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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/atandt-makes-sweeping-changes-to-data-plans-iphone-tethering-comi/
http://gizmodo.com/5553418/att-just-killed-unlimited-wireless-data-and-screwed-everybody-in-the-process
those are the giz and engadget links.
basically they are getting rid of unlimited data and are charging you buy the megabyte/gigabyte. it's 15 a month for 200mb and 25 a month for 2gb. if you go over the 200mb limit on that plan it's another 15$ for 200mb that month. so that means for 1gb of use on that plan your paying 65$ for 1 gb on that plan. and if your on the 2gb plan it's 10$ for another 1gb. only good thing is if you use more than 200 you can switch to the higher priced plan and save some money, and it seems you can do this on a month to month basis.
there is a lot more stuff in the articles you guys should read. but honestly we shouldn't complain about the 10 dollars extra for the evo. for that ten dollars we get unlimited txt, unlimited data, and unlimited mobile to mobile. no other carrier can provide this. on other carries txting alone costs like an extra 20 a month for unlimited.
you know what i'll be happy to pay the 10 a month on the evo even though i live in miami without 4g. that 120 a year will just help get 4g out to everyone faster. we're lucky it's just ten. look at what other carriers are doing, we are really lucky.
good now more people will be coming to sprint lol
Nice! iPhone users will suck it up. haha that's funny new iPhone will users will love this
Haha this is sad. Happy i switched to flexpay
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i was going over my plan with a sprint rep the other day just to make sure i was ready for the evo and she told me that the unlimited mobile-to-mobile is ANY mobile, across any carrier! i had just assumed it was in-network mobiles.
thats freakin' AWESOME. way to go sprint
SilverStone641 said:
i was going over my plan with a sprint rep the other day just to make sure i was ready for the evo and she told me that the unlimited mobile-to-mobile is ANY mobile, across any carrier! i had just assumed it was in-network mobiles.
thats freakin' AWESOME. way to go sprint
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Yep, "Any mobile, any time." It's saved me so many minutes, and you get it long as you have an everything data plan.
Thank God I'm switching from AT&T. The new data plan prices are asanine. The point of getting an iPhone is to promote more web use. In life I learned that if you have too little of something you tend to need/use/want more. AT&T will make a killing off overage buckets.
Netflix is supposedly coming to the iPhone. Are you telling me that 200mb a month will suffice when streaming a movie. You will easily use that just watching ONE movie. You have to be a fool to even consider those plans an option.
To be honest, if it was not for Sprint's price, I would be with Verizon. So the extra $10 is not a super deal breaker... it is just annoying, but still maybe a bit cheaper then Verizon. I just hope that those extra $10 help install a bunch of
4G towers everywhere because I want to get my money's worth.
What annoys me is that I am supposed to get unlimited, but it was always known to have a soft cap at 5gb. So now I bet they will enforce it. Does my $10 make it truly unlimited in 4G AND 3G? I get no clear answer here. Because I KNOW that I will be on 3G more than 4G...
Also... I used to get free tethering in Sprint with my plan (I have a shared plan with my wife, 1500 mins, unlimited) Do I no longer get that? Do I have to pay the stupid $30/month for that? That is what annoys me.
Also what will happen when/if they go to 2.2? Will they disable the hotspot in Froyo?
As far as ATT is concerned... I just feel sorry for them, and for those that have to use them. Verizon makes a good point that your phone is only as good as your network, and theirs sucks. My buddy has to walk outside to send a text on his iphone. Many of the people I work with have Iphones that don't work well at all where we are. They would rather deal with THAT then give them up. I feel sorry for them to be that blinded. Have a phone that does not work at your place of work just to have an iphone... that is retarded.
$250/mo with AT&T or Less than $100/mo with Sprint. I could care less about the $10 premium for 4G considering how much I used to pay. I believe that these new plans will drive many people away.
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To be honest, if it was not for Sprint's price, I would be with Verizon. So the extra $10 is not a super deal breaker... it is just annoying, but still maybe a bit cheaper then Verizon. I just hope that those extra $10 help install a bunch of
4G towers everywhere because I want to get my money's worth.
What annoys me is that I am supposed to get unlimited, but it was always known to have a soft cap at 5gb. So now I bet they will enforce it. Does my $10 make it truly unlimited in 4G AND 3G? I get no clear answer here. Because I KNOW that I will be on 3G more than 4G...
Also... I used to get free tethering in Sprint with my plan (I have a shared plan with my wife, 1500 mins, unlimited) Do I no longer get that? Do I have to pay the stupid $30/month for that? That is what annoys me.
Also what will happen when/if they go to 2.2? Will they disable the hotspot in Froyo?
As far as ATT is concerned... I just feel sorry for them, and for those that have to use them. Verizon makes a good point that your phone is only as good as your network, and theirs sucks. My buddy has to walk outside to send a text on his iphone. Many of the people I work with have Iphones that don't work well at all where we are. They would rather deal with THAT then give them up. I feel sorry for them to be that blinded. Have a phone that does not work at your place of work just to have an iphone... that is retarded.
