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i bought my hero last week and ive been playing with it and installing alot of apps and such along with different roms testing the speed and overall battery life. right now im running fresh 1.1 rom and several apps from the market. the thing runs really fast and the battery life is amazing. it went all day yesterday and all last night and just now its at 29%. and this is with moderate use!
i do have a question though, how much free ram is normal for this phone. i see with all of my apps and such i have about 75-85% free when i use task killer. and yes my apps are on the sd!
also what would you guys recommend for a extended battery. i don't want a huge one that will require another back cover. just one that's a higher capacity.
edit: just a FYI, don't install the antivirus app from the market, it is a HUGE battery killer. i know we don't need the app but i wanted to test it out.
fixxxer2008 said:
i bought my hero last week and ive been playing with it and installing alot of apps and such along with different roms testing the speed and overall battery life. right now im running fresh 1.1 rom and several apps from the market. the thing runs really fast and the battery life is amazing. it went all day yesterday and all last night and just now its at 29%. and this is with moderate use!
i do have a question though, how much free ram is normal for this phone. i see with all of my apps and such i have about 75-85% free when i use task killer. and yes my apps are on the sd!
also what would you guys recommend for a extended battery. i don't want a huge one that will require another back cover. just one that's a higher capacity.
edit: just a FYI, don't install the antivirus app from the market, it is a HUGE battery killer. i know we don't need the app but i wanted to test it out.
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first read this. as far as your memory goes istalling and testing all those apps have you cleared out your cache recently? As even though the apps are on the SD they still store the cache on internal.
I'll second nixing the task killer. I was a skeptic at first, but I sacked the task killer and took note over the next two days. Much better WITHOUT the task killer.
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I'll second nixing the task killer. I was a skeptic at first, but I sacked the task killer and took note over the next two days. Much better WITHOUT the task killer.
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whats better? the speed?
And reliability
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And reliability
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Yup. Very happy with speed and reliability. Can't imagine why I ever needed a task killer.
Battery is way better than I expected. I play with my hero all day, browser internet, youtube watch, check email, download apps. The phone still has 20% more battery. And the memory control is good. I used to use taskkiller. But now I don't use it anymore. I don't turn off hero for 3 or 4 days, app runs quickly. But the Android system has to improve. It could be better.
Same here. Battery life is pretty good. Quit using a task killer and the phone is running great. If you have Astro or ES File Explorer installed they have a task manager/killer built in that you can use if you REALLY think you need to kill something.
Battery. There is a thread in the Sprint HTC Hero section on androidforums about a replacement battery that is higher capacity but fits with the stock battery cover. Everybody seems to love it.
It won't let me post a link to it, but you can go to androidforums.com and go to the Sprint HTC Hero section and search for Mugen Battery 1800mAh.
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edit: just a FYI, don't install the antivirus app from the market, it is a HUGE battery killer. i know we don't need the app but i wanted to test it out.
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Bro, this is Linux, not windows. An anti-virus would just be a waste of time
my battery life blows. i don't have many apps running either. wake up at 7am and it's dead by around 10pm with not too much use.
GMail in use
GV set to 5m updates
DealDroid set to 15m updates
WeatherBug app in the background (same battery span with TWC or other weather widgets/apps)
Bloo app in background sometimes
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my battery life blows. i don't have many apps running either. wake up at 7am and it's dead by around 10pm with not too much use.
GMail in use
GV set to 5m updates
DealDroid set to 15m updates
WeatherBug app in the background (same battery span with TWC or other weather widgets/apps)
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your pullin data all the time...what do you expect?
my suggestion: make a shortcut with bettercut and sync on demand.
I was wondering how I could extend that battery life on my DINC? Any suggestions and tips would be great.
Ah yes, the battery issue. One I am all too familiar with.
Easy:
For whatever reason our phones charge to 90% and stop there. To correct this, you can either charge while the phone is off or do what we call a bump charge. Bump charging involves charging the phone to "full" while its on (the light should be green) and then turning it off while still plugged in. The light will then change to orange again for 30+ minutes and then green again. You will then Really be fully charged.
Also make sure you have GPS and Bluetooth off when you aren't using them. This will help a ton.
There is an option in Settings - Wireless & networks - mobile networks - called "enable always on mobile data". Unchecking this will drastically help save while the phone is asleep on the 3g network. However, doing this will affect how often you receive updates to chats and sync items when the phone is sleeping. To me it isn't a big deal since if I'm not using the phone why should it be working, but everyone is different!
