Why is everyone disrespecting King? Why has he become such a major target?
Please don't flame the guy on this thread. I actually like his ROM's but I would love to see the other side of the spectrum.
If you do start flaming then I will have this thread closed. I just want information!
And maybe you guys don't care, in that case this all went to waste. But for the people who actually have sufficient reason to dislike his ROMs or him or both, please post why here because this is really curious..
I want you to take a look at the dev section....All of his threads are locked for some unknown reason...And people flame his because they are trolling..That is what people do when they have nothing better to do, they want to make themselves feel better.
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
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Yeah I just saw that. that's the first time I ever saw that man..damn.
JAguirre1231 said:
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
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lol I don't get what your trying to say =P im kind of slow at times.
JAguirre1231 said:
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
Lol that's funny, but you have a point though. Sometimes after someone comes with something new, ex jubeh he makes his own ver with same bugs. I'm not saying anything bad just that's something ive noticed.
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lol I don't get what your trying to say =P im kind of slow at times.
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"Gonna go work on some Slide now"
"Now Viewing CR_Slide Official Development Thread"
Not exact quotes, but they say the same thing.
yeah I got it now...well ok so I get how that looks...
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yeah I got it now...well ok so I get how that looks...
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You know there's a saying back on my home country, "You play with fire, then fire burn you", but ever since i move to new country of america, now its, "You play with fire, firemen save You!". This new place is not the same like bhak home, it is not as nice but the technology is everywhere.
Well I don't know how those sayings apply here...I don't think he's been "playing with fire" and even if he has, well then it seems like he has a second skin because it hasn't burned him yet. The dude, in my opinion, is tough enough to be able to take such harsh criticism and still make those ROMs for people. I mean even if the ROMs have bugs in them, which ones don't? And if all this stuff about him using other ROMs is true, then why didn't you guys say anything immediately? I mean you don't have to take it so far as to close every thread but I think a simple warning would have sufficed.
But that's only if he did/does that..
That's just my view on the subject.
Macrophage001 said:
Well I don't know how those sayings apply here...I don't think he's been "playing with fire" and even if he has, well then it seems like he has a second skin because it hasn't burned him yet. The dude, in my opinion, is tough enough to be able to take such harsh criticism and still make those ROMs for people. I mean even if the ROMs have bugs in them, which ones don't? And if all this stuff about him using other ROMs is true, then why didn't you guys say anything immediately? I mean you don't have to take it so far as to close every thread but I think a simple warning would have sufficed.
But that's only if he did/does that..
That's just my view on the subject.
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You see back in my home country we do things based on perseverance not relevance, it is tricky here in this new country of America.There are many bad men here, unlike bhak home where we handle problem like this:
We say is there a problem here?
They say yes there problem
Then they fhite it out till one wins, but here in my new home country of america the government people are also bad men, they say economy is bhad, but i see they wase much money. /s
Also I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to lock all of his threads..it will push other ones away.
I don't see the problem.
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I don't see the problem.
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Just like causin used to say, "when you go lookin four trouble, then trouble fine you". I sure do miss those olde times, it's not the same anymore . Dhere may bee know problem but don't worry, dhere's nothing to worry about.
Just like olde friend used to tell me bhak in my country.
Just about every, if not all, of the ROMs produced by kingklick are ripoffs from another ROM. The most he will do is add some new gapps, mess around with the build.prop, zip it up and call it his own and beg for donations.
It's been proven on numerous occasions by comparing md5sums of every file in his ROM against another's ROM (which was out first). Guess what? They match! His argument is that we are building the same source, of course they will match! Sounds logical to the day to day user, but the truth is that would never happen, unless by chance kingklick and the other developer were building on the exact same machine.
My $0.02
ctso said:
Just about every, if not all, of the ROMs produced by kingklick are ripoffs from another ROM. The most he will do is add some new gapps, mess around with the build.prop, zip it up and call it his own and beg for donations.
It's been proven on numerous occasions by comparing md5sums of every file in his ROM against another's ROM (which was out first). Guess what? They match! His argument is that we are building the same source, of course they will match! Sounds logical to the day to day user, but the truth is that would never happen, unless by chance kingklick and the other developer were building on the exact same machine.
My $0.02
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Correct, the MD5 sums would not match even if the code was compiled from the exact same source.
For fun, lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt: Suppose that hypothetically he's right and the reason that the MD5 sums match is that hes' compiled the same code. What's concerning here is the HUGE percentage of files that he's not changed.
We're back at square one, that he simply renames another ROM and calls it his own.
Thats the worse part about it, charging for work thats not even his.
If you were the REAL developer I bet you would be mad.
Think about it, its like someone taking credit putting your work out there again and essentially stealing it.... all of it your blood, sweat, time and countless hours of changes until satisfied.
Im amazed more people are not pissed off about this.
Hmm...then who's Blur ROM did he steal? He's one of the only devs I knew that was working on it for the G1 and now the Nexus.
But regardless, his md5sum line doesn't make any sense and it's odd that he'ld use it on xda out of all places. Him looking at a Slide thread a minute later is funny, but not any concrete piece of evidence. However it's the md5sums being the same that doesn't make sense. Even if he got the same md5sum somehow, how is it a different ROM if the vast majority of files are unchanged. I guess the question then is how many files differ between ROMs typically?
Disappointing...
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I guess the question then is how many files differ between ROMs typically?
