I have a feeling......
Though, this is definitely a much better route to follow then simply capping the data for these fools that want to test how "unlimited" unlimited really is... idiots.
http://www.talkandroid.com/17660-t-...ing-data-usage-over-5gb-beginning-october-16/
Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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For those of us with "premium data", I think 5GB is too low. I'm NOT looking for a "stupid fee" argument, nor am I complaining about it. I think of it like animal farm. We are just more equal than others.
I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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boundless; infinite; vast
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TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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DirtyShroomz does not understand this concept at ALL.
He thinks that it "costs money" when yes - it "costs money" but the reality of the situation is corporations want to make more money off the smart phone craze. You don't "buy" kilobytes and megabytes when companies like Sprint have their own ISP backbone. Essentially, it does not cost them anymore to have customers use the supplies they are providing - they just want to charge extra.
You're right - unlimited means unlimited.
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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The phone companies are the backbone of the internet. Sure they are not the only ones but there is a very good chance they are the ones who are getting paid when you use your local cable companies internet.
Of course they could always argue that bandwidth used by you is bandwidth that is not being sold to someone else, it just depends on which route is more profitable for them.
With these Changes Tmo is going to impose
would it be wrong for me to state we can use this to cancel our contract with a waived fee due to change in contract terms that weight against my current situation?
If so I need to cancel this line asap...
Sure, SOME people may "Abuse" the unlimited cap, but let's think about this....
If there are 100,000 subscribers paying $10 a month extra for the "Unlimited" usage, that's $1,000,000 that Sprint is taking in.
If 5,000 of those people use DOUBLE the 5Gb that Sprint thinks is "acceptable usage", and the other 95,000 use under the 5Gb per month, Sprint is STILL making a HUGE profit.
obviously, these are figurative numbers, as I have no idea how many people have Evo's and Epics being charged the $10 "Premium Fee".
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
Maybe they should just up the unlimited price to a higher amount. I myself wish I could pay a little bit less since I apparently never use even a gig. So sprint how about making tier plans for this. Thats the entire problem with unlimited usage plans, regular users pay the same amount as the heavy users. Oh well no need to worry people who complain about all these extra $10 for 4G premium still need to realize that as of right now Sprint does have one of the cheapest best overall value for what you are paying no?
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I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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I'm with you man, even with the $10 fee my plan is still at least $40 cheaper than anything comparable from AT&T, Verizon, or TMo. Factor in my 23% discount and there's no question.
notasimpleway said:
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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Since when are Bluetooth transfers locked? In fact just yesterday I transferred a file from one EVO to another using bluetooth. I've done it many times between EVOs, between evo and blackberry, and between evo and palm devices with no problems.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
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The issue is when people say stuff like this;
TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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without understanding what the issue is. Here’s the deal - the data is unlimited. As in absolutely and truly unlimited. This has nothing to do with the $10 fee either – the data is unlimited because of the Everything Data plans that the EVO requires. However, that data is only unlimited when you abide by the terms and conditions of the contract that you entered into when you started service. Among other things, this means that you get unlimited data as long as you’re on network, and if tethering, you’re paying the $29.99 fee for the hotspot feature. The term abuse comes into play because of all of the people who rooted to get free thethering, and use that to the extreme, either as their home internet, or just simply to see how much they can actually download in a month (as in 50-100+ GB/month). To go back to your analogy, all you can eat buffets are “all you can eat” as long as you follow the terms of the buffet – meaning you have to eat within the restaurant. They won’t allow you to back your truck up and load it with food from the buffet to take home.
And hey! Welcome back werx! I was wondering when you’d show up and start pointlessly calling people out again.
edit - and as a reminder, nobody has ever indicated that they were taking your unlimited data away. If the rates for unlimited data do change, or they decide to do away with it completely, that would apply to new customers sighning new contracts.
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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Companies want to make more money on overages. As these phones get more advanced you'll see more people using more data.
With faster speeds you're promoting more data traffic.
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Hey guys,
I work for sprint and from what i was told by our Sales Support people there is no cap on the evo or epic for data.
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Just a thought I had today, but since the $10 fee did seem to come out of no where, but sometime after they said the 4G would be free at CITA, and since they haven't expressly said it was for the 4G data...
Perhaps, they knew the first batch of phones were going to have the screen problem, as well as other problems, but they found out after they had several thousand/hundred thousand made, thus knowing they were going to have to replace a hell of a lot of phones within a month or two and with this so-called "Prem Data Fee" they could regain some of the money for replacing all the early adopters phones.
I don't have the screen problem...yet, but I'm going to be exchanging mine because the speaker is half blown or something in the earpiece.
Any takers on the idea?
Doubt it, but it's definitely an excuse to pad their pockets a bit more, since Sprint has the lowest margins across all post-paid providers.
I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it) Honestly this 3g is really fast, faster than verizon and t-mobile thus far (speed test prove it). I get better signal is area that my verizon phone does, but that might because its a storm 2 ()
Interesting theory, but I think it's a bit far fetched. I truly think the $10 is for unrestricted data usage, which I am thoroughly enjoying.
I for one hope they plan to use the extra money to strengthen and expand the 4G coverage.
It is a little bit far-fetched, but you never know. Last minuet stuff always happens and companies might make drastic measures to compensate themselves.