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never heard of a cap on sprint so don't know about that. and there are at least 5 different ways to tether on an android phone through either root or applications like pda-net. i think it's like 10 dollars and once you buy it you can tether all you want with the program. the 30.00 a month thing is for people who don't know about those type of things.
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Also... I used to get free tethering in Sprint with my plan (I have a shared plan with my wife, 1500 mins, unlimited) Do I no longer get that? Do I have to pay the stupid $30/month for that? That is what annoys me.
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If you tethered with Sprint for "free" you were stealing data.
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... that is retarded.
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that's offensive.
pididente said:
If you tethered with Sprint for "free" you were stealing data.
that's offensive.
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i always wondered why it was ok to talk about tethering hacks but not about warez / hacked apps... both should be considered stealing.
and i am so over this "anti-retarded" movement. i think it is retarded...
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Thank God I'm switching from AT&T. The new data plan prices are asanine. The point of getting an iPhone is to promote more web use. In life I learned that if you have too little of something you tend to need/use/want more. AT&T will make a killing off overage buckets.
Netflix is supposedly coming to the iPhone. Are you telling me that 200mb a month will suffice when streaming a movie. You will easily use that just watching ONE movie. You have to be a fool to even consider those plans an option.
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Keep in mind netflix on the ipad too, that runs on 3g as well and is restricted to the caps
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To be honest, if it was not for Sprint's price, I would be with Verizon. So the extra $10 is not a super deal breaker... it is just annoying, but still maybe a bit cheaper then Verizon. I just hope that those extra $10 help install a bunch of
4G towers everywhere because I want to get my money's worth.
What annoys me is that I am supposed to get unlimited, but it was always known to have a soft cap at 5gb. So now I bet they will enforce it. Does my $10 make it truly unlimited in 4G AND 3G? I get no clear answer here. Because I KNOW that I will be on 3G more than 4G...
Also... I used to get free tethering in Sprint with my plan (I have a shared plan with my wife, 1500 mins, unlimited) Do I no longer get that? Do I have to pay the stupid $30/month for that? That is what annoys me.
Also what will happen when/if they go to 2.2? Will they disable the hotspot in Froyo?
As far as ATT is concerned... I just feel sorry for them, and for those that have to use them. Verizon makes a good point that your phone is only as good as your network, and theirs sucks. My buddy has to walk outside to send a text on his iphone. Many of the people I work with have Iphones that don't work well at all where we are. They would rather deal with THAT then give them up. I feel sorry for them to be that blinded. Have a phone that does not work at your place of work just to have an iphone... that is retarded.
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the limits are:
3g = 5GB/month
4g = real unlimited
and yes sprint will disable tethering in froyo, they disabled gps in the sprint touch so only they could use it with their navigation app(which they charged for)
Yeah i seen the ATT price changes yesterday also. WTF are they thinking? Maybe the iPhone and it generated traffic is actually killing thier network after all. I would blow through 200mb in a day. I am a little over 5gb so far this month with VZW.
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i always wondered why it was ok to talk about tethering hacks but not about warez / hacked apps... both should be considered stealing.
and i am so over this "anti-retarded" movement. i think it is retarded...
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yeah but with tethering it's not like you don't have the ability built in and data is data regardless of device so you shouldn't have to pay so much for the option. 15 or 20 is "reasonable" 30 is a little much in my opinion. and with the new 10 dollars extra we get "truly unlimited data" 3g and 4g. i don't consider it stealing, i consider it circumventing an idiot tax but thats just me.
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...the 30.00 a month thing is for people who don't know about those type of things.
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People who don't know any better will get the $30 tethering package. However, being on XDA probably means that 98% of us know better. I am willing to bet that the following will work:
ROOT + Wi-Fi Tether app = Free Wi-Fi tethering.
actually some one has tried it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694047
this thread has stuff about wifi-tether etc.
Just because you can afford the extra $10 for whatever reason they give, does not negate the fact that its bogus. Changes are always incremental, so if you delay or prevent increases in fees, the less you pay in the long run. By letting any company do this without complaining, it makes it alright in their eyes and they will do it more often. Wouldn't you from a business standpoint?
Besides, Sprint has been bleeding postpaid customers for years, they should continue to bring in new people with the low plans and not tax the higher end users (cuz they know they will pay)
Just a thought I had today, but since the $10 fee did seem to come out of no where, but sometime after they said the 4G would be free at CITA, and since they haven't expressly said it was for the 4G data...
Perhaps, they knew the first batch of phones were going to have the screen problem, as well as other problems, but they found out after they had several thousand/hundred thousand made, thus knowing they were going to have to replace a hell of a lot of phones within a month or two and with this so-called "Prem Data Fee" they could regain some of the money for replacing all the early adopters phones.
I don't have the screen problem...yet, but I'm going to be exchanging mine because the speaker is half blown or something in the earpiece.
Any takers on the idea?
Doubt it, but it's definitely an excuse to pad their pockets a bit more, since Sprint has the lowest margins across all post-paid providers.
I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it) Honestly this 3g is really fast, faster than verizon and t-mobile thus far (speed test prove it). I get better signal is area that my verizon phone does, but that might because its a storm 2 ()
Interesting theory, but I think it's a bit far fetched. I truly think the $10 is for unrestricted data usage, which I am thoroughly enjoying.
