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US Touch Dual on Best Buy website

Just saw the Touch Dual available for preorder on the Best Buy website. Would it work on just rolled out 3G T-Mobile network or ATT is the only option? I live in New York area...

tarrytownfads said:
Just saw the Touch Dual available for preorder on the Best Buy website. Would it work on just rolled out 3G T-Mobile network or ATT is the only option? I live in New York area...
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Unless they've done something drastic, unlock and you're ready to rock'n'roll.

Wasn't the Touch Dual in America supposed to be carrier free?
If so, both T-mobile and AT&T should work.

It is going to be sold unlocked... But the T-Mo US uses different bands for their 3G then the ATT. Does anyone know if the US Touch Dual will work with T-Mo 3G data network?

tarrytownfads said:
It is going to be sold unlocked... But the T-Mo US uses different bands for their 3G then the ATT. Does anyone know if the US Touch Dual will work with T-Mo 3G data network?
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It won't work with t-mo 3G. It is quad band gsm tho and unlocked.

Wrong pic on sale site?
tarrytownfads said:
Just saw the Touch Dual available for preorder on the Best Buy website. Would it work on just rolled out 3G T-Mobile network or ATT is the only option? I live in New York area...
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Odd that the picture shown has the 16-key keyboard, not the 20-key. Everything I've read says only the 20-key is coming to America - isn't that right?

Actually, some Best Buy pictures show 16 key and some show 20 key.
I wrote HTC to ask and they said there is no Touch Dual for the USA (helpful).

just got back from local best buy and picked it up and it is the qwerty 20 key

I called a few local Best Buys here in Los Angeles, but they all say its not in?
I have to say I dont know if I belive them or not... Anyone in SoCal had any luck?

Just picked up the touch dual from my BB. However, will this work with a mac?

this is so annoying. Once again, Chicago metro area - none on hand, non in distribution. What's the point of these announcements anyhow if they can't be fulfilled - may as well be "Diamond available at Best Buy now" for the effectiveness it has.
Riddle me this - is the old touch that has been available gray market up til now the same unit? If it is - and since I'll be ripping my rom apart anyhow -- I may go back to my fave gray marketers.
Hyper: not without jumping through hoops. As a mac guy by choice, and PC guy by work - it's too much grief. Look for third party software if it's your only choice, or install activesync in your fave windows emulator.

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Hyper: not without jumping through hoops. As a mac guy by choice, and PC guy by work - it's too much grief. Look for third party software if it's your only choice, or install activesync in your fave windows emulator.
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Didnt want to partition my mac so its running only mac OS. I have a PC so I guess I can use that too, didnt really want to though.
FWIW- Im seeing a "3G" symbol in the corner YAYYYYY.

wig said:
Riddle me this - is the old touch that has been available gray market up til now the same unit? If it is - and since I'll be ripping my rom apart anyhow -- I may go back to my fave gray marketers.
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Nope, it's not the same. The on that's been available for a while is tri-band, this one is quad-band with US 3G. Picked one up in local BB today, seems to be working just great and 3G is very snappy. Still no WiFi or GPS though:-(

Dump Rom
Cold one of you guys dump a ROm from your US version? Do they come with wm6 or wm6.1
Thanks

6.1 just dont know if this is a keeper, prob not

Anyone know how to get a gmail account working on a windows device? (So far setting up a windows device is a PITA, debating why Im switching from my Curve right now).

Hyper - start a new thread please. Let's keep this a BB thread.
Please post where you got yours everyone.

wig said:
Hyper - start a new thread please. Let's keep this a BB thread.
Please post where you got yours everyone.
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Sorry. I got everything working anyway. Only thing I dont like about the phone so far is that it washes out in the sun. Impossible to see the screen today.

Is anyone using it on US T-Mo?

I am also interested in a ROM dump of the US Touch Dual
Best Buy website for me says Pre order only. I didnt realized it released yet.
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Cold one of you guys dump a ROm from your US version? Do they come with wm6 or wm6.1
Thanks
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I dont know if anybody is already porting this rom to work with other Touch Dual devices but I am interested in a clean Rom dump too. If not lets start a thread to porting this Rom to other Dual devices or atleast why it will or wont work.
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Jcostanza4

rogers magic

First post from my new Rogers magic. Thought I would start a thread for Rogers users to discuss it. So far I'm loving the form factor compared to the g1!
Haven't rooted yet...