It was just a thought, especially since they've never actually said the fee was for the data, it's for the phone experience, which directly links it to the phone, if you go by what they say the fee is for.
why is everybody obsessed with this fee
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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Strung you are boosting the IQ of the forum with answers like these
Lord knows we need all the help we can get since I'm on here bringing us down
Probably the same ideology as to why AT&T ditched the unlimited data plan right before or when the iPhone 4 was announced.
Sprint needs customers and since the EVO is going to be one major source of income and/or data usage...they probably decided to implement a fee for unlimited 3G/4G data usage while keeping the unlimited plan available. When you think of Sprint, you immediately think "SIMPLY UNLIMITED EVERYTHING!"
What I say or think really doesn't matter...the $10 fee is mandatory so there is no use in trying to fight it or be sneaky about trying to get out of paying it.
I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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But why? According to AT&T, a majority of its customers wouldn't even come close to the 2GB cap and do not need unlimited data
I was always under the assumption for the charge that you can hook the evo up to any computer via usb and use it for internet access.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it)...QUOTE]
That's exactly what Dan Hesse said the fee was for.
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Well, just an update...
The Sprint store said that my speaker was wacko for sure, and when I checked the other two phones we have tonight, both of their screens are raising up. What find strange is, mine got 10x the usage over the last week than the other two did and mine doesn't have the screen problem...yet.
Anyhow, I guess Sprint will be sending us 3 new phones.
i am rooted using wifi tether and i dont feel the least bit bad for it.. they are going to screw me for an extra 10 bucs a month im going to get my monies worth..... take that sprint.
I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
Thank goodness I don't pay it... well not really. 10$ off from the IO conference.
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I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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I got the phone for the hardware, and android. I want to go to T-Mobile for the HD2, but it lacks the 8mp camera, no WiFi tether, and WinMo, yuck. I understand the fee in 4g areas, but they can't justify the fee for any other area. Call/email them, they sound like idiots trying to explain why we're being charged $10. "Rich data experience" (3g network?), "1ghz processor", "YouTube hd", "android operating system" are all the reasons I have gotten. I can provide email proof. The fee is a scam, not premium data.
So, as some of you may know, if T-Mobile changes the terms of your contract, you can break the contract without have to pay an EFT (early termination fee, usually $200). I am not sure if this only applies to changes that will change how much you pay, or if it is changes in general.
So, does anyone know if the new 5 GB cap will allow us to break contract without EFT? It isn't changing our monthly bills but it is changing contract terms.
Cheap bastard... jk.
I wish I could complain about that and break loose from the etf. The problem is that before the 5gb throttling, they included overage if you went above 5gb. After that they said they would throttle but didn't. Now they are saying that they will turn on the throttling.
So really, they were just lazy with what they said they would be doing along time ago... sry man, no etf jailbraking for you.
On the other hand, if you had the overage charged 5gb plan, and now they are turning to the throttling way... you would have a vague but legally plausible excuse to demand an etf free break.
I might consider a switch if I thought any carrier were really better. AT&T has a terrible cap. Sprint has a 5GB cap except for WiMax, plus you pay $20 more. Verizon is unlimited, but their data throughput is crappy, they're more expensive, and they're moving to a cap very soon anyway.
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So, as some of you may know, if T-Mobile changes the terms of your contract, you can break the contract without have to pay an EFT (early termination fee, usually $200). I am not sure if this only applies to changes that will change how much you pay, or if it is changes in general.
So, does anyone know if the new 5 GB cap will allow us to break contract without EFT? It isn't changing our monthly bills but it is changing contract terms.
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Umm, ETF!
Anyways, did you read your contract?
Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers’ service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan.
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It's said this for I don't know how long.. it was changed to 5GB more than a few months back.
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So, as some of you may know, if T-Mobile changes the terms of your contract, you can break the contract without have to pay an EFT (early termination fee, usually $200). I am not sure if this only applies to changes that will change how much you pay, or if it is changes in general.
So, does anyone know if the new 5 GB cap will allow us to break contract without EFT? It isn't changing our monthly bills but it is changing contract terms.
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There is no cap....where does it say there's a cap? Source please? I the OP has a PEBKAC in place here.
Throttling |= Cap
And no, you more than likely won't be able to break the ETF.
Actually you can bread the etf. When you purchased your vibrant from them it was marketed with certain sevices that fail to function properly, TMoble does not have an equivalent phone available as a replacement at this time. Contract is now broken. Just contact their legal department. There is no way they are going to let this go to court because they continued to sell these phones with full knowledge that they were defective. This is called fraud.
Good luck
There is a class action lawsuit in Cali claiming false advertising. I have an old unlimited web+txt $35 10gb limit.
The 5GB thing has been there for a while now
They've just been enforcing it at 10GB
What's a while? I still use myfavs! Lol
ETF* yes my bad. lol.
That said, how long is long? If it was changed after I signed my contract I might have a case. I really want to break my contract and go to MySimpleMobile. (Ironically, MSM uses T-Mobile's network, but you can get unlimited everything for $60 a month -- quite a bit cheaper than direct TMo plans.) Or, potentially buy the myTouch HD at full discount by signing a new two year contract, lol.
