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When opened in landscape view the two hotkeys on the keyboard replace the pivoting external hotkeys that are normally below the screen when closed, but are now to the right of the screen.
The external keys still work but are effectively redundant due to the hotkeys on the keyboard.
Would it be possible when the keyboard is open to use the external hotkeys as a smooth scroll for the screen - as there is little point in using a stylus with the keyboard out - as the sliders are too small for me to use with my fingers?
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
tango3 said:
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
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The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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Aww darn it
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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The screen may not be multiitouch, but the lower panel is fully multi-touch, and can be sued tor anything you fancy...
I don't know who else has noticed this, but the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
brins0 said:
The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
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Are you talking about the actual buttons at the bottom of the phone? Because mine actually press down. Yours must be broken
I can even press them with an apple
i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
thats right
the pad on the bottom actually server 2 purposes. mechanical buttons (5, enter, home, back,pick up, and hang up) and the dialwheel... BUT underneath the buttons there is more.. the complete pad is touchsensitive, altough not utilized by the diamond, for now that is...
its even multitouch.. for now only the dialwheel and the enter buttom use the touchsensitive capabilities..
somewhere on this forum there are a bunch of applications to debug/test youre diamond, i believe this paticular program was called navdebug or something like that..
it would be nice when sombody can utilize this pad in his software...
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i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
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I know there is the touch and the actual button function, but when he said...
brins0 said:
the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
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...it had me confused. The panel clearly has hardware buttons underneath so there must be more than 2 on the entire phone. It also doesn't need to "guess" which button has been pressed.
The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
Ah right, so the 2 hardware buttons makes sense now
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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youre absolutly right...
however when i run the navdebug for the touchpanel, i can surely read the position of my fingers on both sides simutaniously. wich as far as i understand could be explained as multitouch.... correct me if i am wrong..
sadly i dont know how to code my own software, otherwise i would like to investigate further how this works... i geuss it has a grid of proximitysensor whis get read at a specific interval, and i assume, like the navdebug already gives away, that the resolution of the so calles multitouchpanel, will be very low...
i tried it and i just have to correct some of my sayings...
i seems that the matrix is divided into 3 parts wich could be read simutaniously, lets say left, middle and right... it doesnt read multitouch in one matrix... we just got 3 matrixes simutaniously....
never the less we could utilize it for example scrolling....
I am not really sure how multi touch works but I have been using Stylophone program
on my fone and the whole screen is a keyboard. I allows you to play 2 keys of the keyboard
at the same time and two different sounds are always present if u get what I mean.
So m not sure if that cuts in as multi touch....Hmmm
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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This is exaclty what I was trying to say. I really do suck at explaining things sometimes...
The buttons on my device do indeed click down when pressed firmly, but when pressed with a non organic object, the button clicks, but no action is performed, as the device does not know where the button was pressed down.
When I work out how to read the location of these "touches" I think it would be VERY easy to add extra "buttons" to the lower touch section, and even replace the ones which are there already.
here's the link for whom that haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
Hi,
I do not own Touch HD, so I cannot test, but the button area bellow should be touch sensitive. Why did not somebody used it as D-pad? Dragging up/down left/righ as the GScroll (http://www.mobilesrc.com/GScroll.aspx) for Diamond? It is not possible to detect different touch positions on the same button so with only one row of buttons there is no way how to do up/down gestures?
Thanks you for your explanation, Jan
very good idea, i'll check !
edit : doesn't works somebody to code it ?
I've tryed it, not working for me on my HD (black pearl light rom) , but an app like that should be the missing part for HD.
This is a FANTASTIC idea.
Anyone willing to give it a shot and code it?
I don't think this is possible, because those "touch sensitive buttons" aren't capacitive buttons, they are just normal button much more sensitive than usual. You can see it your self by pressing them with the stylus: it works, and it wouldn't if they were capacitive.
for sure the button are not capacitive i did the same test too and few more
i think the "button" are a simple touch screen extra area
look at the attached image of the touch screen replacement part.
i think that all the button area could be remapped as wished..
Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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For me this is not good replacement, on real D-pad I can press and hold, for instance quick rewind/forward on player. You cannot do that with key remapping.
If it is possible to follow gestures, you can move left a hold to simulate D-pad left key hold.
I don't think the buttons are "capacitive" (as on iPhone), but the button area is touch sensitive as the rest of the display - see the image. So it in theory should be possible to use this area to capture stylus or finger touches. I don't think I am the first one with this idea. It seems to be that there are some obstacles.
Hi everyone!
I have an idea, but I have never programmed in windows mobile and I don't know if It's hard to do or not, or if already exist.
The diamond and the touch pro has 2 type of input, the resistive screen and the d-pad (capacitive and multitouch), it's possible use both input together? For example, with the thumb I touch the d-pad and with the forefinger I touch the resistive screen, so when I move the forefinger up or down it's possible to zoom and if I move it right and left I can rotate.
Otherwise a gesture recognition, I touch the dpad with a finger and with another finger I draw a shape on the screen and an application start.
What do you think about this idea?
PS: sorry for my bad english
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536863&highlight=multitouch
hey guys , one question does the kin two got multi touch ? i mean can you press two fingers at one time and both of them register correctly?!
thanks
Depends on what you mean by multi-touch. In certain Applications you can do a multi-touch to do a multi delete by pressing the "X" that pops up..and in the browser you can pinch to zoom in/out
Can Kin Two recognize coordinates of 2 fingers?
Real dulatouch...
Is there another way to do pinch zoom in/out?
Also, you can do this in the Camera App as well (both when taking a picture and viewing it later).
I assume that for the Kin to understand the pinch gesture, it has to recognize two fingers and their coordinates so that it can tell whether they are moving closer together or further apart.
One other example of multi-finger gestures on the Kin is that to configure your home screen apps or your favorites in the browser app, you do a two-finger tap to get into the arrange/delete mode and then two finger tap again when you are done moving & removing items.
Jon
The hardware can handle multiple touchscreen input at the same time. The software is limited though, in how it interprets that input. You can "two finger tap" the home page to rearrange the icons, pinch-zoom on pictures, webpages, etc.
I'm not saying it would ever happen, but IF the device were to have a fully multi-touch aware OS, like Android and its Apps, then it could handle the input properly.