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Since a few test revisions ago I've been checking logcat to see what's going on in the background and to try and optimize battery life by checking out what's turning on/off while on standby.
Earlier in the testing phase (t2?), I noticed that Latitude would update very slowly if ever, and I was hoping it'd be fixed at some point. As I flashed each newer test revision i'd run logcat and see what's going on, and at some point everything was working well. The NetworkLocationProvider service would come on sparingly, but enough that it would make Latitude useful. Now that i've flashed to the stable rev, I ran logcat again to try and figure out why my battery life had seemingly gotten worse only to see the NetworkLocationProvider server running with a much higher frequency then before, running once every 5 minutes or so.
By disabling Latitude, this stops happening so i'm relatively sure it's not any other application I have installed. I tried entirely removing maps and reinstalling it, i've tried running fix_permissions, i'm just confused as to why the update frequency is so erratic between image revisions and if there was anyway to adjust it.
please post this into cyanogen issue tracker
yeh i dont like having alot of stuff on my phone even though they have introduced apps2sd.... i mean ive only got like 5 3rd party apps and system apps. i usually can squeeze somewhere around 12hrs on a full charge from it dying to 0% if anyone has a better battery life on a overclocked rom higher then 570mhz, let me know
bosna110 said:
yeh i dont like having alot of stuff on my phone even though they have introduced apps2sd.... i mean ive only got like 5 3rd party apps and system apps. i usually can squeeze somewhere around 12hrs on a full charge from it dying to 0% if anyone has a better battery life on a overclocked rom higher then 570mhz, let me know
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who likes to squeeze battery life out of their phone?
htcclay's superfast 1.3.3 is teh best for battery life, hands down. (speed too :0)
Reading this thread on my G1 resulted in lower battery life
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I've noticed that with JIT enabled, I have 10x a better battery life than without JIT.
Life without JIT: 7 hours
Life with JIT: 12 hours
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I've noticed that with JIT enabled, I have 10x a better battery life than without JIT.
Life without JIT: 7 hours
Life with JIT: 12 hours
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This must be that "New Math" I hear everyone talking about...
7x10 =12?
nice math dude.....
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So, this post is 1/2 "rant" and 1/2 "any ideas", but the JI6 Update has been (in my opinion) a very serious letdown.
First of all, I can't be alone in thinking that the late-September update from Samsung would be a full-blown upgrade to Froyo. Obviously it's not. I guess we'll wait awhile before that's released
Secondly, I'm one of those sorry saps that had the update soft-brick my phone. It took me a few days to get around to the ODIN fix (bumping me back to "stock"), but it was still a royal pain.
Thirdly, I've already seen some issues that I didn't have before. For instance, the phone "froze" on me while sitting at home: no screen response. I had to pull the battery and power up again. Nice!
Finally, the battery life is utterly horrible for me -- and I'm not sure why. Currently at 26% battery life (now 8h 4m since unplugged). 34% of the usage is "display", which has been on for 28m total. 22% is cell standby. 15% is phone idle. 10% is voice calls (2m 10s of that). 8% is the Android System. So on and so forth. Basically, I've *hardly* used my phone today, yet the battery isn't going to last thru to the afternoon. I have 6 active applications, with none of them hitting the CPU at all currently. Best of all? The battery icon looks like I'm about 1/2 full, so evidently Samsung couldn't be bothered to make that icon accurate. I know about the battery icon mods out there (I've used 'em), but I figured Samsung would take care of that.
Sorry for the venting, folks. Is anyone else seeing similar stuff? Any ideas on the lame battery life??
Thanks,
Yip
For me Android 2.1 which samsung released in Galaxy S is exactly like Windows Vista ! No matter how many updates you release for it still will make your phone **** !
The only option is to release a full new OS which is Windows 7 = Froyo !
Better than Windows NT = 1.6
Getting your phone bricked isnt the updates fault, there are hundreds of threads out there and reading just one couldve given you signs of warning.
As for your battery life, I am willing to bet your phone screen is full of widgets. Try limiting those, as well as automated syncing. I get excellent battery life that can EASILY last me the whole day (I actually find myself running avatar/pandora at the end of the night just to drain it so I can recharge the battery).
However, I do agree that the inaccurate battery reading should have been fixed a long time ago (or at least in this update) and that froyo should have been included with the release of this phone.