Bunch of whiney cheap bastards. I your gonna be tethering and use up that much bandwith go find a hotspot. I really dont care about the cap. I use data all day everyday!!!!!! and dont come close to the 5 gigs.
Ohhh im gonna file a lawsuit...ooohh i wanna break contract! I dont want to pay for anything. The crap our country has come to.
Just stay put or go with metro PCS. Tmo was the best network to be on without the bullsh1t but now they are following suite. What can you, just give up cell phone completely. But we all know you won't do that. Just bend over like the rest of us and take it....
Get a unlimited usage contract
The cost differential between a term plan and unlimited is not that much. You then do not have to worry abut limitations. Furthermore, buying a phone cheaper on a contract is actually more expensive. So, It is almost ALWAYS better to buy the phone and get a no contract plan
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ETF* yes my bad. lol.
That said, how long is long? If it was changed after I signed my contract I might have a case. I really want to break my contract and go to MySimpleMobile. (Ironically, MSM uses T-Mobile's network, but you can get unlimited everything for $60 a month -- quite a bit cheaper than direct TMo plans.) Or, potentially buy the myTouch HD at full discount by signing a new two year contract, lol.
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Simple Mobile will cut your data off completely after you hit 1GB. I'm a Simple Customer as well.
There always was a soft cap at 10gb. They just lowered it. The amount of data allowed is still unlimited (unlike other carriers), they can just slow you down if you're using an excessive amount of bandwidth. It effects less than 1% of customers.
It doesn't violate ANYTHING in your contract or outlined in the T&C, so no, it doesn't let you get out of contract for free.
I don't understand the point of leaving T-Mobile when other carriers are way more strict/limiting in regards to data usage. I guess the grass always seems greener...
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Bunch of whiney cheap bastards. I your gonna be tethering and use up that much bandwith go find a hotspot. I really dont care about the cap. I use data all day everyday!!!!!! and dont come close to the 5 gigs.
Ohhh im gonna file a lawsuit...ooohh i wanna break contract! I dont want to pay for anything. The crap our country has come to.
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Haha, this from someone on a site that puts out free mods and customizations
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Actually you can bread the etf. When you purchased your vibrant from them it was marketed with certain sevices that fail to function properly, TMoble does not have an equivalent phone available as a replacement at this time. Contract is now broken. Just contact their legal department. There is no way they are going to let this go to court because they continued to sell these phones with full knowledge that they were defective. This is called fraud.
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Unfortunately, there is no "full knowledge" of "defective" Vibrants. This isn't a bait-and-switch tactic you'd like to make it out to be. I have had a Vibrant since the day it was launched and all "marketed sevices" have worked perfectly, so it's not as if your problems are experienced by all Vibrant owners, or even a majority. Some people experience problems/glitches with electronic devices. This in not news, it's an inevitability in the industry. Not "fraud".
So, the likelihood of you having a reasonable court case for problems that are already fixed is pretty much nonexistent. I'd be willing to bet that if T-Mobile let you out of contract it's because they got tired of your pissing and moaning and having you go to another company would be a win/win situation.
Good luck.
Question. I know I have received the 10gb limit msg from tmo has anyone received a 5gb limit txt?
ohhh No, & i dont really use that much data, just browse the web from the phone and download Bionix Roms whenever they are available. no Youtube or that. I also have syncing for facebook and gmail but still crazyyy.
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ETF* yes my bad. lol.
That said, how long is long? If it was changed after I signed my contract I might have a case. I really want to break my contract and go to MySimpleMobile. (Ironically, MSM uses T-Mobile's network, but you can get unlimited everything for $60 a month -- quite a bit cheaper than direct TMo plans.) Or, potentially buy the myTouch HD at full discount by signing a new two year contract, lol.
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Simple Mobile is secretly capped at 1GB.
http://consumerist.com/2010/07/simple-mobile-unlimited-data-plan-is-of-course-secretly-limited.html
I've never been one to complain about our $10/mo "Premium Data" add on, but apparently there is a class action lawsuit starting regarding it. The below is the text of an email that was sent out regarding it (and the page at http://www.bursor.com/press/101203sprint4g.html)
If You Purchased a Sprint EVO 4G or EPIC 4G Cellphone, You May Be Interested in a Class Action Lawsuit
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A class action lawsuit was filed alleging that Sprint customers that purchased the EVO 4G or EPIC 4G cellphones are being charged a $10 monthly “Premium Data Add-On” fee, despite the fact that these customers had already paid for unlimited data usage under their existing Sprint calling plans.
Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, www.bursor.com, is investigating claims that these charges may be improper.
If you purchased a Sprint EVO 4G or EPIC 4G cellphone, we would like to hear from you so we can investigate whether you incurred this charge, how many customers have been affected, and whether there may be valid legal claims for a refund. Please contact us by responding to this email or by calling us directly at (646) 504-7781.
About Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor
Scott A. Bursor, has represented plaintiffs in class action lawsuits against Sprint and other wireless carriers since 2002. Many of these cases are discussed in detail at www.bursor.com.
Contact:
Scott A. Bursor
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IMO, The only thing this will do is raise our rates as Sprint has additional costs arguing with this guy.
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True it will increase costs. But I doubt my phone bill will be +$40/mo more after dealing with this guy which is what I'm paying for now due to 3 Evo's and 1 Epic. I totally support +$10/mo for 4g ... if it was optional. I have no need for 4g though and am highly annoyed at paying this tax. All I want is an Android phone with keyboard and the rest of the guys wanted big screens, we've given them hundreds of $'s this year for something we don't use or want.
