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What's Up with you guys and Kingklick?

Why is everyone disrespecting King? Why has he become such a major target?
Please don't flame the guy on this thread. I actually like his ROM's but I would love to see the other side of the spectrum.
If you do start flaming then I will have this thread closed. I just want information!
And maybe you guys don't care, in that case this all went to waste. But for the people who actually have sufficient reason to dislike his ROMs or him or both, please post why here because this is really curious..

I want you to take a look at the dev section....All of his threads are locked for some unknown reason...And people flame his because they are trolling..That is what people do when they have nothing better to do, they want to make themselves feel better.

This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
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Yeah I just saw that. that's the first time I ever saw that man..damn.

JAguirre1231 said:
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
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lol I don't get what your trying to say =P im kind of slow at times.

JAguirre1231 said:
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
Lol that's funny, but you have a point though. Sometimes after someone comes with something new, ex jubeh he makes his own ver with same bugs. I'm not saying anything bad just that's something ive noticed.
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Macrophage001 said:
lol I don't get what your trying to say =P im kind of slow at times.
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"Gonna go work on some Slide now"
"Now Viewing CR_Slide Official Development Thread"
Not exact quotes, but they say the same thing.

yeah I got it now...well ok so I get how that looks...

Macrophage001 said:
yeah I got it now...well ok so I get how that looks...
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You know there's a saying back on my home country, "You play with fire, then fire burn you", but ever since i move to new country of america, now its, "You play with fire, firemen save You!". This new place is not the same like bhak home, it is not as nice but the technology is everywhere.

Well I don't know how those sayings apply here...I don't think he's been "playing with fire" and even if he has, well then it seems like he has a second skin because it hasn't burned him yet. The dude, in my opinion, is tough enough to be able to take such harsh criticism and still make those ROMs for people. I mean even if the ROMs have bugs in them, which ones don't? And if all this stuff about him using other ROMs is true, then why didn't you guys say anything immediately? I mean you don't have to take it so far as to close every thread but I think a simple warning would have sufficed.
But that's only if he did/does that..
That's just my view on the subject.

Macrophage001 said:
Well I don't know how those sayings apply here...I don't think he's been "playing with fire" and even if he has, well then it seems like he has a second skin because it hasn't burned him yet. The dude, in my opinion, is tough enough to be able to take such harsh criticism and still make those ROMs for people. I mean even if the ROMs have bugs in them, which ones don't? And if all this stuff about him using other ROMs is true, then why didn't you guys say anything immediately? I mean you don't have to take it so far as to close every thread but I think a simple warning would have sufficed.
But that's only if he did/does that..
That's just my view on the subject.
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You see back in my home country we do things based on perseverance not relevance, it is tricky here in this new country of America.There are many bad men here, unlike bhak home where we handle problem like this:
We say is there a problem here?
They say yes there problem
Then they fhite it out till one wins, but here in my new home country of america the government people are also bad men, they say economy is bhad, but i see they wase much money. /s
Also I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to lock all of his threads..it will push other ones away.

I don't see the problem.

likebutta said:
I don't see the problem.
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Just like causin used to say, "when you go lookin four trouble, then trouble fine you". I sure do miss those olde times, it's not the same anymore . Dhere may bee know problem but don't worry, dhere's nothing to worry about.
Just like olde friend used to tell me bhak in my country.

Just about every, if not all, of the ROMs produced by kingklick are ripoffs from another ROM. The most he will do is add some new gapps, mess around with the build.prop, zip it up and call it his own and beg for donations.
It's been proven on numerous occasions by comparing md5sums of every file in his ROM against another's ROM (which was out first). Guess what? They match! His argument is that we are building the same source, of course they will match! Sounds logical to the day to day user, but the truth is that would never happen, unless by chance kingklick and the other developer were building on the exact same machine.
My $0.02

ctso said:
Just about every, if not all, of the ROMs produced by kingklick are ripoffs from another ROM. The most he will do is add some new gapps, mess around with the build.prop, zip it up and call it his own and beg for donations.
It's been proven on numerous occasions by comparing md5sums of every file in his ROM against another's ROM (which was out first). Guess what? They match! His argument is that we are building the same source, of course they will match! Sounds logical to the day to day user, but the truth is that would never happen, unless by chance kingklick and the other developer were building on the exact same machine.
My $0.02
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Correct, the MD5 sums would not match even if the code was compiled from the exact same source.
For fun, lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt: Suppose that hypothetically he's right and the reason that the MD5 sums match is that hes' compiled the same code. What's concerning here is the HUGE percentage of files that he's not changed.
We're back at square one, that he simply renames another ROM and calls it his own.