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There isnt a typical answer for that question. The number of files whose md5sums differ is going to be entirely dependent on how many files have been changed. So for someone compiling their own rom completely from source, as kingklick said he did, every single file would be different.
The more common scenario is if you have two people making roms and adding in bits of their own flavor. In that case, they could be using many of the same files and changing only what they wish. But generally, people who do that state what they did and dont try to lie through their teeth about it by claiming that the rom is entirely their own work.
the main point of all the 'drama' surrounding this is that this isnt the first time this has happened with him. he has had previous occasions where it has been definitively proven that he stole other people's work, branded it as his own and then used it to garner donations for himself. ctso's work was one of the instances in which kingklick did so.
god only knows how many people he duped into donating money to him by allowing them to think that it was his hard work that turned out the rom. it's deceitful. legal circles call it fraud. unfortunately there is no law regarding whats going on here, so the worst that will happen to him is that his roms get pulled and he gets banned.
where do you thing the word #kang comes from
the main problem started a few months back eugene and cyanogen posted roms then king posted saying he had fixed problems.
eugene and cyanogen looked for some hidden text they put in there and they found it everytime in kings so called fixes all eugene and cyanogen wanted was some respect for fixing but king kept saying he had fixed it
so many times he was caught
also he said eugene faked his own house being robbed and phones and pc being stolen
so all people want is respect for thinks they have fixed
It is the donation thing that riles people up. He was gone from this community for some time and then hacked up a fur ball of a froyo rom. His developing skills may be questionable but his marketing skills are unparalleled.
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Not sure if this is the right forum, but I was wondering if anyone had seen LegolasTheElf. Trying to sort something out and I have not gotten a repsonse to my PM. He is usually prompt.
He got mad and left right after he got banned. Post your problem, I'm sure someone can help.
I think he's hanging out over at HTC-Devs.com
I've seen a few posts from him over there
Thanks Timtown.
I know where the fool is...
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
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I'm one of the senior guys from XDA -- look for any posts by LegolasTheElf on XDA and you'll see what I mean
Anyways, I'm one of the experts on the HTC TyTn/Hermes/8525. I thought I'd introduce myself here, and offer some assistance.
Here are MY ground rules:
1) If you keep asking me the same questions over and over again, don't be surprised that I either don't answer you, or give you a really stupid answer.
2) I can tell you what you need to know to get WM6 on your device WITHOUT bricking it. I can FIX bricks. Here's the deal. If you want general help, that's great. I can do it. If you want 1-on-1 support, you'll need to PM me and make arrangements to compensate me.
Anyways, I'm not going to be on XDA again, for a while.. So, HoFo just gained a HTC expert
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The "Expert" showed up at HoFo offering his god like service to the pions. Please take this fool back!
dkb218 said:
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
The "Expert" showed up at HoFo offering his god like service to the pions. Please take this fool back!
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LOL....he's getting around a bit then - I've seen him "hanging with JJ" over at 4winmobile too
Having gotten himself and his alter ego (xQx) banned by shogunmark, I'm sure he's bound to (try to?) sneak back under the radar to taunt some poor unsuspecting n00b
For now, at least, the Elf's on the dark side
Mark.
Legolas is saying on HoFo that he was banned because he criticized a Moderator. Just for the record, that is not the reason he was banned and the decision was not taken lightly.
To keep the spirit and quality of this site we will not tolerate abusive language particularly when used to describe other members, or those who cannot accept that this is a community where the opinions of others deserve respect.
We do accept freedom of expression where it is politely and intelligently expressed and does not constitute a personal and abusive attack on other forum users.
Members need only use common sense to see the boundary between reasonable good behaviour and repeatedly going too far.
This is not a forum where people should be tuning in to be voyeurs to the latest tirade of flaming and colourful language - there's lots of other fora you can go to for that.
Here endeth the lesson - now let's have some fun
Mike
Yes, he has been welcomed into HOFO with warmth and open arms. I expect he will be their senior mod soon!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
JasenR said:
Yes, he has been welcomed into HOFO with warmth and open arms. I expect he will be their senior mod soon!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
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lol..wow...
Ive seen Logolas shoot out some serious flames before. But reading the reast of that hofo post, it seems like karma is catchin up to him
Mark Crouch said:
Having gotten himself and his alter ego (xQx) banned by shogunmark, I'm sure he's bound to (try to?) sneak back under the radar to taunt some poor unsuspecting n00b
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Your right, he has tried.. and he does currently have a different user id on here, but i am allowing him to plead his case with us mods/admins.. but i can tell you it probably wont last....
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Your right, he has tried.. and he does currently have a different user id on here, but i am allowing him to plead his case with us mods/admins.. but i can tell you it probably wont last....
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I admit, he is a bit harsh and may have taken it a bit too far, but who doesn't get frustrated. I would rather take some good advice from someone who demands that I do my homework, than get bad advice and a $500 brick. He is knowledgeable and helpful, if not a bit abrasive Seriously, if I had a vote (which I don't), I would keep him around for his knowledge I'll take the personality quirks that go with it. I realize this may not be a popular opinion atm, but he has unbricked a bunch of Hermes.
Just my .02 (monetary unit of your choice)
todd_jg said:
I admit, he is a bit harsh and may have taken it a bit too far, but who doesn't get frustrated. I would rather take some good advice from someone who demands that I do my homework, than get bad advice and a $500 brick. He is knowledgeable and helpful, if not a bit abrasive Seriously, if I had a vote (which I don't), I would keep him around for his knowledge I'll take the personality quirks that go with it. I realize this may not be a popular opinion atm, but he has unbricked a bunch of Hermes.