Your cell standy is too high which means you have things constantly using the cell signal to pull data, thus draining your battery. Right now I'm at 72% with 67% display, 14% voice calls, and 9% cell standby. Been unplugged for 3 and a half hours.
Not great but I'm purposely trying to let it die because I'm reconditioning.
The_wolf88 said:
For me Android 2.1 which samsung released in Galaxy S is exactly like Windows Vista ! No matter how many updates you release for it still will make your phone **** !
The only option is to release a full new OS which is Windows 7 = Froyo !
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Ha! You may just be right on that. Eclair seems like a fairly lame version of Android, if you ask me. Not horrible, but not great.
anthonys2r said:
Getting your phone bricked isnt the updates fault, there are hundreds of threads out there and reading just one couldve given you signs of warning.
As for your battery life, I am willing to bet your phone screen is full of widgets. Try limiting those, as well as automated syncing. I get excellent battery life that can EASILY last me the whole day (I actually find myself running avatar/pandora at the end of the night just to drain it so I can recharge the battery).
However, I do agree that the inaccurate battery reading should have been fixed a long time ago (or at least in this update) and that froyo should have been included with the release of this phone.
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"Signs of warning" means nothing, my friend. There are folks who didn't even *root* that got soft-bricked with this update. It was (somehow) poorly handled.
As for your widgets comment, well... you would've lost the bet. I use a single screen, no widgets, no weather stuff, bluetooth off, wifi on (but currently turned off), and nothing extraneous. I run Android about as light & frothy as you can get! I prefer speed over just about everything.
Any other thoughts, though? Perhaps I should re-load Autostarts to see if there's anything strange launching at boot time...
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Your cell standy is too high which means you have things constantly using the cell signal to pull data, thus draining your battery. Right now I'm at 72% with 67% display, 14% voice calls, and 9% cell standby. Been unplugged for 3 and a half hours.
Not great but I'm purposely trying to let it die because I'm reconditioning.
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Interesting. Any ideas what would be pinging the cell standby so much? I'm in a high-bandwidth area (full bars), so it's not like the phone is struggling to get signal. I use Gmail and Exchange, but my Exchange sync is set to "hourly", rather than push.
Doesn't seem like I'd need to disable my 3G connectivity. I certainly have never had to before.
You should probably reflash the update. JI6 was great on my phone, no hiccups, no lag, perfect GPS.
Also, you should recalibrate your battery after the update and give it a few days to settle down. I always get horrible battery life after flashing a rom, but after a few cycles I'm back up to 24h+.
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Honestly, I wouldn't know unless I knew your full setup. What I will say is that I do have a lot of widgets and apps running that pull from the internet but yet my cell standby isn't as high as yours. I haven't reduced any of my sync intervals either. The 3G radio can really drain battery fast, faster than even the screen so that is a problem.
Also, in JI6, they increased the strength of the radio so it drains even more battery. I am running the JI6 modem however.
You should use something like WatchDog to see what is constantly running and using CPU. That could give you an indicator of problem apps.
Well, I'm disabling some startup items: Visual Voicemail, Telenav, and Daily Briefing -- none of which I use. Maybe that'll help. I don't know...
I was really trying to run "stock" this time around -- not so much fooling and tinkering with things, but it doesn't appear to be paying off for me. Frustrating.
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Well, I'm disabling some startup items: Visual Voicemail, Telenav, and Daily Briefing -- none of which I use. Maybe that'll help. I don't know...
I was really trying to run "stock" this time around -- not so much fooling and tinkering with things, but it doesn't appear to be paying off for me. Frustrating.
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Oh wow, yea definitely you need to disable all of those. That's the first thing I do. I actually uninstall Visual Voicemail, Telenav, Amazon MP3 etc. ALL of those things constantly run for some reason even without you opening them once.
You're not alone. My battery life is terrible as well after the update. I'm losing 4% an hour on standby.
That said, my phone is smooth and working great when I do use it.
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You're not alone. My battery life is terrible as well after the update. I'm losing 4% an hour on standby.
That said, my phone is smooth and working great when I do use it.
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Amen to that. Except that the GPS is still unreliable.
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I'm having terrible battery life as well.
i'm 24 hours unplugged, sitting at 27%
all stock JI6
Again, if you didn't do so after the update, wipe battery stats and then do a few full drain/charge cycles. My battery life always sucks after flashing a new ROM, but it always goes back to normal given time.