Thats the worse part about it, charging for work thats not even his.
If you were the REAL developer I bet you would be mad.
Think about it, its like someone taking credit putting your work out there again and essentially stealing it.... all of it your blood, sweat, time and countless hours of changes until satisfied.
Im amazed more people are not pissed off about this.

Hmm...then who's Blur ROM did he steal? He's one of the only devs I knew that was working on it for the G1 and now the Nexus.
But regardless, his md5sum line doesn't make any sense and it's odd that he'ld use it on xda out of all places. Him looking at a Slide thread a minute later is funny, but not any concrete piece of evidence. However it's the md5sums being the same that doesn't make sense. Even if he got the same md5sum somehow, how is it a different ROM if the vast majority of files are unchanged. I guess the question then is how many files differ between ROMs typically?
Disappointing...

Deathwish238 said:
I guess the question then is how many files differ between ROMs typically?
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There isnt a typical answer for that question. The number of files whose md5sums differ is going to be entirely dependent on how many files have been changed. So for someone compiling their own rom completely from source, as kingklick said he did, every single file would be different.
The more common scenario is if you have two people making roms and adding in bits of their own flavor. In that case, they could be using many of the same files and changing only what they wish. But generally, people who do that state what they did and dont try to lie through their teeth about it by claiming that the rom is entirely their own work.
the main point of all the 'drama' surrounding this is that this isnt the first time this has happened with him. he has had previous occasions where it has been definitively proven that he stole other people's work, branded it as his own and then used it to garner donations for himself. ctso's work was one of the instances in which kingklick did so.
god only knows how many people he duped into donating money to him by allowing them to think that it was his hard work that turned out the rom. it's deceitful. legal circles call it fraud. unfortunately there is no law regarding whats going on here, so the worst that will happen to him is that his roms get pulled and he gets banned.

where do you thing the word #kang comes from
the main problem started a few months back eugene and cyanogen posted roms then king posted saying he had fixed problems.
eugene and cyanogen looked for some hidden text they put in there and they found it everytime in kings so called fixes all eugene and cyanogen wanted was some respect for fixing but king kept saying he had fixed it
so many times he was caught
also he said eugene faked his own house being robbed and phones and pc being stolen
so all people want is respect for thinks they have fixed

It is the donation thing that riles people up. He was gone from this community for some time and then hacked up a fur ball of a froyo rom. His developing skills may be questionable but his marketing skills are unparalleled.

2.2 Root Bounty - $20 - Please Sticky - Please Join

I am surprised this doesn't exist yet. I searched and didn't see one specifically for root. So I would like to ask that it be stickied.
I am pledging $10 for a post 2.2 working root. Anyone else want to add? I will keep track here and update the total.
Pledge List:
1. edufur.............. $10
2. mdassad........... $10
Total $20

I'll throw in $10.

Ever hear of a search http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751051&highlight=bounty

063_XOBX said:
Ever hear of a search http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751051&highlight=bounty
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That didn't come up in my search.. and IMO, that thread should be shut down since his bounty is one day past expriration. I am not expiring my offer. And I am keeping track of it.

Maybe you should look at what happened to the PRI upgrade bounty in the Development section. I agree with the OP of that thread - bounties should be banned from XDA.

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My humble opinion I would have to agree with silver. Bounties tend to cloud the focus of the overall objective and could lead to somewhat shady end results. In this case of froyo root believe me the devs have this as a top priority and bounties are not going to achieve a faster result. It would probably be best if one would donate to them now as it could lighten the load and burden now when it really counts.

