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Nexus One European 3g Networks

Does anyone know if the nexus one will work on european 3g networks?
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/google-nexus-one-specs-leaked-sales-by-invitation-only there is a spreadsheet with the baseband versions and if i compare this to my htc hero where it says hsdpa 900MHZ and 2100MHZ then it looks like that the hero will work on europe 3g? because it uses 900, 2100 +aws which is t-mobile usa?

looks like the n1 supports the UMTS band I (2100)
nearly every telco uses this band in europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks
yes you can use 3g in europe

Yeah it should Work like mentioned above.

3 United Kingdom
T-Mobile United Kingdom
Telefónica O2 United Kingdom
Vodafone United Kingdom
Orange United Kingdom
Doesn't look like there's a network it wont work on in the UK!

The Nexus One may just work on other 3g networks from what ive heard just a rumor though.
http://www.n1user.com/2010/01/04/rumor-that-nex…get-3g-for-att/

qvert said:
Does anyone know if the nexus one will work on european 3g networks?
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Im using it (sim free version) in Russia on GSM (900/1800)

Works on SFR France.

Guys the N1 just doesn't work in the US on AT&T. Most places its going to work.

Works in France with Bouygues Telecom too.

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Hey!
first hello, I'm a newbie here!
sorry if I double-post.
Is there a thread with the parameters of the different network operators for the 3G access ?

T-mobile's US HD2 works on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe?

Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin

actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.

hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.

Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!

Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).

pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!

At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.

erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands

alefsin said:
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it

Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG

JohnQ said:
you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5

Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?

OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused

Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?

JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John

I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G

Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)

I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..

Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!

Which Nexus Model for UK O2 use.

Basically as the title suggests........possibly being a bit dim, but would prefer confirmation that I am about to buy the correct/best model for UK use.
There are 2 sim free models, which do I need...?
The 2nd one appears to me to be "The One"
Can someone please confirm this for me.. I am buying today

Presumably you do *not* want to buy the cdma one... You should buy the one that is compatible with the t-mobile network if the UK is the country you're going to be using it in.

peadarog said:
Presumably you do *not* want to buy the cdma one... You should buy the one that is compatible with the t-mobile network if the UK is the country you're going to be using it in.
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Your post is appreciated...thanks

Choose the model that was first released, it works perfect on Orange and O2

nDrg said:
Choose the model that was first released, it works perfect on Orange and O2
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And T-Mobile UK

If you plan on traveling to North America, the 850/1900 UMTS network here is bigger than the 1700/2100. If you plan on traveling to Asia and I think Australia, there are a few networks that use the 900 band.
It doesn't matter which GSM model you get if you are only counting UK networks.

My query revolves around the google ordering site, both options appear pretty similar...
Initially I thought it was option 2 I needed but now it doesn't really matter, if I understand the replies above. I will mainly be UK based but will be in Europe occasionally.
3G is essential for obvious reasons.
1. Compatible with 3G on T-Mobile (U.S.)
Supports three 3G/UMTS bands (900/AWS/2100 MHz) and four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
2. Compatible with 3G on AT&T (U.S.) and these wireless providers in Canada.
Supports three 3G/UMTS bands (850/1900/2100 MHz) and four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)

Get the one that as originally released. I have one & am using it on O2 UK & work great. No issues.

JAW$ said:
Get the one that as originally released. I have one & am using it on O2 UK & work great. No issues.
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Argh.....this is my question ?? which one is that from the choice of 2 on the google site.

I have seen you post in a couple of Forums and from what I have read they say get the T-MOBILE version, that is the BEST for T-MOBIL UK O2, that is the first one released,

arimus said:
I have seen you post in a couple of Forums and from what I have read they say get the T-MOBILE version, that is the BEST for T-MOBIL UK O2, that is the first one released,
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At last.........thanks for being clear and to the point.