Thanks for the report. Could you confirm which umts band it has? Do you think if it will compatible with ATT and TMO-US's networks? Thanks.

lovebeta said:
Thanks for the report. Could you confirm which umts band it has? Do you think if it will compatible with ATT and TMO-US's networks? Thanks.
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Here you go: GSM/GPRS/EDGE Bands: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS Dual-Band: 850/1900 MHz
Best choice I think would be ATT for the 850 band (I think ATT is on 850?) It will work on Tmobile, but I'm not sure you would have 3G. Obviously being from Canada I'm not as familiar with their spectrums, but I'm sure someone else can confirm.

Same form factor as my HTC Ion.
It will have AT&T 3G since Rogers uses the same bands (850 and 1900).
T-Mobile customers have to wait until the Magic to be launched here in the States.

froesei said:
First post from my new Rogers magic. Thought I would start a thread for Rogers users to discuss it. So far I'm loving the form factor compared to the g1!
Haven't rooted yet...
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Sweet. Just ordered mine on-line, a little disappointing they only had the Black Magic to choose from.
Congrats!

So is there a website for people living in the U.S. to order a Rogers Magic, or is the Rogers branded Magic only available in Canada?

redrazr7791 said:
So is there a website for people living in the U.S. to order a Rogers Magic, or is the Rogers branded Magic only available in Canada?
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Only available in Canada but you could probably find them on eBay or howardforums B/S/T.

Ok, so if you find a retailer that has the Roger's Magic, would it be unlocked or specifically branded to Rogers, to where you would have to get an unlock code?

redrazr7791 said:
Ok, so if you find a retailer that has the Roger's Magic, would it be unlocked or specifically branded to Rogers, to where you would have to get an unlock code?
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I THINK, but don't quote me on this, that if you root the device you should be able to use it on other networks that use the same frequencies. I'm happy to be corrected if that's not the case...

Dang, so I take it...it comes locked specifically for Rogers only? The last thing I want to do is root my $600 phone and probably...knowing my luck...f*ck it up LOL

redrazr7791 said:
Dang, so I take it...it comes locked specifically for Rogers only? The last thing I want to do is root my $600 phone and probably...knowing my luck...f*ck it up LOL
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Just wait... THere will be enterprising ppl to figure out how to unlock it.

Yea I found two websites that sell the unlocked Vodafone version, IMPORTGSM.com and Timtechs.com but do not know how "GOOD" they are. I also just got an email from Rogers.com stating that their phones do come "locked"....ugh T-mobile USA needs to get on this phone already lol.

T-Mobile will release this within the next 3 weeks (end of June or early July). If you want to take advantage of T-Mobile US 3G, wait for the T-Mobile US version or get the Google Ion.
The Rogers HTC Magic is perfect for AT&T users since it has AT&T 3G bands.

Thanks backviet, read your answer over on howards also. I guess i will just have to wait, like you mentioned.....dang!

Yeah, just got mine as well. Things are looking good so far. Only bad spot is, is the exchange activesync that apparently doesnt work (not sure if it's some sort of extension that is needed...there's not much info on it). Anyone else get a problem synching up exchange and getting a "Failed to create the account" Error?
Going to try to solve that later today...

that's strange...i work at a rogers store and as i was playing with a magic today, and i had no problem connecting to our exchange server. you would think that both are running the same software so exchange support would be the same.
we're sold out of magic's so i won't be able to try it out till we get more.
i'm actually thinking about picking one up as well, although i'm not 100% sold on it, it's def. a much nicer device than the dream, at least imo.

Multimedia
Hey guys, just picked up my Magic yesturday from Rogers and loving it. So much fun. Now I am wondering how do we upload pictures and music and videos onto our phone? I plugged it to my PC but unable to access the MicroSD card. Is there a program manager that needs to be downloaded first? Thanks

How do you Root the Rogers ones ?

DarknessTM said:
How do you Root the Rogers ones ?
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you cant just yet

Got myself one two days ago when it came, its pretty good... only problem i had was the wifi kept hanging a simple Settings -> Wifi -> menu -> advance > wifi sleep policy to "never" fixed it.... other than that its pretty good i plan to start some development on the android platform

Rogers Sapphire on AT&T 3G?

Just a curious question, is there a possibility that an HTC Sapphire/Magic from Rogers will work on AT&T's network?

