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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
You do know that there are over 20 android phones slated to come out in the next 6-8 months, right? The hero isnt unique anyway. We've had hero roms running on the G1 since before the hero even had a US release.
yep its now just part of a series of clones..
Yeah I'm not really a fan of Sense UI, it has a couple of cool widgets but it's such a resource hog. Even if I had a Hero with the extra RAM I'd still use the regular launcher, but that's just me.
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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
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well sense ui is very visually appealing and adds function compared to phones running regular android. why keep sense ui only on hero...its htcs own custom ui so they should be able to do what they want.
plus the hero will just end up being a dud...a prototype for sense ui and see where they can improve upon..just like the g1...and the extra ram really does help with speed and multitasking.
and besides companies custom UIs is only included on phone without the 'with google" branding..(sprint hero is an exception)
Lol, that reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS7qVjr1Vps
OMG, why did HTC port sense to other Phones!, YOU WILL PAY HTC, whaaa, whaaa, I wanted exclusive!!!!
Dude, seriously...
Why do you care ?
Frankly I want to see Android do well. Why do I care if other Android phones get anothers UI ? All I care about is handset makers putting top grade hardware for these things.
In a forum much dedicated to importing UIs and Apps from other phones pretty damn ignorant to get upset about this.
i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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they arent clones...tattoo has 1.6
even so, they arent clones..thats like saying two different dell laptops are clones because they both run windows 7
Sense is pretty much HTC's version or "Branch" of android much like Ubuntu is to
Debian (although not as different).
All HTC Phones with sense offer something different.
The Hero is an "All Rounder" (At the moment)
The Tattoo is a low cost budget phone with customisation aimed at the "less geeky" market.
The next "Major Release" they release with Sense UI will probably have the next version of Sense running on a 2.0 backbone and with a larger screen similar to the HD2.
did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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To be honest, I only wanted sense for the widgets and the music app. That was about it, other than that, I could care less about the UI. At the growth rate of android I'm sure custom UIs will be a thing of the past sooner or later.
I don't want to get peoples hopes up buuuuuuutttt-
Mytouch 3G to get 2.2 from next week and onwards.
Keep in mind that the Slide is a HTC sense device. If they have sense prepped and nearly ready for the Slide imagine where our update stands.
Keep in mind that 2.2 is a incremental update and not nearly such a huge leap as going from 1.5 1.6 to 2.1.
I'd agree. But the mytouch slide isn't a sense device...its got a custom t mobile UI. So no beans. It'll get here when it does. No worries.
From what I read on specs it does indeed include the sense ui. Otherwise I would not have bothered creating a thread.
Edit: I stand corrected. Darn. Other specs I looked up online listed the Sense UI. Looks like thats no longer the case.
The myTouch 3G Slide doesn't use HTC's Sense UI, but it doesn't really use stock Android, either. HTC and T-Mobile have made some subtle changes that make the Slide at least different from other Android handsets, if not more usable.
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I'm pretty sure it's a t-mobile influenced version of sense
Still, this its verizon we are talking about. They are notoriously slow at updating their phones
HTC Desire is rumored to get a 2.2 update at the end of June
Would love to see 2.2 on my INC but I'm not holding my breath on root
Didn't they(VZW) update the droid eris pretty quickly especially compared to sprint and the hero or maybe I'm bugging
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I'm pretty sure it's a t-mobile influenced version of sense
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Correct, at its heart its Sense UI. All the Sense features work, T-Mo just got a hold of it and made it ugly, I mean I HATE that box crap around all the icons, it looks retarded
I would assume that T-Mobile just modified sense, and in order for them to produce an update they would need sense 2.2 from HTC. As such, I think it would be safe to also assume that HTC is preparing 2.2 for their other devices as well.
I just remember it taking ages for vzw to release the 2.1 update for the moto droid... And that is bone stock
I've just been reading a review of the HTC Wildfire which is HTCs new budget android device... they seem to think its a lot better than the Tattoo. The specs though are very similar except it has a bit more RAM and a decent camera.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/624604/htc-wildfire-review/4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting comparison and shows what the Tattoo can still do especially as the chipsets are the same. I hope with a Froyo release for the Tattoo it can show its potential!