Old news, but sprint data is cheaper than everyone else anyway.
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thx for the info. calling tomorrow
You are assuming the 10 dollars is for 4G. I've always thought it was for more or less having a next generational phone. Both the evo/epic encourage people to use data in ways none of the other devices do. Because of the specs, everything is faster, web browsing, multtasking, gaming - even if you are on 3G.
Sprint realized that giving an unlimited buffet to a blackberry user is much different than giving an unlimited buffet to someone using these phones.
It would be interesting if sprint ends up having to release some of this data to explain the fee. Those 1tb montly users may come in handy at that time.
Even with the fee, sprint has one of the cheapest and best data plans around.
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True it will increase costs. But I doubt my phone bill will be +$40/mo more after dealing with this guy which is what I'm paying for now due to 3 Evo's and 1 Epic. I totally support +$10/mo for 4g ... if it was optional. I have no need for 4g though and am highly annoyed at paying this tax. All I want is an Android phone with keyboard and the rest of the guys wanted big screens, we've given them hundreds of $'s this year for something we don't use or want.
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Trahloc said:
True it will increase costs. But I doubt my phone bill will be +$40/mo more after dealing with this guy which is what I'm paying for now due to 3 Evo's and 1 Epic. I totally support +$10/mo for 4g ... if it was optional. I have no need for 4g though and am highly annoyed at paying this tax. All I want is an Android phone with keyboard and the rest of the guys wanted big screens, we've given them hundreds of $'s this year for something we don't use or want.
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That boils down to how much data you use..if they go Tiered data like Verizon they could charge you $10 a month per GB per phone...so if you don't use much data thats fine..
In the end each person will get like 5$ settlement and the lawyer will get millions in his own pocket..If only they had a limitation on how much these lawyers can get in 1 law suite >.>
Cause these law suites are a lawyers "All you can eat"...not to mention they will end up fighting it for like 10 years..
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True it will increase costs. But I doubt my phone bill will be +$40/mo more after dealing with this guy which is what I'm paying for now due to 3 Evo's and 1 Epic. I totally support +$10/mo for 4g ... if it was optional. I have no need for 4g though and am highly annoyed at paying this tax. All I want is an Android phone with keyboard and the rest of the guys wanted big screens, we've given them hundreds of $'s this year for something we don't use or want.
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I live in New Orleans and I think the closest 4G city is 350 miles away (Houston). I too wanted an Android phone with a keyboard that wasn't abandoned by the manufacturer for support.
I think it's the principal of paying for something Sprint isn't giving me an opportunity to utilize that irritates me the most. However, I didn't want to drop Sprint (due to plan costs) and I really wanted the Epic. So I gave in.
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Old news, but sprint data is cheaper than everyone else anyway.
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That is the kicker, they are the cheapest--even with the 4G charge.
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They now have the samsung transform.
I still see justification for the fee even without the 4G. they are effectively lumping us into a high data tier. In reality, maybe they should just make it actually tiered.
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I live in New Orleans and I think the closest 4G city is 350 miles away (Houston). I too wanted an Android phone with a keyboard that wasn't abandoned by the manufacturer for support.
I think it's the principal of paying for something Sprint isn't giving me an opportunity to utilize that irritates me the most. However, I didn't want to drop Sprint (due to plan costs) and I really wanted the Epic. So I gave in.
That is the kicker, they are the cheapest--even with the 4G charge.
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Tiered would be annoying but livable. Make $40/mo something reasonable with X charge per GB and then past some other reasonable point make it unlimited. But a mandatory charge of $10 for a feature I neither want or use just pisses me off. At least metro pcs had the decency to say "that phone isn't allowed on that plan" when we tried snagging their android phone for the folks using that network. Sprint should do that same, you don't want folks using high end phones on the cheap plans don't allow them on, don't create a fake tax.
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Tiered would be annoying but livable. Make $40/mo something reasonable with X charge per GB and then past some other reasonable point make it unlimited. But a mandatory charge of $10 for a feature I neither want or use just pisses me off. At least metro pcs had the decency to say "that phone isn't allowed on that plan" when we tried snagging their android phone for the folks using that network. Sprint should do that same, you don't want folks using high end phones on the cheap plans don't allow them on, don't create a fake tax.
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You shouldn't have bought the phone then. Every single person who bought this phone or the evo KNEW that there as a $10/month fee but still bought it because they just HAD to have the newest phones. If the fee is really that big of an issue then you wouldn't have bought the phone. When I bought the phone.I too the cost into consideration and decided that the$10 fee was justifiable and even with it I would still be paying less than ANY OTHER CARRIER for the same plan. People need to stop *****ing just to *****
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You shouldn't have bought the phone then. Every single person who bought this phone or the evo KNEW that there as a $10/month fee but still bought it because they just HAD to have the newest phones. If the fee is really that big of an issue then you wouldn't have bought the phone. When I bought the phone.I too the cost into consideration and decided that the$10 fee was justifiable and even with it I would still be paying less than ANY OTHER CARRIER for the same plan. People need to stop *****ing just to *****
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I agree with you right there. Before any ever bought the phone the fees were right there.
