Hi,
I do not own Touch HD, so I cannot test, but the button area bellow should be touch sensitive. Why did not somebody used it as D-pad? Dragging up/down left/righ as the GScroll (http://www.mobilesrc.com/GScroll.aspx) for Diamond? It is not possible to detect different touch positions on the same button so with only one row of buttons there is no way how to do up/down gestures?
Thanks you for your explanation, Jan
very good idea, i'll check !
edit : doesn't works somebody to code it ?
I've tryed it, not working for me on my HD (black pearl light rom) , but an app like that should be the missing part for HD.
This is a FANTASTIC idea.
Anyone willing to give it a shot and code it?
I don't think this is possible, because those "touch sensitive buttons" aren't capacitive buttons, they are just normal button much more sensitive than usual. You can see it your self by pressing them with the stylus: it works, and it wouldn't if they were capacitive.
for sure the button are not capacitive i did the same test too and few more
i think the "button" are a simple touch screen extra area
look at the attached image of the touch screen replacement part.
i think that all the button area could be remapped as wished..
Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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For me this is not good replacement, on real D-pad I can press and hold, for instance quick rewind/forward on player. You cannot do that with key remapping.
If it is possible to follow gestures, you can move left a hold to simulate D-pad left key hold.
I don't think the buttons are "capacitive" (as on iPhone), but the button area is touch sensitive as the rest of the display - see the image. So it in theory should be possible to use this area to capture stylus or finger touches. I don't think I am the first one with this idea. It seems to be that there are some obstacles.
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Is it possible to change the size of the button of "x-button" because it is inaccessible with the finger? May be we need a bigger bar.
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I don't know a sollution for this, but I map the x-button to a hardware key. That way I don't press the x-button with finger, just press the hardware button. The bad thing is that I don't have enough hardware buttons for all functions that i like to map, but .... There is no 100% happiness
Thanks, it's a good idea but as you said, there are no enough buttons. The best would be not to make a bigger bar but a button broader, i mean increase the size horizontally.
If you use Smartkeys you can assign 2 functions to the softbuttons, hold and it will do something, single tap does another. I use it and if I hold the right softkey it closes/ok
I'll post a solution within 1 week (on that thread) using an app from Vijay to hide the taskbar and a battery status theme replacement for it.. Stay tuned
Here, try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338143&page=49 post 481 You can use it w/FtouchFlo or map it to a hardware button.
Why not replace it with a hardware button?
I made VJOkButt for this. If you can show me a graphic of how you think the X button should look, enlarged, I'll try to make it. However, without proximity sensing in the screen, this seems quite futile. How big would you want the OK button? Wouldn't it obscure the normal screen?
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vijay555 said:
Why not replace it with a hardware button?
I made VJOkButt for this. If you can show me a graphic of how you think the X button should look, enlarged, I'll try to make it. However, without proximity sensing in the screen, this seems quite futile. How big would you want the OK button? Wouldn't it obscure the normal screen?
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I mapped it to ftouchflo up-down, works great.
I am using WKTask, you'll have options for OK/X button to make it bigger, I would say almost 50% bigger
powerwoot said:
I am using WKTask, you'll have options for OK/X button to make it bigger, I would say almost 50% bigger
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Thanks, i'm going to try.
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
tango3 said:
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
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The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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Aww darn it
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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The screen may not be multiitouch, but the lower panel is fully multi-touch, and can be sued tor anything you fancy...
I don't know who else has noticed this, but the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
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The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
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Are you talking about the actual buttons at the bottom of the phone? Because mine actually press down. Yours must be broken
I can even press them with an apple
i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
thats right
the pad on the bottom actually server 2 purposes. mechanical buttons (5, enter, home, back,pick up, and hang up) and the dialwheel... BUT underneath the buttons there is more.. the complete pad is touchsensitive, altough not utilized by the diamond, for now that is...
its even multitouch.. for now only the dialwheel and the enter buttom use the touchsensitive capabilities..
somewhere on this forum there are a bunch of applications to debug/test youre diamond, i believe this paticular program was called navdebug or something like that..
it would be nice when sombody can utilize this pad in his software...
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i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
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I know there is the touch and the actual button function, but when he said...
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the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
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...it had me confused. The panel clearly has hardware buttons underneath so there must be more than 2 on the entire phone. It also doesn't need to "guess" which button has been pressed.