I for one hope they plan to use the extra money to strengthen and expand the 4G coverage.
It is a little bit far-fetched, but you never know. Last minuet stuff always happens and companies might make drastic measures to compensate themselves.
It was just a thought, especially since they've never actually said the fee was for the data, it's for the phone experience, which directly links it to the phone, if you go by what they say the fee is for.
why is everybody obsessed with this fee
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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Strung you are boosting the IQ of the forum with answers like these
Lord knows we need all the help we can get since I'm on here bringing us down
Probably the same ideology as to why AT&T ditched the unlimited data plan right before or when the iPhone 4 was announced.
Sprint needs customers and since the EVO is going to be one major source of income and/or data usage...they probably decided to implement a fee for unlimited 3G/4G data usage while keeping the unlimited plan available. When you think of Sprint, you immediately think "SIMPLY UNLIMITED EVERYTHING!"
What I say or think really doesn't matter...the $10 fee is mandatory so there is no use in trying to fight it or be sneaky about trying to get out of paying it.
I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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But why? According to AT&T, a majority of its customers wouldn't even come close to the 2GB cap and do not need unlimited data
I was always under the assumption for the charge that you can hook the evo up to any computer via usb and use it for internet access.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it)...QUOTE]
That's exactly what Dan Hesse said the fee was for.
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Well, just an update...
The Sprint store said that my speaker was wacko for sure, and when I checked the other two phones we have tonight, both of their screens are raising up. What find strange is, mine got 10x the usage over the last week than the other two did and mine doesn't have the screen problem...yet.
Anyhow, I guess Sprint will be sending us 3 new phones.
i am rooted using wifi tether and i dont feel the least bit bad for it.. they are going to screw me for an extra 10 bucs a month im going to get my monies worth..... take that sprint.
I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
Thank goodness I don't pay it... well not really. 10$ off from the IO conference.
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I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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I got the phone for the hardware, and android. I want to go to T-Mobile for the HD2, but it lacks the 8mp camera, no WiFi tether, and WinMo, yuck. I understand the fee in 4g areas, but they can't justify the fee for any other area. Call/email them, they sound like idiots trying to explain why we're being charged $10. "Rich data experience" (3g network?), "1ghz processor", "YouTube hd", "android operating system" are all the reasons I have gotten. I can provide email proof. The fee is a scam, not premium data.
I have a feeling......
Though, this is definitely a much better route to follow then simply capping the data for these fools that want to test how "unlimited" unlimited really is... idiots.
http://www.talkandroid.com/17660-t-...ing-data-usage-over-5gb-beginning-october-16/
Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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For those of us with "premium data", I think 5GB is too low. I'm NOT looking for a "stupid fee" argument, nor am I complaining about it. I think of it like animal farm. We are just more equal than others.
I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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not limited; unrestricted; unconfined
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boundless; infinite; vast
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without any qualification or exception; unconditional
TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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DirtyShroomz said:
Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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DirtyShroomz does not understand this concept at ALL.
He thinks that it "costs money" when yes - it "costs money" but the reality of the situation is corporations want to make more money off the smart phone craze. You don't "buy" kilobytes and megabytes when companies like Sprint have their own ISP backbone. Essentially, it does not cost them anymore to have customers use the supplies they are providing - they just want to charge extra.
You're right - unlimited means unlimited.
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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The phone companies are the backbone of the internet. Sure they are not the only ones but there is a very good chance they are the ones who are getting paid when you use your local cable companies internet.
Of course they could always argue that bandwidth used by you is bandwidth that is not being sold to someone else, it just depends on which route is more profitable for them.
With these Changes Tmo is going to impose
would it be wrong for me to state we can use this to cancel our contract with a waived fee due to change in contract terms that weight against my current situation?
If so I need to cancel this line asap...
Sure, SOME people may "Abuse" the unlimited cap, but let's think about this....
If there are 100,000 subscribers paying $10 a month extra for the "Unlimited" usage, that's $1,000,000 that Sprint is taking in.
If 5,000 of those people use DOUBLE the 5Gb that Sprint thinks is "acceptable usage", and the other 95,000 use under the 5Gb per month, Sprint is STILL making a HUGE profit.
obviously, these are figurative numbers, as I have no idea how many people have Evo's and Epics being charged the $10 "Premium Fee".
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
Maybe they should just up the unlimited price to a higher amount. I myself wish I could pay a little bit less since I apparently never use even a gig. So sprint how about making tier plans for this. Thats the entire problem with unlimited usage plans, regular users pay the same amount as the heavy users. Oh well no need to worry people who complain about all these extra $10 for 4G premium still need to realize that as of right now Sprint does have one of the cheapest best overall value for what you are paying no?
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I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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I'm with you man, even with the $10 fee my plan is still at least $40 cheaper than anything comparable from AT&T, Verizon, or TMo. Factor in my 23% discount and there's no question.
