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US Touch Dual on Best Buy website

Just saw the Touch Dual available for preorder on the Best Buy website. Would it work on just rolled out 3G T-Mobile network or ATT is the only option? I live in New York area...

tarrytownfads said:
Just saw the Touch Dual available for preorder on the Best Buy website. Would it work on just rolled out 3G T-Mobile network or ATT is the only option? I live in New York area...
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Unless they've done something drastic, unlock and you're ready to rock'n'roll.

Wasn't the Touch Dual in America supposed to be carrier free?
If so, both T-mobile and AT&T should work.

It is going to be sold unlocked... But the T-Mo US uses different bands for their 3G then the ATT. Does anyone know if the US Touch Dual will work with T-Mo 3G data network?

tarrytownfads said:
It is going to be sold unlocked... But the T-Mo US uses different bands for their 3G then the ATT. Does anyone know if the US Touch Dual will work with T-Mo 3G data network?
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It won't work with t-mo 3G. It is quad band gsm tho and unlocked.

Wrong pic on sale site?
tarrytownfads said:
Just saw the Touch Dual available for preorder on the Best Buy website. Would it work on just rolled out 3G T-Mobile network or ATT is the only option? I live in New York area...
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Odd that the picture shown has the 16-key keyboard, not the 20-key. Everything I've read says only the 20-key is coming to America - isn't that right?

Actually, some Best Buy pictures show 16 key and some show 20 key.
I wrote HTC to ask and they said there is no Touch Dual for the USA (helpful).

just got back from local best buy and picked it up and it is the qwerty 20 key

I called a few local Best Buys here in Los Angeles, but they all say its not in?
I have to say I dont know if I belive them or not... Anyone in SoCal had any luck?

Just picked up the touch dual from my BB. However, will this work with a mac?

this is so annoying. Once again, Chicago metro area - none on hand, non in distribution. What's the point of these announcements anyhow if they can't be fulfilled - may as well be "Diamond available at Best Buy now" for the effectiveness it has.
Riddle me this - is the old touch that has been available gray market up til now the same unit? If it is - and since I'll be ripping my rom apart anyhow -- I may go back to my fave gray marketers.
Hyper: not without jumping through hoops. As a mac guy by choice, and PC guy by work - it's too much grief. Look for third party software if it's your only choice, or install activesync in your fave windows emulator.

wig said:
Hyper: not without jumping through hoops. As a mac guy by choice, and PC guy by work - it's too much grief. Look for third party software if it's your only choice, or install activesync in your fave windows emulator.
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Didnt want to partition my mac so its running only mac OS. I have a PC so I guess I can use that too, didnt really want to though.
FWIW- Im seeing a "3G" symbol in the corner YAYYYYY.

wig said:
Riddle me this - is the old touch that has been available gray market up til now the same unit? If it is - and since I'll be ripping my rom apart anyhow -- I may go back to my fave gray marketers.
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Nope, it's not the same. The on that's been available for a while is tri-band, this one is quad-band with US 3G. Picked one up in local BB today, seems to be working just great and 3G is very snappy. Still no WiFi or GPS though:-(

Dump Rom
Cold one of you guys dump a ROm from your US version? Do they come with wm6 or wm6.1
Thanks

6.1 just dont know if this is a keeper, prob not

Anyone know how to get a gmail account working on a windows device? (So far setting up a windows device is a PITA, debating why Im switching from my Curve right now).

Hyper - start a new thread please. Let's keep this a BB thread.
Please post where you got yours everyone.

wig said:
Hyper - start a new thread please. Let's keep this a BB thread.
Please post where you got yours everyone.
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Sorry. I got everything working anyway. Only thing I dont like about the phone so far is that it washes out in the sun. Impossible to see the screen today.

Is anyone using it on US T-Mo?

I am also interested in a ROM dump of the US Touch Dual
Best Buy website for me says Pre order only. I didnt realized it released yet.
seth2006 said:
Cold one of you guys dump a ROm from your US version? Do they come with wm6 or wm6.1
Thanks
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I dont know if anybody is already porting this rom to work with other Touch Dual devices but I am interested in a clean Rom dump too. If not lets start a thread to porting this Rom to other Dual devices or atleast why it will or wont work.
Thanks-
Jcostanza4

HTC Hero GSM Owners : Questions!