The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
Ah right, so the 2 hardware buttons makes sense now
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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youre absolutly right...
however when i run the navdebug for the touchpanel, i can surely read the position of my fingers on both sides simutaniously. wich as far as i understand could be explained as multitouch.... correct me if i am wrong..
sadly i dont know how to code my own software, otherwise i would like to investigate further how this works... i geuss it has a grid of proximitysensor whis get read at a specific interval, and i assume, like the navdebug already gives away, that the resolution of the so calles multitouchpanel, will be very low...
i tried it and i just have to correct some of my sayings...
i seems that the matrix is divided into 3 parts wich could be read simutaniously, lets say left, middle and right... it doesnt read multitouch in one matrix... we just got 3 matrixes simutaniously....
never the less we could utilize it for example scrolling....
I am not really sure how multi touch works but I have been using Stylophone program
on my fone and the whole screen is a keyboard. I allows you to play 2 keys of the keyboard
at the same time and two different sounds are always present if u get what I mean.
So m not sure if that cuts in as multi touch....Hmmm
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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This is exaclty what I was trying to say. I really do suck at explaining things sometimes...
The buttons on my device do indeed click down when pressed firmly, but when pressed with a non organic object, the button clicks, but no action is performed, as the device does not know where the button was pressed down.
When I work out how to read the location of these "touches" I think it would be VERY easy to add extra "buttons" to the lower touch section, and even replace the ones which are there already.
here's the link for whom that haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
Hello,
I don't like this Home button on the Touch HD. I can get back to the today screen with the normal End Call button.
I am missing a startmenu button which I got used to over the last years. And the startmenu on this display is so far away from my thumb, that it makes one handed usage difficult.
Is there an easy way to reassign the Home buttion to the startmenu? The default Settings-->Buttons dialog offers only one long press customization. Can I enable the other buttons to get changed there?
Use aebuttons or mobilemagic, search a little for
A tool to change the buttons is AEButton Plus.
But the home key cannot be changed so far.
I concur with AE Button plus not being able to assign/reassign the home button
This is bad.
So we have to wait for a solution. I hope someone works on this.
The end call button and the home button are redundant.
Why have 2 buttons that primarily do the same thing? I know that the home button takes you to the main screen during a call where as pressing the end call will end it. But you could easily press the on-screen end call button, thus freeing up the home button to something more useful or customisable.
I guess HTC need to keep thier devices "conventional" looking to avoid scaring off potential pda newcomers!
Essentially, I'd like to get even more buttons. With the capacitive screen, we have the 4 hardware buttons for Home, Green & Red and the hybrid back/ok button. There's the 4 directional 'hidden' buttons and of course, the center select buttons.
When you count the scroll/zoom surface, that's 9.
THEN, add in butler and you get 4 more via swipe actions.
I'd like to see a double tap application - or possible extension to butler?
So if you double tap the Home, send, end or back buttons (not press - TAP) you can assign a link or application to them.
Also, is the center button also capacitive? put your finger on it and lights for the other buttons will come on... If so, can we turn it into a 'mouseball' of sorts?
Anyone else see a use for something like this?
GScroll has that.
You can assign programs to launch when you double tap one of the four button locations.
And it can emulate cursor keys left/right/up/down by swiping part of the capacitive area.
And it has a task switcher that activates on a certain capacitive-motion but I can't figure it out how to make it work ok .
The app is 5 bucks from Mobihand, and get the latest beta from their own forum.
Flippin sweet! Thanks!
Anyone know if the center button is capacitive?
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Flippin sweet! Thanks!
Anyone know if the center button is capacitive?
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yes it is..
OK, so is there any app that uses the center button like a sort of 'rollerball' type input? It could even work like the 'nubs' on the old Toshiba, IBM & Lenovo laptops
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OK, so is there any app that uses the center button like a sort of 'rollerball' type input? It could even work like the 'nubs' on the old Toshiba, IBM & Lenovo laptops
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I haven't seen an APP for that, but the last beta of GScroll has a mouse pointer activated by the center button and is controlled by touching anywhere on any of the capacitive pads. I don't use is much though. Otherwise it' a great idea, just not sure it would work that well. Who knows?