Just my .02 (monetary unit of your choice)
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If i myself would have only seen what all has happened on the surface then i would probably agree with you, but there has been a lot that has happened in the background that most people dont know about, nor will we make it public.. but i can assure you that the things that have happened in the background completely goes against the xda spirit...
Well, if nothing else, this story illustrates what we should all know well by now ... the internet and technology makes this a very small world ... and there no longer is the fiction of maintaining/making reputations in isolation ... a quick stroll through the HOFO thread make this point crystal clear.
Not to get biblical, but the "reap what you sow" line comes to mind.
mikechannon said:
We do accept freedom of expression where it is politely and intelligently expressed and does not constitute a personal and abusive attack on other forum users.
This is not a forum where people should be tuning in to be voyeurs to the latest tirade of flaming and colourful language - there's lots of other fora you can go to for that.
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Yet it appears you helped in creating this ****. way to go idiot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308339
Midget_1990 said:
actually mikechannon photoshopped that
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Yet it appears you helped in creating this ****. way to go idiot.
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Mods: now that the kinder and gentler elf is back, this thread can be cleaned up and locked. Removal of the previous post would be appreciated. I do think that mods should be paid some respect - even from seniors. Thanks.
todd_jg said:
Mods: now that the kinder and gentler elf is back, this thread can be cleaned up and locked. Removal of the previous post would be appreciated. I do think that mods should be paid some respect - even from seniors. Thanks.
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Perhaps another mod should do the cleaning as I seem to be in the firing line here. I would just say that the above graphic was a purely humorous post originally created at the time M$ was making us take down the ROM archive (Hence "no Mr Gates don't do it")- it was certainly not any kind of criticism of Shogun for whom I have great respect. Let's not loose our sense of humour.
Mike
Mike, I apologize, and not because you are a mod, but because I was wrong about you.
I never seen the image when it was used about the rom archive, and immediately seen it as bashing shogunmark.
@ Todd, "the kindler gentler elf" has already mentioned brainless people can't read in his posts already, and also, I don't care if I am senior or noob, (its fairly clear the intent of the Elfs avitar, even though Mikechannon had nothing to do with it) Im going to say something about it, I can't even believe he was let back in, to be honest.
ChaoticDruid said:
Mike, I apologize, and not because you are a mod, but because I was wrong about you.
I never seen the image when it was used about the rom archive, and immediately seen it as bashing shogunmark.
@ Todd, "the kindler gentler elf" has already mentioned brainless people can't read in his posts already, and also, I don't care if I am senior or noob, (its fairly clear the intent of the Elfs avitar, even though Mikechannon had nothing to do with it) Im going to say something about it, I can't even believe he was let back in, to be honest.
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How did you get out of the insane asylum? I was told to watch my language.. I did that.
My avatar has everything to do with the ROM archive being removed.. What were YOU thinking it was?!?
Personally, I just keep hearing the Wizard of Oz when I read your posts... Something about the scarecrow and his one desire.. But, I don't quite remember the words.
Anyways, enjoy the rest of your day! And, thanks for your great input!
The reality is that you don't have to like or agree with me. But, if you really hate everything I do and say, just add me to your ignore list. However, what fun is it to only read one side of an opinion? Maybe you're one of those people who are afraid of having an open mind.. Things can fall out.
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Yet it appears you helped in creating this ****. way to go idiot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308339
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its true.. it was all a joke and in good fun Mike is a great guy whom i also have lots of respect for.
I guess you pretty much have to make it yourself? lol.. I mean i've seen 2 or 3 that werent really my taste but for the most part all of the ones I actually like are only for cm6... whats up with that? I'd actually buy the kuma bear theme.. if it ever comes out.
Manup's rEVOlution theme (with Smooth rEVOlution) is pretty much the only good Sense theme.
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I guess you pretty much have to make it yourself? lol.. I mean i've seen 2 or 3 that werent really my taste but for the most part all of the ones I actually like are only for cm6... whats up with that? I'd actually buy the kuma bear theme.. if it ever comes out.
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Kuma Style is for Sense...
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Kuma Style is for Sense...
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I mean... I use launcherpro but i'd switch back to sense to use that theme.. or one like it. But i've been following his thread forever and it doesnt seem to ever be coming out.
Alright this is pissing me off.
I said in the thread that my comp has been down for going on three weeks now... my motherboard comes in tomorrow, and hopefully that's ALL I need for it to work...
I didn't ask anyone for donations to help me get it fixed, and I keep a non. Working donation button in my sig bc I personally don't want anything until I've released something. The only thing that I ask from you guys is for some respect in the fact that making themes for fun isn't a personal or financial priority for me, and I haven't gotten that.
Op if you'd been following the thread you'd know good and damn well what's going on.
All spelling errors thanks to xt9 on my Evo!
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Alright this is pissing me off.
I said in the thread that my comp has been down for going on three weeks now... my motherboard comes in tomorrow, and hopefully that's ALL I need for it to work...
I didn't ask anyone for donations to help me get it fixed, and I keep a non. Working donation button in my sig bc I personally don't want anything until I've released something. The only thing that I ask from you guys is for some respect in the fact that making themes for fun isn't a personal or financial priority for me, and I haven't gotten that.