This is counterproductive as much as you think your helping. Pretty soon nothing around here is ganna get done without a bounty, and the whole development thread is ganna be slowed to a halt with devs waiting for a bounty before they do any work. Plus Android isnt owned by anyone of us to claim a bounty for developing on, if you wanna make money through it, there are channels like through the market. Donations are for Churches/Charities so what you are basically doing is bribing people to do the work.

edufur said:
That didn't come up in my search.. and IMO, that thread should be shut down since his bounty is one day past expriration. I am not expiring my offer. And I am keeping track of it.
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That was only one of a few root bounty threads. I personally completely derailed one of them (I'm not proud of myself) trying to make the same points that others have made in this thread, but they were much more eloquent here than I was there. I know its hard to believe, but I was a total ass in that thread.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah

A sticky? Are you serious?

im in for 10 smackaroos

cardiox said:
My humble opinion I would have to agree with silver. Bounties tend to cloud the focus of the overall objective and could lead to somewhat shady end results. In this case of froyo root believe me the devs have this as a top priority and bounties are not going to achieve a faster result. It would probably be best if one would donate to them now as it could lighten the load and burden now when it really counts.
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How do you figure? The only dev Ive even heard comment on it stated that they hadnt worked on it at all because they were working on something else instead.

MadFlava said:
How do you figure? The only dev Ive even heard comment on it stated that they hadnt worked on it at all because they were working on something else instead.
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Ya and what was that? The PRI fix? The whole point of rooting is to achieve the best possible tweak of code that gives us the best possible Android experience overall. The only logical step forward is to root froyo. If nothing more it might contain the ingredients for us to eventually root Gingerbread when we get it. Believe me rooting froyo is a top priority.

MadFlava said:
How do you figure? The only dev Ive even heard comment on it stated that they hadnt worked on it at all because they were working on something else instead.
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The unrevoked twitter feed hinted they were working on it this morning.
"You can expect another face on the wall of phones soon. 2.2 folks: stuff is coming
down the pipeline. Inc folks: use Forever before the OTA!"
http //twitter com/unrevoked/status/21474389447

If you want the unRevoked team to work on this and you want to help them out, then go to their site and donate to the EFF. If you really want to show your support, then donate NOW, not after they then find the hack. Anyone can donate AFTER but only those truly serious will show their support now. So go to their page and show you are serious and show your support.

MadFlava said:
How do you figure? The only dev Ive even heard comment on it stated that they hadnt worked on it at all because they were working on something else instead.
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Exactly. Unrevoked is the only one I've seen even hint towards it. I think, most of the hardcore devs got their device when it came out and have had root since 2.1, aren't willing to loose root and therefor development time for other projects, and probably don't want to spend a few hundred bucks to buy a cold unit out of contract to test with.
My suggestion: all you bounty guys chip in your milk money together, start buying devices and giving them as gifts of gratitude towards your favorite devs. Devs do this for fun on their own time and surely wouldn't mind having their name on the end-all-be-all-2.2-exploit, but probably don't want it bad enough to go blow a few hundred bucks on. My $0.02 anyway...

cardiox said:
Ya and what was that? The PRI fix? The whole point of rooting is to achieve the best possible tweak of code that gives us the best possible Android experience overall. The only logical step forward is to root froyo. If nothing more it might contain the ingredients for us to eventually root Gingerbread when we get it. Believe me rooting froyo is a top priority.
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No... it wasnt the PRI fix and thanks for confirming what I said. The 2.2 root has not been being worked on, at least according to the only devs that have spoken up. They dont consider it important, their words, not mine.

MadFlava said:
The 2.2 root has not been being worked on, at least according to the only devs that have spoken up. They dont consider it important, their words, not mine.
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Well duh. You are talking to the wrong group. You need to talk to the hackers.

MadFlava said:
No... it wasnt the PRI fix and thanks for confirming what I said. The 2.2 root has not been being worked on, at least according to the only devs that have spoken up. They dont consider it important, their words, not mine.
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The whole challenge for a hacker is too hack something that has not been hacked. Pardon me but the last I heard 2.1 was hacked and now the PRI is fixed. Ya I confirmed that much...your welcome. Hackers don't go around babbling about what they are doing until they achieve it then make their mark.

Ever wonder if devs withhold stuff from the community?

This guy has been coming into the Fascinate channel for the last two days rubbing our face in it. While we aren't pleased, I can only imagine what the Epic folks must be thinking.
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If someone doesn't want to leak something, cool, but don't brag about it and make others feel bad that they can't have it, imo.

