is the new booloader is stable enough for boot android directly from bootscreen & sdcard
not from winmo
if yes why not just release it in limited edition so we will test it
and might have better stability and battery performance
i read that NAND don't give lots of performance when its come to IOPS
The problem is that the Android builds require some memory areas to have certain values and those seen set by booting winmob. Spoken on a very basic level.
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I believe he's asking if magldr is ready for just SD boot, I believe they are having the same problems with SD boot as nand. Keep in mind haret needs winmo/wince boot to initialize some of the hardware.
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With magldr, we'll not need haret anymore : its goal is to remplace the bootloader to allow us to start Windows/Android from where we want.
So i really don't think that we have to care about that.
Hope we'll see magldr.nbh before Christmas !
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Hey everyone, I am glad NAND is finally released (for those that have been waiting for it), but I'm wondering if theres anyone (yes I know the pros of having NAND Android) that prefers being able to dual boot? I'm starting to feel that work will halt on the SD/RAM builds. Any reassurance? Thanks guys.
I'd like to keep SD builds as well.
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Naw I think a lot of us non-TMOUS HD2 owners will still use SD builds. Reason being, we just don't have a lot of storage space, which many of us need. Unless Devs perform the ext4 partition thingie onto or sd card, for us to expand storage, storage will still be small for non-TMOUS HD2 NAND users i guess.
Yes, RAM builds are the biggest source of competition for NAND - however, I haven't filled up my storage yet with my apps and still have about 90/100MB left of phone storage.
What about installing apps to SD card???
Signal strength is much better on NAND though for me.
Can you report how many %of the.time without signal with sd and %with nand? I believe you but I didnt test nand roughly because of the memory limitation. But I guess thats gone now
I hope the response will be "No". I use the PSX Emulator (FPSece) on WinMo so I prefer switch on Andoid or on WinMo.
Nand is obviously the next stage of evolution in rom development towards running Android natively on our hd2's.
sd card builds have the great advantage of being swapped easily, especially with multiple sd cards (I have two, one stable daily use which is fully configured and one experimental)
Moreover the risk of bricking your previous device is rather low from sd..
I am not very clear about the difficulty of transferring a build from an sd build to nand and vice versa, but if there could be a migration tutorial, as a sticky we could have both, latest builds in nand and the choice of running them from sd..
Is this technically possible? Which factors could inhibit easy migration?
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I thought originally MAGLDR was supposed to be able to multiboot Android and WinMo (probably a non-sense version of each due to space)?
I hope MADLR can do the following soon:
- Load SD\RAM\NAND Android from custom folders on the fly
- Allow backup\restore of the data store
- Load WMP 6.5 and maybe even 7
I think this will keep the flexibility of multiple build loads alive which will benefit the user and the devs. I know some of this should be coming but it would be nice to get all of our belated Christmas wishes.
not sure but,,
im not sure but the aMAGLDR menu does also have the option to boot from SD-card, i havent tried it yet though..
also one thing i still want is the ability to boot my ubuntu-sd-card build, now i cant use haret.exe im not sure how to go about the dual booting thing ??
much stuff to try out
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ok, just put the contents of an old sd card build directly onto the root of an sd card (ie, without the 'android' folder) booted phone holing power key until magldr menu shows, then select boot AD from SD and it boots just like the old sd card with haret method, -
so far i see it finds zimage and initrd.gz, then i get the boot screen, .... looks like dual booting is still an option even if it may need a bit of tweaking.. i guess its just the startup.txt that needs to be read for it to boot properly ,
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I think in the original NAND release thread, Cotulla explains that a SD build (haret.exe) and a NAND build are very different, to use the SD boot option in MAGLDR, you need to put the content of a NAND build on the SD card, somehow...
edit: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10202441#post10202441
I would like it if they could implement a better DFT installer, which had options such as
• Install to NAND
• Install to SD
• Customise partitions
• Multiboot
Instead of just being able to install to NAND. This way, we can have a single installer / release for both methods (and this would make it easier for chefs )
HectiQ said:
Can you report how many %of the.time without signal with sd and %with nand? I believe you but I didnt test nand roughly because of the memory limitation. But I guess thats gone now
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I think it's impossible to say for how long - but on Darkstone 1.5 RAM, and MDJ's HD4.6 I would find the signal to have disappeared at least once a day up to three times - requiring a reboot of the phone - airplane mode did not seem to work.
After reboot signal would return to full strength in the same exact spot.
Problem is the signal would be lost in a pocket or on my desk and you simply would not notice it until you went to use the device - in fact the first time I realised it was happening was because I was getting far fewer emails/smses and calls and the phone was utterly quiet - very peculiar for the holiday season and party planning.
I haven't as yet downloaded a NAND build although i may well do that this evening, however having downloading many different builds for Android over the last few months i can safely say Dark Stone's SUPERAM blows everything out of the water in terms of speed it really is very fast which IMO is very important.
Ok. Lets say i wanna choose between 4 different operating systems at startup, anyway of doing that?
not at the moment.
if dft manages to start winmo 6.5 from sd it would be possible, but at the moment you have to choose between winmo 6.5 and wp7.
don't know if ubuntu can be run from sd using magldr.
and you need 2 partitions on your sd.
I still haven't read much, but from what I understood, you can boot android and ubuntu on wm6.5 so that's 3x boot. until someone manages to create an SD WP7 build that somehow runs from directly a partitioned SD something more or less like what SD android is now, or making MAGLDR run it while keeping wm6.5 and everything intact.
let's just wait and see what happens, XDA devs never fail to surprise
I have been using a NAND Android ROM since they came out and love it, but I'm curious about Windows 7. My questions are as follows:
Does Windows 7 run off the SD card or NAND?
