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im new to android and have the nexus one. there are so many options for task killers and battery management... does anyone have any first hand experience to share regarding if i should use a task killer and or battery management?
currently im using process manager and power management... but it seems like these two programs are taking up plenty of resources of their own
thanks for any advice...ive heard of some users getting up to 14hrs while using 3g... and i get far less than that with only edge running

They don't use them, if you use it the battery will last 6-10 hours.

I use advanced task manager from the market once per boot. A lot of apps load at boot so about five to ten minutes later I kill the ones that are rarely used. I never use the auto-kill feature.
Other than that I just have grown to love the power control widget, adjusting brightness and WiFi as needed. I get twelve hours easily with quite heavy use through the day, mostly data.

ieon said:
im new to android and have the nexus one. there are so many options for task killers and battery management... does anyone have any first hand experience to share regarding if i should use a task killer and or battery management?
currently im using process manager and power management... but it seems like these two programs are taking up plenty of resources of their own
thanks for any advice...ive heard of some users getting up to 14hrs while using 3g... and i get far less than that with only edge running
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I strongly suspect that being in an area where you're dropping in and out of coverage really kills the battery life on this phone. That is, if you're constantly in an area with really good coverage, you'll get much better battery life. I know it's not much use, but I'd be interested to hear if that applies to you, since yours is bad.

Battery

I was wondering how I could extend that battery life on my DINC? Any suggestions and tips would be great.

Ah yes, the battery issue. One I am all too familiar with.
Easy:
For whatever reason our phones charge to 90% and stop there. To correct this, you can either charge while the phone is off or do what we call a bump charge. Bump charging involves charging the phone to "full" while its on (the light should be green) and then turning it off while still plugged in. The light will then change to orange again for 30+ minutes and then green again. You will then Really be fully charged.
Also make sure you have GPS and Bluetooth off when you aren't using them. This will help a ton.
There is an option in Settings - Wireless & networks - mobile networks - called "enable always on mobile data". Unchecking this will drastically help save while the phone is asleep on the 3g network. However, doing this will affect how often you receive updates to chats and sync items when the phone is sleeping. To me it isn't a big deal since if I'm not using the phone why should it be working, but everyone is different!
Finally, a rogue app might be nomming away at your battery. An app from the market called System Panel will monitor how much battery each app is eating. Its free initially but if you want it to monitor over time in the background it does cost. However it is definitely worth it since its a great app and useful for any android owner.
Intermediate (has cost):
Evo batteries fit in our phones! The fit is a little tight but it works just fine. Our stock batteries have 1300mah of capacity which is a bit on the low side. The evo battery has 1500, so it's an hour or so better. You can buy them cheap off ebay (OEM Evo Battery) for around $15.
Conversely, there is the official extended capacity battery for our incredibles with a massive 2150mah. The trade off is that it adds bulk to your phone and costs a lot (around $50). There is the third party seidio battery which adds even more capacity (3500) but adds even more bulk.
Advanced:
Are you rooted? There are kernels out there that are undervolted like Hydra kernel, adrynalyne's undervolted and kingklick's voltage scaling kernel. Everyone has differing experiences with them so there's not a solid "best" so to speak. You can flash these kernels using the clockworkmod recovery. This will all be nonsensical if you're not into the Modding scene.
Also if rooted, you can underclock the processor which, depending on the kernel, can help drastically save battery. You can set profiles to have the cpu work at a minimum speed while the screen is off. Kingklick doesn't advise using setcpu with his kernels and it straight up wont work with hydra's, but it can do wonders on any others.
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Depending on your activity, you should expect 4-5 hours of 3g awake usage and around 5-6 if you're mostly on wifi using the stock battery. 3g can be a battery drain if you're in an are with inadequate service.
Hope this helps!
Sent from my Droid Incredible using the XDA app.