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OK, so is there any app that uses the center button like a sort of 'rollerball' type input? It could even work like the 'nubs' on the old Toshiba, IBM & Lenovo laptops
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Aw the days of the good ol' Think Pad clitoris, haha.
I don't know why Samsung made the onscreen home button working even if you don't press it and just touch it. So is it possible to "disable" the home-button when I just touch it and make it only work if I press it hard so it gives the force feedback?
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I don't know why Samsung made the onscreen home button working even if you don't press it and just touch it. So is it possible to "disable" the home-button when I just touch it and make it only work if I press it hard so it gives the force feedback?
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You can increase the sensativity of the hard press so it always acts as a press so you know
Go to settings - display - nav buttons and move the slider to more sensative
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You can increase the sensativity of the hard press so it always acts as a press so you know
Go to settings - display - nav buttons and move the slider to more sensative
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That's only for a hard press, so when locked, or in full screen for example. I don't think we can disable soft presses generally yet.
ElBeaner: Thanks for your help but thats not what I wanted.
I thought that there is no normal touch on the home button when all the reports came about the new force touch button. I was expecting that Samsung replaced the old button with the force feedback one. But they just added normal on screen buttons like they are on 100s of other android phones. And I really don't see no need for the force feedback button because all it does you can also do with touching the button and not pressing it.
It would be great if Samsung changes the behaviour so that only a real press on the home button is working and not the touch.
Wait so you want the on screen button to only work when its pressed hard? :silly:
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Wait so you want the on screen button to only work when its pressed hard? :silly:
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Yes, I would actually prefer it if that was an option.
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Yes, I would actually prefer it if that was an option.
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And what phones have soft buttons that only work as hard buttons? Zero, stick to phones with physical buttons instead rather than hoping for an imaginary feature.
Actually I like the idea of pressure on the button as an option. We know it could be done if programmed right as the ability is right there, pressure sensitivity is built in under the screen.
This would be such a great idea. One of the reasons I hate onscreen buttons so much is that it's so easy to accidentally miss the space bar and tap the home button instead.
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Wait so you want the on screen button to only work when its pressed hard? :silly:
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Silly indeed
I'd actually prefer this too. It's weird that their whole promotion was around a pressure sensitive home button, but the way they set it up, it literally has no purpose.
Moostafa29 said:
I'd actually prefer this too. It's weird that their whole promotion was around a pressure sensitive home button, but the way they set it up, it literally has no purpose.
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You can press it to wake the phone up, you can press it to go home if you're watching a full screen movie or playing a game and the onscreen buttons aren't shown... ya i guess it's useless.
Interesting topic. So why has Samsung included a hard press home button? It doesn't​ do anything.
i would also prefer this , im in the same boat , useing messages app , and having the floating buttons show up is anoying
I'm pretty sure this is how the iPhone 7 home button works. It is not a physical button but a pressure sensitive area where the button used to be. Different actions for different amounts of pressure.
It would be great to have the whole display everytime and if you need the back button and the task manager button you could swipe them up (like on fullscreen apps) and you have always the sensitive home button. That would be 1cm more screen and no accidental clicks on the home button.
I guess that it has a reason why Samsung built a button but doesn't use it for real. And I found one possible reason: If you touch the display above the button and slide your finger to the center of the button you can't press it. You have to hit the button directly to press it.
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i would also prefer this , im in the same boat , useing messages app , and having the floating buttons show up is anoying
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Its been like this since forever on any nexus/pixel devices, get used to it.
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And what phones have soft buttons that only work as hard buttons? Zero, stick to phones with physical buttons instead rather than hoping for an imaginary feature.
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I agree with the original poster. With the soft touch intact, what is the purpose of the hard press? You can't get to a hard touch without a soft touch so it is pointless, also, I use immersive mode so if I swipe up the nav bar, invariably it's from the centre so I accidentally trigger the home key.
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I agree with the original poster. With the soft touch intact, what is the purpose of the hard press? You can't get to a hard touch without a soft touch so it is pointless, also, I use immersive mode so if I swipe up the nav bar, invariably it's from the centre so I accidentally trigger the home key.
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Hard press (3D touch) is to make you always able to go home even when navbar is not present,
As for the rest of situation, soft press is more than enough to serve the function
So I dont really think enable only the hard press is actually a good idea.
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Hard press (3D touch) is to make you always able to go home even when navbar is not present,
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Thank you... why can't people understand this?