Gunmoku said:
Just a curious question, is there a possibility that an HTC Sapphire/Magic from Rogers will work on AT&T's network?
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I can confirm that it will work on AT&T's 3G coz I'm using it in NYC

so its not locked??? cuz i tried it with the fido sim and it worked....

Apparently
I read that pretty much all current HTC GSM devices from Europe and Asia do indeed work on American 3G networks. For the longest time we were tricked into thinking the HTC Touch HD only worked on American Edge networks. However, a recent document released by HTC proves that it does have support for American 3G bands. I am waiting for the HTC hero to come out for ORANGE. At which point I will drop the big bucks to get it early.

Thats incorrect. the Touch HD papers were before the phone was even released, so those specs were never real. 3G networks in europe uses 2100 whereas at&t in the US uses 850/1900 3G bands. Not compatible.
But Rogers in canada uses the same exact bands as at&t usa. So you will have 3G in america. (Afterall Rogers used to be "Rogers at&t"

internet spazed, double posted. Someone plz delete this post.

I'm on Rogers HTC Magic too on AT&T in California, 3G works fine. You just need to sim unlock it and you're good to go.

Same thing. 3G AT&T in California.

can you guys see all paid apps including documents to go by dataviz? I just purchased a unlocked rogers magic and I can only see some paid apps but not all? Can one of you guys check your appstore? Thanks

motionUS said:
can you guys see all paid apps including documents to go by dataviz? I just purchased a unlocked rogers magic and I can only see some paid apps but not all? Can one of you guys check your appstore? Thanks
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It's locked in the ROM it looks like, because not even market enabler lets me see everything.

Can you see "documents to go" by dataviz on your unlocked rogers magic (not rooted)?

motionUS said:
Can you see "documents to go" by dataviz on your unlocked rogers magic (not rooted)?
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Rooted or no. It's not showing up because Rogers locked down the market a bit through the ROM on the phone.

tribalmunky said:
Rooted or no. It's not showing up because Rogers locked down the market a bit through the ROM on the phone.
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That sucks, so I guess a true sim unlocked phone (not rooted) would have full access to paid apps unless as you are saying rogers has limited the paid apps through the rom.
I was able to purchase copilot today. It seems very strange that I could buy copilot but can't see documents to go.
Is there anyway to remove this lock down on the market? If rogers releases a update to open up the market will our phone get this update?

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That sucks, so I guess a true sim unlocked phone (not rooted) would have full access to paid apps unless as you are saying rogers has limited the paid apps through the rom.
I was able to purchase copilot today. It seems very strange that I could buy copilot but can't see documents to go.
Is there anyway to remove this lock down on the market?
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There's a app called Market Enabler, but it doesn't work.

tribalmunky said:
There's a app called Market Enabler, but it doesn't work.
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from my understanding market enabler would work if you root. The downside of rooting is than losing access to copyright protected apps.

motionUS said:
from my understanding market enabler would work if you root. The downside of rooting is than losing access to copyright protected apps.
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I tried it when I first rooted and I didn't notice any difference.

sorry to necro a bit on this one.
I just picked up the google ION and I also have AT&T cell service (in southern NJ).
So far I have only been able to use edge connections, I have yet to see 3G kick in. I checked the AT&T coverage map and I should be soaked in 3G so Im curious if there are any settings/tweaks I can apply to activate 3G on the ION.
I can confirm that the ION has the proper radios (850/1900) just like the rogers version of the magic.
I would absolutely love to have 3G enabled on this phone so any info would be greatly appreciated.
For reference, the only APN i have set up is wap.cingular (ive looked at many other lists but this is the only one I got to work with data [edge]... this is the only one tech support from ATT gave me that worked as well).
Thanks!

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I can confirm that the ION has the proper radios (850/1900) just like the rogers version of the magic.
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Thats right, it has the right radio frequencies for EDGE. The Ion has 1700/2100 3G bands and there is absolutely no way to get ATT 3G as the frequencies are hard coded into the hardware. Switch to Tmobile if you want 3G on the Ion as it is essentially a MyTouch 3G

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Thats right, it has the right radio frequencies for EDGE. The Ion has 1700/2100 3G bands and there is absolutely no way to get ATT 3G as the frequencies are hard coded into the hardware. Switch to Tmobile if you want 3G on the Ion as it is essentially a MyTouch 3G
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ahhh, so just having the supported bands is not enough, it has to be on the correct specific radio? ive been googling my ass off about this and thats the first concrete response/piece of information ive seen. many thanks.
in light of that information, would I be able to pick up a rogers magic and have it work with ATT 3G then? From what ive read here it appears that the rogers magic has 850/1900 as its 3G radio, correct?
looks like im going to have to put this ion back on ebay, ugh.

yah if you get a rogers magic then you will be good.