turning off gps doesn't matter all that much. GPS isn't called upon unless you have an app using it. I have mine on most of the day (for tasker profiles) and have no issue.
Use WiFi when available, its quicker than 3g and takes less battery.
download setCPU (from xda) and make a profile for screen off max/min = 400/245 or something like that.
i have 'always on data' checked, no issues for me
kernels help a ton, kk#5 is a beast.
I'm running uncommon sense, kk#5 and the above settings. I'm on 20 hours unplugged with 35% less, standard usage. -- not bump charged, charged while on to 100%

isn't the system panel app like a task killer? and from what i've read task killers are pretty pointless with froyo......however i have noticed that my phone is constantly running with about 140mb of ram free, i don't know if this is usual or if something is wrong?? i just got my Dinc so i'm new to all the tweeks and tricks, i do have mine rooted though. i'm not that up on changing roms and kernals though so i'm just trying to find out what all i can do to help my battery without having to buy a bigger one. any help would be greatly appreciated!!

If you are rooted and aren't comfortable with flashing ROMs and kernels, look at setcpu that was mentioned before, and search for instructions to remove the stock apps that always startup on their own in the background. Unless you actually use them, then you can't really do that obviously. I don't have any times on how long it lasted before and how long it last now but I do know its improved. I have mine at a processor clock speed of 500mhz and I don't see much lag time unless I'm really running a lot of things. I'm on WiFi listening to Pandora and I'm not experiencing keyboard lag while typing this.
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is there any risk to my phone from running setcpu ? i JUST got it and really don't want to break it already!! hahaha

trembly01 said:
is there any risk to my phone from running setcpu ? i JUST got it and really don't want to break it already!! hahaha
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no...the max it'll run is 1.19 ghz. worst that will happen is a bootloop which can be fixed through nandroid.
Just increment a little at a time. I usually run mine at 1.075 ghz w/ on demand.
screen off profile max/min - 450/245

I use JuiceDefender on my Incredible and believe it or not it really works. It's turns off your data while the phone is on sleep mode so no battery is being drained. I get at least 5 hours extra battery life. You also get other features that come along with it so just give it a try It's free!
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trembly01 said:
isn't the system panel app like a task killer? and from what i've read task killers are pretty pointless with froyo......however i have noticed that my phone is constantly running with about 140mb of ram free, i don't know if this is usual or if something is wrong?? i just got my Dinc so i'm new to all the tweeks and tricks, i do have mine rooted though. i'm not that up on changing roms and kernals though so i'm just trying to find out what all i can do to help my battery without having to buy a bigger one. any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Yes system panel CAN be a task killer but I do not suggest using it as such. Instead, it does a great job monitoring how much CPU each app uses so you can take educated action.
MMBosstones86 said:
turning off gps doesn't matter all that much. GPS isn't called upon unless you have an app using it. I have mine on most of the day (for tasker profiles) and have no issue.
Use WiFi when available, its quicker than 3g and takes less battery.
download setCPU (from xda) and make a profile for screen off max/min = 400/245 or something like that.
i have 'always on data' checked, no issues for me
kernels help a ton, kk#5 is a beast.
I'm running uncommon sense, kk#5 and the above settings. I'm on 20 hours unplugged with 35% less, standard usage. -- not bump charged, charged while on to 100%
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1. If you use location based services and have GPS on, it will use the GPS module quite a bit. This is certainly a battery drain.
2. If you dont have any issues with always on mobile data then you must be in an area with good coverage. For me if its left on it drains my battery quite a bit because I'm in a flaky coverage area.
Everyone's phone is different though. Finding what works and what doesn't is the first step to perfection. I just installed the new skyraider sense and my battery life has been ultra fantastic. It works great for me, but I know others dont have that success.
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Battery Life

Im looking for a rom with amazing battery life.....
Help Please!!!!!
Thanks!!!!

The rom i've found to be best on battery life is Royal Ginger. I've gone 2 days and a few hours on it with moderate use.