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after the update for me, my gps is much better, but i actually have more lag then i had stock before....
so I need to either flash a kernel, lag fix, or a rom with at least one of those.... its kind of frustrating to have lag just from opening or closing a simple app, messages, or call... I honestly cant believe a phone with these hardware specs can have lag just from somthing as simple going into the dialer and exiting out...
Battery life seems to have decreased a little but still getting a good 20+ hours. GPS is a little better with use wireless networks. Lag is an issue now though. Didn't have much before a the update. Hopefully its solved in another update or froyo.
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So I applied the update on Tuesday through Mini Kies. First experience with this update, it's been great. My phone seems to faster, really I hardly experience any kind of lag or slowdown (and this is in comparison with my stock vibrant running OCLF). Battery life even seems to be better, but that is probably to do with conditioning. So everything has been good except for the fact that my phone has froze on me TWICE today. I'm thinking it's something to do with the apps though. I was in Layar and it was working for a bit when suddenly, it froze, I didn't have to pull the battery I just held the power button down for a good 5-10 seconds and it restarted. The other time was in a game, which kind of concerns me. I suppose I can reinstall both and see how that goes. I'm thinking it has more to do with the apps possibly being corrupted. The first thing I did was install the 2.2 market on my phone and I ran the update all function on like 15 apps that needed updating. Not a good idea imo, the market went crazy and forced closed a couple of times. I'm not entirely sure what is going but it seems like my phone is only freezing in certain apps. I hope it's not just some random freeze that can happen at anytime, that wouldn't be no good.
You guys complaining about battery life... i would Love to have your times. I got 3 hours and 8 minutes today on a fully charged battery.
I updated to the current build, using the samsung tool to update when it came out. I've never rooted, so I have always been stock.
Wiped it, and then went through their whole process to install.
My system shows im running 2.2.1, so I know I did it right.
My question is, Froyo is supposed to have improved linpack scores by up to 5x. I used to get like 8 mflops, and now I get around 13. That is by no means 5x more. Is something not working right? Are other people getting this result?
Next, my battery life is horrible, well much worse then before. While running 2.1, I used Zeam launcher, and had Advanced Task killer set to auto kill everytime I turned my screen off (with the exception of a few apps I used). I would traditionally be able to get like 16 hours of battery life, and still have like 30% battery. This is with texting and web browsing during the day. Now, with minimal texting and less use, ive been getting like 12 hours, and im at like 5% battery life. As far as I know, I have it set up just like I did before. Anyone else running into this at all?
(most of my battery is being used by my Display 89% right now, or so my phone says...)
Maybe I am completely offbase on these, but I want to know if anyone else is running into these questions. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I am fairly new to Andoroid so take it for what it is worth. I am also experiencing a drop off in battery life since Eclair (which was also no great shakes re. battery life, lasted about a day), and did the requisite things necessary to to extend battery life - screen at lowest setting, no automatic sync, wifi/BT/gps off when not in use. In my case, the hog is display (98% ) which I attribute to spending more time with the phone since Froyo update. In my previous phone, a blackberry, it took several days and a few battery pulls for the OS to completely "settle in" - I don't know if that's the case with Android OS.
Five times!
Where did you hear that? People with certain phones saw close to a 2x improvement because of JIT, but JIT isn't optimized for our phones so it doesn't do as much for us. Personally, I think a 50% improvement with only software changes is pretty impressive.
Also, don't use task killers with 2.2. FroYo has better task management than eclair did. And people who have tried using task killers to improve battery life have reported worse battery life than just sticking with the stock memory management.
And you know that since your display is using almost 90% of your battery, the problem isn't a runaway process. It is more likely that the problem is how much time the screen is on. Get spare parts and tell us what percentage of the time since last charge/boot the screen has actually been on to use so much juice.
Battery could be the TWS (time without signal) bug. Go to Settings > About phone > Battery use > Cell standby. See what your time without signal is at. If more than a couple percent then toggle Airplane mode on and off. Also make sure you update your PRL. You may have to do this every time you reboot. My understanding is that it's a common problem with 2.2 and CDMA devices (not just the Epic).
DiGi760 said:
Five times!
Where did you hear that? People with certain phones saw close to a 2x improvement because of JIT, but JIT isn't optimized for our phones so it doesn't do as much for us. Personally, I think a 50% improvement with only software changes is pretty impressive.