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I've just been reading a review of the HTC Wildfire which is HTCs new budget android device... they seem to think its a lot better than the Tattoo. The specs though are very similar except it has a bit more RAM and a decent camera.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/624604/htc-wildfire-review/4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting comparison and shows what the Tattoo can still do especially as the chipsets are the same. I hope with a Froyo release for the Tattoo it can show its potential!
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wildfire has a capacitive touchscreen --> multitouch
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wildfire has a capacitive touchscreen --> multitouch
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Apart from being able to pinch zoom who cares? And with a 3.2 inch screen anyway I don't think its the going to be beating an iPhone for web browsing just because it has multi touch lol. My point is that the Tattoo can be brought up to the same level with a complete 2.1/2.2 update.
Maybe that "bit more RAM" is necessary to have 2.1 and sense working fine.
But i'm not sure
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Apart from being able to pinch zoom who cares? And with a 3.2 inch screen anyway I don't think its the going to be beating an iPhone for web browsing just because it has multi touch lol. My point is that the Tattoo can be brought up to the same level with a complete 2.1/2.2 update.
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yes but in my opinion it won't arrive!
instead htc assured froyo for device from genuary 2010 excluding tattoo that exited on november/december 2009 -.-
i'm not talking about hardware that is almost the same but the support won't be the same for these devices...
do not forget wildfire start with a 2.1 upgradeable to 2.2
and the cost is almost the same for both devices...
Not from HTC it won't... but the development team here are almost there anyway so hopefully a fully working ROM will be here soon without the need for HTC!
And I think you're missing my point. Im just saying that the new device is basically the same as the Tattoo. Im not saying sombody should go out now and buy a Tattoo, that would be stupid lol.
HTC Wildfire is what the Tattoo should have been.
I'm not convinced in upgrading to the Wildfire just to replace my dying Tattoo.
People, I'm quite sure that HTC won't update Wildfire to 2.2. They will just leave it behind like they left behind the Tattoo! They clearly said that they will update most of the phones released in 2010...I don't know, but I sense that the wildfire users will be as disappointed as we were when they said that 2.1 isn't going to come for our tattoos...
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People, I'm quite sure that HTC won't update Wildfire to 2.2. They will just leave it behind like they left behind the Tattoo! They clearly said that they will update most of the phones released in 2010...I don't know, but I sense that the wildfire users will be as disappointed as we were when they said that 2.1 isn't going to come for our tattoos...
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Ditto. HTC just likes to put phones out there that they can't support, you buy it, you have to put up with it if it breaks. Makes me angry.
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HTC Wildfire is what the Tattoo should have been.
I'm not convinced in upgrading to the Wildfire just to replace my dying Tattoo.
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I couldn't say that any better. 100% agree. I think there are basicly two type of needs/users.
One is what I call the "leisure" user (that could be myself on week ends) who wants a ample web browsing, full multimedia, multiple messaging (SMS's and chat), gaming, and so on. For these users, iPhone 3g/3gs/4, Nexus One, or alike any of both is the choice.
Another one is my so called "working" user (myself monday to friday), when your needs are mostly email (mostly exchange and push), quick browsing, mapping or navigation, shopping lists, to do lists, calendars, reminders, transportation routing or schedule querying, not too ambicious web browsing, some music/sudokuing is well appreciated. For this use, Tattoo-like->Wildfire is simply perfect: does it all, with no excess luggage (weight/size).
I don't know if I should say pitty or shame on HTC for releasing a device that in a very few months will be improved to the obsolecense point. We all know that in consumer technology you will never catch up with the very best, but HTC guys, we should be happy at least for one year. Is it to ask for too much? Did they invent the "decent camera" last week so it is just now that you could include it in your phones, or couldn't you do that on the Tattoo? And cant't you upgrade to 2.1 or 2.2? You HTC want to tell us that you can't do what some cooks on XDA have already done? I am certain that these guys are very well prepared, qualified and smart, no doubt on it, but what they do is some kind of hobby on their spare time, and they are charging not a cent!