Meh. The "whining about noobnl bragging about Froyo" thread is ========> this way.
This is Development, not General! </backseatmod>

Yeah yeah, he has froyo.. woop'd ****in do. We will all have it soon. Hopefully one of the devs who does have it, actually makes some progress in getting a root for it when release comes, otherwise stop being such a fricken baby about the ****. It is, what it is. The more we talk about it, the more they get their head blown up like a balloon thinking they are the froyo beta developer cool kids.
Just let it go.

Guys, Idgaf that he has it. This is just not what I consider to be behavior that fuels a community, but instead hinders it. I wouldn't have posted, had I known about the other thread prior.

adrynalyne said:
Guys, Idgaf that he has it. This is just not what I consider to be behavior that fuels a community, but instead hinders it. I wouldn't have posted, had I known about the other thread prior.
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Aye, bragging doesn't do anything. But what can ye do?

The leaked "Rom" is nowhere near ready for prime time so noob decided not to publicly release it so a bunch of people don't complain it broke their phones, so stfu already he did you guys a favor
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063_XOBX said:
The leaked "Rom" is nowhere near ready for prime time so noob decided not to publicly release it so a bunch of people don't complain it broke their phones, so stfu already he did you guys a favor
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lol n00b
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n00b

For the leg humpers out there, the point is that it is not considered acceptable behavior to rub it into other people's faces.
Thats got nothing to do with bugs, or him doing anyone a favor.

Kind of reminds me of my kid with a new toy. Of course he wants you to see it, but he isn't gonna let you play with it for a while. If he acts that way, then of course he is burying himself in the long run. There will be plenty of developers for 2.2 when it gets here that are gonna do great things and that maybe he can't keep up with alone. Everyone wants their 15 min of fame.

063_XOBX said:
The leaked "Rom" is nowhere near ready for prime time
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I think Devs have one hand down their pants when they say stuff like this. Getting off on people giving them power.
Notice noobnl had to tweet to all the major android new sites with a screenshot. Sure he's holding it back for our good, but might as well get his name out there in the meantime right?
I've been through this with damage's shenanigans on the hero with 2.1. Its the same tired excuses.
Fact is the more eyes we have looking at the code, the more quickly it'll get to working status. It's about a community working together.

akijikan said:
I think Devs have one hand down their pants when they say stuff like this. Getting off on people giving them power.
Notice noobnl had to tweet to all the major android new sites with a screenshot. Sure he's holding it back for our good, but might as well get his name out there in the meantime right?
I've been through this with damage's shenanigans on the hero with 2.1. Its the same tired excuses.
Fact is the more eyes we have looking at the code, the more quickly it'll get to working status. It's about a community working together.
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You are right about noobnl, absolutely, but wrong about the rom. Why would we even want a beta rom that can somehow be shoehorned on our device that is SEMI working when the real official release is happening within weeks? Sure he is doing it for attention and making a big show of having the rom and not releasing it, he did the same gloating nonsense when that Epic Experience thread was pulled and he posted about how the development scene wouldn't be **** without him.
But again, its senseless to release a semi functional rom. The person who leaked it to noobnl even said it was kinda buggy. We will get the legit one soon enough. Its good at least at this point that talented people like noobnl have access to it so they can make sure there is a root available for it on release day.

Let's clear some things up.
First: I have no comments to make about noobnl's behaviour regarding his having a copy of the froyo leak. I don't feel like throwing more kindle on the flames.
Second: Several devs have copies of the same froyo leak. Who they are is unimportant, but it's out there.
Third: Yes, the ROM is incredibly buggy. The modem crashes constantly, market downloads are intermittent (as well as missing protected apps). And even though it has JIT, things are laggy (most noticeable when scrolling the app drawer). As a kernel dev, I can't tell you the amount of frustration I have, because I can't do anything until source code drops.
Lastly, and most importantly: There are hints all over the rom about where it came from, some evidence is not removable (references to developers in the initramfs, we don't have source to rebuild the kernel, modifying the initramfs would result in a brick). I think I speak for most of us when I say:
Their jobs are more important than your instant gratification.
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yea, like take tehdarkknight for instance hes been bragging about having phoenix kernel version 1.74 up and running for a week now, which includes JIT and has linpack of 90.00

shabbypenguin said:
yea, like take tehdarkknight for instance hes been bragging about having phoenix kernel version 1.74 up and running for a week now, which includes JIT and has linpack of 90.00
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i for one wont donate to noob since i dont use his stuff so as long as noone else does everything is good
plus theres always a way to get donations back

cool take your ball and go home, let me know how kylecole is doing....

churro7 said:
i for one wont donate to noob since i dont use his stuff so as long as noone else does everything is good
plus theres always a way to get donations back
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Lol, you dont use his stuff? Really? Are you rooted?