Also, don't use task killers with 2.2. FroYo has better task management than eclair did. And people who have tried using task killers to improve battery life have reported worse battery life than just sticking with the stock memory management.
And you know that since your display is using almost 90% of your battery, the problem isn't a runaway process. It is more likely that the problem is how much time the screen is on. Get spare parts and tell us what percentage of the time since last charge/boot the screen has actually been on to use so much juice.
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<http: //developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights. html>
Says 2x-5x. I seeing as i'm not even getting 2x, thats kinda a joke.
But something within the update had to have affected the screens battery use. Like I said before, I had fine battery life not 3 days ago, and now it all of a sudden drops. I HIGHLY doubt that that is a hardware issue. I can test, but I have worked with computer hardware for years, so that just doesn't make any sense to me.
Linpack does not execute any code..it does a floating point calculation..wit JIT you get up to 5x efficiency in code execution..does not mean it crunches numbers faster 5x faster..
The phones that are achieving 5x or more speed are doing so through a flaw in linpack...
I bought a SG2 some time ago and loved it except for the idle battery drain. For the life of me, I couldn't seem to get it to stop chewing battery when it wasn't being used. I even tested it by charging it to full and leaving it overnight. It lost about 20%.
Remembering that the iPhone 4 had excellent idle battery life, I decided to give it another go just for the hell of it. I hate iOS as a daily driver, but I figured at least I wouldn't have to worry about battery life.
These are my observations:
1) Idle time on iPhone 4 is indeed better. When it's not being used, it uses no battery. However, when being used heavily, the SG2 actually seems to get BETTER battery life than iPhone 4 when it is being used heavily. Not sure why.
2) I severely miss being able to send/upload high quality videos and pictures. I hate the restrictions that Apple places on file size. I don't always have wifi readily available and at least with Android, you can upload large videos to Youtube over the cell connection.
3) I miss the integration in the photo album with social services. It's annoying having to launch an app every time I want to upload a picture/video.
4) The camera on the SG2 is definitely better. You get more fine detail on objects that are further away, no doubt due to the higher megapixel count.
5) I think most apps on iOS look better and are more functional, but the problem is, you have to launch an app to do anything in iOS.
I really wish Samsung (and maybe Google in general) could solve the idle battery drain. Losing 20% over 8 hours without even using the phone seems rather high when you factor in that you'll be losing that battery life whether you use the phone or not. Theoretically, this should mean that the iPhone would get better battery life with the same use, but I'm not finding that to be the case so far. I will probably be going back to my SG2 very soon.
Sorry for the long-winded post. Just wanted to collect my thoughts and present my personal findings.
U r right about battery consumption .
But i m sure Android is going to be so much improved and vast in features that we cant compare to any os in the world in future.
Biggest plus of Android is community like this and the freedom to change things inside it.
agree on most of the things u said there
but
when it comes to battery life i have no idea why its soo random with some people
i lose about 1% an hour on KE2
(stock was on the phone when i bought it no root )
but since i installed KF3
i lose about 2% an hour
rooted flashed from odin
I must have responded to 10+ questions on this forum in the last 24 hours as regards battery drain, i get 25+ hours on my GS2, if you search on here you will find many tips that will substantially increase your battery life.
check the new kernel ninephetamine. Have used the modified 1.4v (with deep sleep enabled).....promising results with undervolting.
Currently OC 1400, and undervolted.
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Iphone does not loose batter on idle cause it puts all apps to sleep state if not used for a while
Android phones in general are always using data for like your emails, facebook, etc if you have set the apps to connect say every hour or so
IF you leave WIFI on it takes up battery as well
I am quiet happy with my SGS2 ( 12 -15 hours ) heavy usage and I am used to daily charging. and its just the day time hours unlike people who may be posting their night time hours as well which add anything form 8-16 more
jonny68 said:
I must have responded to 10+ questions on this forum in the last 24 hours as regards battery drain, i get 25+ hours on my GS2, if you search on here you will find many tips that will substantially increase your battery life.
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I'm not interested in disabling everything that makes Android what it is. If I have to modify it to the point that it's an iPhone, I might as well use an iPhone. I'm well aware of battery saving tips for Android. They almost always involve shutting down all automated services and anything that retrieves data. This is not a solution. I have some e-mail accounts on periodic pull and the most important ones on push. On the iPhone, I have all e-mail accounts on Push.