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Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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Since when are Bluetooth transfers locked? In fact just yesterday I transferred a file from one EVO to another using bluetooth. I've done it many times between EVOs, between evo and blackberry, and between evo and palm devices with no problems.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
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The issue is when people say stuff like this;
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Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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without understanding what the issue is. Here’s the deal - the data is unlimited. As in absolutely and truly unlimited. This has nothing to do with the $10 fee either – the data is unlimited because of the Everything Data plans that the EVO requires. However, that data is only unlimited when you abide by the terms and conditions of the contract that you entered into when you started service. Among other things, this means that you get unlimited data as long as you’re on network, and if tethering, you’re paying the $29.99 fee for the hotspot feature. The term abuse comes into play because of all of the people who rooted to get free thethering, and use that to the extreme, either as their home internet, or just simply to see how much they can actually download in a month (as in 50-100+ GB/month). To go back to your analogy, all you can eat buffets are “all you can eat” as long as you follow the terms of the buffet – meaning you have to eat within the restaurant. They won’t allow you to back your truck up and load it with food from the buffet to take home.
And hey! Welcome back werx! I was wondering when you’d show up and start pointlessly calling people out again.
edit - and as a reminder, nobody has ever indicated that they were taking your unlimited data away. If the rates for unlimited data do change, or they decide to do away with it completely, that would apply to new customers sighning new contracts.
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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Companies want to make more money on overages. As these phones get more advanced you'll see more people using more data.
With faster speeds you're promoting more data traffic.
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Hey guys,
I work for sprint and from what i was told by our Sales Support people there is no cap on the evo or epic for data.
I know it is a sensitive topic, but I'm so frustrated with ATT, and was wondering if I could get any directions from you guys.
I bought for my wife new Aria (full price) so she can collaborate with me without using her brain. Few days after the change I realized att changed her unlimited data plan to tiered one. That move really pissed me off, and I had to switch her back to old nokia to preserve unlimited plan. I used to have an iphone with this plan (unlimited data for $15/month), and it looks like they are enforcing new, more expensive plans not only on new customers, but also on existing ones.
Enough said... I would like to get some hints on changing imei, so I get to keep my old plan...
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Not 100% sure but just swap the sim and it should work. ATT are assholes for doing away with unlimited data made the mistake of losing my unlimited data plan when the iPhone 4 was released thanks iphone!
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I upgraded to the aria And had the unlimited data plan transfered..if u just call customer service and tell them that u have been a loyal customer for a long time now and u should be able to keep the plan u have had..u should mention being grandfathered in, be polite and tell them if they can't help u then u might be looking at other carriers. U would be amazed at the things I have gotten for free or discounted by just calling and talking to customer service..if they say they can't do it ask to be transfered to to the person who can, u might be on the phone for a minute but u can get it done I promise u
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Post this same info on ATT's Facebook.
Same thing happened to me, I went from an iPhone to the Aria, and had the unlimited data removed, put a post on ATT's facebook, and within the day, I was talking to a guy who gave it back, credited my account, and gave me an additonal discount, to make my bill cheaper.
Interesting... if that's what they did to you then I may actually get somewhere. I just pulled the plug on one line to get G2 from tmo, and may threaten to close another line if they refuse to keep my plan...
If it comes to sim swap then it won't work with att branded phones. The only thing that may work (it worked with my old line) is to use unlock phone and ask them to update imei. They will mark your line as unlocked phone and never update your plan again. It worked for iphone...
Thx for your input.
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How much data do you actually use on your plan? I use my phone's data very regularly throughout the month and the most I've ever managed to use in a month was a gigabyte, making the $25 plan a cheaper solution than the $30 PDA Smartphone plan that preceded it.
I work in a retail position in which I handle AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile customers on a daily basis, and I have yet to meet anyone who uses more than 2GB a month, and some of these people use the phone as if they do not have a home internet service!
Thankfully AT&T has a very easy way of checking to see the monthly data usage you use, and even gives you a nice graph of the last six months of data usage, so you can decide for yourself what data plan is right for you.
"Unlimited" 3G data (w/ 5gb limit) for $30 on a smartphone is going the way of direct connect. Verizon will not be far behind with unveiling their new data plans and T-Mobile is talking about doing the same thing. I think once it is all said and done, we won't even see unlimited plans on 4G networks, especially once Sprint gets enough people back onto their service.
Just do the switch yourself. If you bought the phone full price you could have gotten it anywhere besides AT&T, swapped the SIM and been on the same plan. that's what i did coming from my Fuze. I just moved the SIM card to the new phone, and it worked flawlessly. kept my unlimited plan and everything.
as for data usage. When i had my Fuze i used maybe .5gig a month, but as soon as i got the Aria my usage spiked. I use consistently well over 2 gigs a month, breaking 4 gigs in August. I don't use it for tethering, i don't download huge video files, in fact i'm pretty tame with my phone usage. I'll be keeping my unlimited plan when i get a free upgrade in January.
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How much data do you actually use on your plan? I use my phone's data very regularly throughout the month and the most I've ever managed to use in a month was a gigabyte, making the $25 plan a cheaper solution than the $30 PDA Smartphone plan that preceded it.