Can I go back to Android if I don't like it?
Does everything work on 7?
Is there a working Pandora hack?
Thanks for anyone's help on this.
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1) It runs from NAND
2) Yes, simply flash your preferred NAND via MAGLDR
3) Yes, if you get your activation code to use Live services
4) The jailbreak is called "Chevron" and is cooked into most custom ROMs - but not the very first "Leo70".
The nice thing about the HD2 is you can install wp7 on your NAND, and still boot android off your SD... I went from NAND android back to SD android builds so I could also use wp7, and I've noticed almost no difference in performance and battery life between NAND android and SD android. Only thing you miss out in with SD android is that there's no clockwork recovery... but it's easy enough to boot different builds and make backups with SD android.
WP7 is great, but it's still missing some functionality and apps that android has, so having both is perfect. At this point, I would have a very hard time choosing between the 2 OS's if I had to get a different phone. WP7 grows on you very quickly. Can't wait for MS to put out the update that gives multitasking to WP7.
I've been playing around a bit with my HD2, installed ubuntu v0.3 and android (both using haret. the problem is that booting android using haret is really slow... the logical solution would be to put it on my nand. if i would do this, would i lose WM? I really want to keep WM cause you need to boot ubuntu via haret.
Does anyone know a trick/solution?? all help appreciated. Thanx
Hi,
Sorry to say ,you cannot have all three.
Either WM + SD android boot(as you say ,slow),or Android on NAND (fast).
If you choose to go the way of the NAND...I suggest lots of reading,starting with the guide in my sig number 2.
Good luck .
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I've been playing around a bit with my HD2, installed ubuntu v0.3 and android (both using haret. the problem is that booting android using haret is really slow... the logical solution would be to put it on my nand. if i would do this, would i lose WM? I really want to keep WM cause you need to boot ubuntu via haret.
Does anyone know a trick/solution?? all help appreciated. Thanx
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If you put Android on your NAND, yes, you would lose WM.
You can keep your WM and boot into Ubuntu/Android via Haret.
There are some apps/tools that helps you automate the dual-booting.
Like the two other posters before me said, if you want Windows Mobile, then you will need to keep your SD build. Once you go NAND, you will lose Windows Mobile. My experiences as well with SD builds is that they are much slower to load than NAND. Anywhere from an additional 1.5-3 minutes longer than NAND. The fastest loading NAND builds are the Gingerbread ones. They load for me in under 30 seconds. Non-Gingerbread NAND builds seems to load from 1.5-2 minutes. Search the forum for the dual boot up options to speed loading a bit quicker while helping to reduce battery drain. I am currently using a NAND build but when I was using an SD build, I made sure to have my dual boot up setting at 3 seconds to ensure a better battery life while quickening the boot up time.
Try taking a look at these dual-boot apps/tools:
Exceller Multiple Build Loader for Android/Ubuntu
Jmz Android Dual-Boot for HD2
Android/Ubuntu Loader for HD2
Hey,
i already have a htc desire hd, but i'll get a htc hd2 nearly for free from a mate and i have a few questions.
I want to run android on the device, but i have read, that it will just start from the sd-card, and won't get "installed" or what ever on the device itself.
Is that true?
Second; i also have read, that, after you select the .exe from the sdcard and after you have booted up android, and turn off your device again, you won't get a boot option, if you want to run android, or if you want to run windows mobile.
besides, i'm from germany (you may already have recognized at my bad english...) and i have read, that the european version of the hd2 comes with less ram as the us-version. AND i have read, that you can unlock the ram from about 440mb ~ to the us-version's 576mb ram. is that true and how does that work?
i apologize for my bad english, i have given my best :<
regards.
The SD only android is not true. You have only been reading about starting android from SD using haret under winmo. You can wipe winmo completely and instal a nand android rom to the actual phone, and if you like you can have a second, SD android build dual booting from SD, with magldr offering you the choice.
This will be the most flashable phone any of us are likely to see, winmo, android, wp7, Ubuntu
, dual boot winmo/android, android/android, wp7/android(I think), winmo/android/Ubuntu..... there won't be a phone as opened up any time soon.
448 - 576 ram is true and will happen when you flash 2.08.hspl and then an android compatible radio. It can also be done on winmo by flashing a tmous rom and radio.
Go to the hd2 android section and read the nand subsection.
Quick answer for your first question is that you can start android from sd card but also mostly from nand (internal memory) too :] Depends what you want exactly. Us version of hd2 have more internal memory not ram as far as I know EU version got something like 512mb and US has about 1gb, about ram memory ofcourse you can unlock more ram about 576 with new radio (you can install easy). I dont know anything about exe files didnt try it yet as I bought my hd2 two months ago Hope I helped you a bit
So far, i have found this programm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792
which lets me choose between android and windows mobile, after i have booted up windows.
but a), is it possible to get this choice direclty before the device boots up, and b), does this DualBoot only support android and windows mobile, or does it also work with windows 7 mobile and ubtuntu and so one?
regards.
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So far, i have found this programm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792
which lets me choose between android and windows mobile, after i have booted up windows.
but a), is it possible to get this choice direclty before the device boots up, and b), does this DualBoot only support android and windows mobile, or does it also work with windows 7 mobile and ubtuntu and so one?
regards.
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The program you mention is almost 2 years old and created before the Android for HD2 was even developed. You don't have to bother with that program because you will be using magldr. You will get a choice to select an OS from the magldr menu as soon as the phone starts up and before it boots into an OS of your choice. The magldr supports WP7/7.5 and Android SD boot choices for me, as I am sure it does every other combination, just the matter of setting it up to do what you want.