open-source, if you have tweak or something better than the original source, its a given that you should share to benefit everyone. Again, donate should come from the will of the donator, if you get what I mean.
Trust me, if you donate to "some" developer, when a new flagship comes out, with your money they will purchase the product and as a result, you will still lose a developer. Of course, I'm not discouraging donation, some developer truly deserve a drink or more. Ultimately, the money is yours, decide whatever you decide to do with it.
Handle with grace? As far as I remember, the mod did hit a warning note to the developer. Isn't that sufficient?
No offense, had to let it out.
Summon @eagleeyetom for your concern.
Exactly guys...
I'm very sorry to hear they are stopping developing and if I started that avalanche - I'm fine with that.
I'm here for a quite long time, I'm working for community but there's many guys who worked and are working ten times better, faster and more than me and they never asked for a cent.
Whole purpose of open source is to share.
It's ridiculous to charge money for something that's free or just tweaked.
I mean we built PAC for XS and never asked for a money and that was compiled from a CM source, it wasn't stock ROM with a MODs...
Don't get me wrong, I found ihackers to be very good ROM but this is XDA, not playstore or any store...
If they don't want to develop and work without money, then we don't need them.
We have plenty developer who are willing to work without price tag on their ROMs or MODs...
NUT is here, krab is here, niaboc will soon be here...
We have great THEMErs and MODers here and we will survive
I just don't give a damm for that one who only came here to get our money...
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I'm just saying it could be handled with a little more grace, rather than literally exiling experienced mods, I mean, you might be the only mod left in here at this rate krabappel
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Lets say it was allowed to happen all over XDA.
It won't be long before the best features are reserved for those that pay.
Plus you'd get less quality and more crap because you'll get these little twats dishing out crap so that they can collect.
Now pretend that you had to pay $20 for xposed and $10 for every module that you use for it.
Would you be more or less happy than you are now?
And I don't know what you've been smoking, but the real development is only just beginning now that:
1. the broken camera is fixed after unlocking the bootloader and
2. full rw access to system works on 4.3 - thanks to @[NUT] , somebody who did alot of the epic development which paved the way for those roms you like so much.
It's not like that. Our purpose is not exiling or banning or whatever you call it the developers. Our decision wasn't taken lightly as without developers XDA would become yet another forum to talk about cats and ponies and we don't like it. Developers are the heart and soul of this site, but they have been given rules to follow and code of conduct, so it's more like bending them to get money. XDA gives a lot of options to show the appreciation (PayPal, BitCoin etc.) but paying to get early access is a no go and that was a main reason of closing these threads as you could all read in the closing message.
My Opinion is Dev's should not ask Money for ROMs.. donation is not a problem, but I saw some devs releasing a firmware for Money. If somebody pay him, he will give the link to user to download. So i say a forum like xda-developers must ban those f****** devs. i agree with Mods, they doing is rite.
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Well you can thank specially funky0308 for this. We had two brilliant Rom's he just screwed up. Monx even helped a lot with the fullroot and xposed issues... All this is heavily on my nerves as he don't even uses one of this Rom's
So I think we won't see any updates nor fresh and good Rom's for a long time. Double hard for all of us having the BL locked...
Criskelo is the only option. Bet someone will shut it down too...
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Mate, when you talking about someone or mentioning someone, tag him so he could reply to you.
I won't repeat same things over and over again - ask moderators who reported ihackers for not playing by the rules.
Ask those guys how many XDA users reported monx for same thing.
Nobody force them to stop developing, they decided they don't want to do that if they can't charge money for beta or what they called that - contributors version.
It's not mine rules, it's XDA rules.
@Nut never did such a stupid thing and he get enough donations to buy Z1 and be able to continue his work.
So please, don't blame me because someone else behaves like a little child...
As I said million times before - I found ihackers ROM great piece of software, same like monx ROM but when bunch of users report rules violation - something, obviously, isn't right
Some of us are a bit longer here and we are trying to help, not to force devs to quit.
But rules are rules and we must play by them.
If Doomlord, Niaboc, NUT, Vertigo, Krab and all other great developers can follow thise rules - then we should too.
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Don't want to spam dev thread so I'll answer here...
Mate, when you talking about someone or mentioning someone, tag him so he could reply to you.
I won't repeat same things over and over again - ask moderators who reported ihackers for not playing by the rules.
Ask those guys how many XDA users reported monx for same thing.
Nobody force them to stop developing, they decided they don't want to do that if they can't charge money for beta or what they called that - contributors version.
It's not mine rules, it's XDA rules.
@Nut never did such a stupid thing and he get enough donations to buy Z1 and be able to continue his work.
So please, don't blame me because someone else behaves like a little child...
As I said million times before - I found ihackers ROM great piece of software, same like monx ROM but when bunch of users report rules violation - something, obviously, isn't right
Some of us are a bit longer here and we are trying to help, not to force devs to quit.
But rules are rules and we must play by them.
If Doomlord, Niaboc, NUT, Vertigo, Krab and all other great developers can follow thise rules - then we should too.
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Yes sir! That is so. Also to name other devs like Kali- from fxp RaymanFX (ok, he's on xperia S, but he did a very good job and he says many times, that he don't want donations). And when a dev do a good job, he will get donations from users who really appreciate their work.
Okay I think that what had to be said has been said. If you have any further questions, PM me.
Thread closed.
Is there any etiquette I should follow with ROM feature requests? Is this frowned upon at all, or does it vary by ROM maker? :angel:
No. There is no real way to ask. Most developers do this because they enjoy it. User feedback is valuable. Suggestions are valuable. The real question is what NOT to do. 1. Don't expect every suggestion or recommendation you ask for to be incorporated into the next version or even incorporated at all. The developers may either not find it valuable or there may be other restrictions that prevent your suggestions from being incorporated.
2. Never ask for ETA. The majority of developers here on XDA do other things for a living and this is just either a hobby or for their own use.
3. Don't demand anything or be insulting. Just because your suggestions or ideas don't make it into a rom, don't take it personally. Be nice and professional. Don't be upset if someone like Cloudyfa doesn't respond via PM. Recognized developers like Cloudyfa, NRGZ28, Dorimanx, Dr87, Xdabbeb, Rovo89 and etc have tons of volume of PMs. Some of them even turn off PMs just because of the volume of posts coming through their boxes.
So that's it. Remember the Golden Rule. Enjoy and good luck! :thumbup:
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Cool, thanks for the feedback. :good: I'm assuming it would be better to post in the ROM thread instead of PMing the author? I use Mahdi ROM and I wouldn't even know to PM Dr87 or Mahdi786. Heck, I donated to Dr87 not knowing that Mahdi786 made the ROM. Maybe Dr87 keeps updating it. I've noticed he can program just about anything.