Op if you'd been following the thread you'd know good and damn well what's going on.
All spelling errors thanks to xt9 on my Evo!
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Oh for fux sake he made a simple mention about your theme in this thread and that's your reaction? His ENTIRE point had nothing to do with you personally other than to compliment your work so much he stated he'd be willing to buy it. And you get pissed off. Think about that.
To keep on topic, I prefer riptide themes at the moment and often use aspects of his theme with enamo_red and enjoy the results. Of course ymmv.
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Oh for fux sake he made a simple mention about your theme in this thread and that's your reaction? His ENTIRE point had nothing to do with you personally other than to compliment your work so much he stated he'd be willing to buy it. And you get pissed off. Think about that.
To keep on topic, I prefer riptide themes at the moment and often use aspects of his theme with enamo_red and enjoy the results. Of course ymmv.
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Seems tj needs to learn some social skills.....
On topic however, as cosine hinted to above manups revolution is pretty sick; it's stayed on my phone the longest out of any other theme I've had.
jd9900 said:
Oh for fux sake he made a simple mention about your theme in this thread and that's your reaction? His ENTIRE point had nothing to do with you personally other than to compliment your work so much he stated he'd be willing to buy it. And you get pissed off. Think about that.
To keep on topic, I prefer riptide themes at the moment and often use aspects of his theme with enamo_red and enjoy the results. Of course ymmv.
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Can u read? My response was to him saying it looks like it'll never be released.
I guess one if the rules to trolling is being illiterate on demand
All spelling errors thanks to xt9 on my Evo!
And op some themes that I personally like for sense are-
Manups REVolution
MattedBlue (pretty much a remake of Manups but has a nice color scheme)
Konikiubs collection (imo outside of bias towards myself, his themes ate hands down the best... they made Me start theming!)
Riptides color n clear (a nice redeco of konis themes... really well done and nice on the eyes).
That's about all I can think of off the top of my head, but hope you find something in there that fits your fancy till I'm back on track.
As for being annoyed with being asked and asked through my email, my im clients, my pms on here, and even my YouTube... yes, its getting old when the only thread I have on the internet showing the theme says clearly that i haven't had a comp and that's why there haven't been updates. It's old.
All spelling errors thanks to xt9 on my Evo!
I was going to let this go, because it's really not like me to keep crap like this alive, but, TJ, I've seen too many times (some deserved, some not) where you've gone off like some 15 year old punk with a tiny hard on, a ruler, and a really sad face. So after some thought, I figured I would respond.
1. "Can u read? My response was to him saying it looks like it'll never be released."
Yes, I can read, and I appreciate your concern for my well-being. I'm also sorry you won't be releasing your theme, but I do hope you enjoy it. (stop sniffing for sarcasm, there wasn't any in the above).
That out of the way, I'd like to say that I do think you have a very creative eye, and I do respect your work. I dabbled in graphics design a long time ago (Think Amiga Toaster days) and respect quality work when I see it. And from what I see of your work in the youtube video and the screen shots I'd call that quality work.
Back to the "reading" thing. As a matter of fact I read the following in your original post - you know, the one you can edit....
Latest Update (over 2 weeks ago)
"8/18: Haven't updated this front post for a while, but a ton of progress ahs been made. Really have learned a lot about the xml, and am getting better at finding my way around these files. Updated the dialer, facebook widget/app (yes, the app itself), and all of the popups (dialerr, notifications, etc etc.). Still lots more little tweaking to do, but deifnitely check out the gallery and let me know what u guys are thinkign or what you wanna' see!"
I also read in your OP that you have a Web server up - congrats on that! It's at:
http://kumastyle.free-forums.ca/forum.htm
Except, don't try to register, post, or read any content because there is none. 1998 called and they want their Web server back.
Oh, I also read this in your OP (not your sig, your OP):
"Of course, if you download, like, and want me to continue making these PLEASE donate (paypal: [email protected]). A lot of people may not see what goes into these, but it's hours and hours of tedious effort just to make a phone look "spiffy"."
If you do work for other phones on this site, or hell, even if you don't, I have no problem whatsoever with you putting a donate link in your sig - You're the one that's gotta go to sleep at night with your actions.
But when you go out of your way to beg for donations in the original post (and when you say "PLEASE" in all caps, that's begging on the internet, FYI...), what the hell are you really looking for? Do you really want us to donate to a vapor-ware theme, a youtube video and some screenshots? Take that down, man, it's humiliating.
I am certain that if I were to read through your thread I would find your computer woes, disgruntled posters, and people (like me) asking for the zip file to download. And while that must be frustrating, as long as you neglect your OP, you are going to keep seeing this until the thread finishes imploding. You'll see it anyway, but at least you'll see a lot less of it. And judging by your social skills, it seems to bother you, so you really might want to consider that. You obviously have time to post on here using *some* method.
Do what you will, but don't come into someone else's thread *****ing like you do - it's an embarrassment to you and the forum, in my opinion. Take the time to clean your own house.
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I was going to let this go, because it's really not like me to keep crap like this alive, but, TJ, I've seen too many times (some deserved, some not) where you've gone off like some 15 year old punk with a tiny hard on, a ruler, and a really sad face. So after some thought, I figured I would respond.
1. "Can u read? My response was to him saying it looks like it'll never be released."