So I've got an open T-Mobile (USA) account and I'm looking for a GSM device to fall in love with. The form factor and design of the original Hero has caught my eye for several months and I'm almost definitely sold on buying the phone.
A few questions I couldnt find solid answers to in the forums:
1. Will an factory unlocked (Non carrier branded, direct from HTC) Hero operate properly (and in 3G) on the American networK? What features will I not be able to use?
2. Purchasing the device unlocked - do I still have access to the Android market and purchasing abilities with my Gmail account?
3. Multitouch in the browser and albums - does it work as smooth as iPhone or Palm Pre?
4. I've heard the device is to go fully Multitouch with the 2.0 update - where do I get this update from and does it apply to unlocked devices?
5. Do you own one in the US and use it currently on a US GSM carrier? (Tmobile, AT&T).. how well does it work?
Please be sure to answer all the questions - I left my HTC devices (Touch Pro, Mogul, Wizard, etc) behind for a Palm Pre and I've never been happier (EVER!! ) but I want an Android phone to play around with.

These are the questions I can answer.
eightyf0ur said:
1. Will an factory unlocked (Non carrier branded, direct from HTC) Hero operate properly (and in 3G) on the American networK? What features will I not be able to use?
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You would have to get a European HTC Hero, not the Canadian HTC Hero to have full 3G on T-Mobile, due to T-Mobile use 1700MHz & 2100MHz & that's what the European Hero supports.
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2. Purchasing the device unlocked - do I still have access to the Android market and purchasing abilities with my Gmail account?
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Even if it doesn't, you can root the Hero & push all the necessary files to get all those functions.
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3. Multitouch in the browser and albums - does it work as smooth as iPhone or Palm Pre?
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Multitouch in the Stock HTC Hero browser is pretty good but not as good as the iPhone, but still good. Haven't played with the Pre browser so I don't have a opinion on it.

gu1dry said:
These are the questions I can answer.
You would have to get a European HTC Hero, not the Canadian HTC Hero to have full 3G on T-Mobile, due to T-Mobile use 1700MHz & 2100MHz & that's what the European Hero supports.
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No, I don't think that is correct. The European HTC Hero uses the 2100/1900 3G band where as T-Mobile in the Use 2100/1700. I can confirm that my HTC Hero (European, unlocked) never got 3G when I roamed onto T-Mobile U.S.A

4. From HTC in March or from these forums now.

clobber said:
No, I don't think that is correct. The European HTC Hero uses the 2100/1900 3G band where as T-Mobile in the Use 2100/1700. I can confirm that my HTC Hero (European, unlocked) never got 3G when I roamed onto T-Mobile U.S.A
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I stand corrected. Read some incorrect info & doublechecked on HTC's site & the European Hero doesn't support 1700MHz, so ya no 3G on T-Mobile.

clobber said:
No, I don't think that is correct. The European HTC Hero uses the 2100/1900 3G band where as T-Mobile in the Use 2100/1700. I can confirm that my HTC Hero (European, unlocked) never got 3G when I roamed onto T-Mobile U.S.A
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Thats horrible - I'm going to check out YouTube videos to be sure. If it doesnt Im going to be sorely disappointed! I really love this phone and having the Sprint device has made me want the European version that much more (the form factor of the European HERO is goregous compared to the way they butchered it on Sprint).

Yes because no one lies on YouTube
It's in b&w on HTC's site that the European Hero only supports 2100MHz 3G & T-mobile requires 2100 MHZ AND 1700MHz for 3G. The Canadian Hero doesn't support neither 2100MHz or 1700MHz.

gu1dry said:
Yes because no one lies on YouTube
It's in b&w on HTC's site that the European Hero only supports 2100MHz 3G & T-mobile requires 2100 MHZ AND 1700MHz for 3G. The Canadian Hero doesn't support neither 2100MHz or 1700MHz.
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Thanks for the nasty reply. I appreciate that.
One of those millions of YouTube reviews had mentioned something about the Hero supporting 3G when plopped onto a specific network. Guess I wasnt paying close enough attention. I suppose I'll be purchasing a G1 and figuring out how to install the stock rom of the HERO (or at least those fancy widgets) without turning it into a brick.