Darkshneider said:
Lol, you dont use his stuff? Really? Are you rooted?
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indeed and dont start bending over ur fav dev ur opinion doesnt matter im just stating my opinion which also doesnt matter

Im all against devs hoggin **** for themselves, but the guy does deserve credit for what he has done for the Epic.
If they are or arent doing it, is up to them and they are the only ones who know, just be patient and **** will get done.
Its the Hero all over again...

Im getting sick of seeing this bs.. Most of you people who are complaining isnt doing a damn thing to contribute to this community.. Be glad you have a nice phone.. And all this bashing noob noob needs to stop.. for all this **** he has done for you ungreatful bastards.. I would understand if he dint release ****..

[Port] Amazing Rom!!

I do not have talent when it comes to working with porting roms but I do know that our Hero dev team is one of the best. I am looking for people to help port this Evo rom that I found to our Hero. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144447 The OP said that we could work on the port when I asked him through PM

rizdog23 said:
I do not have talent when it comes to working with porting roms but I do know that our Hero dev team is one of the best. I am looking for people to help port this Evo rom that I found to our Hero. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144447 The OP said that we could work on the port when I asked him through PM
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Awesome!

if this is possible i might keep my hero haha

There is currently work being done to port over a sense 3.0 /gingerbread rom. It is very difficult to make work on the heroc... Is this rom from a cdma or gsm?
nandroids are for
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If you want a rom like that, buy an evo. This is the hero c We have half the processing power, mdpi screens, no flash support, and way less internal memory.
Be happy with 2.3.4 gingerbread, even running it is a small miracle.
Edit: The big thing about that rom is all the high powered features. Netflix and the like just aren't possible on the hero as far as I know c Buy an Evo or try the port that's already been mentioned
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Blah, double post...

rubyknight said:
If you want a rom like that, buy and evo. This is the hero c We have half the processing power, mdpi screens, no flash support, and way less internal memory.
Be happy with 2.3.4 gingerbread, even running it is a small miracle.
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Even if it were possible to get half the stuff from that rom working, it would be slow as molasses, buggy as a bees nest, and probably not worth the effort (except maybe from a "just to see if I can do it" standpoint). like ruby said, most of that is made for better hardware, and after you take all that out, you've just got rosie 3.0....
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Tk's gingersense rom is more than enough for me..
and the way things are moving along with it I don't think it will be to much longer before everything is fully functional. :]

yea as far as porting that rom to the heroc you are looking at alot of work esp since sense is closed source and the evo uses an ARM7 processor and the hero has an ARM6. this is also why there has been little luck with a MIUI rom for us too
myn is an awesome guy and i have been using his roms forever (since donut), and trust me i would love to see this on the heroC infact if you flash tazz4.1 in the gingersense thread myn's wallpaper is the default along with the TwoPointTwo theme, but sadly its just not likely since the 2 phones are very different.

Why is this in the development section? Seriously? What made you think this went here?

LiquidSolstice said:
Why is this in the development section? Seriously? What made you think this went here?
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It is something that would need developed? Plus putting it in the dev section is the best way to attract dev's attention. Seriously? What made you think to post this question?

rizdog23 said:
It is something that would need developed? Plus putting it in the dev section is the best way to attract dev's attention. Seriously? What made you think to post this question?
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No, the best way to attract the dev's attention is to PM the dev.
You don't put a link to a ROM that is not even remotely started for our device with the tag "[Port]" and the title "Amazing Rom!!". Is this rocket science to you?
If you named it something more along the lines of "[WIP/Devs Needed] Possible Synergy Port?" That would have made way more sense. Instead, there's people clicking on this and assuming it's a ROM, and then we'll have pages and pages of people asking for ETAs (or even possibly people trying to flash the Synergy ROM from your link).
Did you even bother to look and see what the current Sense Gingerbread build status was? Or did you assume that just because a dev of a ROM for an entirely different (and way higher specced device, I might add) told you in a PM that you have his permission to port the ROM, that it was logical to make a thread about it?
The most logical thing to do would have been to ask thoughtlesskyle what he thought of the idea of porting it, as he obviously is the most experienced porter on the HeroC forums now that NFX and Zenulator have left.
But it's ok, you're right, you're not a dev, and this thread will probably go for a few pages and then die when people realize that this isn't going to happen. TK is doing insanely great work on the port we already have, this is just a waste of time.