KCS05DC said:
The rom i've found to be best on battery life is Royal Ginger. I've gone 2 days and a few hours on it with moderate use.
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I also get amazing battery life on RoyalGinger 1.5

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I was at 36 hours with wifi on for at least 24 of that. And I plugged it in with 10% remaining.
Edit: Make sure to calibrate your battery though. Don't judge the ROM off of the first 1 or 2 days.

Thanks ill try it.....
And how do i do the thing you was saying about the battery....

thereaper1118 said:
Thanks ill try it.....
And how do i do the thing you was saying about the battery....
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Search is your friend... there are a few guides in the Dev section
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I have great battery life on CM7. There are a number of things that affect your battery life that all need to be taken into consideration.
ROM
- Find something by a reputable team like CyanogenMod and Team Royal. Their ROMs don't have HTC's SenseUI overlay and aren't bogegd down by the extra framework and overhead needed for Sense.
Kernel and CPU Clocking
- If the ROM supports changing the CPU clock speed, you can have your device run at lower clock speeds when idle (such as when the screen turns off), theoretically saving battery during those times. There are some great kernels by faux123 in the Development section.
- You can also try an undervolted kernel. Performance is no different than a stock voltage version of the same kernel, it just uses less battery to do the same functions.
The Screen
- This eats up battery like a beast. I don't use automatic brightness as most of the time a low setting is good enough (i.e. indoors).
- Gaming and other graphic-intensive activities will chew up battery
- I also use relatively dark-colored backgrounds because I think (can't prove) that it's requires less effort for the screen to show darker colors. Somewhere I read that it's easier to read light text on dark than dark text on light, so there's that too.
Connections
- GPS takes lots of power to use, so keep it off until you need it.
- Wi-Fi and bluetooth will continuously scan for connections while they are on, so leave those off while you aren't using them.
- In areas with poor network signal strength, your phone uses more energy than in areas with great signal strength.
Apps
- Be selective about which apps you install and run, especially ones designed to run all the time. I like to have something that can monitor CPU usage so that I can see when something is hogging system resources. Kind of like the Task Manager in Windows.
TasKillers - DON'T USE THEM!!!
- TasKillers cause more problems than they solve. Android is better at closing idle/unnecessary tasks than any TasKiller app.
- Killing tasks with TasKillers also adversely affects the stability of your device.
- Many of the things killed by TasKillers end up restarting anyway because they're needed for something, so you're repeatedly killing and starting the same apps over and over again. Guess how much battery that saves (hint: less than zero).
- If anything, use AutoKiller Memory Optimizer. This doesn't kill apps, it changes settings in Android that determine when to start closing apps to free memory.

Thanks you very much!!1

The biggest deal that has to do with battery life is how hard you push the phone. It has nothing to do with ROM or kernels...
If you truely wanted to test a ROM to see how the the battery life stack against each other you'd have to have x amount of devices with the SAME EXACT settings within the given ROM. Each phone running a different ROM. I ran a Sense ROM over the weekend and got HORRIBLE battery life. but other claim Cyanogen is the pits.

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"8. Frequently use the native task manager to free memory.. Long press on the big button to access task manager."
This is wrong advice. This actually increases battery use. The frequently used applications stay in memory so that they will not be loaded again when needed. If you purge the memory like you recommend, these apps will have to be reloaded every time, which significantly increases battery usage.

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jangomango said:
No doing this once in a while will kill off any apps you thought were closed.. Quite often I exit a game to find its still there hogging memory.
But thanks for the criticism.
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It's not wasting memory, it's just sitting there doing nothing in case you launch it soon again. If that memory is needed by another program, Android releases it immediately.
Try this yourself. Launch a game, then exit. You'll see the game still in memory. Then launch other apps and games. You'll see that the first game is no longer in memory, because Android saw that that part of the memory is needed elsewhere. It's all automatic and it works well. There's no need to fiddle with it. As I said, fiddling with it actually increases battery usage, because frequently used apps have to be reloaded every single time, instead of being called back from memory.