I also don't particularly want to use a custom ROM. I prefer to stay stock.
I'm not getting horrible battery life on my SG2. In fact, I get around 15 hours with the same kind of use as that on the iPhone 4. I would just like to be able to set the phone down for several hours and not lose a quarter of the battery.
i have tried every single battery optimisation and calibration tricks on my Android phones. My first Android phone was a htc hero, second SE X10 and Now Galaxy S2.
All the optimisation and stuff works if you sacrifice something on your phone. i like my display to be sharp and easy to see. I want my email notification to be prompt and so many other things.
I used to be Windows mobile user my last handset was Toshiba TG01. i never ever had any battery issue.
It is to do with Android system, it needs to improve. it has all the pace now and so many chances.
if this roumor is true then IOS will shrink sooner than 2015:
http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/iPhone+5+delayed+until+2012?/5990
Why my Lamborghini needs more fuel than my Fiat Panda? I can't understand. Crappy Lamborghini, back on Panda.
Well if riding the Panda can get me through the jungle instead of half of it, why not?
Also, the Panda can get me more food via the App Store.
Granted though the Lamborghini has alot more fancy features and doesnt have mindless sheep following it
Anyway, coming from an SGS1, then an iPhone4, I heartily agree with the OP. Android is awesome but it's still rough around the edges. Sometimes the ease and boring simplicity of IOS is something that I miss, along with the Apps and definitely the games which Android is sorely lacking.
But then again I'd be reminded of steve and his itunes bloatware. ugh
Yes, but when Lamborghini is parked it should use the same as the Panda! (I.e. zero.)
Google really should minimise the stuff going on when the phone is idle. Google also needs to do something about all these rouge apps that always start up services that always run in the background. They should provide some way of limiting/stopping the CPU usage of apps running in the background.
Even the official XDA forum app still servers up adverts in the background eating up your battery (and bandwidth) if you press home instead of backup to exit.
wifi sharing is a bit of a bug that drains battery like crazy. If your not rooted thats definitely the screen off battery drain for sure. If there was a reason to root, just root to freeze that one rogue app.
codeworkx said:
Why my Lamborghini needs more fuel than my Fiat Panda? I can't understand. Crappy Lamborghini, back on Panda.
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LOL I like ur metaphor.. but at least give something better than Panda hahaha
Nope, the wifi sharing bug has now been fixed by Samsung in the stock KF3 release available via Kies.
greyhulk said:
I'm not interested in disabling everything that makes Android what it is. If I have to modify it to the point that it's an iPhone, I might as well use an iPhone. I'm well aware of battery saving tips for Android. They almost always involve shutting down all automated services and anything that retrieves data. This is not a solution. I have some e-mail accounts on periodic pull and the most important ones on push. On the iPhone, I have all e-mail accounts on Push.
I also don't particularly want to use a custom ROM. I prefer to stay stock.
I'm not getting horrible battery life on my SG2. In fact, I get around 15 hours with the same kind of use as that on the iPhone 4. I would just like to be able to set the phone down for several hours and not lose a quarter of the battery.
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But most of the stuff is pretty useless anyway all this Samsung bloatware is guaranteed to drain your battery, i don't see it as sacrifcying anything, ive got email on push and i still get over 25+ hours battery,i used an iPhone 4 for a few weeks and id be lucky to get 16 hours with medium to heavy usage.
My data is always enabled too, you can save a lot of battery if you use apps like Juice defender plus and system panel will also tell you which apps,etc are using up more than others.
At the end of the day smartphones are always going to use up much more battery than normal phones and this isn't going to change anytime soon until such time a revoultionary new battery is designed that lasts for days on end.
Until then people have to deal with it,follow the tips and you'll get good battery life, if you want absolutely everything "on at the same time" your simply not going to get it, not on the iPhone 4 or any phone.
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wifi sharing is a bit of a bug that drains battery like crazy. If your not rooted thats definitely the screen off battery drain for sure. If there was a reason to root, just root to freeze that one rogue app.
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indeed this is very true.
LouisJB said:
Yes, but when Lamborghini is parked it should use the same as the Panda! (I.e. zero.)
Google really should minimise the stuff going on when the phone is idle. Google also needs to do something about all these rouge apps that always start up services that always run in the background. They should provide some way of limiting/stopping the CPU usage of apps running in the background.
Even the official XDA forum app still servers up adverts in the background eating up your battery (and bandwidth) if you press home instead of backup to exit.