Well, my hope like many others, is on these magnificent guys cooking new ROMs for all of us (hopefully we will have a 2.1 or 2.2 fully functional), and as some other dudes already have expressed, Tattoo might well be my last HTC device.
I think tattoo is lack of screen resolution and size of the screen other than it's good if you just work around with roms and install market patched hopefully soon we will have 2.2 or 2.1 fully working custom Roms with market patched and it will be really cool
But htc should do something about tattoo they can't just leave tattoo in blank
don't think on buying a wildfire. haven't you got enough with Tattoo? save some more money and buy a nexus one or an iphone, they are truly speedy and better quality
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Ditto. HTC just likes to put phones out there that they can't support, you buy it, you have to put up with it if it breaks. Makes me angry.
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HTC Officially released Android froyo (2.2) update for wildfire in europe. Just check below link,
http://www.htc.com/europe/support.aspx?type=Others
Soon to india.. wait.
ok what I thought was stupid is the LG optimus S has the 90% same specs of the hero how the hell can it get 2.2 and our hardware our htc hero is 1-2 years old(i think 1) not even been in for long enough and it cant get 2.2 when LG optimus can?! (offical 2.2 froyo not the roms) so stupid someone should just port the LG optimus S to the hero and then we can tell htc the 3rd finger
I agree as well
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I agree as well
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
Is the mytouch 3g almost like the HTC hero
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Is the mytouch 3g almost like the HTC hero
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is it made my htc?.....lol no
I just thought they were similar
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ok what I thought was stupid is the LG optimus S has the 90% same specs of the hero how the hell can it get 2.2 and our hardware our htc hero is 1-2 years old(i think 1) not even been in for long enough and it cant get 2.2 when LG optimus can?! (offical 2.2 froyo not the roms) so stupid someone should just port the LG optimus S to the hero and then we can tell htc the 3rd finger
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I think the primary issue is using Sense. Since the Hero is a Sense device, so on top of getting 2.2 perfectly functioning, they have to modify Sense to be compatible as well, and that is just something they don't want to invest in.
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
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Lol Samsung support their top-tier Galaxy line is not a good comparison against HTC and their low-mid range Hero. Samsung was responsible for one of the worst debacles in Android support history, promising 2.1 for Behold II users and then all of a sudden abandoning support after releasing 1.6. HTC is much more consistent, not to mention their build quality is the best in the industry.
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is it made my htc?.....lol no
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Yes, the MyTouch 3G is made by HTC. MyTouch is just T-Mobile's branding, it is originally the HTC Sapphire or Magic. The MyTouch 3G and Hero are very similar devices, actually.. same CPU, similar amounts of RAM, etc.
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I think the primary issue is using Sense. Since the Hero is a Sense device, so on top of getting 2.2 perfectly functioning, they have to modify Sense to be compatible as well, and that is just something they don't want to invest in.
Lol Samsung support their top-tier Galaxy line is not a good comparison against HTC and their low-mid range Hero. Samsung was responsible for one of the worst debacles in Android support history, promising 2.1 for Behold II users and then all of a sudden abandoning support after releasing 1.6. HTC is much more consistent, not to mention their build quality is the best in the industry.
Yes, the MyTouch 3G is made by HTC. MyTouch is just T-Mobile's branding, it is originally the HTC Sapphire or Magic. The MyTouch 3G and Hero are very similar devices, actually.. same CPU, similar amounts of RAM, etc.
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But were talking about the htc hero on this fourm not the mytouch 3g =/
I know this topic started with the LG optimus S and the HTC hero. The only reason why I asked about the mytouch 3g was because my friend said they weren't similar and I just wanted to know. Sorry for adding the mytouch 3g into this topic.