Yes, I can read, and I appreciate your concern for my well-being. I'm also sorry you won't be releasing your theme, but I do hope you enjoy it. (stop sniffing for sarcasm, there wasn't any in the above).
That out of the way, I'd like to say that I do think you have a very creative eye, and I do respect your work. I dabbled in graphics design a long time ago (Think Amiga Toaster days) and respect quality work when I see it. And from what I see of your work in the youtube video and the screen shots I'd call that quality work.
Back to the "reading" thing. As a matter of fact I read the following in your original post - you know, the one you can edit....
Latest Update (over 2 weeks ago)
"8/18: Haven't updated this front post for a while, but a ton of progress ahs been made. Really have learned a lot about the xml, and am getting better at finding my way around these files. Updated the dialer, facebook widget/app (yes, the app itself), and all of the popups (dialerr, notifications, etc etc.). Still lots more little tweaking to do, but deifnitely check out the gallery and let me know what u guys are thinkign or what you wanna' see!"
I also read in your OP that you have a Web server up - congrats on that! It's at:
http://kumastyle.free-forums.ca/forum.htm
Except, don't try to register, post, or read any content because there is none. 1998 called and they want their Web server back.
Oh, I also read this in your OP (not your sig, your OP):
"Of course, if you download, like, and want me to continue making these PLEASE donate (paypal: [email protected]). A lot of people may not see what goes into these, but it's hours and hours of tedious effort just to make a phone look "spiffy"."
If you do work for other phones on this site, or hell, even if you don't, I have no problem whatsoever with you putting a donate link in your sig - You're the one that's gotta go to sleep at night with your actions.
But when you go out of your way to beg for donations in the original post (and when you say "PLEASE" in all caps, that's begging on the internet, FYI...), what the hell are you really looking for? Do you really want us to donate to a vapor-ware theme, a youtube video and some screenshots? Take that down, man, it's humiliating.
I am certain that if I were to read through your thread I would find your computer woes, disgruntled posters, and people (like me) asking for the zip file to download. And while that must be frustrating, as long as you neglect your OP, you are going to keep seeing this until the thread finishes imploding. You'll see it anyway, but at least you'll see a lot less of it. And judging by your social skills, it seems to bother you, so you really might want to consider that. You obviously have time to post on here using *some* method.
Do what you will, but don't come into someone else's thread *****ing like you do - it's an embarrassment to you and the forum, in my opinion. Take the time to clean your own house.
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I am sad to see everyone fighting over donation ROM which is only worth a few hours of a Modders time.
I and others developers do real work like Permanent Recovery and kernels, I and other developers took hours of soft bricking the device. People copy my update.zip formatting and use it for their ROM. if i wasn't here, you wouldn't have permanent recovery and CyanogenMod and one click and etc.
To the mods, you did the right thing here
Thank you? I honestly don't know how to respond in a way that isn't ridiculously sarcastic and mean, so I will leave it at that.
Me either. Lol.
How's cyanogenmod going?????
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I love roms but i cant stand the premise on donate ware, it seems many devs do it without even knowing their breaching T&C. I think some type of guide book needs to be set in place so whoever cooks a rom up knows what to and to not include in their posts, sigs, and threads to keep everything going smoothly. Im not against people who give their supporters beta releases but keep it off xda and keep it between you and your beta group. There are many talented devs out there that go about things all wrong(purposely and accidental) and kinda gives other devs a bad wrap for things they may not be involved in.
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Thank you? I honestly don't know how to respond in a way that isn't ridiculously sarcastic and mean, so I will leave it at that.
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Why be sarcastic and mean? Noobnl has done so much for the community and he only started his view on the matter of roms. That is only because some members are attacking noobnl due to a mod closing threads. But think carefully what made roms capable of flashing to begin with on the epic.
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I am sad to see everyone fighting over donation ROM which is only worth a few hours of a Modders time.
I and others developers do real work like Permanent Recovery and kernels, I and other developers took hours of soft bricking the device. People copy my update.zip formatting and use it for their ROM. if i wasn't here, you wouldn't have permanent recovery and CyanogenMod and one click and etc.
To the mods, you did the right thing here
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Yes, well your attitude stinks. You are talented but not holier than thou.
Get off your high horse and let it die.
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I am sad to see everyone fighting over donation ROM which is only worth a few hours of a Modders time.
I and others developers do real work like Permanent Recovery and kernels, I and other developers took hours of soft bricking the device. People copy my update.zip formatting and use it for their ROM. if i wasn't here, you wouldn't have permanent recovery and CyanogenMod and one click and etc.
To the mods, you did the right thing here
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I concur, these donatewares people need to get a real job/career and stop preying on the "flash-heads" who'd do anything to get a rom flashing fix.
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I love roms but i cant stand the premise on donate ware, it seems many devs do it without even knowing their breaching T&C. I think some type of guide book needs to be set in place so whoever cooks a rom up knows what to and to not include in their posts, sigs, and threads to keep everything going smoothly. Im not against people who give their supporters beta releases but keep it off xda and keep it between you and your beta group. There are many talented devs out there that go about things all wrong(purposely and accidental) and kinda gives other devs a bad wrap for things they may not be involved in.
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If people read the rules, which they are required to be aware of and in compliance of, it is clearly stated in Rule 8.
Here's my two cents on this whole thing if anyone cares.