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It's not parked.
Your Engine is still running on idling mixture.
That's a difference. ;-)
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Nope, the wifi sharing bug has now been fixed by Samsung in the stock KF3 release available via Kies.
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Has not been properly addressed. Thats why its not even included in 90% of the custom roms.
I've been researching extensively how to improve my battery life on my Android phones and I believe I've found an amazing setup for the Atrix. My phone has been disconnected for 3:15 and I'm at 91% right now with moderate use. It used to burn about 5% an hour before with NO use. Yesterday, it lasted 14 hours and I still had 20% left when I went to bed.
Aura 1.1.3 Debloat #7 ROM
This ROM seems to be the lightest one I've tested. It's only 150 MB and very fast.
SetCPU
I set up a profile to underclock the processor all the way to 216 MHz when the screen is off. The processor is running at 1.1 GHz max. I haven't tested underclocking it to 1 GHz or 900 MHz. I'm sure that would improve the battery life even further and not have a huge impact on performance.
Battery mode (Android settings)
Obviously, it's on maximum battery saver.
General settings
I set the screen timeout to 30 seconds. Maybe 15 seconds is too short for you as it is for me, but that would save some more juice.
Every other battery-killing feature is on, like wifi, GPS and sync. I don't use task killers anymore and found out that my battery life actually improved a lot after I ditched Advanced Task Killer.
I just wanted to share this with the community. I hope it helps you. Any suggestions to improve it even further are very welcome.
Yeah task killers are pretty much useless, watchdog is a wonderful alternative.
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Interesting and thanks for sharing, but...
I can get almost the same results by using any other ROM without SetCPU and just using Max Battery Savings but I'm not interested on that setup because I need to have PUSH email all day.
Maximum Battery Savings makes push emails useless, and for a device that's supposed to be "connected" push mail is a must (at least for me).
Unfortunately, push mail is what kills batteries, specially on 3G/4G.
Cheers!
Rayan
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My phone was maximum battery savings one time for some reason. I didn't do it. But for some reason, it was seriously draininng my battery bad. I think i was on 2.2/froyo before i unlocked so i don't know if that had anything to do with it. I do know, i haven't had reason to try it intentionally since my battery is great overall. It does help since atnt turned up the juice on the 3g and called it 4g reception has been very satisfactory lately helping power consumption by not having to look for a signal as often.
I voided my warranty.
pukemon said:
My phone was maximum battery savings one time for some reason. I didn't do it. But for some reason, it was seriously draininng my battery bad. I think i was on 2.2/froyo before i unlocked so i don't know if that had anything to do with it. I do know, i haven't had reason to try it intentionally since my battery is great overall. It does help since atnt turned up the juice on the 3g and called it 4g reception has been very satisfactory lately helping power consumption by not having to look for a signal as often.
I voided my warranty.
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Exactly! When the phone switches back and forth 2G and 3G/4G it drains a lot of power. So it too depends on the zone we are in at the moment and that's one of the reason we see a lot of different results among users. Of course, phone and app/game/internet usage style also counts.
Cheers!
Rayan said:
Exactly! When the phone switches back and forth 2G and 3G/4G it drains a lot of power. So it too depends on the zone we are in at the moment and that's one of the reason we see a lot of different results among users. Of course, phone and app/game/internet usage style also counts.
Cheers!
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I think a lot of people don't realize that terrible reception can account for terrible battery. Often we don't get that feedback when people are whining about battery. Also, lots of the people whining about battery play lots of games, and some of those games that put the gpu through it paces suck up juice faster, but the user is not realistic about that either and expects battery life of a phone that is used lightly.
I voided my warranty.
Yay for undervolting
not "killing" aka "ending" or possibly more familiar "closing" your running apps.. that's like, like if you log into your windows box and you don't have the "X" buttons on the window caption bar.. you just leave everything that you run running until you shutdown..
before you even try to retort, obviously there are exceptions. in windows explorer.exe runs endlessly until you shutdown. on your android device that's the equivalent of your preferred launcher.
what else.. msn? the equivalent of your favorite sms app. facebook and notifications? similar to that browser you keep open with 5 or 6 tabs swiftly consuming your precious processor.
i'm not sure an argument even exists. "task killers" has "killers" in the name which naturally has negative connotations. call it a task manager. windows has a task manager.
other than that nice tips
I am stock everything.. even launcher
3hrs 14min screen on time
~12ish hours off the charger
still says 50% battery. which means 50%-59% on motoblur
pretty darn good eh?