I say good luck with the lawsuit. 99% sure you will not get what you want out of it regardless if you win or lose.
Let me clarify one thing... I'm not assuming jack. I read the agreement and I know it's not just a 4g charge. My post was purely informative. Hence "4g tax" in quotations.
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This just end cost all of us more. Some of these lawyers need to be reigned in.
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They now have the samsung transform.
I still see justification for the fee even without the 4G. they are effectively lumping us into a high data tier. In reality, maybe they should just make it actually tiered.
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There is no justification without 4G. The reason is you've purchased the phone.... You own it and it's capabilities. It's connection to the internet is a separate issue.
Would you pay more for wired internet service because you have a better graphics card and faster CPU in your home PC?
Tiered pricing?? I don't think Sprint wants that because people will then jump to Verizon or T-Mobile. Both of those carriers still offer unlimited data. TMO might slow down your data speed, if you go over 5GB, but it's still all you can eat.
Sprint's justification for the $10 premium fee is to make a few extra bucks and to cover the cost of what they pay to Clearwire. Clearwire charges $5 per WiMax capable phone Sprint has on it's network. So Sprint had a choice.. Pass the charge along or eat it as part of doing business. Personally, being that Sprint advertises unlimited data, and they're not subsidizing their 4G phones like the other carriers are doing with their top end phones (Have you seen what the other Galaxy S variants sell for on TMO, ATT, VzW, etc?), I think they should have just eaten the $5 (What Clearwires charges them) and also renegotiate their contract with Clearwire to only pay them the fee where Clearwire has service.
Here's another thing. Unlike ATT, Sprint has excess capacity on it's existing EVDO network, so it's not really costing Sprint anything to offer unlimited data on it's 3G network. It just doesn't make sense for Sprint to offer tiered data.
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There is no justification without 4G. The reason is you've purchased the phone.... You own it and it's capabilities. It's connection to the internet is a separate issue.
Would you pay more for wired internet service because you have a better graphics card and faster CPU in your home PC?
Tiered pricing?? I don't think Sprint wants that because people will then jump to Verizon or T-Mobile. Both of those carriers still offer unlimited data. TMO might slow down your data speed, if you go over 5GB, but it's still all you can eat.
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Verizon plans to go tiered Data as well..as for T-mobile not sure yet..but it might end up all of them going Tiered data...such dumb lawsuit is only going to push them towards tiered data... mostly if Verizon and ATT go that route...
In the end the lawyer will be the only winner...these lawsuits last YEARS...
Sprint's justification for the $10 premium fee is to make a few extra bucks and to cover the cost of what they pay to Clearwire. Clearwire charges $5 per WiMax capable phone Sprint has on it's network. So Sprint had a choice.. Pass the charge along or eat it as part of doing business. Personally, being that Sprint advertises unlimited data, and they're not subsidizing their 4G phones like the other carriers are doing with their top end phones (Have you seen what the other Galaxy S variants sell for on TMO, ATT, VzW, etc?), I think they should have just eaten the $5 (What Clearwires charges them) and also renegotiate their contract with Clearwire to only pay them the fee where Clearwire has service.
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Actually if clearwire doesn't have service sprint doesn't pay them and takes money for themselves..thats what clearwire has been complaining about to sprint...
Here's another thing. Unlike ATT, Sprint has excess capacity on it's existing EVDO network, so it's not really costing Sprint anything to offer unlimited data on it's 3G network. It just doesn't make sense for Sprint to offer tiered data.
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The CEO of Sprint said for now he doesn't see a reason to go Tiered data but if the need arises they will..so take that as you will..
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Overall though the TP2 went for 350$ on sprint...now phones are 200$-250$ top tiered..I say that about covers most of the $10 fee
but what you fail to understand is it is called "premium data":
this includes:
free sprint tv
sprint navigation
unlimited roaming
unlimited data (3g or 4g)
sprint is aware that by owning a 4g capable device (ie epic, evo, shift 4g) that this higher end devices have better capabilities and can actually use 3g faster and better than any other device.
they are also aware that through android (did you think about the fact that all 4g capable devices are android only) there are programs that will allow you to have connection to 3g/4g on your computer via wireless tether or wired tether for free. and instead of filtering out these units, placing caps, or throttling data after it hits a certian point...they give a 10$ fee. instead of going like the other wireless giants and tremendously increasing their rates or placing outrageous caps (seriously a 2 gig cap on the iphone plan att?). and it gives you the ability to connect to 4g whenever you go to a place that has 4g.
so is the charge unfair? i think not.
but then again, this is america, where we can ***** and moan about a hot cup of coffee and make a billion in a law suit.
i honestly believe if you dont like the premium data is "unfair" go to att or verison. seriously, ***** and moan about not getting froyo or something that really matters.
diego1985 said:
Old news, but sprint data is cheaper than everyone else anyway.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868877&highlight=lawsuit
Sprint played this dumb from the get go, it's their fault. Dan Hesse said there wouldn't be a 4G fee of any kind. Since they did indeed have to charge a 4G fee, they tried to play customers dumb by saying it's a premium data fee because it consumes more data. True, but then why don't phones like Transform, Hero, Pre and other smartphones get the fee, because I don't see them consuming any less data just because they don't have 4G.