Finally, a rogue app might be nomming away at your battery. An app from the market called System Panel will monitor how much battery each app is eating. Its free initially but if you want it to monitor over time in the background it does cost. However it is definitely worth it since its a great app and useful for any android owner.
Intermediate (has cost):
Evo batteries fit in our phones! The fit is a little tight but it works just fine. Our stock batteries have 1300mah of capacity which is a bit on the low side. The evo battery has 1500, so it's an hour or so better. You can buy them cheap off ebay (OEM Evo Battery) for around $15.
Conversely, there is the official extended capacity battery for our incredibles with a massive 2150mah. The trade off is that it adds bulk to your phone and costs a lot (around $50). There is the third party seidio battery which adds even more capacity (3500) but adds even more bulk.
Advanced:
Are you rooted? There are kernels out there that are undervolted like Hydra kernel, adrynalyne's undervolted and kingklick's voltage scaling kernel. Everyone has differing experiences with them so there's not a solid "best" so to speak. You can flash these kernels using the clockworkmod recovery. This will all be nonsensical if you're not into the Modding scene.
Also if rooted, you can underclock the processor which, depending on the kernel, can help drastically save battery. You can set profiles to have the cpu work at a minimum speed while the screen is off. Kingklick doesn't advise using setcpu with his kernels and it straight up wont work with hydra's, but it can do wonders on any others.
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Depending on your activity, you should expect 4-5 hours of 3g awake usage and around 5-6 if you're mostly on wifi using the stock battery. 3g can be a battery drain if you're in an are with inadequate service.
Hope this helps!
Sent from my Droid Incredible using the XDA app.
turning off gps doesn't matter all that much. GPS isn't called upon unless you have an app using it. I have mine on most of the day (for tasker profiles) and have no issue.
Use WiFi when available, its quicker than 3g and takes less battery.
download setCPU (from xda) and make a profile for screen off max/min = 400/245 or something like that.
i have 'always on data' checked, no issues for me
kernels help a ton, kk#5 is a beast.
I'm running uncommon sense, kk#5 and the above settings. I'm on 20 hours unplugged with 35% less, standard usage. -- not bump charged, charged while on to 100%
isn't the system panel app like a task killer? and from what i've read task killers are pretty pointless with froyo......however i have noticed that my phone is constantly running with about 140mb of ram free, i don't know if this is usual or if something is wrong?? i just got my Dinc so i'm new to all the tweeks and tricks, i do have mine rooted though. i'm not that up on changing roms and kernals though so i'm just trying to find out what all i can do to help my battery without having to buy a bigger one. any help would be greatly appreciated!!
If you are rooted and aren't comfortable with flashing ROMs and kernels, look at setcpu that was mentioned before, and search for instructions to remove the stock apps that always startup on their own in the background. Unless you actually use them, then you can't really do that obviously. I don't have any times on how long it lasted before and how long it last now but I do know its improved. I have mine at a processor clock speed of 500mhz and I don't see much lag time unless I'm really running a lot of things. I'm on WiFi listening to Pandora and I'm not experiencing keyboard lag while typing this.
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is there any risk to my phone from running setcpu ? i JUST got it and really don't want to break it already!! hahaha
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is there any risk to my phone from running setcpu ? i JUST got it and really don't want to break it already!! hahaha
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no...the max it'll run is 1.19 ghz. worst that will happen is a bootloop which can be fixed through nandroid.
Just increment a little at a time. I usually run mine at 1.075 ghz w/ on demand.
screen off profile max/min - 450/245
I use JuiceDefender on my Incredible and believe it or not it really works. It's turns off your data while the phone is on sleep mode so no battery is being drained. I get at least 5 hours extra battery life. You also get other features that come along with it so just give it a try It's free!
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isn't the system panel app like a task killer? and from what i've read task killers are pretty pointless with froyo......however i have noticed that my phone is constantly running with about 140mb of ram free, i don't know if this is usual or if something is wrong?? i just got my Dinc so i'm new to all the tweeks and tricks, i do have mine rooted though. i'm not that up on changing roms and kernals though so i'm just trying to find out what all i can do to help my battery without having to buy a bigger one. any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Yes system panel CAN be a task killer but I do not suggest using it as such. Instead, it does a great job monitoring how much CPU each app uses so you can take educated action.