HD2 3G Question

So I am looking at getting the HD2 to replace my 3Gs iPhone. I actually just tried a Nexus One and while it is a great device there are some items that need to be addressed, mainly in the fit and finish side, plus full out of box Exchange support.
SO, with that said. I noticed MobileCity has the HD2 for $719 and this feels like a good price for this device. It is however the import version and the guy on the phone said it will NOT work in any USA 3G system.
My question is this, with a ROM update will this device work just fine on the T-Mobile 3G system today?
Thanks!

Current HD2 will not work 3G US
Please note that the hardware of the HD2 is only 1900/2100 bands. For 3G in the USA you will need 1700Mhz for T-Mo or 850Mhz for AT&T.
No softwre will do it, if the radio band is not supported by hardware. Rumor says T-MO will have the US version of HD2 by the end of Q1/2010. my guess is April 2010. Note that if you are on AT&T even unlocking will not work for you even then.
Personally- I 'lost' my 3G by buying the current HD2 model. It worth it, as for SMS/emails the 3G is not needed, and I can have WiFi free hot spots ..

Bummer, but a glimmer of hope there....
So you saying you do not miss the 3G service at all? I would also be in wifi coverage at home and in the office, heck I could even just stay with AT&T for now. Would you be able to compare it to an iPhone 3GS?
I thought that the HD2 radios were the same for both the US and the Europe versions as they are quad-band radios and it was just a software update for the radios.

socialwill said:
I thought that the HD2 radios were the same for both the US and the Europe versions as they are quad-band radios and it was just a software update for the radios.
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There are now 4 distinct locality based versions of the HD2 with different radio bands for UMTS/3G
Quad band refers only to the GSM element, not UMTS

Well slap me and call me Susan, I did not know there were 4 units...which one is the device I should look at then even if it would not work on 3G?

socialwill said:
Well slap me and call me Susan, I did not know there were 4 units...which one is the device I should look at then even if it would not work on 3G?
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There you go Susan- details on PDAdb

Great! Thanks for the link.
Anyone able to say they are happy they went from a 3GS to the HD2? If so, why?

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There you go Susan- details on PDAdb
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No offense, but PDAdb is utter trash. 4 different units of HD2? The Tmo US having 900/2100? Another HD2 US having 850/1900? Tmo US is on a 1700/2100 UMTS so no, that link to Tmo US HD2 is completely wrong. When did the 850/1900 HD2 was even mentioned anywhere on the net? AFAIK, the closeless you'll come to AT&T 3G is the australian version which has 850/2100 UMTS. I'd be careful giving people that link with unsubstantiated information.

Thanks. What device do you have?

So now the question is would it be better to wait for the T-Mobile version or go with a current device?

So I'm assuming that you have T-Mobile? If you do, just wait for the Tmo version to be release around March. That's all you need to know if you want Tmo 3G.
In case you want AT&T 3G, there's no news of 850/1900 band other than the Australian version that i talked about above. The Australian version is coming out at the end of this month.

Damn..now the question is whether to wait for the Australian version or just get it tonight from eBay.

iPhone 3Ha vs. HD2
had both. there is no way the iPhone beats the HD2 in any category but battery. but you can have two batteries...
the iPhone is slower , bloated, had to be jail broken of you consider any customizing, and must have itunes and Apple support. not for me. was a bitter trial.
why EBay? see www.networkingrus.com . got 3 phones from them already.
bigE

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had both. there is no way the iPhone beats the HD2 in any category but battery. but you can have two batteries...
the iPhone is slower , bloated, had to be jail broken of you consider any customizing, and must have itunes and Apple support. not for me. was a bitter trial.
why EBay? see www.networkingrus.com . got 3 phones from them already.
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What makes networkingrus.com so good? Just curious, but I like the site.