ROM building is basically pushing and pulling APKs and running BAT files other members have already put together. I will be the first to admit that the stupid ROM I've posted really doesn't contain anything new. It's just the same files in a different order with some added, compressed or removed. When I do this stuff, obviously, I'm not coding anything. I'm barely proficient with Linux and would consider myself a novice at when it comes to programming in any language. (I can write you a 'Hello World' program in just about any language you want though.)
99% of the members here, if they had the time and desire to, could make a ROM.
As far as donations go, I can see how it would be tempting to ask for them. After all, even if ROM building is EASY, it does take time. However, I can definitely understand where XDA is coming from. Someone has to pay for this domain and the hosting. With the insane amount of traffic this place gets it can't be cheap. How would you feel if you fascilitated this place and had people setting up shop? If anything I feel like I owe XDA and if ****ty technical support jobs paid more I would have already donated.
I've learned a long time ago that being mad/upset about anything in any part of your life or even disliking people really doesn't get you anywhere. That kind of stuff just poisons your mind and overall wellbeing. So can't we just move on guys?
That's all.
Also I want to thank noob for working with Team Douche on CM for our phones. If you guys haven't had an opportunity to use it on another Android device, trust me it is well worth waiting for. No more waiting on Sammy to push updates.
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Why be sarcastic and mean? Noobnl has done so much for the community and he only started his view on the matter of roms. That is only because some members are attacking noobnl due to a mod closing threads. But think carefully what made roms capable of flashing to begin with on the epic.
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Because frankly I don't care how talented you are or how much you have contributed to the community, putting other developers down and calling them "cowards" as he did in the other thread, and then creating a new post full of the most self congratulatory arrogant nonsense I have ever read explaining how the dev scene ain't Sh&t without you, requires nothing but a mean and sarcastic reply.
Edit: No one is questioning that the work he is doing is awesome and that he is talented and at the core of development for the epic right now, but from the last few posts I have read of his, the same cannot be said of his attitude.
Are you going to show some of that epic cm greatness to douchecast tonight
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If people read the rules, which they are required to be aware of and in compliance of, it is clearly stated in Rule 8.
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Where in the rules does it say you can be suspended or banned for expressing your opinion regarding the actions of moderators?
bobdude5 said:
Are you going to show some of that epic cm greatness to douchecast tonight
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yup going to compile a new cm6
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yup going to compile a new cm6
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Sweet deal hopefully those pesky random bootloops are gone in the new one good luck man!
I love that channel ...everybody gave up modding and played angry birds when you left ahah
are u going to incorporate the source code that was released?
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yup going to compile a new cm6
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You saying that all these roms on here are yours but kanged?I feel if someone added or removed few things from a rom than he should definitely put KANGED in rom's title and give credit to original coder/creator.
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You saying that all these roms on here are yours but kanged?I feel if someone added or removed few things from a rom than he should definitely put KANGED in rom's title and give credit to original coder/creator.
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He's saying he doesn't appreciate people taking credit for his modified Linux kernel and other modifications to bootloaders by asking for "donations," that's all. Take a look at noobnl's Github repo. It is linked to the CyanogenMod source repo, the samsung sources, and other sources upstream. Credit is given and all licenses are followed properly. His releases all have their source published. He doesn't withhold releases under the guise of getting people to donate (pay) for beta testing (early access to software). He has every right to be perturbed at others using a thinly-veiled excuse to basically extort money from people in order to get something derived from his own work earlier than everyone else.
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He's saying he doesn't appreciate people taking credit for his modified Linux kernel and other modifications to bootloaders by asking for "donations," that's all. Take a look at noobnl's Github repo. It is linked to the CyanogenMod source repo, the samsung sources, and other sources upstream. Credit is given and all licenses are followed properly. His releases all have their source published. He doesn't withhold releases under the guise of getting people to donate (pay) for beta testing (early access to software). He has every right to be perturbed at others using a thinly-veiled excuse to basically extort money from people in order to get something derived from his own work earlier than everyone else.
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Yeah thats not right,i owned 3 android phones and never have I seen this type of **** we have on epic forum.
Noobnl, cm6 is coming out tonight?! Answer me please! Been waiting for this.
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This guy has been coming into the Fascinate channel for the last two days rubbing our face in it. While we aren't pleased, I can only imagine what the Epic folks must be thinking.
http://adrynalyne.us/files/wtf/Screen1.png
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If someone doesn't want to leak something, cool, but don't brag about it and make others feel bad that they can't have it, imo.
Meh. The "whining about noobnl bragging about Froyo" thread is ========> this way.
This is Development, not General! </backseatmod>
Yeah yeah, he has froyo.. woop'd ****in do. We will all have it soon. Hopefully one of the devs who does have it, actually makes some progress in getting a root for it when release comes, otherwise stop being such a fricken baby about the ****. It is, what it is. The more we talk about it, the more they get their head blown up like a balloon thinking they are the froyo beta developer cool kids.
Just let it go.
Guys, Idgaf that he has it. This is just not what I consider to be behavior that fuels a community, but instead hinders it. I wouldn't have posted, had I known about the other thread prior.
adrynalyne said:
Guys, Idgaf that he has it. This is just not what I consider to be behavior that fuels a community, but instead hinders it. I wouldn't have posted, had I known about the other thread prior.
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Aye, bragging doesn't do anything. But what can ye do?