I work in a retail position in which I handle AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile customers on a daily basis, and I have yet to meet anyone who uses more than 2GB a month, and some of these people use the phone as if they do not have a home internet service!
Thankfully AT&T has a very easy way of checking to see the monthly data usage you use, and even gives you a nice graph of the last six months of data usage, so you can decide for yourself what data plan is right for you.
"Unlimited" 3G data (w/ 5gb limit) for $30 on a smartphone is going the way of direct connect. Verizon will not be far behind with unveiling their new data plans and T-Mobile is talking about doing the same thing. I think once it is all said and done, we won't even see unlimited plans on 4G networks, especially once Sprint gets enough people back onto their service.
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You sound like att spokesperson addressing all dumbasses that purchased smartphone thinking it will make them look smarter. Your data usage statistics are off, and just because you ask your customers about their data usage, it doesn't mean it makes you right. I have observed the data usage by mobile devices in the enterprise I manage in the past 3 years. It seems people spend more time using internet driven apps when their experience improves. That pretty much means the faster mobile network becomes the more bandwidth is consumed. Another huge impact on data usage comes from pushed advertisement. People love free apps, but in order to support brightminded developers those apps have to display small banners. lets do quick math here... each banner is about 5KB. Popular apps rotate them in intervals of 10s, or display new ad whenever you go to new page. If your phone supports multitasking, for example new iphone, then if you don't close the app (for example weather app) it may actually keep rotating those ads in the background eating up your bandwidth. That's 5KB every 10s throughout billing cycle gives us total of about 1.3GB each month. That's based on single app that probably won't be running 24/7, but you may have few of such apps running at the same time, so this will definitely bring you close to that number.
Now, lets talk about 4G, and your assumption of all carriers going with tiered plans. I've been enjoying my G2 over HSPA+ so much. You tube videos are actually in visible quality now. Those very same videos over att 3g were just a joke, and waste of time. What do you think how much bandwidth those HQ videos consume? How about video calls? How about flash driven apps? Limiting users to tiered plans would mean blocking all those services, and worse it would bring technology development for mobile devices to a halt (at least in US).
Mobile carriers are facing very hard times. There is more bandwidth demand than they estimated. ATT for example chose greed, and decided to oversubscribe their infrastructure hoping iphone will save them. Verizon however, invested in their network to ensure they can handle the growth. They all should be thankful to Apple for stealing the name "smartphone", and introducing it to masses in the form of a dumbphone. That move changed the industry, and right now we're all paying for it through higher cost, development by spending more time rooting devices than coding new apps, and reliability. I love my mac, but I hate Jobs for the iphone so much...
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Just do the switch yourself. If you bought the phone full price you could have gotten it anywhere besides AT&T, swapped the SIM and been on the same plan. that's what i did coming from my Fuze. I just moved the SIM card to the new phone, and it worked flawlessly. kept my unlimited plan and everything.
as for data usage. When i had my Fuze i used maybe .5gig a month, but as soon as i got the Aria my usage spiked. I use consistently well over 2 gigs a month, breaking 4 gigs in August. I don't use it for tethering, i don't download huge video files, in fact i'm pretty tame with my phone usage. I'll be keeping my unlimited plan when i get a free upgrade in January.
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Aria is the only woman friendly (small) android phone that supports att 3G. I paid for it $300 (new). Legacy, which seems to be pretty much same phone is $200 more, and doesn't support att 3g frequencies. It looks like att is getting better in cat/mouse game. I may just have to threaten to leave, to get something done...
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any android phone is concidered by att as smartphone, and they require smartphone plan with it. My wife previously had unlocked nokia, so they did not know what kind of phone it was, and allowed regular $15/month unlimited data plan. Once you put your sim into device that they have in their database they enforce on you smartphone plan that's currently available. If her previous plan was unlimited data for smartphone ($25/month), then I agree, she would be able to keep it.
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any android phone is concidered by att as smartphone, and they require smartphone plan with it. My wife previously had unlocked nokia, so they did not know what kind of phone it was, and allowed regular $15/month unlimited data plan. Once you put your sim into device that they have in their database they enforce on you smartphone plan that's currently available. If her previous plan was unlimited data for smartphone ($25/month), then I agree, she would be able to keep it.
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didn't realize you came from a non-smartphone. I came from a Fuze (touch pro), so i was already on the $30 unlimited smartphone plan. I made the phone switch right after they announced the end of unlimited plans, and just swapped the phone on my own. Their system caught it, changed my profile on AT&T's site, but did nothing to the plan. I still have the unlimited plan, and will be keeping it as i foresee my usage staying hight.
Do what i did.
Change the sim into a dumb phone and turn it on, wait about an hour, then log into your account online. The options for the medianet packages will reappear. Remove the smartphone data plans then enable the medianet plan for unlimited data. After switch the sim back to the smart phone, if you get a text or email saying they detected your smartphone just call them up and tell them you do not have a smartphone and give them the IMEI number of the dumb phone and have them remove the data and restore the medianet.
