[IDEA]Multitouch with dpad and screen! - Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps

Hi everyone!
I have an idea, but I have never programmed in windows mobile and I don't know if It's hard to do or not, or if already exist.
The diamond and the touch pro has 2 type of input, the resistive screen and the d-pad (capacitive and multitouch), it's possible use both input together? For example, with the thumb I touch the d-pad and with the forefinger I touch the resistive screen, so when I move the forefinger up or down it's possible to zoom and if I move it right and left I can rotate.
Otherwise a gesture recognition, I touch the dpad with a finger and with another finger I draw a shape on the screen and an application start.
What do you think about this idea?
PS: sorry for my bad english

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536863&highlight=multitouch

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which buttons on the shift are useable under windows mobile?

I'm interested in using the shift as an ebook reader on the windows mobile side so which buttons can be used for up and down in windows mobile are of particular interest to me. The mouse left and right click buttons look like a particularly good possibility for this.
Can anyone let me know which buttons can be programed on the shift in windows mobile?
I know the touch screen can be used but if anyone has used a mobile device for ebook reading before the will know a button or scroll wheel is best for turning pages
Cheers, lovespuds
A far as I can tell none of the buttons work on WM side. Only the mode button to switch between WM and vista works on the WM side.
I am using the shift as ebook reader as well. I installed the Mobipocket reader and I am using edge of the screen to turn pages or the keyboard. When I read on the shift I turn screen so it rotated 90 degrees. Then I slide the keyboard out to only expose the first row keys when I want to turn the pages. The 3 arrow keys on the very bottom row of the keyboard work well for this. Even when using just one hand I can hold the device and still the slide the screen open/close and turn page with the same hand. It is not a nice as the joystick on my HTC X7501 but it works well enough.
Hi I am using Microsoft Reader for my Ebooks and do it the same way.
Rotate the screen and slide out the keyboar for the first row.
It would be great if we could get WM to recognise other keys, but that is something for the "The Shift Project" team when they accomplished all the other more urgent things
Meanwhile I am content with using the arrowkeys.
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
I just know that there is an OK button at the Right ALT works fine on WM side.
Press it to close the WM programs.
Besides, on the Left ALT, it is the Sym button, it shows the symbol Pad for you to input symbols on typing.
For reading ebooks, I think the most useful tool for scrolling up & down the page is your finger since the big screen is easy for scrolling by your fingers
THREE MORE BUTTON I FOUND:
PRESS FN + I, O, P can adjust the volume in snapvue!

BIOTouch.exe

What is this process and what does it do? I found it in \Windows and it's size is 91600 bytes (89.4k). It is nowhere as Autorun or a startup service, yet it starts everytime i turn on the phone. I kill it manually.
If i kill the process, nothing bad happends, everything works, and even better, some lag disappears.
Any1 knows what it is??
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401984&page=6.
I would suggest you start from this page, because of the following quote:
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HTC had no reason to include an application it their ROM if it wasn't needed.
The application is used wherever a "cube-like" action is requested.
For example kill biotouch, go to your mail and swing left to get to the next msg..
BOUM, phone freeze, soft reset.
At least this happened to me with a 1.93 ROM
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Killing this process makes the X1 a lot faster on the WM GUI level! No crashes, no freezes, evereything seems to work as normal. So what is it for on the X1?
The only thing I noticed, that PocketBreeze doesn't show the messages on the message tab after killing the process.
on biotouch depend some gestures but you can live without them
Killing biotouch seems to have really given my X1 a kick up the a**! More responsive, task manager shows 5-6% usage now. Nothing seems to be missing either. Eraly days thou, I see how it goes..
When I open and close the screen switches to landscape a whole lot quicker too!
One question on my mind "Whats the catch?"!
Silly question, but how do i see my processes?
Install this task manager on your X1..
Try disabling biotouch.exe
If it gives you an improvement then install this to stop biotouch.exe from starting the next time you restart your X1.. Make sure biotouch.exe has been stopped in the task manager before running this.
It controls finger scrolling through emails etc. and for me I couldn't live without. If you don;t need this then should be fine to kill.
so it only controls scrolling? nothing else?
finger scrolling up/down or left/right (to go to previous/next messages) also?
would killing biotouch make it not work on the screen, but would i still be able to go left/right on the optical pad?
disabled biotouch and still have finger scrolling everywhere, don't have any difference, just less memory consumption an maybe a bit more speed.
I have the normal task manager, but can't see any program running.
Do I have to install the task manager cab from the first page?
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
dogans said:
I have the normal task manager, but can't see any program running.
Do I have to install the task manager cab from the first page?
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Yes. It runs just like Windows Task Manager highlighting programs running in the background and giving you the option to 'Terminate' (End Task) an application.
I notice that if I have a large html email and use "tap to scroll right" option it starts biotouch.exe.
If the fix is installed to stop biotouch then the phone crashes. So either dont scroll right in the emails or I just remember to kill biotouch once im finished.. Although I get a lot of email I personally dont need to use the scroll right function very often..
holdout said:
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
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in this case, biotouch is impt
holdout said:
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
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Didn't know my fingers were that powerful
holdout said:
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
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Make thes sticky somewhere

Gestures on buttons

Hi,
I do not own Touch HD, so I cannot test, but the button area bellow should be touch sensitive. Why did not somebody used it as D-pad? Dragging up/down left/righ as the GScroll (http://www.mobilesrc.com/GScroll.aspx) for Diamond? It is not possible to detect different touch positions on the same button so with only one row of buttons there is no way how to do up/down gestures?
Thanks you for your explanation, Jan
very good idea, i'll check !
edit : doesn't works somebody to code it ?
I've tryed it, not working for me on my HD (black pearl light rom) , but an app like that should be the missing part for HD.
This is a FANTASTIC idea.
Anyone willing to give it a shot and code it?
I don't think this is possible, because those "touch sensitive buttons" aren't capacitive buttons, they are just normal button much more sensitive than usual. You can see it your self by pressing them with the stylus: it works, and it wouldn't if they were capacitive.
for sure the button are not capacitive i did the same test too and few more
i think the "button" are a simple touch screen extra area
look at the attached image of the touch screen replacement part.
i think that all the button area could be remapped as wished..
Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
N'da said:
Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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For me this is not good replacement, on real D-pad I can press and hold, for instance quick rewind/forward on player. You cannot do that with key remapping.
If it is possible to follow gestures, you can move left a hold to simulate D-pad left key hold.
I don't think the buttons are "capacitive" (as on iPhone), but the button area is touch sensitive as the rest of the display - see the image. So it in theory should be possible to use this area to capture stylus or finger touches. I don't think I am the first one with this idea. It seems to be that there are some obstacles.

maybe its stupid but please help touch screen issue

hey guys
I know it might be stupid, but I need an answer
Sometimes on the vista side I use my fingers. SO whenever I touch the fringer with my finger a shape of a mouse appears, which is really annoying to me since I find it difficult to use my vista side with the sape of a mouse under the pointer.
Please help me get rid of this mouse shape, which settings should I adjust so the pointer does not show a mouse everytime I touch the screen
dude no questions stupid
go into control panel
double tap pen and input devices
now tap on the last tab called touch.
bottom section remove tick from touch pointer
that mouse was bloody anoying. prehaps on a bigger screen it may have come in handy......

[Q] Question on multi touch motion mapping to hardware keys

Just wonder to ask if there us any app that could do some mapping from the multi touch motion to the for hardware keys.
Say, two fingers move upward map to home.
Two fingers move left map to back, etc.

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