But quite frankly, I think anyone who participates in this lawsuit is dumb and should be banned from signing contracts.
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You are assuming the 10 dollars is for 4G. I've always thought it was for more or less having a next generational phone. Both the evo/epic encourage people to use data in ways none of the other devices do. Because of the specs, everything is faster, web browsing, multtasking, gaming - even if you are on 3G.
Sprint realized that giving an unlimited buffet to a blackberry user is much different than giving an unlimited buffet to someone using these phones.
It would be interesting if sprint ends up having to release some of this data to explain the fee. Those 1tb montly users may come in handy at that time.
Even with the fee, sprint has one of the cheapest and best data plans around.
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I swear something is wrong with you,what specs?Should a gas station charge you more for regular gas if yo driving bmw instead of honda?Should Audi charge you $100 for "awesomness" of the car that you already paid in full for?
Phones get faster every two months,its only right that they get better specs.Yo dont see Vibrant/Fascinate/Captivate charge 10 dollars for their Cpu being able to process data faster?Epic is the same phone as Vibrant.
When I bought my Epic reps said that extra 10 was for a 4G service that was coming in october,but now when I ask them they say "its for Epics awesomoness and fast CPU",so which one is it sprint?
Charging me for fast CPU that I own,lol,sht is beyond ridiculous.
Remember one thing that Pentium 1,2,3,4(with same eathernet card" and beyond all download data at same speed speed and same thing applies for cell phoned.Do Time Warner charge you extra 10 dollars because you have the latest $10000 computer?No.Just to expain this to all you people that dont know no better or falling for sprints bs.
Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.
All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=21
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Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.
All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.
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I really think Clear's lawsuit against Sprint for the $10 fee is what forced Sprints hand here. I can't say I think its a terrible decision as was previously stated, their prices are still cheaper then other carriers.
Now I just have to work stuff out to get my wife to switch to my old Hero before 1/30 so we don't get charged $10/month more.
Pretty much telling me that they expect all their future smartphones to be 4G.
Oh, and you say it's not a 4G free, you're sorta right. Sadly it's the exact same "Clearwire" fee that Sprint pays them for every handset sold with 4G capability. Sprint is just passing that fee along to the customer.
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Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.
All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.
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*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
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So then what is the other $10 for? If I already pay for unlimited data why am I paying another fee for the same thing. Does anyone watch the office? Remember the episodes where Michael starts his own paper company and when things start to go south he starts calling customers asking them to pay more for services already delivered? Ya, they don't react so well. This is exactly the same. I signed up for a service and agreed to certain charges. I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.
Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.
Finally, to return to my first analogy: Sprint is the Michael Scott paper company. They hitched their proverbial wagon to Clear who, now now facing a trademark lawsuit from Sony Ericcson, is facing even more fiscal crisis and are having to beg their customers for more money. Its pathetic and completely immoral. Just as I willingly accept that I made a bad decision signing a contract with Sprint they need to suck it up and admit they f***ed up when signing with Clear rather than taking it out on their customers.
I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
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*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has
Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.
I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
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You can get the $109.99 plan for Employee Preferred which has 1500 landline minutes, so that you're paying $129 for 2 -4g devices. If you really are that unhappy - just pay the $70-80 ETF and move on.
Enjoy T-Mobile.
BS plain and simple,wtf are they thinking...
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anyone read the press release? they keep mentioning things like "unlimited text while on sprints network" and the other carriers it says "unlimited" ... they changing their roaming policy?
i know it's been something like more then 50% usage while roaming they can close your account or at least restrict it.
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So then what is the other $10 for?
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If you read the (not-so) fine print, normal "unlimited" data is capped at 5GB/mo. It has been like that for forever and a day. Every other carrier was like that. The extra $10 REMOVES that cap and allows you to go over that 5GB/mo without incurring extra charges. You aren't going to get real unlimited data from T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T as they all have caps and do not offer uncapped data for a meager $10 extra. Your analogy fails because they are adding to an existing service and giving you more for your money. They're removing the cap and allowing you to consume as much data as you can not charging you extra for what you're already getting.
If you were lied to by your Sprint rep, that's your fault. It is your duty as a responsible consumer to at least look at the terms and conditions of the contracts that you sign into as well as do research. If you don't then you cannot claim ignorance as a justifiable excuse for being shafted.
"Unlimited" in the mobile world has always meant capped, whether you saw that cap or not. The premium data charge removes the cap. That's not hard to understand and you can whine and complain all you like but you'll still be wrong.
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anyone read the press release? they keep mentioning things like "unlimited text while on sprints network" and the other carriers it says "unlimited" ... they changing their roaming policy?
i know it's been something like more then 50% usage while roaming they can close your account or at least restrict it.
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That's because if you're roaming they can't guarantee delivery of your messages but on theirs they can. They can't speak for other carriers.
kenvan19 said:
*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has
So then what is the other $10 for? If I already pay for unlimited data why am I paying another fee for the same thing. Does anyone watch the office? Remember the episodes where Michael starts his own paper company and when things start to go south he starts calling customers asking them to pay more for services already delivered? Ya, they don't react so well. This is exactly the same. I signed up for a service and agreed to certain charges. I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.
Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.