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So I'm assuming that you have T-Mobile? If you do, just wait for the Tmo version to be release around March. That's all you need to know if you want Tmo 3G.
In case you want AT&T 3G, there's no news of 850/1900 band other than the Australian version that i talked about above. The Australian version is coming out at the end of this month.
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No, actually I am on AT&T so it would be a break of contract to move to T-Mobile, however it would be a cheaper data plan over all..
What are most people using here? T-Mobile or AT&T for the HD2?

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No, actually I am on AT&T so it would be a break of contract to move to T-Mobile, however it would be a cheaper data plan over all..
What are most people using here? T-Mobile or AT&T for the HD2?
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I'm using AT&T without data plan.

I am on T-Mobile simply for the fact I save $50 dollars a month for the inconvenience of only having the Edge network.

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I'm using AT&T without data plan.
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How are you doing that?

FunMCRider said:
I am on T-Mobile simply for the fact I save $50 dollars a month for the inconvenience of only having the Edge network.
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How is the device on Edge only? Part of me wants to move now, however the other part of me says if I am going to get a device on T-Mobile, why not just wait for the 3G edge version from T-Mobile.

In the US it's going to be Edge only. I'm using it in Canada (Edge only again) but to be honest, haven't really missed much. I don't surf on it that much and I'd rather do it over Wifi anyways (home/office)

Would it be worth it upgrading to Evo?

Hi, I'm wondering is it worth it to splash $50 to buy an used Evo after selling my HD2? The thing is I want Android with 4.3" screen but I don't know if Android on HD2 is good enough compared to a real Android phone. So what do you think? Would there be a perfect Android ROM that'd make HD2 the same as any Android phone? One more factor to consider, my country doesn't support 4G. Thanks.

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Hi, I'm wondering is it worth it to splash $50 to buy an used Evo after selling my HD2? The thing is I want Android with 4.3" screen but I don't know if Android on HD2 is good enough compared to a real Android phone. So what do you think? Would there be a perfect Android ROM that'd make HD2 the same as any Android phone? One more factor to consider, my country doesn't support 4G. Thanks.
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Your country needs to support CDMA to use the EVO, IT IS NOT GSM COMPATIBLE!
If you would like an Android GSM phone with a 4.3'' screen, why not go for the HTC Desire HD?

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Your country needs to support CDMA to use the EVO, IT IS NOT GSM COMPATIBLE!
If you would like an Android GSM phone with a 4.3'' screen, why not go for the HTC Desire HD?
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yes, of course i'm aware of that. desire hd is not an option because it's not released yet here and even if it is, the price is out of my range.

"desire hd is not an option because it's not released yet here"
Well, your country doesn't have any CDMA network. And... The EVO 4G is available ?
The real question : do you need a phone for calling ? >> Yes or no ?

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"desire hd is not an option because it's not released yet here"
Well, your country doesn't have any CDMA network. And... The EVO 4G is available ?
The real question : do you need a phone for calling ? >> Yes or no ?
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my country indeed has a CDMA network. used one myself. what my country doesn't have is a 4g network. people buy evo from other countries. it's not officially released.

having used an evo i can tell you the is little to no speed difference. If you dont mind wating for the issues we're currently having with android to be resolved then no it isnt worth it. If you cant wait any longer then go for the evo.

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my country indeed has a CDMA network. used one myself. what my country doesn't have is a 4g network. people buy evo from other countries. it's not officially released.
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CDMA networks operate in different bands in various parts of the world. you need to check with the local operator ( Pele....?) what bands he operates and buy only a compatible unit

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CDMA networks operate in different bands in various parts of the world. you need to check with the local operator ( Pele....?) what bands he operates and buy only a compatible unit
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yes i know. evo works in my country.

Just in case you talk about Pelephone (Israel), while the Evo should, indeed, be compatible with Pelephone's CDMA network, good luck convincing Pelephone to put you on it. And, while their CDMA network is currently fully operational, it kinda looks like they are more into their GSM one, and may eventually start killing the CDMA network off.

dan138zig said:
Hi, I'm wondering is it worth it to splash $50 to buy an used Evo after selling my HD2? The thing is I want Android with 4.3" screen but I don't know if Android on HD2 is good enough compared to a real Android phone. So what do you think? Would there be a perfect Android ROM that'd make HD2 the same as any Android phone? One more factor to consider, my country doesn't support 4G. Thanks.
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first, have you tried android on hd2?...if not, try the mdeejay revolution 2.3 build...it is based on the evo kernel, works perfect