I know its a bit much to lie to them but it is robery that pay as you go data is $2 per 1MB, $15 for 200MB and $25 for 2GB when the service sucks inside any building in lower Manhattan.
joshua54 said:
I upgraded to the aria And had the unlimited data plan transfered..if u just call customer service and tell them that u have been a loyal customer for a long time now and u should be able to keep the plan u have had..u should mention being grandfathered in, be polite and tell them if they can't help u then u might be looking at other carriers. U would be amazed at the things I have gotten for free or discounted by just calling and talking to customer service..if they say they can't do it ask to be transfered to to the person who can, u might be on the phone for a minute but u can get it done I promise u
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this is what i did.
I called cancellation dept, and they still refused to roll my old plan back
Going back to my initial request... Any hints on changing imei?
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Is it doable at all?
I don't want to waste anymore time on it. Can some of the bright ones just tell me, if imei on this phone is "burned-in" or is it changeable via software?
Thanks
So... I've done more research, and seems people are saying it is illegal to change imei... Illegal???? I think, if changing/spoofing for criminal activities then it is illegal. Carriers clearly abuse that id to rip more money from people. Where is the government to protect us? I wouldn’t mind, if there was an alternative, but there is none. How come I pay full price for the smartphone, and can’t deny data plan? I want to roam through local hot spots offered for free by my cable provider to sync phone instead of X fuc…ing G!!!! I think it is time for people to start filing complaints with FCC...
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I don't want to waste anymore time on it. Can some of the bright ones just tell me, if imei on this phone is "burned-in" or is it changeable via software?
Thanks
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First off AT&T can see immediately when you switch, and to what phone you are using, as well as the kind of traffic, to categorize your phone... so spoofing an IMEI won't get you anywhere - the bandwidth usage from a regular phone vs a smartphone is miles apart.
Second and more importantly Unlimited data for smartphones ($30) vs unlimited data for a regular phone ($15) are two completely different plans. Your old nokia was clearly not a smartphone if you were paying $15 for unlimited data.
I had a blackberry 9700 and went to an Aria, smartphone to smartphone. They let me keep my same smartphone unlimited data plan.
Bottom line you can't switch from a regular phone unlimited data to a smartphone unlimited data plan and keep the same plan.
You're SOL.
Your best bet is to talk to a manager in a retail store - as they are the only people who can work miracles. AT&T grants them special privileges, like allowing you to "early upgrade" (essentially re-start your contract) for a fee + regular advertised phone prices (way cheaper then a new phone at full retail price), and then allowing you to spend that "fee" as a credit on retail store accessories.
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First off AT&T can see immediately when you switch, and to what phone you are using, as well as the kind of traffic, to categorize your phone... so spoofing an IMEI won't get you anywhere - the bandwidth usage from a regular phone vs a smartphone is miles apart.
Second and more importantly Unlimited data for smartphones ($30) vs unlimited data for a regular phone ($15) are two completely different plans. Your old nokia was clearly not a smartphone if you were paying $15 for unlimited data.
I had a blackberry 9700 and went to an Aria, smartphone to smartphone. They let me keep my same smartphone unlimited data plan.
Bottom line you can't switch from a regular phone unlimited data to a smartphone unlimited data plan and keep the same plan.
You're SOL.
Your best bet is to talk to a manager in a retail store - as they are the only people who can work miracles. AT&T grants them special privileges, like allowing you to "early upgrade" (essentially re-start your contract) for a fee + regular advertised phone prices (way cheaper then a new phone at full retail price), and then allowing you to spend that "fee" as a credit on retail store accessories.
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I'm afraid you're wrong, and this is why. I've had iphone 3gs on unlimited data plan ($15/month) for over a year. Before that I had Nokia N95 (which is still much smarter than iphone 4) on the same plan also for about a year.
You're saying they monitor bandwidth usage... How come they never picked up on my international SIP calls, and radio streaming? and yes, spoofing will get me somewhere. ATT holds only imeis from att branded/approved phones. If my imei is not found they assume it is simple multimedia phone. How do I know that? I talked to cancellation dept manager two days ago, and was ensured I will get my plan back once my imei doesn't match any of those from att smartphone lineup.
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Bottom line you can't switch from a regular phone unlimited data to a smartphone unlimited data plan and keep the same plan.
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So what you are telling me is that basically, you want people on here to help you do something which is admittedly illegal in many counties, so your new smart phone appears as a multimedia phone and you can pay less and keep your unlimited data plan.
*scratches head*
edit: you would have been better off just getting an Aria for free with a 2yr contract and then paying for a 2G plan.
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So what you are telling me is that basically, you want people on here to help you do something which is admittedly illegal in many counties, so your new smart phone appears as a multimedia phone and you can pay less and keep your unlimited data plan.
*scratches head*
edit: you would have been better off just getting an Aria for free with a 2yr contract and then paying for a 2G plan.
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Well, not exactly. I've had that plan since gen 1 iphone, which was running on Edge, and three months later I switched to n95 3g. Basically I'm trying to retain my old data plan, and that's because I have not received any special treatment, or services in order to pay more... If they rolled out LTE, and use that for justification then I would agree.
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edit: you would have been better off just getting an Aria for free with a 2yr contract and then paying for a 2G plan.