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turning off gps doesn't matter all that much. GPS isn't called upon unless you have an app using it. I have mine on most of the day (for tasker profiles) and have no issue.
Use WiFi when available, its quicker than 3g and takes less battery.
download setCPU (from xda) and make a profile for screen off max/min = 400/245 or something like that.
i have 'always on data' checked, no issues for me
kernels help a ton, kk#5 is a beast.
I'm running uncommon sense, kk#5 and the above settings. I'm on 20 hours unplugged with 35% less, standard usage. -- not bump charged, charged while on to 100%
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1. If you use location based services and have GPS on, it will use the GPS module quite a bit. This is certainly a battery drain.
2. If you dont have any issues with always on mobile data then you must be in an area with good coverage. For me if its left on it drains my battery quite a bit because I'm in a flaky coverage area.
Everyone's phone is different though. Finding what works and what doesn't is the first step to perfection. I just installed the new skyraider sense and my battery life has been ultra fantastic. It works great for me, but I know others dont have that success.
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I updated to the current build, using the samsung tool to update when it came out. I've never rooted, so I have always been stock.
Wiped it, and then went through their whole process to install.
My system shows im running 2.2.1, so I know I did it right.
My question is, Froyo is supposed to have improved linpack scores by up to 5x. I used to get like 8 mflops, and now I get around 13. That is by no means 5x more. Is something not working right? Are other people getting this result?
Next, my battery life is horrible, well much worse then before. While running 2.1, I used Zeam launcher, and had Advanced Task killer set to auto kill everytime I turned my screen off (with the exception of a few apps I used). I would traditionally be able to get like 16 hours of battery life, and still have like 30% battery. This is with texting and web browsing during the day. Now, with minimal texting and less use, ive been getting like 12 hours, and im at like 5% battery life. As far as I know, I have it set up just like I did before. Anyone else running into this at all?
(most of my battery is being used by my Display 89% right now, or so my phone says...)
Maybe I am completely offbase on these, but I want to know if anyone else is running into these questions. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I am fairly new to Andoroid so take it for what it is worth. I am also experiencing a drop off in battery life since Eclair (which was also no great shakes re. battery life, lasted about a day), and did the requisite things necessary to to extend battery life - screen at lowest setting, no automatic sync, wifi/BT/gps off when not in use. In my case, the hog is display (98% ) which I attribute to spending more time with the phone since Froyo update. In my previous phone, a blackberry, it took several days and a few battery pulls for the OS to completely "settle in" - I don't know if that's the case with Android OS.
Five times!
Where did you hear that? People with certain phones saw close to a 2x improvement because of JIT, but JIT isn't optimized for our phones so it doesn't do as much for us. Personally, I think a 50% improvement with only software changes is pretty impressive.
Also, don't use task killers with 2.2. FroYo has better task management than eclair did. And people who have tried using task killers to improve battery life have reported worse battery life than just sticking with the stock memory management.
And you know that since your display is using almost 90% of your battery, the problem isn't a runaway process. It is more likely that the problem is how much time the screen is on. Get spare parts and tell us what percentage of the time since last charge/boot the screen has actually been on to use so much juice.
Battery could be the TWS (time without signal) bug. Go to Settings > About phone > Battery use > Cell standby. See what your time without signal is at. If more than a couple percent then toggle Airplane mode on and off. Also make sure you update your PRL. You may have to do this every time you reboot. My understanding is that it's a common problem with 2.2 and CDMA devices (not just the Epic).
DiGi760 said:
Five times!
Where did you hear that? People with certain phones saw close to a 2x improvement because of JIT, but JIT isn't optimized for our phones so it doesn't do as much for us. Personally, I think a 50% improvement with only software changes is pretty impressive.
Also, don't use task killers with 2.2. FroYo has better task management than eclair did. And people who have tried using task killers to improve battery life have reported worse battery life than just sticking with the stock memory management.
And you know that since your display is using almost 90% of your battery, the problem isn't a runaway process. It is more likely that the problem is how much time the screen is on. Get spare parts and tell us what percentage of the time since last charge/boot the screen has actually been on to use so much juice.
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Yeah,
<http: //developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights. html>
Says 2x-5x. I seeing as i'm not even getting 2x, thats kinda a joke.