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It's not wasting memory, it's just sitting there doing nothing in case you launch it soon again. If that memory is needed by another program, Android releases it immediately.
Try this yourself. Launch a game, then exit. You'll see the game still in memory. Then launch other apps and games. You'll see that the first game is no longer in memory, because Android saw that that part of the memory is needed elsewhere. It's all automatic and it works well. There's no need to fiddle with it. As I said, fiddling with it actually increases battery usage, because frequently used apps have to be reloaded every single time, instead of being called back from memory.
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I have to disagree with this. Quite often I have noticed that after playing some game my battery still keeps draining like hell.
I know that Android is SUPPOSED to work as you said it would, but there are quite a lot of rogue apps which don't behave like that.
So unless you are 100% sure that your apps are not rogue apps in any possible situation I also have to suggest to use the "kill all" once in a while.
I don't do it often, maybe twice a day but it helps.

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I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.

twitceh said:
I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I agree, yesterday I barely used my phone. 1 hour and 40 minutes of screen on time, 3G, Sync, Whatsapping most of the time that I used it, wifi, too. Downloaded a few apps maybe 10 minutes of games. It was at 40% when I went to bed 15 hours later. I barely touched it! LOL.
I don't mind though, this is a FANTASTIC phone. I wouldn't change it for any other phone at the moment. I will probably get an extended battery case from Samsung in the near future. It's a case AND a battery ALL IN ONE! Woopie! lol.

twitceh said:
I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I am starting to believe that it is a hardware fault..If lucky it could be because of the battery. You could try to order another battery and see how it goes.
If not so lucky then its something else in the phone which is almost impossible to fix at home.

jangomango said:
I appreciate you clogging my new thread up with your opinion.. Nice one..
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I have no personal problem with you, but if you open up a thread for newcomers, you shouldn't give misleading information. Thinking task killers improve battery is a telltale sign of noobness.
For newcomers who really want to learn about memory management in Android and the truth about task killers, I recommend these two articles:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer

jangomango said:
FFS.. my point is.. Some apps you only use once in a blue moon like Games. You dont need these still sitting there..
I appreciate you clogging my new thread up with your opinion.. Nice one..
Plus I find it makes my phone snappier after a good purge.. And FYI I still get over 1 and a half days from the battery..
Is there any chance you can get off my **** now?
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Pretty sure with an attitude like that you'd be lucky to have someone on your ****.

My simple solution. Buy juice defender ultimate. Its cheap only less than 9 dollars. Set it to extreme and configure each app. Then go to market and search 'gothic'. Select the darkest and most plain black wallpaper. You are done! I am getting 2 days on stock rom with this setup. With about 20% of the time surfing the net via HSDPA or 3g.
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aydc said:
I have no personal problem with you, but if you open up a thread for newcomers, you shouldn't give misleading information. Thinking task killers improve battery is a telltale sign of noobness.
For newcomers who really want to learn about memory management in Android and the truth about task killers, I recommend these two articles:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer
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I'd have to agree. Task killers are generally a bad idea.
Sure, there are poorly coded apps that stay in memory and use up CPU cycles. Those are apps that needs to be closed via task killers. But is that really the solution?
What you should do is NOT use such apps. If you do continue to use those apps, you're just supporting the developer for his poor coding. In that case, you're on your own.
OP: Try not to get too antagonistic. This is after all, a discussion forum.
Here's an analogy just for fun....
General consensus: You don't need a case for your phone.
Argument: You do need a case for your phone because SOME phones have antennae issues and a case will alleviate those issues.
Weird solution: Buy those phones wtih antennae issues and then also buy a case.
Real solution: Don't buy those phones with antennae issues! (wink wink)

ohyeahar said:
I'd have to agree. Task killers are generally a bad idea.
Sure, there are poorly coded apps that stay in memory and use up CPU cycles. Those are apps that needs to be closed via task killers. But is that really the solution?
What you should do is NOT use such apps. If you do continue to use those apps, you're just supporting the developer for his poor coding. In that case, you're on your own.
OP: Try not to get too antagonistic. This is after all, a discussion forum.
Here's an analogy just for fun....
General consensus: You don't need a case for your phone.
Argument: You do need a case for your phone because SOME phones have antennae issues and a case will alleviate those issues.
Weird solution: Buy those phones wtih antennae issues and then also buy a case.
Real solution: Don't buy those phones with antennae issues! (wink wink)
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+1 to this, task manager was a good idea in the old days (eclair & froyo), but gingerbread does a great job in memory management, there is no need for "task management kill" everytime you exit. Although I am a bit conservative on "frequently killing apps in gingerbread will actually decrease your battery life", but certainly, doing so will not improve it.