Don't understand the point you were trying to make. Are you saying killers/manager is worthwhile or were you trying make a worthless point about the names?
Anyways task managers are worthless. A good comparison to make are mid/high end laptops and their ram. On a forum I frequent, users were comparing their battery runtime with similar setups. Some were getting extra ~hour or so than others who couldn't figure out why they were getting shafted on battery. Some people don't realize that 4 dimms of ram consume twice the power of 2 dimms of ram no matter the gb of x amount of ram. Thus its better to have 2 dimms of 4gb each than it is 4 dimms of 2gb. The ram consumes power whether you use it or not if it is connected. The 1gb of ram in the atrix consumes the same amount of juice whether its holding 300 mb of data or 800 mb of data. Whether the cpu is computing with something active or not in the ram is what's relevant. Task managers only help when you have a rogue app. Id rather uninstall it then deal with a poorly written app.
I voided my warranty.
aaron.a said:
not "killing" aka "ending" or possibly more familiar "closing" your running apps.. that's like, like if you log into your windows box and you don't have the "X" buttons on the window caption bar.. you just leave everything that you run running until you shutdown..
before you even try to retort, obviously there are exceptions. in windows explorer.exe runs endlessly until you shutdown. on your android device that's the equivalent of your preferred launcher.
what else.. msn? the equivalent of your favorite sms app. facebook and notifications? similar to that browser you keep open with 5 or 6 tabs swiftly consuming your precious processor.
i'm not sure an argument even exists. "task killers" has "killers" in the name which naturally has negative connotations. call it a task manager. windows has a task manager.
other than that nice tips
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Although that may be true for windows computers it its not with Linux which Android is based on. I know that there are virtual machines and all that jazz for the apps but the core system is all Linux and it's even optimized for battery life so when you press the home button yeah that is still running in the background but if you ever need to use that ram it either clears that app from the ram or (based on the app) kills its altogether. And like someone else said ram uses the same amount of power weather it's being used or not.
Also if you're using well written apps then they shouldn't be using any CPU in the background.
If there is some app that's hogging CPU in the background then you need to just uninstall it. Task killers especially auto task killers are actually using a lot of your CPU constantly checking for apps that are using too much ram but Android already does that automatically.
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Linux can manage its own ram without you and for the love of God, stop using task killers they're making everything worse.
i was defending their usefulness in general not so much their effectiveness in battery preservation. probably the wrong thread. if any its minimal.
i'm talking about active task management tho. when i'm done browsing the web and want to fire up pewpew for some old school polygonal destruction i kill the browser entirely. i guess its really based on the type of user you are whether or not benefit is to be had. some people are active while others are standby
Rayan said:
Exactly! When the phone switches back and forth 2G and 3G/4G it drains a lot of power. So it too depends on the zone we are in at the moment and that's one of the reason we see a lot of different results among users. Of course, phone and app/game/internet usage style also counts.
Cheers!
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Sure, it depends on how you use the phone and the strength of the signal you're getting in your area. Would you guys just turn data off in bad signal areas to save battery? How would you handle that?
This is what happened. My battery is doing amazing. I changed the battery mode to Performance during the day and I still have 65% after 12 hours. Not bad. It's about 2.9% an hour. The display was used for a total of 2 hours and 10 minutes.
Battery life posts are useless unless we have some kind of standards during testing.
Like setup your system and then a 15min phone call, 1 hour of video/ ect.. same call.. same video same ect .. ran on each battery setup will give a truer idea on what saves battery the best.
This whole .. it was off charger for 5.33 hours and I used it alot and its at xx% doesn't hardly mean anything.. how much use is alot? How much is little?
Need some kind of same standard test that can be run..
nice to know
Why do custom roms get worse life on the ATRIX? Im new to this phone. (Used to be a HTC only guy)
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andrewxu said:
Why do custom roms get worse life on the ATRIX? Im new to this phone. (Used to be a HTC only guy)
Sent from my Atrix 4G
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Mostly its not about the ROMs you use, but the Kernel or Baseband (Radio) firmware.
At least for me it's been much better than with the original ROM.
Also you must take into consideration other factors like type of use, voice/data signal quality on your area, and many other factors.
Cheers!
Rayan