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Better off????? 2 year contract means locked in with old technology. Those contracts don't do any good to people. By signing, you let att screw you any way they want. You can't walk away, or negotiate. If I wasn't tied up with the contract when att announced new plans, then I would switch to verizon long time ago... If you are real smartphone user then you better off buying unlocked phone, and use it the way it was designed to use without extra fees (tethering $60 ), but if you are one of those guys thinking "smartphone will make me look smarter", then your best bet is to buy discounted phone with the contract.
Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.
All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=21
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Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.
All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.
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I really think Clear's lawsuit against Sprint for the $10 fee is what forced Sprints hand here. I can't say I think its a terrible decision as was previously stated, their prices are still cheaper then other carriers.
Now I just have to work stuff out to get my wife to switch to my old Hero before 1/30 so we don't get charged $10/month more.
Pretty much telling me that they expect all their future smartphones to be 4G.
Oh, and you say it's not a 4G free, you're sorta right. Sadly it's the exact same "Clearwire" fee that Sprint pays them for every handset sold with 4G capability. Sprint is just passing that fee along to the customer.
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Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.
All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=21
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*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
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So then what is the other $10 for? If I already pay for unlimited data why am I paying another fee for the same thing. Does anyone watch the office? Remember the episodes where Michael starts his own paper company and when things start to go south he starts calling customers asking them to pay more for services already delivered? Ya, they don't react so well. This is exactly the same. I signed up for a service and agreed to certain charges. I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.
Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.
Finally, to return to my first analogy: Sprint is the Michael Scott paper company. They hitched their proverbial wagon to Clear who, now now facing a trademark lawsuit from Sony Ericcson, is facing even more fiscal crisis and are having to beg their customers for more money. Its pathetic and completely immoral. Just as I willingly accept that I made a bad decision signing a contract with Sprint they need to suck it up and admit they f***ed up when signing with Clear rather than taking it out on their customers.
I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
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*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has
Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.
I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
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You can get the $109.99 plan for Employee Preferred which has 1500 landline minutes, so that you're paying $129 for 2 -4g devices. If you really are that unhappy - just pay the $70-80 ETF and move on.
Enjoy T-Mobile.
BS plain and simple,wtf are they thinking...
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anyone read the press release? they keep mentioning things like "unlimited text while on sprints network" and the other carriers it says "unlimited" ... they changing their roaming policy?
i know it's been something like more then 50% usage while roaming they can close your account or at least restrict it.
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So then what is the other $10 for?
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If you read the (not-so) fine print, normal "unlimited" data is capped at 5GB/mo. It has been like that for forever and a day. Every other carrier was like that. The extra $10 REMOVES that cap and allows you to go over that 5GB/mo without incurring extra charges. You aren't going to get real unlimited data from T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T as they all have caps and do not offer uncapped data for a meager $10 extra. Your analogy fails because they are adding to an existing service and giving you more for your money. They're removing the cap and allowing you to consume as much data as you can not charging you extra for what you're already getting.
If you were lied to by your Sprint rep, that's your fault. It is your duty as a responsible consumer to at least look at the terms and conditions of the contracts that you sign into as well as do research. If you don't then you cannot claim ignorance as a justifiable excuse for being shafted.
"Unlimited" in the mobile world has always meant capped, whether you saw that cap or not. The premium data charge removes the cap. That's not hard to understand and you can whine and complain all you like but you'll still be wrong.
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anyone read the press release? they keep mentioning things like "unlimited text while on sprints network" and the other carriers it says "unlimited" ... they changing their roaming policy?
i know it's been something like more then 50% usage while roaming they can close your account or at least restrict it.
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That's because if you're roaming they can't guarantee delivery of your messages but on theirs they can. They can't speak for other carriers.
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*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has
So then what is the other $10 for? If I already pay for unlimited data why am I paying another fee for the same thing. Does anyone watch the office? Remember the episodes where Michael starts his own paper company and when things start to go south he starts calling customers asking them to pay more for services already delivered? Ya, they don't react so well. This is exactly the same. I signed up for a service and agreed to certain charges. I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.
Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.
Finally, to return to my first analogy: Sprint is the Michael Scott paper company. They hitched their proverbial wagon to Clear who, now now facing a trademark lawsuit from Sony Ericcson, is facing even more fiscal crisis and are having to beg their customers for more money. Its pathetic and completely immoral. Just as I willingly accept that I made a bad decision signing a contract with Sprint they need to suck it up and admit they f***ed up when signing with Clear rather than taking it out on their customers.
I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
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I agree 100%, why should i have to pay $10/line more for unlimited data when my plan already states unlimited data. The only consolation is that it won't affect only 4g phones anymore.
Your unlimited data isn't unlimited and never has been. There's always been a 5GB cap. Learn to read.
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Your unlimited data isn't unlimited and never has been. There's always been a 5GB cap. Learn to read.
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Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.
This plan includes
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
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Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.
This plan includes
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
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Its in the fine print of the sprint rate plan guide...go pick one up and read it. While you're at it go pick up rate plan guides from every other national carrier and you'll find the same thing. You are wrong. If you're not happy then go get Metro PCS, or T-Maybe....