Using the 'Clear Memory' feature in Task Manager will stop and kill everything. Some widgets, apps will stop work. So that feature is extremely kiddish imo.
But using ATK won't do it as it has an Ignore list, if its set up properly then its the best.
Regards.
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jangomango said:
With all gripes over battery life, I thought it would be a good idea to create a list of steps for newcomers that will help make battery life better.
With these steps I am getting well over 24 hours.
Feel free to add some and I will update the OP.
1. Flash a rom.. I'm using Lightening Rom 2.0 with KG1
2. Flash a kernel.. I use Chainfires KG1
3. Use Titanium backup to freeze any crap you dont need. There is a guide on here already about this.
4. Disable fast dormancy.. *#*#9900#*#*
5. Wifi Sleep Policy set this to Screen Off.. Settings>Wireless & Networks>WiFi Networks>Menu>Advanced>WiFi Sleep Policy
6. Manage your radios.. Use the power widget to turn off BlueTooth,WiFi, GPS, even 3G when not needed.
7. Screen brightness.. Set this as low as you can whilst still being readable.
8. Frequently use the native task manager to free memory.. Long press on the big button to access task manager.
9. Monitor what apps are using battery.. Menu>Settings>About Phone>Battery Usage
10. Use a static wallpaper.. Live wallpapers are nice but draw more power than a still image. Dark backgrounds are best.
11. Full overnight charge with phone off.. I found this makes a difference.
12. Change the frequency at which your mail and widgets update. Instead of 30 minutes or whatever try 1 hour.
13. Turn off AutoSync when not needed. Menu>Settings>Accounts &Sync. Note.. This will do what it says and stop any app or widget syncing though..
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I'll only comment on the points I can share my opinion with:
4. didn't change a damn thing for me regarding the battery, it just made switching betweens 3g and H slower.
5. will try that, but won't it turn wifi off when the screen is off thus disabling any sync via wifi when screen is off?
6. common sense not to leave everything on all the time
7. auto brightness does a good job for me, a mate uses lowest brightness and has no advantages besides having problems reading from the screen sometimes
8. just use it to end apps/games that won't stop after using them like KiesAir
10. true
11. doesn't make a difference
12. sure but whoever needs (e.g. for work) push (like me) will have to skip that
13. see 12.
fenguinpower said:
My simple solution. Buy juice defender ultimate. Its cheap only less than 9 dollars. Set it to extreme and configure each app. Then go to market and search 'gothic'. Select the darkest and most plain black wallpaper. You are done! I am getting 2 days on stock rom with this setup. With about 20% of the time surfing the net via HSDPA or 3g.
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juice defender is my last option to squeeze more time out of my phone. still with my general usage I get around 36h our of one charge, mostly between 24h and 48h depending on how much I use it AND how good the reception is (better reception -> more battery life)

OP deleted.. This was supposed to be a usefull guide for newcomers but soon descended into a viscious disection of all my points. **** you all. Twats.

jangomango said:
OP deleted.. This was supposed to be a usefull guide for newcomers but soon descended into a viscious disection of all my points. **** you all. Twats.
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You don't like healthy debate? These guys were quite polite, you were the one who spat his dummy out.