Although both versions will work perfectly fine in the UK (all UK carriers use the 2100 UTMS band for 3G), it really depends if you ever plan on using it abroad.
Europe, Asia, Africas and Oceania (everywhere else but Americas basically) you are better off getting the 900/AWS/2100 "US T-Mobile" version as most carriers use 900/2100 band around the world.
Americas (both North and South) you are better with the 850/1900/2100 "US AT&T" version as the majority use the 850/1900 band.
I myself have the 900/AWS/2100 version because most of my usage abroad are either in Europe (France/Italy) or in Asia (Hong Kong/China). You can check the frequency band usage yourself at Wikipedia so you can lookup your favourite carriers if needed.

difference between "a" and "i"

What is the difference between the two and can you make an "a" an "i"?

the differences are the 3g frequencies that they support
i forgot the exact bands but i know that the x10a supports us atnt, rogers canada, and telstra australia 3g bands. the x10i supports asia and european 3g bands

The difference is pronouncation. Also a is the first letter in the alphabet while i is the 9th. I don't think you can make i into a and vice versa.
PS. You can make [email protected] and vice versa but it causes SEUS problems.

x10i and x10a both have the same GSM network frequency as 850/900/1800/1900, or you can call as as Edge network as well. As for the 3G frequency or UMTS bandwidth, here is the difference:
x10i
UMTS: 900/1700/2100 MHz
it will support Asia / Europe / and T-Mobile USA 3G network.
X10a
UMTS: 800/850/1900/2100 MHz
like dorifuto.boi said, it will support AT&T US, Roger Canada, Teltra Australia. It also support Japanese Do-co-mo 3G network as well.
You may wanna check with your current service provider and ask them which UMTS bandwidth they fall into the above category. Again, this is for GSM network only. If you are using Sprint, Verizon, etc they are in differenet as they are in CDMA network.

To further add to your comments
SE uses the a or I for country variants
A - America's (Canada, US & Latin America) Support these bands
I - International (Europe, Asia, Middle east etc) support these bands

thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.

nkn_1 said:
thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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a - AT & T
i - tmobile
Just find somebody here on the forum and exchange the phones

njfpolyr6 said:
x10i
UMTS: 900/1700/2100 MHz
it will support Asia / Europe / and T-Mobile USA 3G network.
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As well as WIND Mobile in Canada
njfpolyr6 said:
X10a
UMTS: 800/850/1900/2100 MHz
like dorifuto.boi said, it will support AT&T US, Roger Canada, Teltra Australia. It also support Japanese Do-co-mo 3G network as well.
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Bell and Telus have 3G (only) networks in Canada in these bands

By the way... it is technically possible to build a phone that works on all the 3G bands, so that it would not be required an "a" and an "i" version?

the Nokia n8 is like that. 5 band 3g. but the x10 is not

quanganhle90 said:
the Nokia n8 is like that. 5 band 3g. but the x10 is not
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Yes it is - for some weird reason t-mobile was included in the international version, and AT&T was on the American version... But the facts is, that both versions have 2100 MHz 3G which is the most used 3G band worldwide... As I see it, you will just have to go into a secret menu and then check off some other boxes, and then it should be able to use the other 3G bands!
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just because they both have 2100 doesn't mean ATT and t-mobile are using them. personally they should have made 1 model with quad band 3g. better for everyone.

nkn_1 said:
thanks for the info. I received and "a" as a gift, but am not able to get on tmobile3g. Only getting edge, but it runs fine.
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I have a X10i but for my operetor I need a X10a. I will apreciate to change my model with you

lornova said:
By the way... it is technically possible to build a phone that works on all the 3G bands, so that it would not be required an "a" and an "i" version?
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technically yes
RIM has this
blackberry's band can be swtiched by changing the fw.

Will the UK version work in Canada?

Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean

Se4nH4x said:
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100

ajftl said:
NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?

Se4nH4x said:
is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
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Yea, 3G would be pretty much a necessity, as the next best available connection you would get is edge, which is much slower.

For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..

So it does work if i only use for 2G cell phone service with Fido (no internet), right?
I can use WIFI only.

pistol44 said:
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
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That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>

Se4nH4x said:
That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)

jul644 said:
no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
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well my point was that it has no supported 3G bands.
I want to take full advantage of 3G.

Finally!
Got official info!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
Bands
UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
There's that 1700/2100 that I need!
Yay!