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I can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked in by another one of these threads.
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I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.
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If you were lied to by your Sprint rep, that's your fault. It is your duty as a responsible consumer to at least look at the terms and conditions of the contracts that you sign into as well as do research. If you don't then you cannot claim ignorance as a justifiable excuse for being shafted.
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First of all, I took responsibility for taking my Sprint Reps word. I actually did my research though. There is 4g Coverage from Seattle to Tacoma north of me and Portland South of me. I live in the capitol of Washington. Why wouldn't 4G come here? I looked all over for a 'roadmap' of releases of 4G but I could never find one so when a Sprint Rep told me that he knew for a fact that 4G coverage would be in my area within a 2 months, I bought it.
I read every contract I sign and I regularly question the other parties on the terms, I know that there is a "cap" on the data. I also know that the 4G fee gets you unlimited 4G (or it did until this comes into effect). There is nothing justified here, its just corporate games to make up for money they lost.
If you read the (not-so) fine print, normal "unlimited" data is capped at 5GB/mo. It has been like that for forever and a day. Every other carrier was like that. The extra $10 REMOVES that cap and allows you to go over that 5GB/mo without incurring extra charges. You aren't going to get real unlimited data from T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T as they all have caps and do not offer uncapped data for a meager $10 extra. Your analogy fails because they are adding to an existing service and giving you more for your money. They're removing the cap and allowing you to consume as much data as you can not charging you extra for what you're already getting.
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Actually, you're wrong. It depends on how you get your contract. I know a lot of people with completely unlimited data on AT&T.
If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle.
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The above is quoted directly from tmobile's terms and conditions. May reduce data speed. That means I can continue to use data over 5gb but they might decide to throttle it a bit. That's better in my opinion given that I rarely use even close to that much even with two android smartphones on my plan than having to pay twice for "unlimited data" on Sprint.
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Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.
This plan includes
Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM
How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
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Here's some new and old articles mentioning the data cap on "unlimited" plans:
http://mobile.engadget.com/2008/05/19/sprint-falls-in-line-caps-unlimited-data-at-5gb/
http://gizmodo.com/393647/the-fineish-print-on-sprints-5gb-data-cap
http://blog.connectedplanetonline.c...r-behavior-on-3g-so-sprint-shuns-them-for-4g/
Here's a Google search so you can prove yourself wrong:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sprint+5gb+data+cap
kenvan19 said:
Actually, you're wrong. It depends on how you get your contract. I know a lot of people with completely unlimited data on AT&T.
The above is quoted directly from tmobile's terms and conditions. May reduce data speed. That means I can continue to use data over 5gb but they might decide to throttle it a bit. That's better in my opinion given that I rarely use even close to that much even with two android smartphones on my plan than having to pay twice for "unlimited data" on Sprint.
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Those on AT&T were grand-fathered in and will lose their unlimited plans eventually. You cannot currently get that plan anymore.
T-Mobile's data throttling is more than "a bit" from the experience of my friends. The throttling makes it as fast as 2G/EDGE.
The unlimited 4G is true and it also applies to 3G for those with 4G devices not capable or just not using 4G.
cosine83 said:
Those on AT&T were grand-fathered in and will lose their unlimited plans eventually. You cannot currently get that plan anymore.
T-Mobile's data throttling is more than "a bit" from the experience of my friends. The throttling makes it as fast as 2G/EDGE.
The unlimited 4G is true and it also applies to 3G for those with 4G devices not capable or just not using 4G.
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I know very well they were grandfathered in and I know that no one can get that plan (its the reason those people are not leaving AT&T despite hating their service). As I stated, I have never gone over my data cap on sprint so I have no fear of my speeds being throttled after that limit.
Finally, the unlimited 4g is not currently applied to 3G and if they do plan to apply it to all data as this would imply:
Instead of limits and overage charges on data plans for wireless phones as competitors have done, Sprint is applying its $10 Premium Data add-on charge to all smartphone activations beginning Jan. 30, 2011.
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(I say would imply because they do not directly state that they are lifting the cap that currently exists just that it is doing differently than competitors which by your own links is not true) then will they refund any overages incurred by people like me who have been paying said fee for months? Personally, I've never gone over but if this is the case the 'just' thing to do would be to refund those charges.
You're not entitled to a refund.
cosine83 said:
That's because if you're roaming they can't guarantee delivery of your messages but on theirs they can. They can't speak for other carriers.
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oooh ok. gotchya'
thanks
kenvan19 said:
Finally, the unlimited 4g is not currently applied to 3G and if they do plan to apply it to all data as this would imply then will they refund any overages incurred by people like me who have been paying said fee for months? Personally, I've never gone over but if this is the case the 'just' thing to do would be to refund those charges.
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cosine83 said:
You're not entitled to a refund.
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Do you even read before posting? I clearly said I've never gone over and therefore you are absolutely I am in no way entitled to a refund. However, given how they are changing the scope of the charges that they've already been applying to accounts for months it would be the just and moral thing to do to refund any overages customers who have been paying the fee for unlimited data but have been charged overages for 3G data may have incurred.