In all honesty, the only waste of time here was your long rant about a screw up in the title. Apparently you are mister amazing and never made a single mistake. I forgot that you were the golden boy of XDA. Oh wait, you are not. You are just a regular person with a little more experience on the site than me. I purposely put the misconceptious title in there so that it would attract more people. When you say [Devs Needed] a lot of people pass it over. Now if you would spend your time developing instead of figuring out ways to insult people over a website. I realize that this rom is very advanced and its about 95 percent positive that it never would or could get ported but at the same time thats exactly what was said about froyo and gingerbread....but guess what, they did! Now obviously it would not run as smooth or anything but it would be quite nice just to see that we could.

dude go to hell are you seriously flaming liquid right now? obviously you being a noob you have no idea what hes done for the heroc community, you made a mistake and your at fault here so stop trying to put it on someone else and and man the [email protected]#ck up!

rizdog23 said:
In all honesty, the only waste of time here was your long rant about a screw up in the title. ......I purposely put the misconceptious title in there so that it would attract more people. When you say [Devs Needed] a lot of people pass it over.
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Exactly. That's the point.
nandroids are for
sissies

Bierce22 said:
dude go to hell are you seriously flaming liquid right now? obviously you being a noob you have no idea what hes done for the heroc community, you made a mistake and your at fault here so stop trying to put it on someone else and and man the [email protected]#ck up!
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Just because he has done a lot does not mean he is not a ****. Just because I've been here a short while, i am not a true noob. I knew quite a bit about android before ever coming here. I realize my screw up was bad and i admitted that but that does not excuse his attitude. I never put my fault on him, i put his own on him. Case in point go "[email protected]#ck" yourself....btw there is not 5 letters in the word you are referring to.

you say your not a noob but u go around asking questions like this?
rizdog23 said:
Hey guys i just used the RUU and then re-rooted. My question is what setup do you guys suggest. Im not just talking about which rom i should use this time (i was previously using cm 7.0.3). I mean what ROM, KERNEL, MODS, SCRPITS, PATCHES, ETC. I want my phone to be as fast as possible because i am tired of the hero's lag. I love my phone but frankly i have got to speed it up since im still like 4 months from getting a new phone (Hopefully a Nexus 3!!)
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Bierce22 said:
you say your not a noob but u go around asking questions like this?
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Ive been rooted and all of that for months. The reason i asked that is because obviously i have not tried everything out there, no one has. I wanted to get peoples feed back on different things they have tried that maybe i have not seen before. It was not my first time doing all of that stuff and in all honesty i just wanted something "Fresh" on my phone. I did not want to use the usual CM7 with fr partition and ram optimizer. I wanted to get a different result. Obviously I could go out and test multiple combos together but I was hoping to get the whole communities feed back since our hero is starting to stand on its last leg and we have all had time to test multiple things.

i just reported this thread to a moderator and u should be banned from xda.

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[Q] New developer in the making...

I've decided to try be a contributor to this community however im already stumbled on my first step which is how do I get Eclipse installed and working. I've googled this and I get outdated links, download wrong Java packages etc. So if someone could spell it out with links below. That would be much appreciated!

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Watch this video, should explain how to set it up.

You don't install Eclipse, it's a stand alone package rolled up in a zip/tar file. You extract it, double-click on the .exe (if windows) and it will run.
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-classic-371/indigosr1

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STFU, at the least the guy is trying. Contribute or get out of here.
OP: Are you trying to write apps, or develop ROM / port things for the phone.
If you're trying to write apps, this might a good reference point:
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/projects/projects-eclipse.html
However, this may not be the right forum if you're trying to learn how to do that.
If you want to make ROMs or port.... that's considerably tougher and you usually don't use Eclipse for that....

ddrbeastappv1 said:
I've decided to try be a contributor to this community however im already stumbled on my first step which is how do I get Eclipse installed and working. I've googled this and I get outdated links, download wrong Java packages etc. So if someone could spell it out with links below. That would be much appreciated!
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Google Search has been most helpful for me for porting MIUI. Also, if you can't find what you're looking for on google, go to webchat.irondust.net and join the #epic room. Devs can help you there, but google first please.