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
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The Galaxy-S series is their flagship more "high-end" series of phones, not to mention way newer, not really a fair thing to compare (they are doing great with not rolling out 2.2 updates for their new phones, that's for sure ).
Also, why are you not blaming Sprint at least a little bit about this? They are the carrier, afterall. Hero could receive 2.2 if they wanted it to, I'm sure.
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
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The Samsung Moment, on par with the Hero with a little better hardware, isn't getting 2.2 so your argument for Sammy being better is invalid, sir. Also, the Legend is getting updated, and when it does, the devs will be all over it like a hobo on a Ham sandwich. Then the Hero will have sense 2.2. If that's your thing. I'm quite happy with my AOSP rom, though.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
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I know this topic started with the LG optimus S and the HTC hero. The only reason why I asked about the mytouch 3g was because my friend said they weren't similar and I just wanted to know. Sorry for adding the mytouch 3g into this topic.
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Googling phone specs, the Hero and the Optimus S are very similar hardware-wise. Not sure about the MT3G, I didn't search for that one...
But as c00ller mentioned above, the Optimus S isn't running SenseUI, hence why it already has Android 2.2. Developing a fully-working 2.2 SenseUI release takes HTC longer to work out. And I'm sure HTC wouldn't let Sprint release plain regular stock Android 2.2 (without SenseUI) for a Sense-based device, which is why the Hero doesn't have it even though it's already available on other similar phones.
I like HTC too much to leave, and it's already official they're not releasing 2.2 for the hero
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The Samsung Moment, on par with the Hero with a little better hardware, isn't getting 2.2 so your argument for Sammy being better is invalid, sir. Also, the Legend is getting updated, and when it does, the devs will be all over it like a hobo on a Ham sandwich. Then the Hero will have sense 2.2. If that's your thing. I'm quite happy with my AOSP rom, though.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
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Sorry meant alacy series
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Googling phone specs, the Hero and the Optimus S are very similar hardware-wise.
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not quite so similar..the Optimus has a more up to date processor that runs at 600mhz and almost twice the ram.
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The Samsung Moment, on par with the Hero with a little better hardware..
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As a former moment owner, I agree the hardware is better, the processor is faster. but the radio lock-ups (total phone and data lock up only resolved by pulling the battery), poor gps, exceptionally bad batter life and other software/hardware integration failures were too much to handle. Stock or Custom Rom-- it didn't matter. 3D performance is abysmal on the Moment. You think angry birds is bad on the hero? Try 1 frame every 1-3 seconds on the Moment.
As bad as the problems with the phone were, when it worked it worked very nice. Working was interrupted by very significant bugs like the radio lock, which happened daily (heavy data user/exchange/streaming/etc).
I recently warranty swapped the moment over the hero and couldn't be happier
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Also, why are you not blaming Sprint at least a little bit about this? They are the carrier, afterall. Hero could receive 2.2 if they wanted it to, I'm sure.
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I have to agree with you, T-Mobile made the call in regards to their "No Phone Left Behind" policy. I assume that they must pay extra to get HTC to support "legacy" devices. Sprint on the other hand has decided to focus on their new phones. You'd think the support would last at least as long as the contract you sign with them. That would make most sense.
My wife upgraded from her MyTouch 3G (T-Mobile) to the Hero (Sprint), on which which I quickly rooted and installed CM6 Froyo. The Hero runs 2.2 beautifully, tethers with Barnacle (Hulu and Netflix on road trips!) but the fact is that it is noticeably slower in EVERYTHING compared to the LG Optimus S, especially games (comparisons done live in store).
They have similar CPUs on paper, but the Optimus S is definitely faster in practice. It's like comparing two laptops because they both have Intel CPUs. One is a Celeron, the other is a Core i5.
I'm getting mine on Black Friday at Best Buy for $1.00.
Optimus S has a dual core
The reason that the Optimus S performs better in practice is that it actually has a dual core processor 600 MHz application / 400 MHz modem processor. Look at LG's site. Click on the specifications tab.
http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-LS670-Purple.jsp
Oh yeah, mine arrived at my house yesterday, and is waiting for me to activate it when I get home. I am still keeping my hero for development purposes though.