What nasty reply? Why would believe so random person, when the the manufacture of the hardware states it does support the specific radio needed for your needs. It does support 3G on specific networks, which T-Mobile is not one of them.

eightyf0ur said:
1. Will an factory unlocked (Non carrier branded, direct from HTC) Hero operate properly (and in 3G) on the American networK? What features will I not be able to use?
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Nope. No 3G..
eightyf0ur said:
2. Purchasing the device unlocked - do I still have access to the Android market and purchasing abilities with my Gmail account?
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Of course!
eightyf0ur said:
3. Multitouch in the browser and albums - does it work as smooth as iPhone or Palm Pre?
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If you buy a European version, yes.
eightyf0ur said:
4. I've heard the device is to go fully Multitouch with the 2.0 update - where do I get this update from and does it apply to unlocked devices?
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http://www.htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=283&act=sd&cat=all
You apply it like any other HTC update, with double clicking a exe file..
eightyf0ur said:
5. Do you own one in the US and use it currently on a US GSM carrier? (Tmobile, AT&T).. how well does it work?
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Don't know.

This is EXACTLY what I wanted! Thanks!
TheDeadCpu... if I buy a G1 what do you suggest is the best way to get the Hero rom running on it? I'm VERY new to Android development and hacking...
TheDeadCpu said:
Nope. No 3G..
Of course!
If you buy a European version, yes.
http://www.htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=283&act=sd&cat=all
You apply it like any other HTC update, with double clicking a exe file..
Don't know.
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Don't know much about the available ROMs for the G1, but head over to the G1 Android Development forum and look for a ROM with SenseUI
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448
And find a ROM and READ the full thread

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Don't know much about the available ROMs for the G1, but head over to the G1 Android Development forum and look for a ROM with SenseUI
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448
And find a ROM and READ the full thread
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Here we go with another 3 months of reading to find a simple answer. *jumps in*

Hero? - piece of rubbish.
Don't bother buying a Hero:
1) Battery life is rubbish
2) Lag on touchscreen is unacceptable
3) Regularly drops calls
4) Official rom updates delivered according to the Tectonic Plate movement calendar, i.e once every thousand years
5) On screen keyboard is rubbish (go on- just try typing a whole email on it aaaaargh!)
6) Lots of good apps but the rest of the phone is just not up to it yet.
7) Often does not send dtmf tones
8) Apps regularly crash
In short, mine is going on ebay for some other sucker to have to endure it.

can my htc hd2 be converted/used on Virgin ?

hi guys,
I have been thinking about going over to Virgin, which i believe uses sprint networks, which i believe is CDMA.., can i get my htc hd2 from tmobile to work on their network ?
thanks,
kevin rea
palmdale, calif.

No. GSM and CDMA are 2 completely different technologies. GSM uses SIM cards of course, while CDMA uses ESN numbers to identify the phone to the network. Sorry, but no. Unlocked the HD2 can be used worldwide on any network that is GSM and uses SIM cards however.

The Hd2 is a gsm phone. It will not work with CDMA providers.

so....
if i switch to virgin mobile and one of their phones.. does someone here want to buy my htc hd2 ?
kevin
[email protected]

ksrea said:
if i switch to virgin mobile and one of their phones.. does someone here want to buy my htc hd2 ?
kevin
[email protected]
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It's possible, but you should probably use another part of the forum for that. I'm willing to bet that there is a "for sale / to buy" fork over on the General Forums.
But you will more than likely get better results on Craigslist. The average "newish" HD2 is going for $250, though I saw a "new-in-the-box" on there yesterday for $300.
Hope this helps

yeah I just bought my HD2 on craigslist for $200,(90% new) but you gotta price it appropriate, cause there are SO many HD2 for sale out there now. Dont get me wrong they are still agreat great phone, but tons of people bought them a few months back when T-Mobile had those crazry free phone promos goins, and 75% of those foolios are now already reselling them, but yeah $250-300 is fair price for HD2 in good condition

HmM
I have the chance to pick up a HTC HD2 (tmobile) for a great price. I know tmobile is GSM and VM is CDMA. I currently use a VM Intercept.. After reading the specs for the HD2 It says GSM/CDMA... How come it says both? does this mean the phone IS capable of flashing for VM CDMA use?