But something within the update had to have affected the screens battery use. Like I said before, I had fine battery life not 3 days ago, and now it all of a sudden drops. I HIGHLY doubt that that is a hardware issue. I can test, but I have worked with computer hardware for years, so that just doesn't make any sense to me.
Linpack does not execute any code..it does a floating point calculation..wit JIT you get up to 5x efficiency in code execution..does not mean it crunches numbers faster 5x faster..
The phones that are achieving 5x or more speed are doing so through a flaw in linpack...
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"8. Frequently use the native task manager to free memory.. Long press on the big button to access task manager."
This is wrong advice. This actually increases battery use. The frequently used applications stay in memory so that they will not be loaded again when needed. If you purge the memory like you recommend, these apps will have to be reloaded every time, which significantly increases battery usage.
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No doing this once in a while will kill off any apps you thought were closed.. Quite often I exit a game to find its still there hogging memory.
But thanks for the criticism.
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It's not wasting memory, it's just sitting there doing nothing in case you launch it soon again. If that memory is needed by another program, Android releases it immediately.
Try this yourself. Launch a game, then exit. You'll see the game still in memory. Then launch other apps and games. You'll see that the first game is no longer in memory, because Android saw that that part of the memory is needed elsewhere. It's all automatic and it works well. There's no need to fiddle with it. As I said, fiddling with it actually increases battery usage, because frequently used apps have to be reloaded every single time, instead of being called back from memory.
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It's not wasting memory, it's just sitting there doing nothing in case you launch it soon again. If that memory is needed by another program, Android releases it immediately.
Try this yourself. Launch a game, then exit. You'll see the game still in memory. Then launch other apps and games. You'll see that the first game is no longer in memory, because Android saw that that part of the memory is needed elsewhere. It's all automatic and it works well. There's no need to fiddle with it. As I said, fiddling with it actually increases battery usage, because frequently used apps have to be reloaded every single time, instead of being called back from memory.
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I have to disagree with this. Quite often I have noticed that after playing some game my battery still keeps draining like hell.
I know that Android is SUPPOSED to work as you said it would, but there are quite a lot of rogue apps which don't behave like that.
So unless you are 100% sure that your apps are not rogue apps in any possible situation I also have to suggest to use the "kill all" once in a while.
I don't do it often, maybe twice a day but it helps.
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I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I agree, yesterday I barely used my phone. 1 hour and 40 minutes of screen on time, 3G, Sync, Whatsapping most of the time that I used it, wifi, too. Downloaded a few apps maybe 10 minutes of games. It was at 40% when I went to bed 15 hours later. I barely touched it! LOL.
I don't mind though, this is a FANTASTIC phone. I wouldn't change it for any other phone at the moment. I will probably get an extended battery case from Samsung in the near future. It's a case AND a battery ALL IN ONE! Woopie! lol.
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I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I am starting to believe that it is a hardware fault..If lucky it could be because of the battery. You could try to order another battery and see how it goes.
If not so lucky then its something else in the phone which is almost impossible to fix at home.
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I appreciate you clogging my new thread up with your opinion.. Nice one..
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I have no personal problem with you, but if you open up a thread for newcomers, you shouldn't give misleading information. Thinking task killers improve battery is a telltale sign of noobness.
For newcomers who really want to learn about memory management in Android and the truth about task killers, I recommend these two articles:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer
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FFS.. my point is.. Some apps you only use once in a blue moon like Games. You dont need these still sitting there..
I appreciate you clogging my new thread up with your opinion.. Nice one..
Plus I find it makes my phone snappier after a good purge.. And FYI I still get over 1 and a half days from the battery..
Is there any chance you can get off my **** now?
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Pretty sure with an attitude like that you'd be lucky to have someone on your ****.
My simple solution. Buy juice defender ultimate. Its cheap only less than 9 dollars. Set it to extreme and configure each app. Then go to market and search 'gothic'. Select the darkest and most plain black wallpaper. You are done! I am getting 2 days on stock rom with this setup. With about 20% of the time surfing the net via HSDPA or 3g.
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I have no personal problem with you, but if you open up a thread for newcomers, you shouldn't give misleading information. Thinking task killers improve battery is a telltale sign of noobness.
For newcomers who really want to learn about memory management in Android and the truth about task killers, I recommend these two articles:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer
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I'd have to agree. Task killers are generally a bad idea.
Sure, there are poorly coded apps that stay in memory and use up CPU cycles. Those are apps that needs to be closed via task killers. But is that really the solution?