Finally, to return to my first analogy: Sprint is the Michael Scott paper company. They hitched their proverbial wagon to Clear who, now now facing a trademark lawsuit from Sony Ericcson, is facing even more fiscal crisis and are having to beg their customers for more money. Its pathetic and completely immoral. Just as I willingly accept that I made a bad decision signing a contract with Sprint they need to suck it up and admit they f***ed up when signing with Clear rather than taking it out on their customers.
I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
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I agree 100%, why should i have to pay $10/line more for unlimited data when my plan already states unlimited data. The only consolation is that it won't affect only 4g phones anymore.
Your unlimited data isn't unlimited and never has been. There's always been a 5GB cap. Learn to read.
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Your unlimited data isn't unlimited and never has been. There's always been a 5GB cap. Learn to read.
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Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.
This plan includes
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
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Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.
This plan includes
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
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Its in the fine print of the sprint rate plan guide...go pick one up and read it. While you're at it go pick up rate plan guides from every other national carrier and you'll find the same thing. You are wrong. If you're not happy then go get Metro PCS, or T-Maybe....
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I can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked in by another one of these threads.
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I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.
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If you were lied to by your Sprint rep, that's your fault. It is your duty as a responsible consumer to at least look at the terms and conditions of the contracts that you sign into as well as do research. If you don't then you cannot claim ignorance as a justifiable excuse for being shafted.
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First of all, I took responsibility for taking my Sprint Reps word. I actually did my research though. There is 4g Coverage from Seattle to Tacoma north of me and Portland South of me. I live in the capitol of Washington. Why wouldn't 4G come here? I looked all over for a 'roadmap' of releases of 4G but I could never find one so when a Sprint Rep told me that he knew for a fact that 4G coverage would be in my area within a 2 months, I bought it.
I read every contract I sign and I regularly question the other parties on the terms, I know that there is a "cap" on the data. I also know that the 4G fee gets you unlimited 4G (or it did until this comes into effect). There is nothing justified here, its just corporate games to make up for money they lost.
If you read the (not-so) fine print, normal "unlimited" data is capped at 5GB/mo. It has been like that for forever and a day. Every other carrier was like that. The extra $10 REMOVES that cap and allows you to go over that 5GB/mo without incurring extra charges. You aren't going to get real unlimited data from T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T as they all have caps and do not offer uncapped data for a meager $10 extra. Your analogy fails because they are adding to an existing service and giving you more for your money. They're removing the cap and allowing you to consume as much data as you can not charging you extra for what you're already getting.
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Actually, you're wrong. It depends on how you get your contract. I know a lot of people with completely unlimited data on AT&T.
If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle.
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The above is quoted directly from tmobile's terms and conditions. May reduce data speed. That means I can continue to use data over 5gb but they might decide to throttle it a bit. That's better in my opinion given that I rarely use even close to that much even with two android smartphones on my plan than having to pay twice for "unlimited data" on Sprint.
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Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.
This plan includes
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
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Here's some new and old articles mentioning the data cap on "unlimited" plans:
http://mobile.engadget.com/2008/05/19/sprint-falls-in-line-caps-unlimited-data-at-5gb/
http://gizmodo.com/393647/the-fineish-print-on-sprints-5gb-data-cap
http://blog.connectedplanetonline.c...r-behavior-on-3g-so-sprint-shuns-them-for-4g/
Here's a Google search so you can prove yourself wrong:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sprint+5gb+data+cap
kenvan19 said:
Actually, you're wrong. It depends on how you get your contract. I know a lot of people with completely unlimited data on AT&T.
The above is quoted directly from tmobile's terms and conditions. May reduce data speed. That means I can continue to use data over 5gb but they might decide to throttle it a bit. That's better in my opinion given that I rarely use even close to that much even with two android smartphones on my plan than having to pay twice for "unlimited data" on Sprint.
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Those on AT&T were grand-fathered in and will lose their unlimited plans eventually. You cannot currently get that plan anymore.
T-Mobile's data throttling is more than "a bit" from the experience of my friends. The throttling makes it as fast as 2G/EDGE.
The unlimited 4G is true and it also applies to 3G for those with 4G devices not capable or just not using 4G.
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Those on AT&T were grand-fathered in and will lose their unlimited plans eventually. You cannot currently get that plan anymore.
T-Mobile's data throttling is more than "a bit" from the experience of my friends. The throttling makes it as fast as 2G/EDGE.
The unlimited 4G is true and it also applies to 3G for those with 4G devices not capable or just not using 4G.
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I know very well they were grandfathered in and I know that no one can get that plan (its the reason those people are not leaving AT&T despite hating their service). As I stated, I have never gone over my data cap on sprint so I have no fear of my speeds being throttled after that limit.
Finally, the unlimited 4g is not currently applied to 3G and if they do plan to apply it to all data as this would imply:
Instead of limits and overage charges on data plans for wireless phones as competitors have done, Sprint is applying its $10 Premium Data add-on charge to all smartphone activations beginning Jan. 30, 2011.
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(I say would imply because they do not directly state that they are lifting the cap that currently exists just that it is doing differently than competitors which by your own links is not true) then will they refund any overages incurred by people like me who have been paying said fee for months? Personally, I've never gone over but if this is the case the 'just' thing to do would be to refund those charges.
You're not entitled to a refund.
cosine83 said:
That's because if you're roaming they can't guarantee delivery of your messages but on theirs they can. They can't speak for other carriers.