TMO HD2 vs HTC HD2; which one runs android better

I am planning to buy a HD2 just to run android on it. I have the option to buy TMob HD2 (bigger RAM and ROM) and the HTC HD2 (smaller RAM and ROM).
Am sure that almost all the Android ROMs work on both phones. I just want to know, which of these runs android better?
I really like Desire HD but its currently very expensive here (~US$ 710) and I don't want to spend that much. whereas HD2 (both Tmob and HTC) is available for ~US$ 435. So am thinking of buying HD2.

hsnmz said:
I am planning to buy a HD2 just to run android on it. I have the option to buy TMob HD2 (bigger RAM and ROM) and the HTC HD2 (smaller RAM and ROM).
Am sure that almost all the Android ROMs work on both phones. I just want to know, which of these runs android better?
I really like Desire HD but its currently very expensive here (~US$ 710) and I don't want to spend that much. whereas HD2 (both Tmob and HTC) is available for ~US$ 435. So am thinking of buying HD2.
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If you're from the US, you should get a TMO HD2 for sure, they're the only ones you'll have 3G possibilities with, and you have more internal memory. EDIT: That's assuming you have TMO as provider. If you don't, you won't get 3G on your TMO phone.
If you live outside the US, you'll need an HTC (well, they're both HTC of course) if you want 3G, but you can still use a TMO for everything but 3G if you really like to have that 512mb extra internal memory (not the best choice if you ask me).
If you're Australian, I'm not really sure what you should do because I think they have an even different version.

StephanV said:
If you're from the US, you should get a TMO HD2 for sure, they're the only ones you'll have 3G possibilities with, and you have more internal memory. EDIT: That's assuming you have TMO as provider. If you don't, you won't get 3G on your TMO phone.
If you live outside the US, you'll need an HTC (well, they're both HTC of course) if you want 3G, but you can still use a TMO for everything but 3G if you really like to have that 512mb extra internal memory (not the best choice if you ask me).
If you're Australian, I'm not really sure what you should do because I think they have an even different version.
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not sure where ur from , if your from ASIA T mob is the deal coz u get 3G!!, well u can actualy gte one on XDA for as low as 250$

If you are in the US and have ATT, get the Telstra/Australia version as it has support for ATT's 850mhz 3g band I think. Just depends on where you're located and what carrier you have. I would go with the version that I could receive 3g service on.

Get TMOUS HD2

I don't know what you guys are thinkin but all hd2's are tmobile in america. so if your from another country than this question is legit but if your in america all hd2's are htc and tmobile branded.

sherlockpwnz said:
I don't know what you guys are thinkin but all hd2's are tmobile in america. so if your from another country than this question is legit but if your in america all hd2's are htc and tmobile branded.
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Yeah, but you can still order one from Australia, which will allow you to get 3g with at&t in USA.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

thanks for the suggestions guys. I am from Pakistan and there is no 3G here. my only concern is the performance of both variants. with more RAM and ROM, does TMO HD2 perform better as compared to the HTC HD2 while using android?

For Australian HD2 be aware the "Next G" version is model 9193 ( 850 - 2100mhz), you can still get the 8585 model that has different frequencies that are 900Mhz - 2100mhz. This is not great for Australia as there is the Next G network from Telstra (works well everywhere with minimum 3G but H in metro) and the 3G network (3G in metro areas and normal edge network elsewhere).
You need to check which model you are getting as there has been an influx of 8585 models available on ebay.