The leaked "Rom" is nowhere near ready for prime time so noob decided not to publicly release it so a bunch of people don't complain it broke their phones, so stfu already he did you guys a favor
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063_XOBX said:
The leaked "Rom" is nowhere near ready for prime time so noob decided not to publicly release it so a bunch of people don't complain it broke their phones, so stfu already he did you guys a favor
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lol n00b
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n00b
For the leg humpers out there, the point is that it is not considered acceptable behavior to rub it into other people's faces.
Thats got nothing to do with bugs, or him doing anyone a favor.
Kind of reminds me of my kid with a new toy. Of course he wants you to see it, but he isn't gonna let you play with it for a while. If he acts that way, then of course he is burying himself in the long run. There will be plenty of developers for 2.2 when it gets here that are gonna do great things and that maybe he can't keep up with alone. Everyone wants their 15 min of fame.
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The leaked "Rom" is nowhere near ready for prime time
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I think Devs have one hand down their pants when they say stuff like this. Getting off on people giving them power.
Notice noobnl had to tweet to all the major android new sites with a screenshot. Sure he's holding it back for our good, but might as well get his name out there in the meantime right?
I've been through this with damage's shenanigans on the hero with 2.1. Its the same tired excuses.
Fact is the more eyes we have looking at the code, the more quickly it'll get to working status. It's about a community working together.
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I think Devs have one hand down their pants when they say stuff like this. Getting off on people giving them power.
Notice noobnl had to tweet to all the major android new sites with a screenshot. Sure he's holding it back for our good, but might as well get his name out there in the meantime right?
I've been through this with damage's shenanigans on the hero with 2.1. Its the same tired excuses.
Fact is the more eyes we have looking at the code, the more quickly it'll get to working status. It's about a community working together.
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You are right about noobnl, absolutely, but wrong about the rom. Why would we even want a beta rom that can somehow be shoehorned on our device that is SEMI working when the real official release is happening within weeks? Sure he is doing it for attention and making a big show of having the rom and not releasing it, he did the same gloating nonsense when that Epic Experience thread was pulled and he posted about how the development scene wouldn't be **** without him.
But again, its senseless to release a semi functional rom. The person who leaked it to noobnl even said it was kinda buggy. We will get the legit one soon enough. Its good at least at this point that talented people like noobnl have access to it so they can make sure there is a root available for it on release day.
Let's clear some things up.
First: I have no comments to make about noobnl's behaviour regarding his having a copy of the froyo leak. I don't feel like throwing more kindle on the flames.
Second: Several devs have copies of the same froyo leak. Who they are is unimportant, but it's out there.
Third: Yes, the ROM is incredibly buggy. The modem crashes constantly, market downloads are intermittent (as well as missing protected apps). And even though it has JIT, things are laggy (most noticeable when scrolling the app drawer). As a kernel dev, I can't tell you the amount of frustration I have, because I can't do anything until source code drops.
Lastly, and most importantly: There are hints all over the rom about where it came from, some evidence is not removable (references to developers in the initramfs, we don't have source to rebuild the kernel, modifying the initramfs would result in a brick). I think I speak for most of us when I say:
Their jobs are more important than your instant gratification.
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yea, like take tehdarkknight for instance hes been bragging about having phoenix kernel version 1.74 up and running for a week now, which includes JIT and has linpack of 90.00
shabbypenguin said:
yea, like take tehdarkknight for instance hes been bragging about having phoenix kernel version 1.74 up and running for a week now, which includes JIT and has linpack of 90.00
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i for one wont donate to noob since i dont use his stuff so as long as noone else does everything is good
plus theres always a way to get donations back
cool take your ball and go home, let me know how kylecole is doing....
churro7 said:
i for one wont donate to noob since i dont use his stuff so as long as noone else does everything is good
plus theres always a way to get donations back
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Lol, you dont use his stuff? Really? Are you rooted?
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Lol, you dont use his stuff? Really? Are you rooted?
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indeed and dont start bending over ur fav dev ur opinion doesnt matter im just stating my opinion which also doesnt matter
Im all against devs hoggin **** for themselves, but the guy does deserve credit for what he has done for the Epic.
If they are or arent doing it, is up to them and they are the only ones who know, just be patient and **** will get done.
Its the Hero all over again...
Im getting sick of seeing this bs.. Most of you people who are complaining isnt doing a damn thing to contribute to this community.. Be glad you have a nice phone.. And all this bashing noob noob needs to stop.. for all this **** he has done for you ungreatful bastards.. I would understand if he dint release ****..
I do not have talent when it comes to working with porting roms but I do know that our Hero dev team is one of the best. I am looking for people to help port this Evo rom that I found to our Hero. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144447 The OP said that we could work on the port when I asked him through PM
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I do not have talent when it comes to working with porting roms but I do know that our Hero dev team is one of the best. I am looking for people to help port this Evo rom that I found to our Hero. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144447 The OP said that we could work on the port when I asked him through PM
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Awesome!
if this is possible i might keep my hero haha
There is currently work being done to port over a sense 3.0 /gingerbread rom. It is very difficult to make work on the heroc... Is this rom from a cdma or gsm?
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If you want a rom like that, buy an evo. This is the hero c We have half the processing power, mdpi screens, no flash support, and way less internal memory.
Be happy with 2.3.4 gingerbread, even running it is a small miracle.