What you should do is NOT use such apps. If you do continue to use those apps, you're just supporting the developer for his poor coding. In that case, you're on your own.
OP: Try not to get too antagonistic. This is after all, a discussion forum.
Here's an analogy just for fun....
General consensus: You don't need a case for your phone.
Argument: You do need a case for your phone because SOME phones have antennae issues and a case will alleviate those issues.
Weird solution: Buy those phones wtih antennae issues and then also buy a case.
Real solution: Don't buy those phones with antennae issues! (wink wink)
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I'd have to agree. Task killers are generally a bad idea.
Sure, there are poorly coded apps that stay in memory and use up CPU cycles. Those are apps that needs to be closed via task killers. But is that really the solution?
What you should do is NOT use such apps. If you do continue to use those apps, you're just supporting the developer for his poor coding. In that case, you're on your own.
OP: Try not to get too antagonistic. This is after all, a discussion forum.
Here's an analogy just for fun....
General consensus: You don't need a case for your phone.
Argument: You do need a case for your phone because SOME phones have antennae issues and a case will alleviate those issues.
Weird solution: Buy those phones wtih antennae issues and then also buy a case.
Real solution: Don't buy those phones with antennae issues! (wink wink)
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+1 to this, task manager was a good idea in the old days (eclair & froyo), but gingerbread does a great job in memory management, there is no need for "task management kill" everytime you exit. Although I am a bit conservative on "frequently killing apps in gingerbread will actually decrease your battery life", but certainly, doing so will not improve it.
Using the 'Clear Memory' feature in Task Manager will stop and kill everything. Some widgets, apps will stop work. So that feature is extremely kiddish imo.
But using ATK won't do it as it has an Ignore list, if its set up properly then its the best.
Regards.
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With all gripes over battery life, I thought it would be a good idea to create a list of steps for newcomers that will help make battery life better.
With these steps I am getting well over 24 hours.
Feel free to add some and I will update the OP.
1. Flash a rom.. I'm using Lightening Rom 2.0 with KG1
2. Flash a kernel.. I use Chainfires KG1
3. Use Titanium backup to freeze any crap you dont need. There is a guide on here already about this.
4. Disable fast dormancy.. *#*#9900#*#*
5. Wifi Sleep Policy set this to Screen Off.. Settings>Wireless & Networks>WiFi Networks>Menu>Advanced>WiFi Sleep Policy
6. Manage your radios.. Use the power widget to turn off BlueTooth,WiFi, GPS, even 3G when not needed.
7. Screen brightness.. Set this as low as you can whilst still being readable.
8. Frequently use the native task manager to free memory.. Long press on the big button to access task manager.
9. Monitor what apps are using battery.. Menu>Settings>About Phone>Battery Usage
10. Use a static wallpaper.. Live wallpapers are nice but draw more power than a still image. Dark backgrounds are best.
11. Full overnight charge with phone off.. I found this makes a difference.
12. Change the frequency at which your mail and widgets update. Instead of 30 minutes or whatever try 1 hour.
13. Turn off AutoSync when not needed. Menu>Settings>Accounts &Sync. Note.. This will do what it says and stop any app or widget syncing though..
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I'll only comment on the points I can share my opinion with:
4. didn't change a damn thing for me regarding the battery, it just made switching betweens 3g and H slower.
5. will try that, but won't it turn wifi off when the screen is off thus disabling any sync via wifi when screen is off?
6. common sense not to leave everything on all the time
7. auto brightness does a good job for me, a mate uses lowest brightness and has no advantages besides having problems reading from the screen sometimes
8. just use it to end apps/games that won't stop after using them like KiesAir
10. true
11. doesn't make a difference
12. sure but whoever needs (e.g. for work) push (like me) will have to skip that
13. see 12.
fenguinpower said:
My simple solution. Buy juice defender ultimate. Its cheap only less than 9 dollars. Set it to extreme and configure each app. Then go to market and search 'gothic'. Select the darkest and most plain black wallpaper. You are done! I am getting 2 days on stock rom with this setup. With about 20% of the time surfing the net via HSDPA or 3g.
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juice defender is my last option to squeeze more time out of my phone. still with my general usage I get around 36h our of one charge, mostly between 24h and 48h depending on how much I use it AND how good the reception is (better reception -> more battery life)
OP deleted.. This was supposed to be a usefull guide for newcomers but soon descended into a viscious disection of all my points. **** you all. Twats.
jangomango said:
OP deleted.. This was supposed to be a usefull guide for newcomers but soon descended into a viscious disection of all my points. **** you all. Twats.