I'm in the US and had the Euro version of the HD2 several months before getting my TMUS phone. I tried every Winmo ROM available on both, finding no discernable difference in performance. I can't address any potential performance differences in Android however as I sold my Euro phone prior to Android builds being introduced.

hsnmz said:
thanks for the suggestions guys. I am from Pakistan and there is no 3G here. my only concern is the performance of both variants. with more RAM and ROM, does TMO HD2 perform better as compared to the HTC HD2 while using android?
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There will be no difference when running android. Only difference between phones is 3g radio and rom size. Rom size will give more storage space once android can be installed on rom, but there will be no difference in performance.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

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There will be no difference when running android. Only difference between phones is 3g radio and rom size. Rom size will give more storage space once android can be installed on rom, but there will be no difference in performance.
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thnks for the info. now I will get the one I find cheaper.

Help me decide in respect to HD2

Hi all, we are at a very exciting moment for the history of this excellent smartphone.
I own a HD2 European version (originally from Spanish Vodafone), and I was wondering if you think it is worth selling it and buying the T-Mous 1Gb ROM version instead.
I come to you, asking if I would have any problems (incompatibility issues) by using the US HD2 in Belgium or any other European country.
Is the additional 512mb ROM worth changing? I found out that I could probably buy the US version for the same price I would sell the European one.
As I am not sure about any potential problems that the US HD2 might have, that is why I request your input.
Thank you all in advance for all your help.

are u out of your mind
you want to change your hd2 with another damn hd2
and you are asking whether is it worth doing it or not
if u want to change your hd2 then go and buy another cool phone
like hd7 or nexus s or anything but hd2
are you really enjoing winmo 6.5 on hd2
or buggy android builds

m2shakiba said:
are u out of your mind
you want to change your hd2 with another damn hd2
and you are asking whether is it worth doing it or not
if u want to change your hd2 then go and buy another cool phone
like hd7 or nexus s or anything but hd2
are you really enjoing winmo 6.5 on hd2
or buggy android builds
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Android builds work great on the HD2... and now we can run wp7 flawlessly. Soon we'll figure out a way to have both on our phones.
OP... since android builds most work now with apps2sd, having the extra 512mb rom isn't all that necessary. I would keep whatever HD2 gives you 3g reception in your area.

m2shakiba said:
are u out of your mind
you want to change your hd2 with another damn hd2
and you are asking whether is it worth doing it or not
if u want to change your hd2 then go and buy another cool phone
like hd7 or nexus s or anything but hd2
are you really enjoing winmo 6.5 on hd2
or buggy android builds
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I think you did not understand what I was asking. I have an European version HD2, this means that I only have 512 Mb ROM instead of the 1Gb ROM that comes with the T-Mous one.
As said by zarathustrax, there is a possibility of running both WP7 and Android from NAND, but for that you need space and 512Mb won't cut it.
As for the 3g, is it true that the US version is not compatible with the European network?

Johev said:
I think you did not understand what I was asking. I have an European version HD2, this means that I only have 512 Mb ROM instead of the 1Gb ROM that comes with the T-Mous one.
As said by zarathustrax, there is a possibility of running both WP7 and Android from NAND, but for that you need space and 512Mb won't cut it.
As for the 3g, is it true that the US version is not compatible with the European network?
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You can still use it as a phone and get 2g speeds on data, but for 3g the tmobile US HD2 only uses 1700/2100 for 3g... I don't think any carriers in europe use those band for 3g. Thats why US users can't take a european HD2 and get 3g in US. Phones are quadband for gsm, but for 3g, they only have 2 bands each model... that's why there's 3 different models of HD2s for different parts of the world.
Also, if you do get the t-mobile US version, you would have to sim-unlock it also to use on a different carrier.

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You can still use it as a phone and get 2g speeds on data, but for 3g the tmobile US HD2 only uses 1700/2100 for 3g... I don't think any carriers in europe use those band for 3g. Thats why US users can't take a european HD2 and get 3g in US. Phones are quadband for gsm, but for 3g, they only have 2 bands each model... that's why there's 3 different models of HD2s for different parts of the world.
Also, if you do get the t-mobile US version, you would have to sim-unlock it also to use on a different carrier.
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Thanks for the information, I have tanked you for this comment. I will keep my HD2 and find a way to partition the SD card in order to solve the problem and use both OS without needing to boot into one and run the other.
Regards.