**** you aswell you **** jockey.

The saga of the GS2 and the iPhone 4

I bought a SG2 some time ago and loved it except for the idle battery drain. For the life of me, I couldn't seem to get it to stop chewing battery when it wasn't being used. I even tested it by charging it to full and leaving it overnight. It lost about 20%.
Remembering that the iPhone 4 had excellent idle battery life, I decided to give it another go just for the hell of it. I hate iOS as a daily driver, but I figured at least I wouldn't have to worry about battery life.
These are my observations:
1) Idle time on iPhone 4 is indeed better. When it's not being used, it uses no battery. However, when being used heavily, the SG2 actually seems to get BETTER battery life than iPhone 4 when it is being used heavily. Not sure why.
2) I severely miss being able to send/upload high quality videos and pictures. I hate the restrictions that Apple places on file size. I don't always have wifi readily available and at least with Android, you can upload large videos to Youtube over the cell connection.
3) I miss the integration in the photo album with social services. It's annoying having to launch an app every time I want to upload a picture/video.
4) The camera on the SG2 is definitely better. You get more fine detail on objects that are further away, no doubt due to the higher megapixel count.
5) I think most apps on iOS look better and are more functional, but the problem is, you have to launch an app to do anything in iOS.
I really wish Samsung (and maybe Google in general) could solve the idle battery drain. Losing 20% over 8 hours without even using the phone seems rather high when you factor in that you'll be losing that battery life whether you use the phone or not. Theoretically, this should mean that the iPhone would get better battery life with the same use, but I'm not finding that to be the case so far. I will probably be going back to my SG2 very soon.
Sorry for the long-winded post. Just wanted to collect my thoughts and present my personal findings.

U r right about battery consumption .
But i m sure Android is going to be so much improved and vast in features that we cant compare to any os in the world in future.
Biggest plus of Android is community like this and the freedom to change things inside it.

agree on most of the things u said there
but
when it comes to battery life i have no idea why its soo random with some people
i lose about 1% an hour on KE2
(stock was on the phone when i bought it no root )
but since i installed KF3
i lose about 2% an hour
rooted flashed from odin

I must have responded to 10+ questions on this forum in the last 24 hours as regards battery drain, i get 25+ hours on my GS2, if you search on here you will find many tips that will substantially increase your battery life.

check the new kernel ninephetamine. Have used the modified 1.4v (with deep sleep enabled).....promising results with undervolting.
Currently OC 1400, and undervolted.

Simple Answer
Iphone does not loose batter on idle cause it puts all apps to sleep state if not used for a while
Android phones in general are always using data for like your emails, facebook, etc if you have set the apps to connect say every hour or so
IF you leave WIFI on it takes up battery as well
I am quiet happy with my SGS2 ( 12 -15 hours ) heavy usage and I am used to daily charging. and its just the day time hours unlike people who may be posting their night time hours as well which add anything form 8-16 more

jonny68 said:
I must have responded to 10+ questions on this forum in the last 24 hours as regards battery drain, i get 25+ hours on my GS2, if you search on here you will find many tips that will substantially increase your battery life.
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I'm not interested in disabling everything that makes Android what it is. If I have to modify it to the point that it's an iPhone, I might as well use an iPhone. I'm well aware of battery saving tips for Android. They almost always involve shutting down all automated services and anything that retrieves data. This is not a solution. I have some e-mail accounts on periodic pull and the most important ones on push. On the iPhone, I have all e-mail accounts on Push.
I also don't particularly want to use a custom ROM. I prefer to stay stock.
I'm not getting horrible battery life on my SG2. In fact, I get around 15 hours with the same kind of use as that on the iPhone 4. I would just like to be able to set the phone down for several hours and not lose a quarter of the battery.

i have tried every single battery optimisation and calibration tricks on my Android phones. My first Android phone was a htc hero, second SE X10 and Now Galaxy S2.
All the optimisation and stuff works if you sacrifice something on your phone. i like my display to be sharp and easy to see. I want my email notification to be prompt and so many other things.
I used to be Windows mobile user my last handset was Toshiba TG01. i never ever had any battery issue.
It is to do with Android system, it needs to improve. it has all the pace now and so many chances.
if this roumor is true then IOS will shrink sooner than 2015:
http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/iPhone+5+delayed+until+2012?/5990

Why my Lamborghini needs more fuel than my Fiat Panda? I can't understand. Crappy Lamborghini, back on Panda.