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You don't like healthy debate? These guys were quite polite, you were the one who spat his dummy out.
**** you aswell you **** jockey.
I've been researching extensively how to improve my battery life on my Android phones and I believe I've found an amazing setup for the Atrix. My phone has been disconnected for 3:15 and I'm at 91% right now with moderate use. It used to burn about 5% an hour before with NO use. Yesterday, it lasted 14 hours and I still had 20% left when I went to bed.
Aura 1.1.3 Debloat #7 ROM
This ROM seems to be the lightest one I've tested. It's only 150 MB and very fast.
SetCPU
I set up a profile to underclock the processor all the way to 216 MHz when the screen is off. The processor is running at 1.1 GHz max. I haven't tested underclocking it to 1 GHz or 900 MHz. I'm sure that would improve the battery life even further and not have a huge impact on performance.
Battery mode (Android settings)
Obviously, it's on maximum battery saver.
General settings
I set the screen timeout to 30 seconds. Maybe 15 seconds is too short for you as it is for me, but that would save some more juice.
Every other battery-killing feature is on, like wifi, GPS and sync. I don't use task killers anymore and found out that my battery life actually improved a lot after I ditched Advanced Task Killer.
I just wanted to share this with the community. I hope it helps you. Any suggestions to improve it even further are very welcome.
Yeah task killers are pretty much useless, watchdog is a wonderful alternative.
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Interesting and thanks for sharing, but...
I can get almost the same results by using any other ROM without SetCPU and just using Max Battery Savings but I'm not interested on that setup because I need to have PUSH email all day.
Maximum Battery Savings makes push emails useless, and for a device that's supposed to be "connected" push mail is a must (at least for me).
Unfortunately, push mail is what kills batteries, specially on 3G/4G.
Cheers!
Rayan
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My phone was maximum battery savings one time for some reason. I didn't do it. But for some reason, it was seriously draininng my battery bad. I think i was on 2.2/froyo before i unlocked so i don't know if that had anything to do with it. I do know, i haven't had reason to try it intentionally since my battery is great overall. It does help since atnt turned up the juice on the 3g and called it 4g reception has been very satisfactory lately helping power consumption by not having to look for a signal as often.
I voided my warranty.
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My phone was maximum battery savings one time for some reason. I didn't do it. But for some reason, it was seriously draininng my battery bad. I think i was on 2.2/froyo before i unlocked so i don't know if that had anything to do with it. I do know, i haven't had reason to try it intentionally since my battery is great overall. It does help since atnt turned up the juice on the 3g and called it 4g reception has been very satisfactory lately helping power consumption by not having to look for a signal as often.
I voided my warranty.
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Exactly! When the phone switches back and forth 2G and 3G/4G it drains a lot of power. So it too depends on the zone we are in at the moment and that's one of the reason we see a lot of different results among users. Of course, phone and app/game/internet usage style also counts.
Cheers!
Rayan said:
Exactly! When the phone switches back and forth 2G and 3G/4G it drains a lot of power. So it too depends on the zone we are in at the moment and that's one of the reason we see a lot of different results among users. Of course, phone and app/game/internet usage style also counts.
Cheers!
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I think a lot of people don't realize that terrible reception can account for terrible battery. Often we don't get that feedback when people are whining about battery. Also, lots of the people whining about battery play lots of games, and some of those games that put the gpu through it paces suck up juice faster, but the user is not realistic about that either and expects battery life of a phone that is used lightly.
I voided my warranty.
Yay for undervolting
not "killing" aka "ending" or possibly more familiar "closing" your running apps.. that's like, like if you log into your windows box and you don't have the "X" buttons on the window caption bar.. you just leave everything that you run running until you shutdown..
before you even try to retort, obviously there are exceptions. in windows explorer.exe runs endlessly until you shutdown. on your android device that's the equivalent of your preferred launcher.
what else.. msn? the equivalent of your favorite sms app. facebook and notifications? similar to that browser you keep open with 5 or 6 tabs swiftly consuming your precious processor.
i'm not sure an argument even exists. "task killers" has "killers" in the name which naturally has negative connotations. call it a task manager. windows has a task manager.
other than that nice tips
I am stock everything.. even launcher
3hrs 14min screen on time
~12ish hours off the charger
still says 50% battery. which means 50%-59% on motoblur
pretty darn good eh?