jnadke said:
STFU, at the least the guy is trying. Contribute or get out of here.
OP: Are you trying to write apps, or develop ROM / port things for the phone.
If you're trying to write apps, this might a good reference point:
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/projects/projects-eclipse.html
However, this may not be the right forum if you're trying to learn how to do that.
If you want to make ROMs or port.... that's considerably tougher and you usually don't use Eclipse for that....
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double lols
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Don't really care about this guy. At least I got my answer. Tysm for the video link. The first thing the video discusses is how confusing it is to get started just trying to download JDK.
Secondly, I plan on first making some basic apps and understanding the way Android works. Then, possibly may go more advanced with themeing and such.
Lastly, I want to point out I'm not alone in this post. YES you can GOOGLE what I asked for in this thread. Hardly any of your search results you get back from Google will be clear and concise and I appreciate some people understanding that not everyone is fluent in the ways of Android development.
I flashed mostly everything interesting on these forums whether its roms or themes or mods. I look up to the developers at ACS among all the others.
I believe this is a relevant post and a lot of people feel the same way I do.
Thank you.

I am also heading down this path. Do you have programming experience?
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ddrbeastappv1 said:
Don't really care about this guy. At least I got my answer. Tysm for the video link. The first thing the video discusses is how confusing it is to get started just trying to download JDK.
Secondly, I plan on first making some basic apps and understanding the way Android works. Then, possibly may go more advanced with themeing and such.
Lastly, I want to point out I'm not alone in this post. YES you can GOOGLE what I asked for in this thread. Hardly any of your search results you get back from Google will be clear and concise and I appreciate some people understanding that not everyone is fluent in the ways of Android development.
I flashed mostly everything interesting on these forums whether its roms or themes or mods. I look up to the developers at ACS among all the others.
I believe this is a relevant post and a lot of people feel the same way I do.
Thank you.
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Theming/ROM/Kernel development are seperate from app development, as I'm sure you are aware. Two different beasts entirely, actually. I would start with ROM and theming ventures first to really learn how the operating system works, then move to kernel development to see how things are actually interacting.
App development is a whole 'nother ballgame, writing apps in Java is really the nitty gritty of the works. To understand this, it would help to know how things in the OS work.
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globalninja said:
I am also heading down this path. Do you have programming experience?
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Yes I do. I've had experience in Java it's just been years! But um I don't think the basics of programming will be any trouble. I've already attempted to read up on some Android Programming Tutorials. My main hurdle was getting this set up on my computer so I could follow along with a guide. I do realize themeing and developing are apples and oranges but they are both interesting to me. I read someone's post long ago (not sure who) to begin writing apps and then maybe try one's luck to create ROMs.

Hey bud, congrats on trying to learn this stuff. We at ERA started out just as you did about 3-4 months ago with a similar post. It is tough going at first but there are plenty of people out they're willing to help. The devs in this community are great and I feel confident in speaking for ERA, and from coming from where you are, that if you need any help or have questions feel fee to pm us and we'll do our best to help.
Like I said it was a post like this, a couple dudes messing around on our free time, and some great help that led to what our team has become, so anything is possible, bro. Good luck.
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stormglove said:
Hey bud, congrats on trying to learn this stuff. We at ERA started out just as you did about 3-4 months ago with a similar post. It is tough going at first but there are plenty of people out they're willing to help. The devs in this community are great and I feel confident in speaking for ERA, and from coming from where you are, that if you need any help or have questions feel fee to pm us and we'll do our best to help.
Like I said it was a post like this, a couple dudes messing around on our free time, and some great help that led to what our team has become, so anything is possible, bro. Good luck.
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+1. Anything is possible. Just do your best, and you'll get there. Speaking of that thread, I seriously cant believe its been that long already...seems like yesterday we started.
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Hey thanks! That's even more inspiring to hear from you guys at ERA especially since i'm enjoying the new legendary ROM... And wow 3-4 months ago? I highly doubt I'll get to that level in that same amount of time but I've flashed everything for this epic and we all know at some point we're going to run out of things to flash until we figure out how to port ICS over. That's the time I would like to be a contributor to the development for this phone. thank you so much for the support!
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