Being a former moment owner, I think I'll stick with the other manufacturers for quite some time. My hero runs every bit as smooth as my moment and with no data lockups. Had to do battery pull 1-2 times a day, without wifi running at all (which was claimed to be the issues). Now I get every text including all my picture mail not just one every once in a while. Crap radio. Had an LG years ago. It was the original Chocolate with Verizon. Went through four in a year. Circuit board fried and they couldn't figure out why. Little leery about LG now too. Point is, I like the way my HTC runs so think I'll stick with them a while. H
Hey,
just saw a video about the new HTC Evo 3D and it has some nice Sense-features:
New "Flyer" lockscreen
Homescreen transitions
Screen-off animation
So maybe we are getting those too?
it would be great to hv 3D sense on my DHD!!
I hope it wont drain the battery.
Is this the first dual/core device by HTC or am I living in stone age?
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Is this the first dual/core device by HTC or am I living in stone age?
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Yes, this is the first officially announced dualcore.
And may I add its ubeeeeeeeeeeer sexay!
lol..was just about to start thread on this, but thankfully someone alreddy has..
So any hope in someone picking up on this..the new sense rocks..more transparency throughout, better lockscreen, carousel view when scrolling through homescreens fast...me want
I hope this is the Sense we will get after update to Gingerbread. On the other hand, I dont care about the UI that much as about fixing the camera app which makes awful photos.
EDIT: ok, there is an unconfirmed rumour that Desire and DHD will get 2.3.3 but not 2.4, which is only for dual cores. not sure what it means towards this new Sense which was shown on a dual core phone. not that it wouldnt be ported soon after release by someone over here
2.4 is the merge between Honeycomb and Gingerbread...
I love the unlocking screen.
Must have ;w;
Oh wow that's a nice phone
Will buy only after rooting of course
I'm in love... I want it...
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I hope this is the Sense we will get after update to Gingerbread. On the other hand, I dont care about the UI that much as about fixing the camera app which makes awful photos.
EDIT: ok, there is an unconfirmed rumour that Desire and DHD will get 2.3.3 but not 2.4, which is only for dual cores. not sure what it means towards this new Sense which was shown on a dual core phone. not that it wouldnt be ported soon after release by someone over here
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I think there's this Android version which will ensure compatibility between single core phones and dual core apps... I think this should be 2.4. Or is this already in 2.3.3?
3.1 should be one version for tablets and phones...
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I think there's this Android version which will ensure compatibility between single core phones and dual core apps... I think this should be 2.4. Or is this already in 2.3.3?
3.1 should be one version for tablets and phones...
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I think that the phone makers wouldnt want to miss the opportunity to draw a line between single cores and double cores as this is a major selling point for them. or at least they want it to be. so maybe 2.3.3 means basic compatibility and 2.4 extended double core bling bling.
The is the first phone to excite me since the DHD was released. Definitely something I'd consider when it comes to upgrade, although in 18 months when my upgrade is due I'll sure there will be something better.
Here's hoping HTC don't continue their current trend of locking down the bootloader.
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The is the first phone to excite me since the DHD was released. Definitely something I'd consider when it comes to upgrade, although in 18 months when my upgrade is due I'll sure there will be something better.
Here's hoping HTC don't continue their current trend of locking down the bootloader.
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Damn, never heard of that... If they are going the Motorola way they are loosing 70% of their customers I guess...
Diamondback2010 said:
Damn, never heard of that... If they are going the Motorola way they are loosing 70% of their customers I guess...
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Agreed.
"Hackability" is the reason my last two phones have been HTC.
Come to daddy
Nice phone indeed, but I guess I can still wait a bit, at least as long as I haven't got the rest out of my DHD yet ^^
But it's funny to see the cubic screen switching which the LauncherPro also supports. And indeed, the lockscreen looks pretty nice
Its a great phone and now the confusion starts EVO 3D or Pyramid