Well if riding the Panda can get me through the jungle instead of half of it, why not?
Also, the Panda can get me more food via the App Store.
Granted though the Lamborghini has alot more fancy features and doesnt have mindless sheep following it
Anyway, coming from an SGS1, then an iPhone4, I heartily agree with the OP. Android is awesome but it's still rough around the edges. Sometimes the ease and boring simplicity of IOS is something that I miss, along with the Apps and definitely the games which Android is sorely lacking.
But then again I'd be reminded of steve and his itunes bloatware. ugh

Yes, but when Lamborghini is parked it should use the same as the Panda! (I.e. zero.)
Google really should minimise the stuff going on when the phone is idle. Google also needs to do something about all these rouge apps that always start up services that always run in the background. They should provide some way of limiting/stopping the CPU usage of apps running in the background.
Even the official XDA forum app still servers up adverts in the background eating up your battery (and bandwidth) if you press home instead of backup to exit.

wifi sharing is a bit of a bug that drains battery like crazy. If your not rooted thats definitely the screen off battery drain for sure. If there was a reason to root, just root to freeze that one rogue app.

codeworkx said:
Why my Lamborghini needs more fuel than my Fiat Panda? I can't understand. Crappy Lamborghini, back on Panda.
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LOL I like ur metaphor.. but at least give something better than Panda hahaha

Nope, the wifi sharing bug has now been fixed by Samsung in the stock KF3 release available via Kies.

greyhulk said:
I'm not interested in disabling everything that makes Android what it is. If I have to modify it to the point that it's an iPhone, I might as well use an iPhone. I'm well aware of battery saving tips for Android. They almost always involve shutting down all automated services and anything that retrieves data. This is not a solution. I have some e-mail accounts on periodic pull and the most important ones on push. On the iPhone, I have all e-mail accounts on Push.
I also don't particularly want to use a custom ROM. I prefer to stay stock.
I'm not getting horrible battery life on my SG2. In fact, I get around 15 hours with the same kind of use as that on the iPhone 4. I would just like to be able to set the phone down for several hours and not lose a quarter of the battery.
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But most of the stuff is pretty useless anyway all this Samsung bloatware is guaranteed to drain your battery, i don't see it as sacrifcying anything, ive got email on push and i still get over 25+ hours battery,i used an iPhone 4 for a few weeks and id be lucky to get 16 hours with medium to heavy usage.
My data is always enabled too, you can save a lot of battery if you use apps like Juice defender plus and system panel will also tell you which apps,etc are using up more than others.
At the end of the day smartphones are always going to use up much more battery than normal phones and this isn't going to change anytime soon until such time a revoultionary new battery is designed that lasts for days on end.
Until then people have to deal with it,follow the tips and you'll get good battery life, if you want absolutely everything "on at the same time" your simply not going to get it, not on the iPhone 4 or any phone.

blunted09 said:
wifi sharing is a bit of a bug that drains battery like crazy. If your not rooted thats definitely the screen off battery drain for sure. If there was a reason to root, just root to freeze that one rogue app.
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indeed this is very true.

LouisJB said:
Yes, but when Lamborghini is parked it should use the same as the Panda! (I.e. zero.)
Google really should minimise the stuff going on when the phone is idle. Google also needs to do something about all these rouge apps that always start up services that always run in the background. They should provide some way of limiting/stopping the CPU usage of apps running in the background.
Even the official XDA forum app still servers up adverts in the background eating up your battery (and bandwidth) if you press home instead of backup to exit.
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It's not parked.
Your Engine is still running on idling mixture.
That's a difference. ;-)

LouisJB said:
Nope, the wifi sharing bug has now been fixed by Samsung in the stock KF3 release available via Kies.
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Has not been properly addressed. Thats why its not even included in 90% of the custom roms.