Don't understand the point you were trying to make. Are you saying killers/manager is worthwhile or were you trying make a worthless point about the names?
Anyways task managers are worthless. A good comparison to make are mid/high end laptops and their ram. On a forum I frequent, users were comparing their battery runtime with similar setups. Some were getting extra ~hour or so than others who couldn't figure out why they were getting shafted on battery. Some people don't realize that 4 dimms of ram consume twice the power of 2 dimms of ram no matter the gb of x amount of ram. Thus its better to have 2 dimms of 4gb each than it is 4 dimms of 2gb. The ram consumes power whether you use it or not if it is connected. The 1gb of ram in the atrix consumes the same amount of juice whether its holding 300 mb of data or 800 mb of data. Whether the cpu is computing with something active or not in the ram is what's relevant. Task managers only help when you have a rogue app. Id rather uninstall it then deal with a poorly written app.
I voided my warranty.
aaron.a said:
not "killing" aka "ending" or possibly more familiar "closing" your running apps.. that's like, like if you log into your windows box and you don't have the "X" buttons on the window caption bar.. you just leave everything that you run running until you shutdown..
before you even try to retort, obviously there are exceptions. in windows explorer.exe runs endlessly until you shutdown. on your android device that's the equivalent of your preferred launcher.
what else.. msn? the equivalent of your favorite sms app. facebook and notifications? similar to that browser you keep open with 5 or 6 tabs swiftly consuming your precious processor.
i'm not sure an argument even exists. "task killers" has "killers" in the name which naturally has negative connotations. call it a task manager. windows has a task manager.
other than that nice tips
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Although that may be true for windows computers it its not with Linux which Android is based on. I know that there are virtual machines and all that jazz for the apps but the core system is all Linux and it's even optimized for battery life so when you press the home button yeah that is still running in the background but if you ever need to use that ram it either clears that app from the ram or (based on the app) kills its altogether. And like someone else said ram uses the same amount of power weather it's being used or not.
Also if you're using well written apps then they shouldn't be using any CPU in the background.
If there is some app that's hogging CPU in the background then you need to just uninstall it. Task killers especially auto task killers are actually using a lot of your CPU constantly checking for apps that are using too much ram but Android already does that automatically.
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Linux can manage its own ram without you and for the love of God, stop using task killers they're making everything worse.
i was defending their usefulness in general not so much their effectiveness in battery preservation. probably the wrong thread. if any its minimal.
i'm talking about active task management tho. when i'm done browsing the web and want to fire up pewpew for some old school polygonal destruction i kill the browser entirely. i guess its really based on the type of user you are whether or not benefit is to be had. some people are active while others are standby
Rayan said:
Exactly! When the phone switches back and forth 2G and 3G/4G it drains a lot of power. So it too depends on the zone we are in at the moment and that's one of the reason we see a lot of different results among users. Of course, phone and app/game/internet usage style also counts.
Cheers!
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Sure, it depends on how you use the phone and the strength of the signal you're getting in your area. Would you guys just turn data off in bad signal areas to save battery? How would you handle that?
This is what happened. My battery is doing amazing. I changed the battery mode to Performance during the day and I still have 65% after 12 hours. Not bad. It's about 2.9% an hour. The display was used for a total of 2 hours and 10 minutes.
Battery life posts are useless unless we have some kind of standards during testing.
Like setup your system and then a 15min phone call, 1 hour of video/ ect.. same call.. same video same ect .. ran on each battery setup will give a truer idea on what saves battery the best.
This whole .. it was off charger for 5.33 hours and I used it alot and its at xx% doesn't hardly mean anything.. how much use is alot? How much is little?
Need some kind of same standard test that can be run..
nice to know
Why do custom roms get worse life on the ATRIX? Im new to this phone. (Used to be a HTC only guy)
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Why do custom roms get worse life on the ATRIX? Im new to this phone. (Used to be a HTC only guy)
Sent from my Atrix 4G
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Mostly its not about the ROMs you use, but the Kernel or Baseband (Radio) firmware.
At least for me it's been much better than with the original ROM.
Also you must take into consideration other factors like type of use, voice/data signal quality on your area, and many other factors.
Cheers!
Rayan