Edit: The big thing about that rom is all the high powered features. Netflix and the like just aren't possible on the hero as far as I know c Buy an Evo or try the port that's already been mentioned
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Blah, double post...
rubyknight said:
If you want a rom like that, buy and evo. This is the hero c We have half the processing power, mdpi screens, no flash support, and way less internal memory.
Be happy with 2.3.4 gingerbread, even running it is a small miracle.
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Even if it were possible to get half the stuff from that rom working, it would be slow as molasses, buggy as a bees nest, and probably not worth the effort (except maybe from a "just to see if I can do it" standpoint). like ruby said, most of that is made for better hardware, and after you take all that out, you've just got rosie 3.0....
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Tk's gingersense rom is more than enough for me..
and the way things are moving along with it I don't think it will be to much longer before everything is fully functional. :]
yea as far as porting that rom to the heroc you are looking at alot of work esp since sense is closed source and the evo uses an ARM7 processor and the hero has an ARM6. this is also why there has been little luck with a MIUI rom for us too
myn is an awesome guy and i have been using his roms forever (since donut), and trust me i would love to see this on the heroC infact if you flash tazz4.1 in the gingersense thread myn's wallpaper is the default along with the TwoPointTwo theme, but sadly its just not likely since the 2 phones are very different.
Why is this in the development section? Seriously? What made you think this went here?
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Why is this in the development section? Seriously? What made you think this went here?
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It is something that would need developed? Plus putting it in the dev section is the best way to attract dev's attention. Seriously? What made you think to post this question?
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It is something that would need developed? Plus putting it in the dev section is the best way to attract dev's attention. Seriously? What made you think to post this question?
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No, the best way to attract the dev's attention is to PM the dev.
You don't put a link to a ROM that is not even remotely started for our device with the tag "[Port]" and the title "Amazing Rom!!". Is this rocket science to you?
If you named it something more along the lines of "[WIP/Devs Needed] Possible Synergy Port?" That would have made way more sense. Instead, there's people clicking on this and assuming it's a ROM, and then we'll have pages and pages of people asking for ETAs (or even possibly people trying to flash the Synergy ROM from your link).
Did you even bother to look and see what the current Sense Gingerbread build status was? Or did you assume that just because a dev of a ROM for an entirely different (and way higher specced device, I might add) told you in a PM that you have his permission to port the ROM, that it was logical to make a thread about it?
The most logical thing to do would have been to ask thoughtlesskyle what he thought of the idea of porting it, as he obviously is the most experienced porter on the HeroC forums now that NFX and Zenulator have left.
But it's ok, you're right, you're not a dev, and this thread will probably go for a few pages and then die when people realize that this isn't going to happen. TK is doing insanely great work on the port we already have, this is just a waste of time.
In all honesty, the only waste of time here was your long rant about a screw up in the title. Apparently you are mister amazing and never made a single mistake. I forgot that you were the golden boy of XDA. Oh wait, you are not. You are just a regular person with a little more experience on the site than me. I purposely put the misconceptious title in there so that it would attract more people. When you say [Devs Needed] a lot of people pass it over. Now if you would spend your time developing instead of figuring out ways to insult people over a website. I realize that this rom is very advanced and its about 95 percent positive that it never would or could get ported but at the same time thats exactly what was said about froyo and gingerbread....but guess what, they did! Now obviously it would not run as smooth or anything but it would be quite nice just to see that we could.
dude go to hell are you seriously flaming liquid right now? obviously you being a noob you have no idea what hes done for the heroc community, you made a mistake and your at fault here so stop trying to put it on someone else and and man the [email protected]#ck up!
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In all honesty, the only waste of time here was your long rant about a screw up in the title. ......I purposely put the misconceptious title in there so that it would attract more people. When you say [Devs Needed] a lot of people pass it over.
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Exactly. That's the point.
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Bierce22 said:
dude go to hell are you seriously flaming liquid right now? obviously you being a noob you have no idea what hes done for the heroc community, you made a mistake and your at fault here so stop trying to put it on someone else and and man the [email protected]#ck up!
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Just because he has done a lot does not mean he is not a ****. Just because I've been here a short while, i am not a true noob. I knew quite a bit about android before ever coming here. I realize my screw up was bad and i admitted that but that does not excuse his attitude. I never put my fault on him, i put his own on him. Case in point go "[email protected]#ck" yourself....btw there is not 5 letters in the word you are referring to.
you say your not a noob but u go around asking questions like this?
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Hey guys i just used the RUU and then re-rooted. My question is what setup do you guys suggest. Im not just talking about which rom i should use this time (i was previously using cm 7.0.3). I mean what ROM, KERNEL, MODS, SCRPITS, PATCHES, ETC. I want my phone to be as fast as possible because i am tired of the hero's lag. I love my phone but frankly i have got to speed it up since im still like 4 months from getting a new phone (Hopefully a Nexus 3!!)
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you say your not a noob but u go around asking questions like this?
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Ive been rooted and all of that for months. The reason i asked that is because obviously i have not tried everything out there, no one has. I wanted to get peoples feed back on different things they have tried that maybe i have not seen before. It was not my first time doing all of that stuff and in all honesty i just wanted something "Fresh" on my phone. I did not want to use the usual CM7 with fr partition and ram optimizer. I wanted to get a different result. Obviously I could go out and test multiple combos together but I was hoping to get the whole communities feed back since our hero is starting to stand on its last leg and we have all had time to test multiple things.
i just reported this thread to a moderator and u should be banned from xda.
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