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oooh ok. gotchya'
thanks
kenvan19 said:
Finally, the unlimited 4g is not currently applied to 3G and if they do plan to apply it to all data as this would imply then will they refund any overages incurred by people like me who have been paying said fee for months? Personally, I've never gone over but if this is the case the 'just' thing to do would be to refund those charges.
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cosine83 said:
You're not entitled to a refund.
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Do you even read before posting? I clearly said I've never gone over and therefore you are absolutely I am in no way entitled to a refund. However, given how they are changing the scope of the charges that they've already been applying to accounts for months it would be the just and moral thing to do to refund any overages customers who have been paying the fee for unlimited data but have been charged overages for 3G data may have incurred.
If a mod feels like they need to move this its fine. But I figured I would make a new thread since we have a bunch of threads already about the end of unlimited data.
After I called verizon and spoke to a CSR, and after they got more information about what is going on basically once the "data share" plans are launched regardless of you being on a single line or family share plan with unlimited data if you upgrade your phone after the "data share" plans are launched and you upgrade your phone you will HAVE to choose a capped data plan.
But if you can afford to pay full price for your upgrade (or trade for a new phone in the marketplace on xda) you WILL NOT lose your unlimited data.
Basically its a fight from verizon from them losing money on subsidies they have to pay to smartphone companies. And it will stop the people who use 20gbs+ a month and stress the towers.
Heres a link that explains it;
http://www.mobileburn.com/19622/new...pcoming-policy-change-on-unlimited-data-plans
ronartest2005 said:
Basically its a fight from verizon from them losing money on subsidies they have to pay to smartphone companies.
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This is BS. Data usage has nothing to do with subsidising smart phones. Even when their plan goes into effect you would have to be brain dead to pay an extra $500 every two years on top of your rate plan for the privilege of getting unlimited data.
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And it will stop the people who use 20gbs+ a month and stress the towers.
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This is BS. People on unlimited plans do NOT on average use more data than people on other plans. That is total nonsense and has been debunked numerous times. Is there the odd person who does use 20 gigs/month? Yeah sure. Is that why the network is stressed? No. There are simply not enough of those people out there to "stress" the network.
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This is BS. Data usage has nothing to do with subsidising smart phones. Even when their plan goes into effect you would have to be brain dead to pay an extra $500 every two years on top of your rate plan for the privilege of getting unlimited data.
This is BS. People on unlimited plans do NOT on average use more data than people on other plans. That is total nonsense and has been debunked numerous times. Is there the odd person who does use 20 gigs/month? Yeah sure. Is that why the network is stressed? No. There are simply not enough of those people out there to "stress" the network.
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I completely agree with you on both points, It's just verizons way of being able to keep a thumb on data users, and to get more money from them.
And as far as the towers go, I agree with you 100%. I seem to remember when the whole "4g coverage" thing first hit the news the big thing behind it was that you could have as many people as you wanted on a tower and it wouldn't bog down the tower enough to where it made your mobile data experience un-usable because of low speeds.
But this is just verizons way of making more money. Hell read about what they've been doing...ALL of their CEO's have gotten HUGE raises/bonuses. All while they have been shipping jobs to india, and raising prices on us.
It sucks because verizon has been the best service provider I have ever had. But if things get much worse I could end up just going with a trac phone. And using my ipod touch on wifi.
I am 29 years old and I made it 26 years of my life without mobile data, so it would be an adjustment. But I would be fine after a week.
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I completely agree with you on both points, It's just verizons way of being able to keep a thumb on data users, and to get more money from them.
And as far as the towers go, I agree with you 100%. I seem to remember when the whole "4g coverage" thing first hit the news the big thing behind it was that you could have as many people as you wanted on a tower and it wouldn't bog down the tower enough to where it made your mobile data experience un-usable because of low speeds.
But this is just verizons way of making more money. Hell read about what they've been doing...ALL of their CEO's have gotten HUGE raises/bonuses. All while they have been shipping jobs to india, and raising prices on us.
It sucks because verizon has been the best service provider I have ever had. But if things get much worse I could end up just going with a trac phone. And using my ipod touch on wifi.
I am 29 years old and I made it 26 years of my life without mobile data, so it would be an adjustment. But I would be fine after a week.
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The problem is Verizon and at&t's stories sound so believable. I was shocked when I saw the report that unlimited users do not use on average more data. They just want to get people on fix rate plans so they can ding them a few times a year for $10 overage fees. Most of the time I don't see myself going over 3gb. But the unlimited plan on at&t costs the same as the 3gb plan for me. So why not go with unlimited?
Actually at&t's greed is what is causing them problems. First of all it forced everyone with smartphones to get a data plan. Now it's complaining because people are using data. at&t also stopped offering unlimited plans to non grandfathered people. at&t only offers two "cheap" plans. One is $20 for 300mb which is a total joke and then there is the $30 for 3gb plan. That's it. And if you go over on the 300mb plan they tack on an extra $20 to your bill! And you only get 300mb more. So they are basically trying to get everyone on the 3gb plan. Well there would be a lot of people that would be satisfied with a 1gb plan but guess what? They don't have it. So people get the 3gb plan. And now that they are paying for it they use it. Then at&t cries about data usage.